Difference between H110 and N110?

[andym79]

Hi guys does anyone know the difference between H110 and VVN110!

Their burn rates are similar, but I want to know more!

I though VV N110 had characteristics like 2400, but wanted to check that it is not like H110 or it will be no good for reduced loads!

[aya]

VV-N-110 is my favourite magnum powder. It is more like 2400, than H-110. It would give higher velocites than the the two others, pr grain of powder and at the same pressure. It works well with slightly reduced loads. In the .357 mag, I have used it from 12 to 16 grs, with 160 grs boolit. The upper loads with caution!! At the moment I am loading for a 4 inch S&W mod 19, my favourite load is 13,5 grs N-110, giving 1170 fps with the Mihec 359640.
In the .44 mag, I have used it from 18 to 22 grs, again, upper loads with caution! My favourite load with the Mihec 432640, is 21 grs N-110, gives 1350 fps in my 4 5/8 Ruger SB. Accuracy is very good in my guns. The shooter being the weak link. By the way, i only use standard primers with N-110.

[andym79]

VV-N-110 is my favourite magnum powder. It is more like 2400, than H-110. It would give higher velocites than the the two others, pr grain of powder and at the same pressure. It works well with slightly reduced loads. In the .357 mag, I have used it from 12 to 16 grs, with 160 grs boolit. The upper loads with caution!! At the moment I am loading for a 4 inch S&W mod 19, my favourite load is 13,5 grs N-110, giving 1170 fps with the Mihec 359640.
In the .44 mag, I have used it from 18 to 22 grs, again, upper loads with caution! My favourite load with the Mihec 432640, is 21 grs N-110, gives 1350 fps in my 4 5/8 Ruger SB. Accuracy is very good in my guns. The shooter being the weak link. By the way, i only use standard primers with N-110.

Further verification would be welcome, but it seems VV N110 has more in common with 2400 than H110!
My Lyman book lists N110 as a double based extruded powder and N110 as a double based ball powder.

[jonp]

H110 as a ball?

[C. Latch]

N110 *IS* more like 2400, but with better velocities. It is a near=perfect hot handgun powder; I use it in .45 Colt (Ruger-only) and have found that it has a much broader band across which it is useful, much broader than 2400 and MUCH broader than H110/W296.

It may take 21.0 grains of N110 to equal 20.0 grains of 2400 in most applications, but usually if that 20.0 grains of 2400 is maximum, you can go to 22.0 or maybe even 23.0 with N110, yielding much higher speeds. It probably won't produce the absolute same top end speeds as H110, but it will do more *per grain* and will come very close to H110 top speeds.

For instance, in some applications, if 25.0 grains of H110 is max, you might be able to start at 23.0 grains and work up. You might start at 15 with 2400 and work up to 20. With N110, you might be able to start at 15 grains and work up to 22 - with the 15.0 grain load burning cleaner than mild charges of 2400, and the 22 grain load nipping at the heels of the H110 max load.

Did I mention that it burned very, very clean, to boot?


edit to add: all the charge weights above are hypotheticals. do NOT use those numbers to infer safe load data. There is data out there, for your application, but you have to dig for it. Having a friend with Quickload helps, too.

[aya]

I understand from another tread, that your main interest in N-110, is reduced loads for castboolits in rifles. I have not tried this myself, but the author of an Norwegian loading manual did a lot of testing with this combo some years ago in cal. From 22 Hornet to 375 HH. I looked it up, the only load he list for the 30-30 is, 12 grs N-110 under a Lyman 311041 170 grs at 1384 fps. He list the same boolit in the .308 winchester, 24 grs N-110 at 2200 fps. He used dacron filler in all his N-110 loads. Should be perfect for your calibers.

[dragon813gt]

H110 as a ball?

Yes, it's a flattened spherical powder like W231/HP-38.

[andym79]

I understand from another tread, that your main interest in N-110, is reduced loads for castboolits in rifles. I have not tried this myself, but the author of an Norwegian loading manual did a lot of testing with this combo some years ago in cal. From 22 Hornet to 375 HH. I looked it up, the only load he list for the 30-30 is, 12 grs N-110 under a Lyman 311041 170 grs at 1384 fps. He list the same boolit in the .308 winchester, 24 grs N-110 at 2200 fps. He used dacron filler in all his N-110 loads. Should be perfect for your calibers.

Thanks that its in the ball park for what I am looking for in the 30-30!

Don't suppose that author had any published data for N550 using cast in the 6.5x55?

[aya]

Sorry, no data for N-550, but he lists some loads with the same N-110. Lyman 266455 GC, 130 grs, with 18 to 20 grs N-110, should give from 2010 to 2135 fps. He used dacron fillers in these loads.

[andym79]

Could you please let me know the title of his reloading manual?
Might as well give N110 a go, does he list anything for the Lyman 266469?

[aya]

The reloading manual is " Våpen Journalens Ladebok". This is an older version, nr 2. The one available at the moment, is nr 6, the castbullet loads are not present in the newer versions. The author responsible for those, passed away some years ago. Sorry no loads for 266469 boolit.