Another Border Patrol agent killed

[Mike in TX]

Agent Varga was killed in south Texas by 2 illegals looking to rob him and his family. The illegals had been deported at least once. The agent and his family were on vacation and was killed in front of his family including 2 of his children. His father was also shot. It is time for this to stop. If our esteemed President and Congress do not wake up the Texas militia will be out in force and then blood will flow. I hope not but it is bound to happen.

[Smoke4320]

I think it will take something like the texas milita stepping up before anything does get done..
seems all our "leaders" only follow or act when forced into a corner

[waynem34]

That maybe what needs to be done.I wonder if other countries allow people to cross borders and give them a helping hand?I doubt it happens in to many other places.I'm sure sorry about Varga.Maybe the thugs will get theres too.

[Garyshome]

obama wants Marshall law, so he can make himself king. I'm sure he is wondering how much more we will take before the country erupts and he gets his Marshall law....kingeship.

[deathdragon147]

I agree with gary. I would rather the militia

[Stephen Cohen]

waynem34 to answer your question, yes other countries do allow there borders to be openly violated. We get back door entering criminal illegals washing up on our shores daily, and why wouldn't they, when they are met with a $7000 golden handshake and free mobile usage to call relatives, hey family, grab a leaky boat Australia is a soft touch for illegals. NoW I can sit here an wait for the authorities to come arrest me for daring to speak out. Isn't socialism wonderful, NOT.

[WILCO]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/05/suspects-in-murder-border-patrol-agent-arrested-and-deported-numerous-times/

[doc1876]

I seem to remember that when someone crosses a boarder, and kills a citizen in the entered country, that is considered an act of war by the offending country.

I will be sharing this on fb

[1Shirt]

There have been numerous acts of war on the part of the Mexicans, that have just been ignored by the Obama administration.
1Shirt!

[45Reverse]

Sign me up...MORE than happy to share some of my freshly plated 9mm pills with Obama's Mexican thug friends. I'll even personally deliver them...at 1200 fps.

[.45Cole]

See, if we take the guns away from American citizens, then this wouldn't have happened. They would have only been robbed by citizens of another country, that were committing crimes in our country. And if you have a weapon here in this country, then we will punish you to make you safe. We would rather do this than protect our own citizens from crimes committed on our soil by citizens of another country. Funny how we care more about Ukraine's sovereignty than our own.
[Not that Ukraine isn't a serious problem; history has warned us]

[bubba.50]

with Holder givin' them guns & Odumbo handin' out free passes I don't see how it's gonna get any better.

[bob208]

the o is too busy getting his *** handed to him buy Russia. Iraq .Syria and to other towel heads to worry about Mexico. after all do you really want to risk a beating from the little kid next door or the one across town?

[SharpsShooter]

Until the border is closed with significant physical force, the illegal folks rounded up and deported nothing will change.

I still say that we can solve unemployment simply by expanding the border patrol with the unemployed in the southern states to occupy the border with armed personnel and a stop or I will shoot rules of engagement. I fully realize that what I say sounds horrible, but the situation as it is is untenable and will require extreme measures to solve.

I have nothing against legal immigration whatsoever, but when you cross that border and become a leech on our society you are not welcome.

SS

[Moondawg]

It is getting pretty bad (dangerous) over in the Valley. The flow of illegals, thugs, druggies etc., is starting to wash over into counties near here. It may be time to start consider carrying more than just a pistol in the car or truck.

[Lonegun1894]

Some days I wonder when we will stop putting up both with the ongoing invasion on the US-Mex border, and the treason in DC.

[.45Cole]

Lonegun1894-The problem with that is that people would have to actually care, and be distracted from social circles. There is also the problem of supplying enough nutrition to the country to allow for proper brain development. Most brains in the US, I fear, are greatly undersized.

[TXGunNut]

Here's the situation; with our Border Patrol agents busy on babysitting duty who's catching the bad actors coming across the border?

