Goodby all.

[pdawg_shooter]

I just had a post pulled because I spoke of the abuse of police power in this country. To me, this is an infringement of my first amendment rights. We here, I think, are ardent supporters of the second amendment, but if someone takes exception to what we say our post is pulled. I can not abide by this so I will, with great regret, leave this forum. Goodby to everyone here that I have enjoyed for so long. I wish you all the best, but I stand on ALL my rights, not just the one of the Second Amendment.

[imashooter2]

Bye...

[jmort]

It does blow that a singular group is sacred, sacrosanct, and protected against legitimate criticism for obscene abuses of power. The cry baby whiners have carried the day and irrational censorship now is the rule. Sad.

[swamp]

Just to make it clear. The First amendment says that the Government cannot curtail your speech. Not a private organitation(spelling?) or company. This is one of my pet peeves. People invoking the First amendment out of context.

Thank you for putting up with a small rant.
swamp

[jmort]

Thank you for the Constitutional lesson.

[waksupi]

As glitchy as the board has been recently, I wouldn't put a lot of money on the staff pulling any posts.

[RogerDat]

My house my rules, their house their rules. This is the forum moderators house so I guess they make the rules.
Frankly having a post deleted after 3,700 posts is almost the definition of no harm = no foul.

+1 on the 1st amendment has nothing to do with any private entity such as a forum. You are also constitutionally entitled to a free press but you do have to publish your own paper to exercise it as suits you.

[Bzcraig]

Seems a bit thin skinned to me based on the info provided.

[jmort]

"+1 on the 1st amendment has nothing to do with any private entity such as a forum. You are also constitutionally entitled to a free press but you do have to publish your own paper to exercise it as suits you."

Thank you for further clarifying the First Amendment and it's lack of application to a private forum.

[Elkins45]

Were these police shooting cast boolets?

I'm not an old timer here, so I doubt my opinion has much weight, but it sure seems to me that people would be happier here if they just talked about casting and shooting lead bullets.

[jmort]

The Pit = Politics
Don't go there if you don't like it. The Pit is popular for good reason.

[Bullshop Junior]

The Pit = Politics
Don't go there if you don't like it. The Pit is popular for good reason.

False.

[jmort]

In what regard?

[Bullshop Junior]

The pit has three sub forums, only one of which is political and religious.

It was originally humor and off topic and more for jokes and the likes, and I believe was even taken off the forum at one time when people started posting to much political stuff on it, causing fights and butt hurt.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/petege8y.jpg

[lefty o]

i agree, your in someone else's house here, you follow their rules or hit the road.

[jmort]

O.K. There is a Humor section as well, but the Complaint forum is empty and intended as such. As stated, stay out of the "Political/Religious" section if you are prone to whine and cry.

[Bullshop Junior]

Or you can be like me. I honestly don't give a (enter choice word) so don't go there.

[freebullet]

Adios & good luck.

[zidave]

Bye...

Ditto

[jmort]

Too bad the most useful members/moderators are leaving in droves and we get left with...

[TXGunNut]

Didn't see the post but if it was in the Pit I'm not surprised. If you have a thin skin don't go there. I'm pretty thick-skinned but I don't bother going there. I think one of my threads got moved there but I didn't follow.
With my LEO background comments along those lines don't bother me. Some folks don't or won't understand. No biggie. Getting a post pulled is no biggie, just a gentle reminder of the rules around here.
I hate to see a longtime member leave, but that's the nature of a place like this. Adios, my friend.

[fryboy]

i wouldnt put any money on the staff pulling it either but the question of "did the original poster pull it ? " has now been answered , and the verdict is "no" , the thread in question was in humor and off topic ( at least when i commented on it ) it perhaps should of been in political religious discussion ( perhaps ) but assuredly it was "off topic"

[Catshooter]

Too bad the most useful members/moderators are leaving in droves and we get left with...

Guys like you? I hope not.

If you hate this forum so much and think that the remaining staff are "irrational censors" and the members are "cry baby whiners" (your words) then I'm sure that there must be some other forum that would meet your high intellectual and philosophical standards. The Democratic Underground perhaps.

I can't speak for the rest but this cry baby whiner won't miss you at all. I think that the staff do a great job. A job that is very thankless.

Since I haven't see the "pulled" post I can't comment on it. But it's Willy's house. The First Amendment doesn't apply regardless of what the OP thinks. Too bad, so sad.


Cat

[Lloyd Smale]

yup like was said this is a private owned fourm. Its up to the owner what he allows and also you need to keep in mind that theres police officers on here and post that stereotype them is just as hurtfull as a post that sterotypes an indian, black, catholic or a jewish person. 99 percent of them are good and do a job nobody else wants.

[FISH4BUGS]

O.K. There is a Humor section as well, but the Complaint forum is empty and intended as such. As stated, stay out of the "Political/Religious" section if you are prone to whine and cry.

There is your answer. Not a mystery.
I once had a post pulled and I was put on "probation" because I called someone out for "abusing" a S&S posting. The guy refused to put a price on the item and I was not nice. I got what i deserved.
You are correct, sir, that the freedom of speech is a vital right guaranteed in our constitution. No argument there.
But with all due respect sir, what you seem to not understand is that this right is NOT absolute. You cannot yell FIRE in a crowded theater. You cannot yell "fighting words" to another individual. You cannot slander someone. Not saying you did slander someone but you get the idea....there ARE limits to that freedom.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT ABSOLUTE.....that is a well established legal concept.
This is a privately owned forum, and they set the rules. I didn't see your post, but as one that has suffered the wrath of the mods at one time, I am sure they had their reasons.
I would urge you to calm down, take a deep breath, and understand that they are doing their job as moderators. I would not take it so personally. You apparently said something that went over the top. It is the moderator's job to determine what that "top" is........kind of like trying to define pornography - impossible to define but you know it when you see it.
The nice guy inside me says any reasonably intelligent student of the Constution knows that rights are not absolute and are subject to "reasonable" limitations. They also know that when you have rights, there are unstated responsibilities that go along with those rights.
The guy inside me that doesn't tolerate whiners and crybabys says "...don't let the electronic door hit you in the butt on the way out". I urge you to reconsider, but if you won't, I can assure you, sir, you will NOT be missed.
Otherwise, lick your wounds, rest up, and stay a contributing member. There is a lesson to learn in this.

[Bad Water Bill]

Also keep in mind that most of the MODS DO have a full time job,most are married and have children and none of them get paid 10K rounds of 22LR per day for moderating.

If you honestly think you were wronged contact another moderator and explain why you think you were sanctioned.

Keep in mind that a moderator can also have had a bad day also.

Personally I would never take on their job even if they DID pay 10K 22LR peer day.

And YES even I "the peaceble OLD mule skinner" have been branded a time or two.

[762 shooter]

Also keep in mind that most of the MODS DO have a full time job,most are married and have children and none of them get paid 10K rounds of 22LR per day for moderating.

If you honestly think you were wronged contact another moderator and explain why you think you were sanctioned.

Keep in mind that a moderator can also have had a bad day also.

Personally I would never take on their job even if they DID pay 10K 22LR peer day.

And YES even I "the peaceble OLD mule skinner" have been branded a time or two.


At that payscale, I would like to be a mod for 3 days.

:kidding:

PDawg,

Reconsider. Remember we are all just typing letters on the internet. Some, like you, contribute. Some do not. You know you will miss this site. The Butte Whole coefficient is below the national average here.


762

[Mumblypeg]

yup like was said this is a private owned fourm. Its up to the owner what he allows and also you need to keep in mind that theres police officers on here and post that stereotype them is just as hurtfull as a post that sterotypes an indian, black, catholic or a jewish person. 99 percent of them are good and do a job nobody else wants.

Why thank you kind Sir! Someone finally didn't lump me in with the others ! This thread just shows that even here it is like the rest of the world... we start fighting amongst ourselves... but we get over it or we don't and eventually we all leave here sooner or later anyway. As a older friend of mine said, "If you think you really make a difference just stick your hand in a bucket of water, pull it out and shake it off and determine how much water you removed." There is some exception to that however.... It's always fun to discuss things... even if others( even the mods) don't always agree.... when I leave, I'm not going to tell you.... you don't really care anyway. LOL. Have a nice day..... :-)

[Mik]

What fish4bugs said. If you think you have a constitutional right which gurantees that all of your statements be memorialized for eternity on castboolits...you don't get it.

Hopefully, you come around and realize that you got your feelings hurt, nothing more. You don't have to take your ball and go home.

[swheeler]

PDS; are you sure your post got deleted, did a moderator tell you so? I had trouble here with posts not showing up, try to log on and FFox says CB taking too long try again, message saying site not available, 2-3 sentence post and get a message saying post too short! Just saying something amiss with site for a while now?

[cheese1566]

ditto!!!

Guys like you? I hope not.

If you hate this forum so much and think that the remaining staff are "irrational censors" and the members are "cry baby whiners" (your words) then I'm sure that there must be some other forum that would meet your high intellectual and philosophical standards. The Democratic Underground perhaps.

I can't speak for the rest but this cry baby whiner won't miss you at all. I think that the staff do a great job. A job that is very thankless.

Since I haven't see the "pulled" post I can't comment on it. But it's Willy's house. The First Amendment doesn't apply regardless of what the OP thinks. Too bad, so sad.


Cat

[cheese1566]

double ditto!!
thanks for the support!

yup like was said this is a private owned fourm. Its up to the owner what he allows and also you need to keep in mind that theres police officers on here and post that stereotype them is just as hurtfull as a post that sterotypes an indian, black, catholic or a jewish person. 99 percent of them are good and do a job nobody else wants.

