Ruger super blackhawk

[beppe]

ciao ragazzi ! ho comprato un ruger super blackhawk in 44 magnum con canna da 7.5 pollici,quale boolits mi consigliate ?

INGLESE
hello guys! I bought a ruger super blackhawk in 44 magnum with 7.5 inch barrel, which boolits do you recommend?
Thanks for the info !!!:guntootsmiley:

[a.squibload]

Lead ones!
:-P
Seriously, almost every bullet style I have tried in 44 has worked molto benni
(hey I speak Italian, only those two words...)
Try medium speed first, big boolit still slams into the target.
240 grain semi-wadcutter style is the classic.
You should try any mold you can get your hands on. Look in the "swappin & sellin"
section, there should be some available. Several mold-makers here make really good molds.
I read here that Lee has a new 200 grain mold for 44, I want to try that one too.

[GaryN]

Mine really likes the Lyman 429421. But I slugged the bore and the cylinder. The bore was .431. I sized the slugs at .431. They seem to shoot good with a wide variety of powders. I also had to have the mold opened up. It was casting at .428.

[44man]

310 gr Lee or 265 RD. Felix lube, 21.5 gr of 296 with Lee, 22 gr with RD, standard primer. Light boolits/bullets do not shoot good, stay at 240 and up. 429421 was a good boolit long ago but I prefer a WLN or RNFP today. I do not like the shoulder on a semi wad cutter.

[Thumbcocker]

Any of the above boolits. One plus for the 429421 is, in my experience, it will stabilize and shoot well over a wide range of power and velocity levels.

[leftiye]

429244, you bet yer sweet bippy!

[44man]

Any of the above boolits. One plus for the 429421 is, in my experience, it will stabilize and shoot well over a wide range of power and velocity levels.
No! need proper spin, heavy can not be shot slow. But a 240 can. And a Unique load will work with a lighter boolit. Not so once you get to 300 gr.
429421 was a good boolit with 22 gr of 2400. Even it will fail with the wrong powders. I did many tests over the years.114130This is one with a heavy shot too slow. 50 yards. this boolit will do 1" at 100 or under but see what a Unique load does.
Why do revolver shooters ignore twist, velocity and barrel length?
Would you deer hunt with this load?

[DougGuy]

+1 for the Lee 310, if you want lighter loads than 21.5gr 296, use 17.0gr 2400, 20.0gr LilGun, WLP primers.

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[runfiverun]

I shoot some of the 241's in my 44 mag too.
but have a fondness for the 429667 which is a 240 gr round nose flat point.
I mostly shoot the 241's in the 44 specials now.

[44man]

Lee 310 is a great boolit. Just needs spun up and will go through any animal. Sorry but it can't be shot at 800 fps. The .44 is a mild gun to shoot, why look for milk toast loads? It will not work.

[DougGuy]

Lee 310 is a great boolit. Just needs spun up and will go through any animal. Sorry but it can't be shot at 800 fps. The .44 is a mild gun to shoot, why look for milk toast loads? It will not work.

What I meant by my statement:
+1 for the Lee 310, if you want lighter loads than 21.5gr 296, use 17.0gr 2400, 20.0gr LilGun, WLP primers. is lighter than max loads. These are both still over 1,000f/s. Not a mouse fart load by any means. When I get a chance I will run some over the chrony and see what they are clocking.

[Larry Gibson]

The Lyman 429421 and RCBS 44-250-K (or KT) are excellent and time proven cast bullets in the 44 magnum. In your Super BH either will do very well from very low 44 SPL velocities (700 - 900 fps) to true magnum level velocities of 1400+ fps. Of course you must match the alloy to the velocity level which is not very hard to do. I size them at .430 which gives as good accuracy as any other sizing. I use 2 loads with either bullet; 8.5 gr Unique for a very accurate and comfortable "mid range load" and 22 gr of Alliant 2400 for the magnum load which is also very accurate. Both at time proven loads in the 44 magnum and are very useful for hunting.