[MaryB]

I am making a case that will hang from the back of the truck seat and hold the SKS as a truck gun. Zipper end and a secret way to open the top and reach in from the drivers seat if needed. Not totally legal but these days I think it is going to be wise to have some form of high capacity rifle on hand.

[Char-Gar]

This happened about 30 miles from where I live. It is a real tragedy that a guy goes fishing with his family and kids and ends up dead, but you folks need a better perspective on this. It has become fuel for the immigration debate and perhaps folks need to walk away from that a little bit.

Ever since 1846 when the Rio Grande River became an international boundary Mexican bandits/thugs/criminals and thieves have been crossing from Mexico into the US to do crime, because this is where the good stuff is. When they get caught, they are deported time and time again, until they do some serious crime and they are turned over to the state for prosecution and imprisonment.

That is just the way these things have been done for a century and a half. It is not anything new, but just another incident that just happened to make national news because the vic was a Border Patrol agent. The hundreds and thousands of other victims each year only make the local news.

This kind of stuff is just the way of life down here and not something out of the ordinary. It did not happen because of Obama or anything that idiot has done. This is just the way of living on the border. You don't go out into remote areas of the border unarmed. This guy and his family took guns, but he had his head up his wazoo and got caught with his pants down. So much for situational awareness and FLETCH training!

When all the facts are it, it will turn out these two guys were stealing heavy duty pickup trucks for the cartels. They have done this a number of times and none of the vehicles have been recovered, which means they went to Mexico. The cartels like these kinds of trucks for their business and there are many of them here in the Rio Grande Valley. They just come here to steal them and if you put up resistance, there is a good chance you will get shot.

The bottom line is this is just another instance of border/cartel crime which has be coopted for domestic political purposes. It is a shame, but nobody really give a S%&* about the border unless there is an election, or a bunch of Central American kids show up, or a Border Patrol Agent gets killed. We are just a political football used by all sides without any real understanding of the situation down here.

Folks scream about "secure the border" just like they cried for a "war on drugs". These are just meaningless political slogans that belong in La-La Land because they are just hot air. The border will never be secure and drugs will continue to flow as long as folks are willing to pay billions of dollars for the drugs and hire folks for less that minimum wage. Until that behavior changes, it will be business as usual on the border. Americans want their dope and wetback labor. The cartels are delighted to furnish both.

[TXGunNut]

Well said, Char-Gar. Little has changed but I feel things are getting worse. It's truly a shame that the situation in the border region (and quite likely beyond) has become a political matter. I don't do politics in this format so will leave it at that.

[Char-Gar]

Well said, Char-Gar. Little has changed but I feel things are getting worse. It's truly a shame that the situation in the border region (and quite likely beyond) has become a political matter. I don't do politics in this format so will leave it at that.

It has gotten worse due to the larger number of cartels, which means more cartel soldiers. The amount of drugs has increased due to demand. The amount of money to be made is staggering. The cartels virtually control the Mexican northern/border states. Through corruption of American officials the work freely in the two or three tier of Texas counties on the border and their tentacles stretch much much farther north. They are a scourge.

There is a real crime problem on the border, but it isn't the hapless mojados paying the cartels for the privilege of crossing the river. Folks have made them the focus of their anger and ignore the substance of the problem. American politicians are willing to pander to this mistakenly placed anger as it is a sure vote getter.

Folks up north get so worked up over the wetbacks, they almost spin themselves into the ground not realizing they are being played by the politicians and media folks that support both sides.

[DoubleAdobe]

Charles is right once again.
Those of us on this border are only surprised when our more northerly neighbors go for the cheese and want to lop the heads off of the lowest pawns in this game.
It has been business as usual here on the border for many years now, the only difference is the cynical way the media uses it to jerk chains in the less informed areas as regards the ways of the cartels.
I actually forget that others don't live with the things that we do, and when a "news" event like this hits, the lack of knowledge of what is normal here along the border is kind of surprising.
I blame the sensationalistic media for it, really, because I wouldn't know what was real or true or sensationalized about the east coast, or northern border, etc.
With all that said, may the agent's family get some peace and comfort eventually, and the BG's pay dearly.