[gray wolf]

PDAWG SHOOTER

My friend I am of the sort that I will / and have / taken some bad whooping's for coming to the defense of others that I thought were wronged.
You have spent a great deal of time in this forum/family, I won't be one to say Adios, cause I do not want you to leave. But I will as a friend --- ask you to Re-consider, WHY ? cause I like you and do not want to see you leave over what seems trivial. I don't know of what post you are talking about and I wont even go and look for it. But, the fact of the matter is, We do not have freedom of speech in a forum or other places for that matter that are run by other people.
It's the old saying ( it's my football and you play the game my way or go home )
There is no other way to look at it.
I can't tell you what to do, you see the responses you got, I wont elaborate on that.
Be the better man and get up, dust yourself off, buck up and carry on.
Don't let the small stuff get the better of you, cause in the end this is really small stuff.
It's child's play in relation to the other problems we have in life. If they pull a post ? who cares, let it be gone.
Reconsider who wins if you leave, sit down and re think the whole thing, then if you must go I truly do say I enjoyed having you here.

Sam

[Ben]

Sam has offered some very good insight !

Ben

[gew98]

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=167

The best forum for seeing how bad 'our' police have become for very obvious and mounting reasons.

[jmort]

"But it's Willy's house."

No it is not. I will not name names, but there is far more/less going on here than you imagine. If you are blissfully ignorant of who left and who is left, good for you. The best mods/members are for the most part gone. There are some seriously good exceptions, but that does not change the facts. I am thankful that some really great mods and members remain but the brain/common sense drain is a huge loss.

[DCP]

If you jump to conclusions, twist facts and don’t allow due process to determine what really happen or push your own personal agenda you are part of the problem. Then you are no deferent than, and are as bad as the bad cops that are really out there.

Always speak the truth even if it leads to your death

[slim1836]

Issues like this can usually be taken care of privately between those affected. If after that, a person leaves, then it's his decision. Many have left for less, and many will be missed.

I won't pass judgment or get in the mix of things. Politics and religion have ruined many relationships not only here but everywhere.

Life is just too short, I've eaten crow when deserved and became a better man from it.

Slim

[Airman Basic]

.............. but the brain/common sense drain is a huge loss.
Don't know whose house this is, but whenever I ask a question, there's always somebody who's been there and done that, and I appreciate the responses. Y'all keep up the good work, 'cause this old country boy cop needs the help.
:lovebooli

[Blacksmith]

Well I guess it is time for me to get my back up because my reply to this thread has disappeared. That makes at least two innocuous replies in two uncontroversial threads recently. I think I will just ignore it until it becomes a problem. If it becomes a problem I will ask the administration what is happening before I go off half cocked. If I find I am being a bad boy I will either modify my behavior or hang my head in shame and leave quietly. After all it is a computer and they occasionally mess up and I am only human and do the same.

[gray wolf]

"But it's Willy's house."

No it is not. I will not name names, but there is far more/less going on here than you imagine. If you are blissfully ignorant of who left and who is left, good for you. The best mods/members are for the most part gone. There are some seriously good exceptions, but that does not change the facts. I am thankful that some really great mods and members remain but the brain/common sense drain is a huge loss.
Good post Sir,
The ice I am standing on is far to thin for me to comment any further.

[jmort]

I figure every time I post, I face being banned, again, or hit with another infraction. I am on double or triple secret probation. But I have much to learn and advancements like dry tumbling Boolits in powder coating with black airsoft BBs in #5 plastic tubs keeps me here. Who knew? But the advances keep coming and I keep learning. So I stay in spite of what I perceive as arbitrary and capricious actions because, again, I have much to learn. At some point I will probably join those who went to the Grey Havens and traveled to Valinor.

[Elkins45]

I'm allowed to be part of an information exchange where I have learned an amazing amount of stuff about making and shooting cast bullets. Even better is the fact that it is free: people just give this information away! 20 years ago this easy exchange of information was virtually impossible. I choose to be grateful for this amazing advance in learning about my favorite hobby.

I came here to learn about boolets. I brought no expectation that I would be provided a platform for my political views, or advice on how to fix my mower, or hair and makeup tips, or ....

I'm still happy to be here.

[nanuk]

on another forum that I had just registered on, someone made a moronic comment about guns being the problem in school shootings... so I called him a moron.

I was sanctioned, and felt wronged as his comment WAS moronic, and therefore he WAS a moron, and I was only telling the truth.

it bothers me when the "Truth" is not allowed to be told, as it may offend someone.


as for the original post being about the comment of police and abuse of power, one only need look around at some events in Canada to see where some Canadian Police Forces are headed.... you can make up your own minds, but it IS the truth!
(there is a reason they are called a "Force" and NOT a service!"


I will echo a couple others here and call on Pdawg to NOT leave this forum. His insight into PaperPatching is very valuable, and is MUCH Appreciated.

[xacex]

I figure every time I post, I face being banned, again, or hit with another infraction. I am on double or triple secret probation. But I have much to learn and advancements like dry tumbling Boolits in powder coating with black airsoft BBs in #5 plastic tubs keeps me here. Who knew? But the advances keep coming and I keep learning. So I stay in spite of what I perceive as arbitrary and capricious actions because, again, I have much to learn. At some point I will probably join those who went to the Grey Havens and traveled to Valinor.

Keep you head low, and your mouth shut seems to work for me for the most part. To bad I am filtered, but my wife says she likes it better that way. I have to go now, someone just raised an eyebrow at me.

[Hamish]

The pit has three sub forums, only one of which is political and religious.

It was originally humor and off topic and more for jokes and the likes, and I believe was even taken off the forum at one time when people started posting to much political stuff on it, causing fights and butt hurt.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/petege8y.jpg


I think we've lost sight of the more important point here,,,,,,,,the Complaint Department is still running like a well oiled machine due to the impressive amount of inattention I have given it as self appointed Moderator,,,,,,,,,

As to the other matter regarding how much diaper rash to be endured,,,,,this forum is somewhat analogous to a community. Any one citizen may not like or be liked by any other citizen or its policies, but one must decide whether to stay and participate or go off and find a new place to live.

(Ahem). What some folks take for butt hurt, many would just chalk up to being a member of the Human Race,,,,,

[waynem34]

I had to get my dictionary out.

[popper]

I was warned a post was inappropriate and would be moved. My post was totally historic but it was moved to the pit. I'm OK with that. I sometimes post 'slightly-related' to a post; many do NOT visit the pit/political, so what I feel important may not get read by the majority. Personally I think we've been given a lot of leeway. This forum is much more sane that several others.

[dtknowles]

on another forum that I had just registered on, someone made a moronic comment about guns being the problem in school shootings... so I called him a moron.

I was sanctioned, and felt wronged as his comment WAS moronic, and therefore he WAS a moron, and I was only telling the truth.

it bothers me when the "Truth" is not allowed to be told, as it may offend someone.


as for the original post being about the comment of police and abuse of power, one only need look around at some events in Canada to see where some Canadian Police Forces are headed.... you can make up your own minds, but it IS the truth!
(there is a reason they are called a "Force" and NOT a service!"


I will echo a couple others here and call on Pdawg to NOT leave this forum. His insight into PaperPatching is very valuable, and is MUCH Appreciated.

I don't believe you were censored for telling the truth but censored for insulting a member. A person is not a moron for making moronic statements. "Moron - A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive." You may have meant a different definition but if you were not clear it is understandable that you were thought to be offensive, even calling him a dolt or stupid might have been out of bounds. You should have focused on the statement and not attacked the individual. The statement was off base and you should have pointed that out and not attacked the speaker. Point to the lie not make another lie yourself, that is my suggestion for get the truth out.

I have called for those in the Law Enforcement to do a better job of policing their ranks as it seems that the abuse of power continues and in some locations is even getting worse. I have said that those that let the abuse continue are as bad as the abusers but I here now take that back. Cleaning up Law Enforcement is not that easy but I hope more effort is applied.

About Pdawg leaving, well see how much attention he is getting. I don't mind him pointing out how a possible new policy is affecting his ability to express himself here. I can't place a value on his presence vs. the presence of those he might offend with his posts. As far as others who have left, I don't seem to miss them. I have not seen some screen names in a while but when I post I don't have a expectation on who will reply.

Tim

[Mod42]

I think we would be a lot better off if we just stuck to boolit casting, Then there would be a lot less of this butt hurt BS to contend with!!

[waynem34]

Call in The Internal Affairs Division.

[JSnover]

I didn't see the offending post but there are a lot of LE personnel here and some of them are moderators. Pdawg shouldn't be surprised, if he managed to rile enough of them up.
Would he have been happier if the post was left up there, to turn that area into even more of a s#!+ fight than it normally is?

[ssnow]

Years ago back in my racing days, I served as a moderator on a popular racing site. All too often, someone would complain that that the staff was violating their First Amendment rights, whenever we took action against their posts.

Yes, there is always some champion of justice who thinks his right of free speech is being infringed, without realizing (or sometimes realizing but not caring) that he is trampling on the private property rights of others. For the member who has not thought this through, who does not realize the conflict in his statements, he can learn, and be better for it.

For those who do not care, for those who continue to show so little respect for the private property rights of the owner as to continue to break the rules, then there is nothing to do but show them the door, and the forum will be better for it. No matter their knowledge base, the trouble and dissention caused by failure to obey the rules is not worth it.

Pdawg, realize that you are mistaken. Realize that your First Amendment rights have not been infringed. Realize that the owner has the right to set the rules, and that we as guests should abide by them. Realize that censorship in your house is your right, that you control what happens in your house, and then realize it applies to this site owner also, here in his house.