However for hunting big game I use the GC'd Lyman Devastator 429640HP cast soft of 16-1 alloy (270 gr) over 23 gr H110 which give 1350 fps out of my Ruger BH w/6 1/2" barrel. You should realize 1400 fps with that load in your Ruger with 7 1/2" barrel.

Larry Gibson

[RoyEllis]

No! need proper spin, heavy can not be shot slow. But a 240 can. And a Unique load will work with a lighter boolit. Not so once you get to 300 gr.
429421 was a good boolit with 22 gr of 2400. Even it will fail with the wrong powders. I did many tests over the years.114130This is one with a heavy shot too slow. 50 yards. this boolit will do 1" at 100 or under but see what a Unique load does.
Why do revolver shooters ignore twist, velocity and barrel length?
Would you deer hunt with this load?

Guess I'm blessed with a one in a million SBH Ruger, 12.1gr Herco pushing NOE's 434421 sized .432 out of mine would eat the 2 white center rings out of that target, 1174fps at a time.
Have to defer to others experience on the heavies, crushed hand won't stand the recoil to shoot the dino-stomper loads anymore so I stay in the moderate range now. Bought mine new in '81, it's made at least 2 one shot kills on deer every year with the Keith style boolits in that speed range, and a bunch of hogs the past 8-10 years.

[44man]

Actually I use the RCBS boolit with 7 gr of unique for good accuracy to 50 yards but I make them 28 to 30 BHN. As powder gets slower I can go softer. Yet the 429421 has not proven accurate with 296, only 2400. 22 gr was the best. I had the original in 1956 but had newer versions, not as good.
I think the original had a nose at bore size, sure don't remember. Better start at the cone. RCBS has a small nose that wobbles in the bore. Nose can't guide a boolit.

[Wayne Smith]

Do a search for Blammers posts. He has a pic of almost every 44 mold available! Give you an idea of what is available.

[Thumbcocker]

Sorry but it can't be shot at 800 fps. The .44 is a mild gun to shoot, why look for milk toast loads? It will not work.

While I have the upmost respect for your abilities and experience; I guess we have a different view on loads for a given gun. I like to have the ability to tailor loads for a given situation. I soot a lot more mid power loads than I do thumpers. I find it to be more enjoyable to shoot a variety of loads in a given gun. I also like the fact that less powder is requires. Shooting long strings of heavy loads causes me to get rattled and lose focus on the basics.


I appreciate your posts and experience and have profited by them especially shooting hunting loads at objects prior to deer season. I have found that Keith hollow points over 22 of H110 are all I need to cleanly kill deer at the ranges I hunt. (longest shot on white tail buck 65 yards). I dropped two deer with one shot each last year with a SBH Bisley hunter and those loads. I know that I am not in your league as a hunter or shooter but I do enjoy playing with loads of various power levels in all my handguns. It may not be the best way to do it but it is my preference. That is why I made the comment to the op that I found the Keith boolit to be more versatile.


I will continue to read and appreciate your posts and to respect your history as a hunter and hand gunner.

[44man]

My abilities are going to the dogs with age. A keith with 22 gr of H110 is a good load. I enjoy a few light loads myself, just that heavy for caliber doesn't work with them . the .44 is right at home with 240 to 250 gr boolits. Those are what you load the light loads with. As weight goes up, you need to maintain velocity.
I use lighter loads for cans then most do, 7 gr of Unique or 6.5 of 231, yeah, shoots good. but at 300+, doesn't work.
When you shoot a .475 or .500, you will wonder if the .44 went off! It is the gun and many .357's can be worse. Had the little suckers beat my knuckle.

[beppe]

INGLESE
Thanks to all for your advice !!! I chose the mold lyman 429421 ........ a nice keith..INGLESE
it takes a month to get the ruger ...... wait anxiously:coffee:

[1Shirt]

I would go with 44Man!
1Shirt!

[Cherokee]

beppe - I have used the 429421 for over 40 years in 44 mag. A good choice for near-top and top loads, I only use 2400. Great in my RBH and my Redhawk. Enjoy and let us know how it goes for you.