[MtGun44]

It would seem that having a rifle handy in that part of the country would be
a good plan. A pistol is outranged pretty quickly in that wide open land.

Being armed and vigilant is good policy anywhere, more so in the southwest.

Bill

[Char-Gar]

It would seem that having a rifle handy in that part of the country would be
a good plan. A pistol is outranged pretty quickly in that wide open land.

Being armed and vigilant is good policy anywhere, more so in the southwest.

Bill

In the lower Rio Grande Valley where this stuff is taking place, there are no wide open spaces unless it has been cleared for cultivation or development. The natural state is thick brush, impenetrable in places. If I wanted something more than a rifle, it would be a shotgun with buckshot.

If I am in a situation where a rifle could be used, I would be gone. I am not going to stand around and slug it out with rifles. I am not interested in a gunfight, just getting away from one as far and as fast as I can.

[SharpsShooter]

If the local populace see all this cross-border activity as nothing more than SOP then it won't get better. From reading the submissions above, one gets the impression that this is just normal day-to-day business and has been going on so long that it is accepted. Sounds like the problems on them to me. If the local citizens are not demanding it be fixed, why should the rest of us care?

Sad thing about the border patrol guard. However he was just out having but with the family and became preoccupied with them. That caused him to lose his situational awareness. How silly!…


Reference was made to these people being pawns and to some degree that is true. However, you must remember if you use that analogy, pawns often take the brunt of battle in a war (on drugs or employment), but in the end one side usually wins. A draw is possible, but less likely.

SS

[Char-Gar]

If the local populace see all this cross-border activity as nothing more than SOP then it won't get better. From reading the submissions above, one gets the impression that this is just normal day-to-day business and has been going on so long that it is accepted. Sounds like the problems on them to me. If the local citizens are not demanding it be fixed, why should the rest of us care?

SS

That sounds likes plan to me. You worry about West Virginia problems and we will deal with problems in our area.

[jumbeaux]

First of all let me express my sincere condolences to the family of the murdered agent...my family has owned a place near the border in Presidio County since Spanish Land Grant days...the border has been pretty porous forever...since drugs got to be big business just about all of the border with Mexico has become unsafe...in my opinion both political parties have steered away from tackling the issue because they fear a backlash from Hispanic voters...Rick Perry can grandstand and invoke his power to secure the border but he along with the majority of elected officials in Texas dare not cross that line lest they face the wrath of the rapidly growing (about to become the majority in Texas) Hispanic populace...BTW Rick Perry is not seeking another term as Governor. Char Gar hit the nail on the head...unless something sensational takes place that effects people in other than border states the "killings" are nothing more than local news. It will take an extremely strong leader to fairly address/resolve this issue...I really don't see that person anywhere on the horizon...State or Nationally...like Char Gar I am too darned old, fat and slow (my apologizes Rev for I know you have none of these attributes) to outgun the cartels...however, my old '94 30 WCF has retired for something more modern...I just Pray that I will never need to rely on it...

rick

[MaryB]

Hispanics who are here legally want the illegals gone too according to a poll I saw(do not remember where...). The crime and drugs affect their families too.

[smokeywolf]

It's all about money! Lower wages for companies and corporations in the U.S. Continued operation of American manufacturing assets in Mexico, which is probably contingent on the continued porosity of the Southern border. That 25 to 30 billion dollars that both legal and criminal aliens send back to Mexico every year is Mexico's second greatest revenue source.
I wonder how long American manufacturing assets would be welcome in Mexico if the border were secured.

Plus... Don't forget about the expansion of the liberal voter population; bought with social services paid for by the taxpayers.

Which ever political party exerts the most control over policy and legislation, that's the party that gets the most bribe money.

We the voters are not the ones in control. This Country is controlled by those people and entities who provide the political parties with their money.