Own up to the mistake, learn form it, and stay with us. You obviously enjoy the forum to have made so many posts. Why throw that away over a mistake?

[Ajax]

If personal opinions are not welcome why have a area where your opinion is all there is to post.

Andy

[jaystuw]

This is a neat thread. I like the colorful characters that walk the tight rope with every post, knowing they risk falling into cast boolit oblivion.

Some of this stuff keeps me on the edge of my seat, It really is pure gold. Jay

[MT Gianni]

I figure every time I post, I face being banned, again, or hit with another infraction. I am on double or triple secret probation. But I have much to learn and advancements like dry tumbling Boolits in powder coating with black airsoft BBs in #5 plastic tubs keeps me here. Who knew? But the advances keep coming and I keep learning. So I stay in spite of what I perceive as arbitrary and capricious actions because, again, I have much to learn. At some point I will probably join those who went to the Grey Havens and traveled to Valinor.


I will disagree with the best Mods being gone, there are some very good ones working hard as some seem to keep them busier than a full time job. If you have a lot to learn and live in fear of a ban keep your comments in a learning mode about cast boolits and you will be here decades without problems. If you belittle others in a group or personally and cannot abide others having a different opinion than yourself your time might be short. It is all up to you not the mods.

[jonas302]

If it doesn't have to do with cast boolits don't post it here how much more simple could it be these whiny goodbye posts should be pulled also

[JSnover]

If personal opinions are not welcome why have a area where your opinion is all there is to post.

Andy

Personal opinions are welcome... But a tactful, respectful presentation goes a long way towards maintaining order.
The only way to eliminate all complaints is to switch to an moderated forum and let anybody post anything. If that happens I'm outta here.

[jmort]

"I will disagree with the best Mods being gone..."


I never said that or implied that. That is unfair. Taking a clear statement and falsely claiming it to be categorical is wrong to an extreme. Using what was clearly stated and then twisting what was said in an apparent effort to offend moderators who never should have been offended in the first place is trouble making. Verbatim, I stated that: "The best mods/members are for the most part gone. There are some seriously good exceptions, but that does not change the facts. I am thankful that some really great mods and members remain but the brain/common sense drain is a huge loss." In the seminal words of Ed Lover, "C'mon, son" - to believe there has not been a brain/common sense drain is playing pretend.

[OBIII]

Does anyone have a link to the "Hurt Feelings" report that should be mandatory for all who feel that they have been wronged?
Making a "Moronic" statement is not saying that someone is a "Moron", rather, perhaps they should think prior to taking pen to pad. As far as the OP's issue, there is not enough evidence as to what precisely happened for any of us to sit in judgement.

OB

[bearcove]

Post deleted.

I quit giving an opinion online. Too many people listening. Most work for the gov't.

[starmac]

I guess that I don't see that the some of the best mods are gone. I do see some that I thought were great mods have quit moderating for some reason, possibly just ready for a break, but they and their knowledge are still here, I might have missed some, as I do not normally look to see if a person is a mod or not. I may have also missed some leaving, but all I have noticed is a handfull, some I really liked, but I wouldn't actually say they were the best or brightest, there is a lot of knowledge here, and those I really look forward to their info is still posting.

[imashooter2]

Is this still going? I thought I had it covered in post 2. :roll:

[500MAG]

"I will disagree with the best Mods being gone..."


I never said that or implied that. That is unfair. Taking a clear statement and falsely claiming it to be categorical is wrong to an extreme. Using what was clearly stated and then twisting what was said in an apparent effort to offend moderators who never should have been offended in the first place is trouble making. Verbatim, I stated that: "The best mods/members are for the most part gone. There are some seriously good exceptions, but that does not change the facts. I am thankful that some really great mods and members remain but the brain/common sense drain is a huge loss." In the seminal words of Ed Lover, "C'mon, son" - to believe there has not been a brain/common sense drain is playing pretend.

I don't know who your speaking about when it comes to members being gone but I do know I miss seeing Jim's posts. Don't know if anything happened to him and I hope he is ok.

[GhostHawk]

This is an internet community, fact.
In internet community's people come, and people go, fact.

Everything else is hot air.

All you can really do is love those worthy of the attention while they are here.
Try to let them know you appreciate them being here. Heck EVERYONE likes to be appreciated.

And if someone goes, raise one in their honor, miss them, and hope they come back someday.

That is it. End of story.

Saying a place has gone to !@#$ because soandso, and himandher left is not only counter productive, its a waste of everyones time and bandwidth.

People change, people get old, sometimes there just gets to be too much noise, confusion and drama.
If you stick around one place long enough, everything changes.

[jmort]

Spoken like someone who has been here for a few weeks.

[leeggen]

I beleive a short time ago there was a thread that most were comminting that the mods needed to tighten up on their job and start clearing out some of the problems. Also the new owner/s may have ask them to do just that. So if you aafend someone then you will stand a chance of punishment.
I feel some have left do to feeling they needed to support the old owner/s, I don't know for sure but I do remember the thread abou tightening up on the moderation of threads.
Good and bad come and go, people just get in a rut and need to change something, so they change here. I think the pit needs to go, seems people leaveing were there and got upset and decided to leave. I don't recall one member that left cause he got upset with what was being said about casting and shooting boolits, not even when it was about jacketed.
ook my 2 cents is over and time to go surffing.
CD

[Bullshop Junior]

If it doesn't have to do with cast boolits don't post it here how much more simple could it be these whiny goodbye posts should be pulled also

Ditto.

[Bullshop Junior]

Wait wait wait. New owners?

[jmort]

"I don't recall one member that left cause he got upset with what was being said about casting and shooting boolits, not even when it was about jacketed."


​Really?

[MBTcustom]

Just a minute fellers. I'll face forward and tell you straight up that I was the moderator that pulled that thread. Also, I sent pdogshooter a respectful message telling him that I had pulled it and apologizing for having to do it.
I did not mean to infringe on anyone rights, but the fact is that the subject matter was of an extremely inflammatory nature. Threads like these have warranted moderator attention so often, that the site owner made the call that these things are to be curtailed as they hinder the reason we all come together in the first place. If it were possible for your average boolit caster to discuss these loaded issues without getting their feelings hurt, then they would be allowed, but the membership has proven otherwise.

The reason we are here is to discuss casting lead projectiles, and since without that, we have nothing, then our job as Moderators is to protect that by removing things that are detrimental to it.
It seems that some members have a problem with authority in any form that it may manifest itself. If you thought this is the wild west where there are no rules, I hate to disappoint you.
If you are here to talk about cast boolits, then pull up a chair, and let me get you a cup of coffee!!!
If you are here to start inflammatory threads where people can hate anyone who wears a badge or has the job of keeping the piece, then you are not welcome. I'm sure there are entire forums that are dedicated to helping you build your hatred till your misery has reached the point that you are ready to actually do something about it, instead of being a thorn in the side of every person who has the job of creating a relatively safe, fun, and peaceful community for you, be it your local hometown PD or the moderators here that make this place different than any other forum out there.
Tell me, why do you wish to sling your mud here? Why not on some other forum where such things are allowed or even encouraged?
I'll tell you why. It's because it wouldn't be any fun over there with people who wont fight with you.

I went to you like a man Pdog, and apologized for having to close your thread. Nothing was underhanded or done maliciously.
So you have a problem with authority that just sticks it to you, but then when I come to you in a way that is much more respectful and discrete you slather it all over the forum and nail yourself to a cross publicly?!?!?
I'm a friend to the people of this forum, and you could have come to me with the same respect that I came to you, but you chose this path instead.

You knew it was me who removed your thread, but you didn't even do me the courtesy of mentioning me by name. Were you just so afraid of the retribution from the "law" (evil bunch, we are), that you just couldn't PM me and settle it in private?
Now I come here just now, and find yet another disaster, and all the haters piling in on cue. Why are you doing this fellers? You're not dealing with some strange force from above, you're dealing with ME.
Not a single PM have I gotten from any of you, in spite of all I have done for the membership here proving that I am here to help you with honest intentions.
If you have a problem, please pm me and lets get it worked out before you get all bent out of shape. Why let something build up till you hate it here? Why not have a conversation with me? Even if nothing is able to be done, you might understand my position better, and if there is something reasonable that could be done, I would certainly do it!

[imashooter2]

"I don't recall one member that left cause he got upset with what was being said about casting and shooting boolits, not even when it was about jacketed."


​Really?

Maybe a guy that would leave a board over a disagreement in a casting discussion isn't very memorable...

[RugerFan]

Wait wait wait. New owners?

Apparently so. I just realized this the other day. Above 45Nut's avatar it says "Founder/B.O.B." rather than "Owner." I saw the Owner tag under someone else's handle, but I forget who. I guess I was snoozing during the change of command ceremony.

[Bullshop Junior]

Apparently so. I just realized this the other day. Above 45Nut's avatar it says "Founder/B.O.B." rather than "Owner." I saw the Owner tag under someone else's handle, but I forget who. I guess I was snoozing during the change of command ceremony.

Yea. Apparently I missed that as well. Who owns it now?

[btroj]

"I don't recall one member that left cause he got upset with what was being said about casting and shooting boolits, not even when it was about jacketed."


​Really?

I know of a few

I may be one of them soon

[Bullshop Junior]

Everyone has their own opinion. Human race. We learn to deal with it or we would be extinct.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Wait wait wait. New owners?


Apparently so. I just realized this the other day. Above 45Nut's avatar it says "Founder/B.O.B." rather than "Owner." I saw the Owner tag under someone else's handle, but I forget who. I guess I was snoozing during the change of command ceremony.

see the TOS (terms of service), it's just to the left of the Google custom search...or click this link
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/cmps_index.php?page=TOS

[Hamish]

And *still* no "attaboy", now MY butt hurts,,,,,,,,

Time to lock this one up now?