[MtGun44]

The most important issue is to fit the boolit to the throats (front of cylinder) for best
accuracy. You will do well with the 429421 but if that is harder to obtain than an
RCBS mold, the 44-250-K is a very good version of Elmer's design and their molds are
really well made, probably the most consistently nice molds of the production
companies. My SBH has very large throats (.432") and was a good shooter with
jacketed and mediocre with .429 hard cast commercial. With softer Keith design
boolits sized to .432" from an oversized mold, it is accurate.

Two very useful loads are the original Keith load of 20 (or so) grains of 2400,
and the ever popular midrange load of 10 gr of Unique. If you have Power
Pistol but not Unique, 9 gr of PP is a nearly identical load - about 1050 fps with the
250 Keith designs, which is accurate and not quite so "energetic" as the full
power loads, but will shoot thru a white tailed deer from end to end.

Hard alloys and GCs are not needed. Start with something like wheel weight alloy-
about 10-12 BHN as a starting point. Usually, this is all that is needed, but some
find better accuracy by increasing the hardness, something that I have not found
consistently.

Bill

[Rick R]

I don't know how hard it would be to obtain all the suggested American made molds in Italy, but also be aware that M&P Molds makes beautiful molds and he's just north of you in Slovenia (I believe?).

http://www.mp-molds.com/index.php?pr=Molds

[beppe]

I recycle and smelt at the bottom of the bullets that polygon ......... those already fired.......:cbpour:

[paul edward]

Congratulations. You now have one of the finest revolvers ever made.

I got one in 1965 and have loaded thousands of rounds for it, mostly cast, and they all work!

I have used three .44 caliber molds:
1. Lyman 429336, 250 grain, not too good as it has no crimp groove.
2. Lee 429-214, 214 grain, good for light and moderate loads.
3. RCBS 44-225 225 grain with gas check.

Would be happy to share loads. What powders are available in Italy?

[leadman]

The 429421 is an excellent choice. I have shot it from 800 fps to over 1,400 fps with excellent accuracy.

Just to mention it, .432" is the SAAMI spec for a 44 mag cast boolit with .4325" cylinder throats since 1979.

[beppe]

INGLESE
powders that I can find in Italy are many, n320, 340, 7/800 x imr, n110, some lovex etc. ....... I have at home the n320 and n110 700x and I do not know which of these I will use.............:cbpour:

[beppe]

I using this revolver only for target at 100 meters and low ,becouse in italy is not possibile go to hunt with it ...

[44man]

Cut my teeth with the 429421, so i can't say bad about it. I shot the .44 over 550 yards in 56-57. Elmer was my hero. Still is. Friends thought me crazy but bust a rock that far and they change fast. Never forget the day I held too high and cut a branch over a camp, must have been 1000 yards away. Camping not allowed and I did not know they were there. I shot over a RR bank. They came looking for me. Asked why they were camping in a restricted area.
Still scary, could have hurt someone. I never forgot how far a .44 will go.

[Gtek]

I just took my brand new SS 7.5" Hunter to the range Wednesday after work. Went through a box of PMC factory lead, did not touch the sights. 3"-4" at 7 o'clock @ 25. Cylinder was pinned and found three at a really tight .432" and the others snug .432". Light leading an inch and a half back from muzzle, wiped right out. A 421, 244, and an old solid 640 SC lives here, maybe if I am a good boy this year Santa will bring that silver Leupold!

[44man]

I just took my brand new SS 7.5" Hunter to the range Wednesday after work. Went through a box of PMC factory lead, did not touch the sights. 3"-4" at 7 o'clock @ 25. Cylinder was pinned and found three at a really tight .432" and the others snug .432". Light leading an inch and a half back from muzzle, wiped right out. A 421, 244, and an old solid 640 SC lives here, maybe if I am a good boy this year Santa will bring that silver Leupold!
If you hunt, get an Ultra Dot, friend is doing 1/2" at fifty with his Hunter. Super gun!

