speed green

[stumpjumper]

hi all. i am getting ready to make some speed green i think the recipe called for 2 onces of bull plate lube and 6 onces of beeswax. can i measure a block of beeswax before it is melted (6 onces) and go from there or does it need to be melted and done by volume in a measuring cup. thanks to all.



dave

[Bullshop]

Dave
The mix is by weight 3 to 1, 3 beeswax to 1 bull plate. Going by volume throws it off.
BIC/BS

[Swamprat1052]

I cut the beeswax into chunks with my miter saw and weigh it on a postal scale. A handsaw would cut it to. Its a little hard to cut with a knife.

Swamprat

[stumpjumper]

thanks guys

[Bullshop]

I just put a block of beeswax outside for ten minutes, wrap it in several layers of news paper then smack it with a hatchet. Bingo lots of little peaces. If ya dont have a frozen outside you can improvise.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[utk]

I put my large "loaf" of beeswax into the micro and nuked it a few minutes. It then became warm and soft so I could slice it up into smaller pieces. These smaller slices are easily handled with the regular kitchen knife.

I used to grate the beeswax before, but that was really slow and messy.

Urban

[TCLouis]

If someone has figured out the bulk density for "beeswax" then we could just measure a chunk to "weight".

[45nut]

Bullshop,

What is the best method of mixing these ingredients? A whisk? stir stick? kitchen mixer?

[Bullshop]

Bullplate will mix so readily with bees wax that there is almost no need to stir.
Its kinda like pouring koolaid into a pitcher of water. Does that give a hint to how old I am? Anyway use the KISS systam. Use what ya got and just give it a quick stir.
Once the ingrediance are mixed it does not sepperate so you can remelt it to fill your sizer and not worry about it sepperating. The most important thing I have found to makeing speed green is to use a double boiler to melt the wax. Over heating the wax to the point of scorching degrades the quality of the wax.
I know nothing of how a micro wave affects the quality of the wax as I have no experiance with such a device. Until someone comes up with a wood fired micro wave its not likely I will learn.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[ssn vet]

like pouring koolaid into a pitcher of water.

What's really scary Dan, is that you're likely talking about the ancient small packets of Kool Aid, where you put in your own sugar (which is much too complicated for the "modern" man)...

Of course the chief advantage of making Kool Aid this way (which any frugal little old lady Sunday school teacher knows) is that you can "cheat" on the sugar. This not only stretches a 5 lb. bag, but makes the little boys slightly less hyper active.

Don't ask me how I know :roll:


I have no experience with such a device. Until someone comes up with a wood fired micro wave its not likely I will learn.

[smilie=l:

Man alive, even the Walton's had "electrified lights"

secretly jealous here.

Maybe I need to move from the extreme southern end of Maine to the extreme northern end. I bet I could pick up a hundred acres and a fixer up farm house for a song.

[crabo]

Bullshop, could you give us an approximent size block of beeswax for a 2 oz bottle of lube? I am trying to figure out how much speed green I could make from a bottle.

Thanks,

[Bullshop]

crabo
OK but this is just a rough estimate right, no exactness here. I weigh my wax on a battery powered postal scale and the mix is 3 to 1 by actual weight not by volume.
Measuring by volume will give way too soft a lube.
Here ya go if you want to scan a pile o wax and get a rough estimate of how much lube it will make. My well claiberated eye says about a heaping full coffie cup will be about right for one 2 oz bottle of bullplate. Not one a them tiny lady size cups either I mean a man size mug. Thara ya go.
Blessings
BIC/Daniel
PS
You can thank the rain for my early arrival here this year. Man I got so much work to get done and moose, caribou, and grizzly bear season starts on the 10th. Work wet or hunt wet what would you do?

[Bullshop]

ssn vet
Yes Sir you are right, the only ones I know about, the thin little shirt pocket size packages what looks like garden seeds.. If they have other new ones I dont know about them. Sorry fellas but I dont get out much.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[DLCTEX]

Bullshop: my teenager wants to know how you access the internet without electricity, satellite? generator? Send any extra rain here, please. Evidently you do not run heat with speed green? I would have thought that 3 to 1 would be rather stiff. DALE

[ssn vet]

If they have other new ones I dont know about them

oh, now they add the sugar for you, put it in a large pouch and jack the price up 3X what normal sugar costs.....

Thank the Good Lord my kids drink water! I'd go broke paying the dentist bills....

[Bullshop]

OK Dale I gotta fess up, we got power. We just choose to not have some of the power gizmoes that folks feel they need like TV, fidgerizer,micro wave and lotsa others. We try to maximze the KISS prinsiple.
We seem to have to have this computer for business. Since I quit doing gun shows I would guess 90% of our business is internet and 10% walk in customers.
Ya mite just say we aint swimin with the school.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[Blammer]

ok so 2 fluid ounces of bullplate to 6 oz by wt of beeswax.

[Bullshop]

No Sir the bullplate is by actual weight too. Those little white bottles filled to the top hold 2 oz by weight.

[Blammer]

OK, thanks!

[crabo]

Do you need heat to use speed green in a star? I started to cut my beeswax into smaller chunks so it would melt faster, and it is some hard stuff. I am wondering how much heat it is going to take to use it in a Star? I normally just use a light bulb on my star with BAC.

Thanks,

[Bullshop]

crabo
Normaly I do not use heat for speed green. Abnormaly like when its -50f and my shop is kinda cold I do use just a bit of heat. A light bulb should work nicely.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[Blammer]

after its' mixed I don't need any heat to run it in my lyman 450

[686]

i am not trying to change your good lube but . if i wanted a little harder-stiffer lube would 4-1 work? i guess i mean would the lube work and what would be the problums with doing that ? also do you get the bw melted first then add the bull plate ?