[jmort]

You are awesomeness Hamish.

[Bad Water Bill]

And *still* no "attaboy"

ATTABOY

:bigsmyl2:

A great avatar

[alrighty]

see the TOS (terms of service), it's just to the left of the Google custom search...or click this link
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/cmps_index.php?page=TOS

All I see is the I am not authorized message when I click on the T.O.S.

[Bad Water Bill]

All I see is the I am not authorized message when I click on the T.O.S.

Hope this helps.


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[Piedmont]

MT Gianni posted in this thread and it says emeritus by his name and title, so he retired, too.

[Bad Water Bill]

MT Gianni posted in this thread and it says emeritus by his name and title, so he retired, too.

You have to watch that young fellow.

Some times he is a MODERATOR and sometimes he ain't.

Kinda like an undercover agent.:bigsmyl2:

[Mooseman]

The Terms of Service are accessible at the top bar below the ads.
4. WE RESERVE THE RIGHT to refuse access to anyone that promotes undesirable attitudes, is adversarial towards the members/moderators/admins or is just generally socially unacceptable.
5) No Commercial Advertisement will be posted on threads unless it has been previously approved in writing (this includes signature links) OR you have purchased one of our advertising subscriptions. Chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are inappropriate in this community. We reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason.

It is unfortunate that we seem to have a few members that constantly post "Bad Cop" threads that the Moderators feel is Baiting / trolling and bashing a profession of which we have many LEO on this forum both active and retired and we feel in the best interest of the forum that we stop it. There is a sticky by Wiljen in the pit about it. As an ex-LEO myself I have thick skin and I know there are bad cops , as in any other profession there are good and bad. We arent going to solve that problem in the Pit , and we dont need hard feelings between members on this forum , so the Moderators will continue to do what the owner wants us to do. If you are here to help build a good community and not cause problems , all you have to do is abide by the rules, think BEFORE you post, and dont stir the pot or keep breaking the rules. People have been bypassing the profanity filters and we arent going to allow it. We believe in decency and we know there are people from all over the world reading here, children of all ages, and there are those "anti- types" that will do their best to glean ammunition from posts to use against gun owners , I have seen it done.
We discuss actions we take between staff so our members get a fair decision and our pm's are always open. We want People here that want to be here and help build a great community of like minded individuals , casters, shooters, and gun Gurus and teach others along the way.That was Ken's Dream for this and it should be yours too...
Rich

[NewbieDave007]

Mooseman,

How dare you use logic and have rules for the betterment of the membership?!?!

Yours truly,
Troublemaker

[Bad Water Bill]

Mooseman,

How dare you use logic and have rule for the betterment of the membership?!?!

Yours truly,
Troublemaker


Please leave a :bigsmyl2: or :kidding: so everyone understands you are having fun and not trying to be critical.

Some folks do need help.:-)

[NewbieDave007]

It was/is purple and sarcastic but....

:kidding::kidding::kidding::bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2::bi gsmyl2:

[Mooseman]

I am smart enough to know the difference...Others I can't vouch for !

[RugerFan]

It is unfortunate that we seem to have a few members that constantly post "Bad Cop" threads that the Moderators feel is Baiting / trolling and bashing a profession of which we have many LEO on this forum both active and retired and we feel in the best interest of the forum that we stop it. There is a sticky by Wiljen in the pit about it. As an ex-LEO myself I have thick skin and I know there are bad cops , as in any other profession there are good and bad. We arent going to solve that problem in the Pit , and we dont need hard feelings between members on this forum , so the Moderators will continue to do what the owner wants us to do. If you are here to help build a good community and not cause problems , all you have to do is abide by the rules, think BEFORE you post, and dont stir the pot or keep breaking the rules. People have been bypassing the profanity filters and we arent going to allow it. We believe in decency and we know there are people from all over the world reading here, children of all ages, and there are those "anti- types" that will do their best to glean ammunition from posts to use against gun owners , I have seen it done.
We discuss actions we take between staff so our members get a fair decision and our pm's are always open. We want People here that want to be here and help build a great community of like minded individuals , casters, shooters, and gun Gurus and teach others along the way.That was Ken's Dream for this and it should be yours too...
Rich


Well said. A big thanks to the moderators here for all the hard work.

[Bad Water Bill]

HE--HE
I fully understand but there a lot of other folks that do not understand what PURPLE means so a :bigsmyl2: or :kidding: should give them a clue.

Our overworked MODERATORS need all the help we can provide.

[NewbieDave007]

HE--HE
I fully understand but there a lot of other folks that do not understand what PURPLE means so a :bigsmyl2: or :kidding: should give them a clue.

Our overworked MODERATORS need all the help we can provide.

Agreed.

I did type out a long response about threads like this but proof read it and thought it could be seen as inflammatory so I deleted it before I posted it. Not worth my time or the Mods time to deal with nonsense.

[JeffinNZ]

How quickly people forget they are GUESTS.

[Ajax]

I would say treat this place like your parents. If your dad days he don't want to hear it then it is law. I would also say to not post something you wouldn't want your mother or daughters to read.

Andy

[FISH4BUGS]

Just a minute fellers. I'll face forward and tell you straight up that I was the moderator that pulled that thread. Also, I sent pdogshooter a respectful message telling him that I had pulled it and apologizing for having to do it.
I did not mean to infringe on anyone rights, but the fact is that the subject matter was of an extremely inflammatory nature. Threads like these have warranted moderator attention so often, that the site owner made the call that these things are to be curtailed as they hinder the reason we all come together in the first place. If it were possible for your average boolit caster to discuss these loaded issues without getting their feelings hurt, then they would be allowed, but the membership has proven otherwise.

The reason we are here is to discuss casting lead projectiles, and since without that, we have nothing, then our job as Moderators is to protect that by removing things that are detrimental to it.
It seems that some members have a problem with authority in any form that it may manifest itself. If you thought this is the wild west where there are no rules, I hate to disappoint you.
If you are here to talk about cast boolits, then pull up a chair, and let me get you a cup of coffee!!!
If you are here to start inflammatory threads where people can hate anyone who wears a badge or has the job of keeping the piece, then you are not welcome. I'm sure there are entire forums that are dedicated to helping you build your hatred till your misery has reached the point that you are ready to actually do something about it, instead of being a thorn in the side of every person who has the job of creating a relatively safe, fun, and peaceful community for you, be it your local hometown PD or the moderators here that make this place different than any other forum out there.
Tell me, why do you wish to sling your mud here? Why not on some other forum where such things are allowed or even encouraged?
I'll tell you why. It's because it wouldn't be any fun over there with people who wont fight with you.

I went to you like a man Pdog, and apologized for having to close your thread. Nothing was underhanded or done maliciously.
So you have a problem with authority that just sticks it to you, but then when I come to you in a way that is much more respectful and discrete you slather it all over the forum and nail yourself to a cross publicly?!?!?
I'm a friend to the people of this forum, and you could have come to me with the same respect that I came to you, but you chose this path instead.

You knew it was me who removed your thread, but you didn't even do me the courtesy of mentioning me by name. Were you just so afraid of the retribution from the "law" (evil bunch, we are), that you just couldn't PM me and settle it in private?
Now I come here just now, and find yet another disaster, and all the haters piling in on cue. Why are you doing this fellers? You're not dealing with some strange force from above, you're dealing with ME.
Not a single PM have I gotten from any of you, in spite of all I have done for the membership here proving that I am here to help you with honest intentions.
If you have a problem, please pm me and lets get it worked out before you get all bent out of shape. Why let something build up till you hate it here? Why not have a conversation with me? Even if nothing is able to be done, you might understand my position better, and if there is something reasonable that could be done, I would certainly do it!

You know, some people just don't get it. The OP is one of those. You gave him more than he deserved, and listened to his rant. It is clear there is an issue with authority here.
As a sponsor member, I am asking you to please thank him for his contributions (you DID give him a chance to man up) ask him to leave and lock this thread.
I went over the line once and got smacked down for it. Rather than keep fighting and arguing, I took my medicine and learned from it. Perhaps the OP might consider the same.

[garym1a2]

Go read some threads on bullet lube or twists rates. They make the "The Pit" look tame.

"I don't recall one member that left cause he got upset with what was being said about casting and shooting boolits, not even when it was about jacketed."


​Really?

[Ajax]

I second or third locking the thread it is going nowhere fast.

Andy

[garandsrus]

I am no longer a moderator, so please remove me from the list above.

Thanks,
John

[MT Gianni]

You have to watch that young fellow.

Some times he is a MODERATOR and sometimes he ain't.

Kinda like an undercover agent.:bigsmyl2:
BWB, I asked to step down due to time constraints. No1 thankfully accepted my status move to "Emeritus".

[DoubleAdobe]

I am no longer a moderator, so please remove me from the list above.

Thanks,
John
Yes, I believe that list needs some editing, and has for awhile now.
I do understand there are some technical issues going on with the forums so it is not forefront now, but the list has been stale for a while. I do understand there are ongoing changes, but that roster is misleading and not helpful and is kind of less than respectful to some that served and vice versa.
With that said, as retired LE, I personally am supportive of current moderation policies.

[gray wolf]

I have a lot to say, sometimes people like it, sometimes people do not. So let me say one more thing about threads like this.
If they were shut down right from the get go we would not have this back and forth mess we are dealing with now, and that has nothing to do with right and wrong, who is upside down and who is sideways.
It turns into choosing sides, a mentality I will never get my head around, and trust me I have tried.
We talk about baiting, --when these threads go on many times some post walk the fine line of baiting.
I think the PM that was sent by Tim was a way over the top GOOD PM and bless him for his tact in the matter.