[Hardcast416taylor]

Of all my .44 molds the 3 favorite ones I use the most are from 3 different makers.

1. Lyman #429421 HP`ed by "Buckshot" in an older single cavity mold, excellent work and shoots very nicely.
2.RCBS 44 - 250 - K that I`ve had for close to 40 years as is the Blackhawk that shoots them.
3. Lee #429 - 214 WC no longer being made by LEE, my Ruger loves to shoot these flying "trashcans" as I call them.Robert

[Gtek]

Yes Sir, Hunter was planning on going hunting with me. Thanks for the suggestion on Ultra, being a Leupold man I may have blinders. At a tick over half the cost of best deal found on scope the idea has become even more attractive and also the addition of low light capability is a plus. All the reviews seem to be positive with lifetime warranty, sounds good.

[44man]

Go to Ultra Dot West for the best deal. Super wonderful people. Paid postage for all of mine too.
They have increased in price like everything else. Don't get fancy, just the plain 4 minute dot. Put it on a deer and you have meat. I like the 30mm best.

[Outpost75]

The Saeco #141 is their clone of #429421, which I use and works well for me. My friend Giorgio in Mirabello uses it also. I don't recall which Cheddite powder he uses in Italy, but if I recall, it is tbe Yellow,granular, and he works up his charge to obtain 400+/-5m/s from his Marlin rifle. He has killed lots of boar with this load, but must change to lead-free ammunition this season.

in boca Al lupo!

[Gtek]

Just ordered from Optics Planet. Was looking at online and red banner popped and said call now for special deal and I called. One each 28mm knocked down to 151. with free shipping and its on the way. If it does not fit the bill there, maybe land on the MKlll. Grips, holster and cylinder pin will be on the way tomorrow.
Pot and molds to be warmed soon.

[a.squibload]

... Light boolits/bullets do not shoot good,...

That's news to me! I've even shot 120 grain round balls,
they were slow but very accurate as I recall.
Guess a flat nose 225 grain lead boolit at 1100 fps is wimpy.
I should start lifting weights again...

[44man]

That's news to me! I've even shot 120 grain round balls,
they were slow but very accurate as I recall.
Guess a flat nose 225 grain lead boolit at 1100 fps is wimpy.
I should start lifting weights again...
Depends, accurate is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like over 1" at 50 yards. 180 or 200 from a .44??? .44 starts at 240 gr. Many of my revolvers have done under that at 100, some to 1/2". Best group was 2-1/2" at 500 yards. But the .475 even beat that at 400 yards. A good .44 can do 1/2" at 50 yards.
Seen 7 yard groups that are worse then a revolver at 300 yards.
It is not a wimpy question at all. it is twist, velocity match and light does not work.
A 180 or 200 is just not going to do it unless you shoot 7 yards. Give me a RB from a .44 and my slingshot will match or better it. When young I never came out of the field with less then 16 rabbits with a slingshot. Not allowed to hunt there with a gun and had shopping bags of rabbits to sneak in my car.
What do you call accurate?

[a.squibload]

Never mind.

[Static line]

You are answering to a post from 2014 ?

[a.squibload]

Oh, guess so, was tryin to catch up.

[kreuzlover]

Is that 44man for real? 2.5" at 500 yards?? Sounds like Elmers 600 yard running elk shot. I smell BS!

[smithnframe]

429421 of course!

[Three44s]

For a first mold? The vaunted RCBS 250K!

Three44s

[a.squibload]

Sorry I didn't notice it was an old thread, just wanted the OP in Italy to know that
almost any mould he could get his hands on would probably work fine.

I was on a heavy boolit kick for a while, still like 'em. A friend had a 330gn mould
that worked great for silhouette. I have a Hoch mould that's about 310 gns big flat nose,
almost a wadcutter. Another friend loaded some and said they keyholed but
I never had that happen, maybe twist rate or velocity or something. Anyway
I know the RCBS-225-SWC works fine and saves me some lead each shot!