[Bullshop]

686
Well Sir I can only guess since I havnt tried it that way but my guess would be yes.
The bullplate is such an efficiant lube that I dont think the reduction in percentage will hurt. Look at how little it takes to keep a mold in good order.
For me up here where its cold it may affect the temp at which it will shoot well.
The bullplate will not freeze at any temp I have submited it to down to -50 or so so when mixed has the effect of keeping the bees wax soft in the barrel even at very cold temps where some lubes will harden to the point the the boolit begins to ride the lube and is deformed by it. As a rule in realy cold weather I will soften the lube with more bullplate to adjust for that effect. Actually what I have started doing is just using nasa lube in winter for all my smokless loads.
Blessings from the Bull Shop

[crabo]

What the heck is NASA lube?

[Tom Herman]

If someone has figured out the bulk density for "beeswax" then we could just measure a chunk to "weight".
The density of Beeswax is listed as ranging between 0.953 and 0.970.

Happy Shootin'! -Tom

[Bullshop]

NASA lube is our black powder lube formula. It is much softer than speed green.
We started out calling it nasa lube with space stuff because of the technology developed by/for nasa with synthetic ester fibers which is the lube base for bullplate.
Try doing a search for it here at CB. There has been some interesting stuff written about it.
Blessings
BIC/BS

[mainiac]

What's really scary Dan, is that you're likely talking about the ancient small packets of Kool Aid, where you put in your own sugar (which is much too complicated for the "modern" man)...

Of course the chief advantage of making Kool Aid this way (which any frugal little old lady Sunday school teacher knows) is that you can "cheat" on the sugar. This not only stretches a 5 lb. bag, but makes the little boys slightly less hyper active.

Don't ask me how I know :roll:



[smilie=l:

Man alive, even the Walton's had "electrified lights"

secretly jealous here.

Maybe I need to move from the extreme southern end of Maine to the extreme northern end. I bet I could pick up a hundred acres and a fixer up farm house for a song.
Just make sure it aint near water!! Land anywhere near water is now so expensive, that only the out-of state rich guys can afford it! Small, camp lots on any frog pond around here are going for 30-50 grand! Us natives are screwed. Times are a changin!!!!!

[MakeMineA10mm]

Dan,
Have you ever mixed Speed Green with some Lanolin, carnauba, or Vasoline?

Not looking for you to give away any secrets, but wondering if the effects those three ingredients potentially bring to the party would accomplish anything with the ingredients you've already got in the Bull Plate lube...?

[sniper]

hi all. i am getting ready to make some speed green i think the recipe called for 2 onces of bull plate lube and 6 onces of beeswax. can i measure a block of beeswax before it is melted (6 onces) and go from there or does it need to be melted and done by volume in a measuring cup. thanks to all. dave


Somebody please tell me if this would work. Not having a postal scale, but owning three 2 oz. blocks of beeswax I got from da'Bay, I figure...close enough! Melt the wax, dump in the contents of one of the neat little white bottles of Bullplate lube, stir, don't shake, so as not to bruise the mixture,:mrgreen: and FEAR NOT!

There has to be something wrong with that...it's too easy! Oh, yeah...how would adding a tbsp. of Johnson's Paste Wax affect anything ? Would it harden the mix?

Cheeers

[crabo]

Why not try it the way it is recommended before you mess with the formula? How will you know if you have improved it, or made it less effective by changing it without trying it first?

Just some questions,

[leftiye]

On another thread therw were guys mixing JPW and lee mule snot, and some even adding moly powder to these two. Claiming good results too. I suspect that some carnauba might help speed green at human type (summer) temperatures, but would possibly cause hard lube buildup in the bore at inhuman (Alaskan) temperatures. Same with moly.

[Meatco1]

Dan, when I mixed up a batch, I thought it was a hard lube.

Richard

[sniper]

Why not try it the way it is recommended before you mess with the formula?

Because I CAN, old boy!;)

Actually, I was kind of hoping someone with experience with the mixture(s) could say "Well, tried it, and this is what happened." MUCH better than messing up a whole batch, when accurate knowledge is available and willingly shared.

[Bullshop]

For a harder lube for those requesting that we mix one oz of pure carnauba wax to one pound of speed green. It dont work no better its just harder and less sticky.
We call it SGC for speed green with carnauba. The SGC will need a bit of heat for those north of the M.D. line and maybe not for them on the right side. ;-)
BIC/BS

[Cadillo]

What's really scary Dan, is that you're likely talking about the ancient small packets of Kool Aid, where you put in your own sugar (which is much too complicated for the "modern" man)...

Of course the chief advantage of making Kool Aid this way (which any frugal little old lady Sunday school teacher knows) is that you can "cheat" on the sugar. This not only stretches a 5 lb. bag, but makes the little boys slightly less hyper active.

Don't ask me how I know :roll:



[smilie=l:

Man alive, even the Walton's had "electrified lights"

secretly jealous here.

Maybe I need to move from the extreme southern end of Maine to the extreme northern end. I bet I could pick up a hundred acres and a fixer up farm house for a song.


And for a real treat you can put the Koolaid in icetrays for homemade popsicles sans stick.

[WhitworthNewby]

Hey yall, Never heard of bullplate

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Hey yall, Never heard of bullplate

WhitworthNewby,
welcome to the forum
Bullplate is a sprue plate lube

More info here
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?390873-Bull-Plate