Let the issues be dealt with in PM,s What is wrong with a Mod saying:
Hey !! you have an issue ? then take it up with us, or we have an issue and we are taking it up with you.
( as long as the issues are looked at fairly what is wrong with that )
I mean really who needs to have 5 or 6 pages of this nonsense, that goes no place, solves nothing, and just agitates folks further.
I for one do not need this soap Opera kind of back and forth he said, she said, we think maybe, could be.
Many things in the past could have been avoided simply by not having them start in the first place.
Catch Em early and put a lid on it, let all the back and forth be done in PM,s
ALSO, everyone keeps insisting that we need the pit, WHY ?, Are we that starved to talk about political stuff that we can't do to much about anyway ?
It's like a masochistic thing for the forum, someone must be getting off on it, WHO ? think about that.
If I had a pocket with a hole in it I sure wouldn't put my money in it, I would sew it up or get rid of the pants.

[Moonie]

I must say a thank you to the owner and mods, if some do not understand that this is YOUR house and they are merely guests then good riddance. I do not expect to be able to say inflammatory things in another persons house and get away with it, in fact I would expect something to be said if I was out of line and would respect them for it.

I worked for a pizza place that had to institute a rule of the employees not being able to drink alcohol when coming in the restaurant as patrons because they would get abusive to the regular patrons due to them feeling it was their restaurant... I believe the same may happen here.

I enjoy being here, I may not agree with everything everyone has to say but I always try to remember to be respectful of others. If you cannot remember that property rights trump first amendment (and second amendment) rights then perhaps you do not belong with those that do understand that. You come to my house and talk **** to me and you will be asked (perhaps not nicely) to leave. The only first amendment rights I recognize on my property are my own.

[jcwit]

Lets not forget tho that without the "guests" there will be no "house" to go to.

[Bullshop Junior]

No one ever says anything about all the good cops.

[oneokie]

ALSO, everyone keeps insisting that we need the pit, WHY ?,

Why?

Because without the PIT, we Moderators would be chasing our tails trying to keep up with threads/posts that should not be in any other forum on the site.

Ken (45nut), in his infinite wisdom, created that forum so that people would have an area to vent their bile without cluttering up the other forums.

[searcher4851]

Ken (45nut), in his infinite wisdom, created that forum so that people would have an area to vent their bile without cluttering up the other forums.

I'm a bit confused now.
Sounds like the OP went to the designated area, "vented his bile" and was "reprimanded" for doing so. I reckon he probably felt like the bosses were taking sides against him and got his feathers ruffled.
That being said, from everything I have seen here, I'm sure Tim handled the matter with diplomacy and in a gentlemanly fashion, as I've never seen any evidence that would lead to believe he would do otherwise.
I guess I just don't understand how anyone can get upset about posting something about something other than cast boolits on the cast boolits forum, and getting upset about it not being considered relevant or adding to the forum.
But I might just be a little slow.

[Hamish]

Back in post 78 I mentioned locking the thread, but I'm awfully glad it was'nt. Too many good posts. And personally, I think that some of this "stuff" has been better dealt with by being out in the sunshine anyway. Everyone sees the problem and how it was dealt with, and now everybody sees that we're all on the same side,,,,,,

[oneokie]

I'm a bit confused now.
Sounds like the OP went to the designated area, "vented his bile" and was "reprimanded" for doing so. I reckon he probably felt like the bosses were taking sides against him and got his feathers ruffled.
That being said, from everything I have seen here, I'm sure Tim handled the matter with diplomacy and in a gentlemanly fashion, as I've never seen any evidence that would lead to believe he would do otherwise.
I guess I just don't understand how anyone can get upset about posting something about something other than cast boolits on the cast boolits forum, and getting upset about it not being considered relevant or adding to the forum.
But I might just be a little slow.

If one reads the sticky's on the first page of the P&R forum, one will see a thread by wiljen about discussions pertaining to specific professions.

[searcher4851]

Thank you for clearing that up for me, oneokie. Needless to say, I don't spend much time there in the "pit". I think I may have been there for the humor section once. I prefer to spend my time here learning about our hobby, and helping others if and when I can.

[jcwit]

No one ever says anything about all the good cops.

Not true, there have been more than a few threads and comments about good cops and the good deeds they have done.

Do a search for "good cop".

[NavyVet1959]

I've only received a single warning (so far) since I've been here. I didn't agree with it, but that's just tough luck, I guess. This place is still a lot better than other sites that I frequent. Probably the worst site I've seen is The High Road. It seems that posts are always disappearing over there or threads being locked by the censors.

[NavyVet1959]

Thank you for clearing that up for me, oneokie. Needless to say, I don't spend much time there in the "pit". I think I may have been there for the humor section once. I prefer to spend my time here learning about our hobby, and helping others if and when I can.

I often click on "new posts" and if I see a topic that interests me or a post that I totally disagree with, I just *have* to reply. Often that results with me in The Pit even though I didn't originally intend on going there.

[DR Owl Creek]

Pdawg,

I just wanted to say THANK YOU for all your work and the good information you provided about paper patching! I also really appreciate your kind offer to help with anything along the way!

Thanks again,

Dave

[starmac]

No one ever says anything about all the good cops.

They do when they make the news, which is not near as common as bad cops making news. Iirc there is a thread now about two cops pushing a vet in a broke down wheel chair home, over a mile iirc. Sadly these do not show up in the news very much. For the most part being a good cop is not news, but being a bad one is.

[Elkins45]

I've only received a single warning (so far) since I've been here. I didn't agree with it, but that's just tough luck, I guess. This place is still a lot better than other sites that I frequent. Probably the worst site I've seen is The High Road. It seems that posts are always disappearing over there or threads being locked by the censors.

The aggressive moderation is one of the things I like best about THR because it holds down the noise from both the antis and the mall ninjas. Having said that, my impression is that such heavy handedness is rarely needed here, at least in the forums that are actually on the topic of bullet casting.

Different neighborhoods need need different levels of supervision. This is more like Mayberry. THR is more like Detroit. Arfcom is more like Beruit.

[Bullshop Junior]

That is something else I never understood about the lot. Why does everyone copy news articals to bring over? We all see it every day when we open google or yahoo.

[NavyVet1959]

That is something else I never understood about the lot. Why does everyone copy news articals to bring over? We all see it every day when we open google or yahoo.

It's the same as when you're at the office getting coffee and you say to your coworker, "Did you see that article about XXXX in the paper today? What are those idiots thinking?"...

[kayak1]

The pit has three sub forums, only one of which is political and religious.

It was originally humor and off topic and more for jokes and the likes, and I believe was even taken off the forum at one time when people started posting to much political stuff on it, causing fights and butt hurt.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/petege8y.jpg


You need to charge your phone.

[Bullshop Junior]

It's the same as when you're at the office getting coffee and you say to your coworker, "Did you see that article about XXXX in the paper today? What are those idiots thinking?"...

Yea, I don't do that.

[Bullshop Junior]

You need to charge your phone.

Lol, that made my day.

[gsdelong]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/screenshot.png

[MBTcustom]

The aggressive moderation is one of the things I like best about THR because it holds down the noise from both the antis and the mall ninjas. Having said that, my impression is that such heavy handedness is rarely needed here, at least in the forums that are actually on the topic of bullet casting.

Different neighborhoods need need different levels of supervision. This is more like Mayberry. THR is more like Detroit. Arfcom is more like Beruit.

We do not use "aggressive moderation" here unless we have no other alternative.
My fellow Moderators and I operate on the belief that we are in the company of gentlemen who are both wise and experienced. I refuseto think of anyone here as a rabble rouser or anything less than a respectable gentleman, unless you take great pains to convince me otherwise. Our goal here is to trim the grass, mend the fences, and enjoy comradery with you. It bothers me when I have to act like a referee just to make it so you all can enjoy what has been created here, and I will not do it unless there is no alternative.
I would much rather PM you and ask you to consider modifying your behavior here, than send you an official warning or an infraction, and if I have a choice in the matter I will pursue that course of action. My goal here is to keep you out of trouble, not get you into it.
The way I see it, you are each grown adult men who are by your very nature, responsible and conscientious. I figure that most of you are better men than I, and I try to show respect accordingly.
I'm sorry that pdogshooter has chosen to walk away rather than just get along, as he has helped me quite a bit as well. I don't expect everyone here to conduct themselves like fairy god mothers, I just wish we could shy away from subjects that we:
1. have no control over.
2. cannot solve here.
3. offend some members deeply
4. cause permanent hard feelings
5. distract from the original reason we are here.

There's no reason to walk away. All I'm asking is that you try to keep your hard feelings directed at people other than the ones who care about you.
Several times this year, I have had a conversation with someone who has absolutely decided to hate someone over something that was said here on this forum, or because of their opinion on how ammunition loaded with boolits really works. That's ridiculous! I'll take a different view point than you do on occasion, but if I thought it would destroy a good friendship, I would shoot jacketed bullets and hang up my ladle for good. It's not worth destroying the relationships that matter most.

I mean think about it, when in recent history have we been under so much attack nationally? Why oh why would we waste a single keystroke arguing amongst ourselves when there are so many who want to destroy us?!?!?
To me, unity is the most important thing in this sport, and I'm trying to preserve that as best I can.
What more can I do? In what way are my priorities out of line?

[rockrat]

To the Moderators!!!

Thanks

You do a GREAT JOB, and I appreciate it.