Until the average American middle class citizens are able to take back their government, the border will never be secured and the criminal aliens who are here already, will never be permanently evicted.

smokeywolf

[texaswoodworker]

Folks scream about "secure the border" just like they cried for a "war on drugs". These are just meaningless political slogans that belong in La-La Land because they are just hot air. The border will never be secure and drugs will continue to flow as long as folks are willing to pay billions of dollars for the drugs and hire folks for less that minimum wage. Until that behavior changes, it will be business as usual on the border. Americans want their dope and wetback labor. The cartels are delighted to furnish both.

Line the borders with MGs, and men with "shoot on sight" orders, make crossing into the US illegally a felony with an extremely stiff penalty, and you'll see a pretty big reduction in illegal crossings.

[matrixcs]

The illegal immigration will never end no new laws can fix the problem. New laws would be enforced the same as current laws meaning not at all....We are being betrayed by the lawless who we elected. We failed to see they were power hungry and have no character or honor and believe they are above the law.

[SharpsShooter]

Line the borders with MGs, and men with "shoot on sight" orders, make crossing into the US illegally a felony with an extremely stiff penalty, and you'll see a pretty big reduction in illegal crossings.



I said the same thing sometime back and Char Gar immediately jumped with both feet. The discussion was about the problem and how to solve it. Like you, I presented a solution. My thinking was very simply along the lines of making the price they pay to get north of the border more than they are willing to spend.

SS

[SharpsShooter]

That sounds likes plan to me. You worry about West Virginia problems and we will deal with problems in our area.


That's just it Sir. You not taking care of your problem down there will eventually overspill into my area. When it gets this far north, then I guess it will be okay to worry then.[smilie=b:

If you're going to call it a war… Be prepared to fight it like one.

SS

[Hickory]

The illegal immigration will never end no new laws can fix the problem. New laws would be enforced the same as current laws meaning not at all....We are being betrayed by the lawless who we elected. We failed to see they were power hungry and have no character or honor and believe they are above the law.


Freedom and country are lost when an unarmed people invade a country unappossed by the invaded government.
If the people try to stop it with arms (milita) they may end-up in a war with their own government and not the invaders.

[smokeywolf]

Freedom and country are lost when an unarmed people invade a country unappossed by the invaded government.
If the people try to stop it with arms (milita) they may end-up in a war with their own government and not the invaders.

Should that ever happen, it won't be because the people are opposing the government. It will be because the government has openly been opposing the people for a very long time.
As long as the parties and their financial backers are deciding who the candidates will be, the citizens will never be able to replace an unethical or dishonest representative with another who is ethical and honest and will actually represent the best interests of John & Jane Q. Citizen.
Illegal immigration is proof of this. It has never resulted in an overall benefit to the public, yet it has not only continued for decades, but dramatically increased over the last 30 or 40 years.

smokeywolf

[MaryB]

Finish the border fence, even i the so called "nature preserve" areas. Close the flood gates unless there is flooding and lock them from our side. Put the military on the border with a watch tower every 500 yards with machine guns. Keep a squad in each tower that rotates out once a week to a different spot to prevent bribery to let people cross. 1 warning shot, turn back or get shot. It is a tough decision that our government will never make until we take back the country. And I see a civil war coming to do just that

[Brother Bob]

I feel for the folks along the border. Their hands are tied. They can't do a dang thing without getting in serious trouble with their own country. We need a POTUS who has zero tolerance for this nonsense.........and why is one of our Marine's still in prison in that *** country? Unfortunately, we'd probably have to take out half of our standing government to solve this problem, along with half of the Mexican population. That's a pretty large task for us regular folks.

[MaryB]

Read this tonight, this was setup to happen back in 2011 :
Homeland Security ‘Partnered With’ UN Migration Organization, Triggered Border Crisis
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/exclusive-homeland-security-partnered-un-migration-organization-triggered-border-crisis/#ykxYqukDpC3kzKdw.99