Oh, please keep the PIT. I get some great jokes there and enjoy the pic of the day sometimes( and wishing others I could just delete the pic I just saw and erase it from my brain. Some of you are CRUEL:kidding:.


This is still my #1 site.


And I agree with others, I think its time now to LOCK IT.

[oneokie]

To the Moderators!!!

Thanks

You do a GREAT JOB, and I appreciate it.


Oh, please keep the PIT. I get some great jokes there and enjoy the pic of the day sometimes( and wishing others I could just delete the pic I just saw and erase it from my brain. Some of you are CRUEL:kidding:.


This is still my #1 site.


And I agree with others, I think its time now to LOCK IT.

On a side note--thread drift tangent, I have a small part time business of making and selling sharp sticks for poking ones minds eye out.

If interested, PM me and we will discuss the details. 8-)

[NewbieDave007]

On a side note--thread drift tangent, I have a small part time business of making and selling sharp sticks for poking ones minds eye out.

If interested, PM me and we will discuss the details. 8-)

^^^lol. Sounds like a winner. Lol

[Roosters]

I’m leaving I’m leaving threads should be posted in the Pit !!:popcorn:

[Bullshop Junior]

I’m leaving I’m leaving threads should be posted in the Pit !!:popcorn:

True that. Just more whiners looking for attention.

[Smoke4320]

no you heard sharp stick to impale :)

[fryboy]

so ..in fairness then no good cop threads should be allowed anymore either .....after all fair is fair [shrugz]

[smoked turkey]

Tim, thank you for your thoughtful words regarding how we should feel about others, and more to the ones we rub elbows with here on castboolits. We do have a common thread that binds us together. I think the anti-s would love to see how we sometimes tear each other up over nits and other little things. It is commendable that people here are so passionate about how they feel about certain things. However I think we have seen that when we put ourselves and our feelings and our rights above everyone else's, that problems occur. We need to focus on the things that bring us together and what we do agree on than the things that divide us. I am sure that our common ground and our agreements on issues far out weigh those we disagree on. Sometimes we need to realize that opinions are like belly buttons..everyone has one. And just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I need to rush to the keyboard to tell everyone about it. Thanks again Tim. You and the other moderators do a fantastic job.

[bearcove]

To the Moderators!!!

Thanks

You do a GREAT JOB, and I appreciate it.


Oh, please keep the PIT. I get some great jokes there and enjoy the pic of the day sometimes( and wishing others I could just delete the pic I just saw and erase it from my brain. Some of you are CRUEL:kidding:.


This is still my #1 site.


And I agree with others, I think its time now to LOCK IT.

I agree with this except locking it. This clears the air a bit and we can go back to doing our thing.

If some want to get up in arms, OH WELL. I still like CB

[smokeywolf]

Having spent a comparatively small percentage of my adult life in law enforcement and most of my life in the company of family and friends who made a career in LE, I am very aware that there are too many bad cops out there.

Great grandfather was a New York mounted police officer and at some point during his career migrated to the West Coast and became chief of police of Compton, CA.

Although sensitive to the oft times statistically unsupported and unreasonable blasts against cops seen on the forum, I see them as a good way to differentiate those who are rational minded and those who are not.

In many cases, in order to be in a position to help people, one needs to occupy a position of power. At the same time, those without such good intentions are attracted to positions where for their own gratification, they can assert power over others.

This is plain old Psych 1A. Be it in law enforcement, politics, your office or job site or on internet forums, there are those with good intentions and those with bad.

As with your town, this forum needs some policing. You may not agree with how much policing is practiced or the parameters used by the Moderators, but without the Mods, chaos would ensue and those of us who are here for the educational value and the comradery, would be driven out by those who's prime motivation for being here is the entertainment value they receive from just stirring the pot.

It is times and threads like this that make me miss Jim and Felix and Char-Gar. They have always been voices of reason. Would love to hear Recuse's thoughts on this thread. However, his wisdom is not just in what to say, but also in when to jump in and say it.

With regard to the methods and motivations used by our Moderators, I'll not comment on all, but goodsteel's intentions and motivations are the best and in my opinion and (not meaning to quote J.D.) above reproach.

Enough for now.

smokeywolf

[shooter93]

Seven pages and counting....wow. I like the pit as well as this whole site. I talked with Ken at length one time about the political section. ken is very politically aware and always had a site or news article to share. I think he enjoyed the Pit and figured many others would too and it often alerts others to laws, bills up for consideration etc. that they may otherwise miss. He also put the WARNING there for a reason and it's a good one. With that being said I don't see a need to abuse any one person or profession. Nothing wrong with alerting others in the hope that people who live in that area would raise a local fuss to have the situation corrected. It doesn't mean every LEO is bad.
Crooked cops, judges etc. are some of the worst people on this planet and life imprisonment is the minimum sentence as far as I'm concerned. They have stolen public trust that may never be restored but the vast majority are not crooked. Another group the infuriates me are crooked builders....why?....because I am a builder and I'm extremely vocal locally about the bad ones. Cost me a membership in the Builder Association here that my family help found. It doesn't hurt to bring these things to people's attention but it can be done without demeaning the group or any individual at this site. Tempers may flare and I believe generally a moderator will talk to the offender in private first. If the behavior continues you may get a "time out" If you do....don't be so thinned skinned.
It's an internet Forum. You can learn a lot here. I don't think there is much abuse going on here or at least I haven't noticed it. The worst abuse of a member here that I've seen wasn't even in the PIT. There is no need to change or abolish the Pit. Try to use a little common sense and manners and don't be thin skinned. It just isn't all that difficult.

[SharpsShooter]

..........what a soap opera.........

SS

[Bad Water Bill]

Off topic a bit but you reminded me of the last home my folks bought.

Dad had a hard time mounting new windows over the kitchen sink.

He could not find studs .

Several years after he passed mom asked me to remodel her kitchen.

All of the supposed studs were horizontal instead of vertical.

I drilled a 1/16" hole EVERY inch for over 8' looking for a support to hang the new cabinets.

Do not even ask about the electrical wiring.

Yes the house has been inspected and sold 2 X since then.

[ourflat]

Agree with lock!

[DCP]

Off topic a bit but you reminded me of the last home my folks bought.

Dad had a hard time mounting new windows over the kitchen sink.

He could not find studs .

Several years after he passed mom asked me to remodel her kitchen.

All of the supposed studs were horizontal instead of vertical.

I drilled a 1/16" hole EVERY inch for over 8' looking for a support to hang the new cabinets.

Do not even ask about the electrical wiring.

Yes the house has been inspected and sold 2 X since then.

:holysheep:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

[762 shooter]

Thread Killer is on the job.

You're welcome.

762

[gandydancer]

Some people have bad luck with cops. I seem to get the ones that are PO at the world no matter how nice I try to be. "example" My Honda tail ended by a speeding taxi as I'm backing out of my drive way. My fault. for backing out onto a road. $3700 re-pairs to Taxi. Honda $400.00 for parts & $85.00 for a new muffler.leave Honda parked from September 2013 until may 18th 2014 & do re-pair work a little at a time, on the 18th of may I go into town to get the Honda inspected stop at the bank to cash check 1st. in bank parking lot a female cop"with the personality of a Brick" and proceeds to write me a ticket for $98.00 for no inspection sticker.when I try to explain whats going on. she says Nice story. see you in court. do I respect cops? if they show me that respect YES I do. do I trust cops? NO I don't GD

AS I've said before its a tough job to do in to days world. A job I would not want.

[NewbieDave007]

Some people have bad luck with cops. I seem to get the ones that are PO at the world no matter how nice I try to be. "example" My Honda tail ended by a speeding taxi as I'm backing out of my drive way. My fault. for backing out onto a road. $3700 re-pairs to Taxi. Honda $400.00 for parts & $85.00 for a new muffler.leave Honda parked from September 2013 until may 18th 2014 & do re-pair work a little at a time, on the 18th of may I go into town to get the Honda inspected stop at the bank to cash check 1st. in bank parking lot a female cop"with the personality of a Brick" and proceeds to write me a ticket for $98.00 for no inspection sticker.when I try to explain whats going on. she says Nice story. see you in court. do I respect cops? if they show me that respect YES I do. do I trust cops? NO I don't GD

This is part of the problem. I bet if I asked you what profession you are/were in then we could have a long list of people that have been "wronged" by someone in that profession. But what does that prove or help?

Also, btw you are responsible for making sure it is clear and safe to enter a roadway. As for speeding that is extremely hard to prove, is costly, and might not even matter depending on your state's fault laws.

[dragon813gt]

Yay, another one of these threads :rolleyes:

[jumbeaux]

Let's see here...I have killed more threads by posting than any man alive or dead...so poof...

rick

[Bullshop Junior]

Let's see here...I have killed more threads by posting than any man alive or dead...so poof...

rick

Go post on the thread killer page! Lol.

[TMenezes]

Wow this thread has 8 pages... Look everyone knows religion and politics aren't what this site is all about. So I get why they would tell you to cut it out.

2nd my brother is a cop and I have been there when I felt he was being a hard *** to someone. But also I have seen him time and again stand up to gangsters and parolies. I have also stood by his hospital bed while he was stitched back together after these encounters.

This last time it was 5 Norteno gangsters that attacked him. He stood his ground and despite getting pounded to a pulp, did not go down. They split his head open and gave him a brain injury that he still has not recovered from. I took pictures of his blood soaked uniform. And of the dried blood on his badge.

To this day he can't even drive himself to his own Dr appointments. I have to take time off work to do that. When I drive him he has to close his eyes or else he gets sick and throws up. Watching your brother puke into whatever gutter is closest is hard. Even worse is the knowledge that he may never be able to lead a normal life again.

Do I defend cops with a bad attitude? No, but uunderstand that they probably didn't start out that way. Maybe they are just battle hardened by facing off with the worst 1% of society every day.

I only wish I was on duty when my brother was mercilessly beaten by those gangsters so I could have backed him up. Instead I do what I can to make sure he can lead a somewhat normal life.

[NavyVet1959]

Do I defend cops with a bad attitude? No, but uunderstand that they probably didn't start out that way. Maybe they are just battle hardened by facing off with the worst 1% of society every day.


But that doesn't give them the right to treat the other 99% of society like that 1% deserve to be treated.

I have a couple of relatives that are cops. As far as I know, they are ok guys. One of their fathers was also a cop, but he tended to have a bit of a power type attitude from what I've heard from various relatives. He actually attacked one of my uncles with a baseball bat and left him for dead. Nothing ever became of it and to this day, that uncle periodically blacks out and cannot even drive himself. One of my grandfathers was the sheriff for one of the parishes in Louisiana and from what I've heard about him, all I can say is that he was a Southern and a product of his times (early 1900s). He was not above allowing a black who had been convicted of raping a white woman to "escape" when they stopped to pee on the side of the road, just so that he could shoot him as he was running away -- just so that he didn't have to drive all the way to Angola to deliver the rapist to the prison. I also have a couple of friends who are cops, but I have also met my fair share who had a power trip type attitude.

[Mik]

But that doesn't give them the right to treat the other 99% of society like that 1% deserve to be treated.

You are so, so right NavyVet.

The problem is, the 1% don't walk around wearing t-shirts that say "1%" on them (well, some do).

The result is, that most cops have a "street demeanor" that is "harsher" than most people deserve but "nicer" than it should be when dealing with gangsters, rapists, and thugs.

That doesn't necessarily mean those cops are "bad". They could be, but there are jerks in every profession.

[500MAG]

My uncle was a cop and is now retired. He was one of those cops that kids really look up to and I always wanted to follow in his steps. I ended up becoming a Pharmacist, lol. Anyway, his Son-in-law is one of those cops that kinda give cops a bad name. I also have a nephew that just became a police officer and will be a great one. It all comes to personality, morals & ethics and that goes for ANY PROFESSION. I'm sure there are a lot of mechanics on this forum and I know many people feel incredibly lucky to have a friend as a mechanic because they are always worried about being ripped off. Please don't take this as a rip on mechanics I'm just giving an example. I've never had problems with the police. Kept my nose clean and no issues. Didn't like some tickets that I have gotten and that's why you have the opportunity to fight it in court. I do thank God for all those that strap on a gun and badge each day not knowing if they will come home to their family that evening.

[Ajax]

I love GOOD police officers. I have no love for bad ones. That being said they don't shirts that say which is which either. I have never had a issue with any officer i have interacted with. I treat them with the respect i expect and so far have had no issues. Only one officer ever was a rear and i immediately let him know i was a citizen not a thug and he apologized and we finished our encounter politely. I think 99% of all the bad cop issues is the issue with the attitude of the citizen immediately upon encounter.
I worked as a military police officer in the Navy and every bad encounter started with the individual thinking immediately that we were there to oppress or beat them. I find courtesy begets courtesy whether in real life or on forums.

Andy

[Ajax]

True that. Just more whiners looking for attention.


I don't think it is a whiner looking for attention. He posted his reason for leaving and that he was so his friends might contact him so they can stay in touch off site. in this i see no whining just him stating his reasons and feelings.

pdawg_shooter "I just had a post pulled because I spoke of the abuse of police power in this country. To me, this is an infringement of my first amendment rights. We here, I think, are ardent supporters of the second amendment, but if someone takes exception to what we say our post is pulled. I can not abide by this so I will, with great regret, leave this forum. Goodby to everyone here that I have enjoyed for so long. I wish you all the best, but I stand on ALL my rights, not just the one of the Second Amendment."

His opinion is no less than anyone elses. If you feel it is then you have the same right as he does. But once again YOUR OPINION DOES NOT TRUMP THE SITE OWNER. his house his rules.


Andy

[flounderman]

It seems the older an open group gets, the more it deteriorates . You lose the best and can't get rid of the less productive members. You see it in positions of authority, police, correctional officers, teachers, politicians, social groups, even churches. Quitting is like wetting the bed to keep warm. You get that warm feeling for a while, but it's temporary. Better to stay and contribute and lead by example. You can't change the world but you can, not let the world change you. I'm guessing there is more to the issue than a single post being deleted, and that was the final straw. You maybe should check and see if the post was deleted and why and make sure everybody is on the same page. There has been some site issues lately.

[runfiverun]

nope it was pulled.
there were a couple of others that went with it.

look the "nad/bad whatever" cop posts are getting old, can't we go back to picking on stupid crooks or the middle east or something.

[jonp]

Let's see here...I have killed more threads by posting than any man alive or dead...so poof...

rick
IDK, rick. I've got 2 under my belt this year alone

"His opinion is no less than anyone elses. If you feel it is then you have the same right as he does. But once again YOUR OPINION DOES NOT TRUMP THE SITE OWNER. his house his rules."

^^^^True That. My forum, my rules. If you disagree with them please feel free to start your own forum, this is a free country in that respect. So far....

[sparky45]

I agree that the bad cop posts are getting "more frequent", but you must remember it's a cause and effect situation. It's simple math, the more these examples are occurring, the more they are being reported. Let's not lose sight of the real problem, and that's the "Militarism of Police/Sheriff/State" enforcement agencies. IMO, it's a real threat to freedom and the Constitution.


nope it was pulled.
there were a couple of others that went with it.

look the "nad/bad whatever" cop posts are getting old, can't we go back to picking on stupid crooks or the middle east or something.

[fastfire]

:hijack:

[Bullshop Junior]

I don't see why we have to bash anyone.

[Bonz]

I don't see why we have to bash anyone.

+1 on the "I don't see why we have to bash anyone."

[Ajax]

Agreed Daniel. He has his right to stay or go totally up to him.

Andy

[Prospector Howard]

Does that include Obummer? People are going to bash on what they see as a problem or something worth bashing. If the good law enforcement personel would put more effort to help clean up their ranks, there would be alot less bashing going on. A police state isn't where I want to live.
+1 on the "I don't see why we have to bash anyone."

[Bullshop Junior]

Then why don't we go start bashing everyone that drives fords and leaves them on the side of the road? Does it really help anything?

[Ajax]

there is a huge difference Daniel a Ford on the side of the road don't ruin businesses and live.

Andy

[45 2.1]

Does it really help anything?

Somewhere along the way, if you live long enough....... you will see these things get worse as time goes on. If you don't do something about it when you can, it becomes somewhat impossible to do much about it later.

[Roosters]

Bad cop (voicing his opinion) post deleted (wronged again) doesn't handle criticism or authority very well = going home mad..... Well ant that just the bugs ear. Play by their rules, if they say it's wrong it is ! They do a great job here keeping most people happy. Get over it or leave with it. No one is above the rules. If you want your friends to know your leaving send them a PM . Starting a thread like this expecting people to beg you to stay is getting pretty thin. ;-)

[Bullshop Junior]

I don't even know who the OP is so I wont miss him.

[garym1a2]

Probally cause the breakdown is more likly to be a Chevy truck!

Then why don't we go start bashing everyone that drives fords and leaves them on the side of the road? Does it really help anything?

[Bullshop Junior]

Probally cause the breakdown is more likly to be a Chevy truck!

Them is fightin words :mrgreen:

[rockrat]

Would be easy to pick on Fords broken down besides the road, so much material to work with:brokenima. Kind of like picking on what is wrong with Obozo!!:)

[s mac]

Probally cause the breakdown is more likly to be a Chevy truck!
I thought that but didn't want to stir things up. Lol
By the way, I am familiar with who pdawgshooter is, and would miss reading his posts.

[NewbieDave007]

I guess there are people that want to gripe and moan and if they don't have something to gripe and moan about then they willgripe and moan about too much griping and moaning going on. EVERY profession has the good, the bad, and the ugly. It just seems that some people like to point fingers in an easy/convenient direction (i.e.: law enforcement) and lumping "them" together instead of being an adult and understanding that the same bad traits are within their own ranks. How about people start treating everyone else as an individual instead of lumping I an inflammatory way? Is that too progressive?

Also, you have to understand something that not many care to hear or understand but law enforcement doesn't pay for anything and you are putting yourself in harm's way. I can't believe how disappointed I am in several members that seem to have had military backgrounds that don't see the similarities and extend the same respect that they get (rightfully so) to the group that are doing their best to protect their loved ones.

One last point I'd like to make. How many of you have the constant threat to being gunned down while at lunch eating some pizza? You think that might be just a little stressful? Do you think the lunatics that have ambushed law enforcement wear some sort of sign that says, "Hey! I'm one of the dangerous ones! " ?

[gray wolf]

And the above post has what to do with:
shooting UN-armed people, shooting dogs that are not a threat, beating up old Vets in wheel chairs,
Tazing 6 year old children, breaking into the wrong houses, Tazing old folks in nursing homes.

I walked the blue line and let me tell you we never did any of these things unless positively absolutely necessary and you could put forth a good case to prove it.


Many, police units today have been militarized, that is plain to see if you take a look,
and there actions are condoned by there superiors, who have been told by there superiors.
They would get bounced off the job if it weren't -- plain and simple. Just doing my job ? Yes I think so, doing the job they have been told to do, utilizing the actions they have been given a pass to use.


Some of the problems are the good cops that say nothing and turn there head when they see abusive actions being done. They have families, they have a pension, they have a pay check to protect, and they are put in a bad place by fellow renegade, rough co workers. They also have to sleep at night, how they do it is up to them.
Some quit, some join the rest, some complain and bare the bunt of there complaints to the tune of getting fired or ostracized by fellow police officers. Not a pretty picture is it ?


Many people lump them all together and say, well your a part of what is going on, so your as guilty as the rest.
The problem with some folks is, they defend without looking at the whole picture. They see things as--
Police so they are all bad, or police, they are all good, and some say OH well a few bad apples.


I don't see anything wrong with pointing out situations that clearly show abuse of power, as long as the situation is isolated to the one specific altercation. But the haters jump in and condemn the whole group,
IMHO this is wrong and clearly shows me, at least, that these people have had bad relations with police,
justified or not they hate the whole organization.


I have never been the sort that believed in hating groups of anything, do we condemn the barrel for the one bad apple ?, all Native Americans because of some arrows shot in the wrong direction, All African Americans because some are bad, all whites because of the KKK ?
You see what I am saying even if you look with only one eye open.


I do not see things as ALL, and never, I try to see things as individual actions, If done by a group I see it as that group, neither of which includes ALL and never.
I don't defend police cause I wore Blue, I don't condemn Blacks cause one tried to shoot me, I don't think all teanagers are bad cause three of them broke into my house when I lived in a city.


I say post all the bad things you want, whatever the subject matter, post the URL or give a link to it.
I don't need to hear all the rest of the junk that follows. Let people read it and come to there own conclusions.
He said, she said, they said, we think possibly it could be, that only happens on Mondays.
That's when the soap opera starts.
If you have a problem with out of control police, then go to the source, the people that are giving the green light for there actions. Get different people in charge that will put a stop to it.


The problem does not only lie with abuses on the street or in our homes and schools.
Do you recall the statement: we need a bigger Army, one for the Homeland, as powerful as our Military.
Well how do you/we/ like it ? So you tell me what changes are needed, and at what level ?
Hope I didn't bore you.

GW

[NavyVet1959]

Does that include Obummer?

Of course not, but it could be argued that his "bashing" should be done with a sledgehammer.

[dkf]

I just want to know if Junior got his phone charged up yet?

[Bullshop Junior]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/18/uvy7e7a8.jpg

[runfiverun]

well your working on it. :lol:

[Bullshop Junior]

It's up to 40 now lol

[jcwit]

I guess there are people that want to gripe and moan and if they don't have something to gripe and moan about then they willgripe and moan about too much griping and moaning going on. EVERY profession has the good, the bad, and the ugly. It just seems that some people like to point fingers in an easy/convenient direction (i.e.: law enforcement) and lumping "them" together instead of being an adult and understanding that the same bad traits are within their own ranks. How about people start treating everyone else as an individual instead of lumping I an inflammatory way? Is that too progressive?

Also, you have to understand something that not many care to hear or understand but law enforcement doesn't pay for anything and you are putting yourself in harm's way. I can't believe how disappointed I am in several members that seem to have had military backgrounds that don't see the similarities and extend the same respect that they get (rightfully so) to the group that are doing their best to protect their loved ones.

One last point I'd like to make. How many of you have the constant threat to being gunned down while at lunch eating some pizza? You think that might be just a little stressful? Do you think the lunatics that have ambushed law enforcement wear some sort of sign that says, "Hey! I'm one of the dangerous ones! " ?

It may not be about our Police Forces, which BTW since we now have a new Town Sheriff is a super organization now, but if there is one group that has the right to gripe today it is the Vets.

[remy3424]

I really have nothing to add to this thread, like most of the above posts here. I only check on this thread to see if Junior will get to 4000 informative posts in this thread alone. Give your opinion and move on guys...good grief all ready! So now I am next to be ask to leave? Let's get back to the subject matter of the site and go elsewhere with **** that stirs-up the herd.

[500MAG]

:popcorn:

[Bullshop Junior]

I try really hard.

[Mooseman]

I really have nothing to add to this thread, like most of the above posts here. I only check on this thread to see if Junior will get to 4000 informative posts in this thread alone. Give your opinion and move on guys...good grief all ready! So now I am next to be ask to leave? Let's get back to the subject matter of the site and go elsewhere with **** that stirs-up the herd.

Oh come on...The Bunny trails ARE entertaining !
(And , we don't ask people to leave...)

[Bad Water Bill]

Here is a helpful hint Jr.

[Bad Water Bill]

You have

[Bad Water Bill]

to be

[Bad Water Bill]

more creative

[Bad Water Bill]

with your posting.:bigsmyl2:

[runfiverun]

insert picture of person holding their hand to their forehead.
.............................HERE................. ...................

[oneokie]

I call foul, some are padding their post counts...

Carry on.

[Bad Water Bill]

I call foul, some are padding their post counts...

Carry on.

Surely you are not referring to me sir"

I was only trying to educate a poor LITTLE young boy from the back country of Alazka.:bigsmyl2:

[Bullshop Junior]

I'm not a post count junkie.

[fryboy]

yet ..... :P

[Bullshop Junior]

Oh shush.

[Joe504]

This is rapidly turning into another "Thread that won't die". Someone please kill it

[Bullshop Junior]

Why would we do that? Someone needs to keep BWB busy.

[MBTcustom]

Well this was anticlimactic.
So when you publicly announce you are taking your toys and going home, all that is really accomplished is that all the people who don't quite see it the way you do use it as an excuse to inflate their post counts. Internet cause and effect is a fascinating and psychotic thing to witness. LOL!

Here is this thread's stoned out Rolling Stones theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzqSYQ9X9U&feature=kp

Now, did we ever find a thread killer that was worth a tinkers curse, or is the search still on? I would close it, but the last time I did that, this thread was the result, and I don't want to lose anybody else.
Would the real thread killer please stand up?

[Mod42]

now, did we ever find a thread killer that was worth a tinkers curse, or is the search still on? I would close it, but the last time i did that, this thread was the result, and i don't want to lose anybody else.
Would the real thread killer please stand up?

please shoot this thread in the head goodsteel, please, please,please.

If you don't kill this thread I will take my ball and leave, but not before I post how unfair you are so that we can all waste our time whining rather than talking about what's important like casting boolits!!!!!

[Lance Boyle]

I work in LE. I am on a lot of internet boards. This is generally a well regulated and cheerful site. I have seen a few posts with some posters going into automatic the "cops are bad mode". Some folks relish jumping up on a soap box and making whatever national or local event fit their anti police or anti government rant. It's worse on the ar site but there are indeed some spastic died in the wool cop haters that post here. I just quit looking in that area of the site. I don't see the need to waste my time when I could be looking at cast boolits for .303 info or even spending some cash for a cool old mold in the market. Haters gonna hate. The internet is their outlet. That said I don't care what they post I get that face to face at work with people that will not ever agree. Life! Also if there are legitimate police improprieties then by all means out them with solid information and not I saw it on the internet and therefore I must jump the grand canyon to my conclusion postings. Some folks have a tired agenda schtick. Not saying the op is one, but we have them here.

more about casting lead!

[Lance Boyle]

I also can see the thankless similarities of moderating with policing. Some are thankful, some are irked but civil, and others are downright irate. Not much different.


post 375, glad I'm not a moderator!

[Hamish]

I would like to take this opportunity to take a public stand on a matter of great importance to a great many of us here, and, at this point,
I just don't care about how much grief will be unleashed, I simply must get this off my chest.


I like pie!

[alrighty]

Perhaps someone will invent a bullet proof vest to help L.E.O.'s handle criticism on an internet forum.:kidding:

[sparky45]

I would like to take this opportunity to take a public stand on a matter of great importance to a great many of us here, and, at this point,
I just don't care about how much grief will be unleashed, I simply must get this off my chest.


I like pie!


What a Rebel !!:kidding:

[GT27]

[smilie=2:

[Lance Boyle]

Perhaps someone will invent a bullet proof vest to help L.E.O.'s handle criticism on an internet forum.:kidding:


I see the chain yanking ;-)

it does range from discussion, justified anger and disbelief in instances, to venomous animosity no matter what the facts. I GET IT!

and I don't really care either. it's da interweb. [smilie=s:[smilie=s: not wearing panties to bunch up.

[Bad Water Bill]

What a Rebel !!:kidding:

He be frum Ill I Noise.

That definitely makes him a ??----- YANKEY :bigsmyl2:

[garym1a2]

I prefer Cake.

I would like to take this opportunity to take a public stand on a matter of great importance to a great many of us here, and, at this point,
I just don't care about how much grief will be unleashed, I simply must get this off my chest.


I like pie!

[jumbeaux]

goodsteel I failed miserably 3 pages back to kill this sucker...my "poof" didn't work...so here is try number two..."double poof"...

rick

[gew98]

Some people have bad luck with cops. I seem to get the ones that are PO at the world no matter how nice I try to be. "example" My Honda tail ended by a speeding taxi as I'm backing out of my drive way. My fault. for backing out onto a road. $3700 re-pairs to Taxi. Honda $400.00 for parts & $85.00 for a new muffler.leave Honda parked from September 2013 until may 18th 2014 & do re-pair work a little at a time, on the 18th of may I go into town to get the Honda inspected stop at the bank to cash check 1st. in bank parking lot a female cop"with the personality of a Brick" and proceeds to write me a ticket for $98.00 for no inspection sticker.when I try to explain whats going on. she says Nice story. see you in court. do I respect cops? if they show me that respect YES I do. do I trust cops? NO I don't GD

AS I've said before its a tough job to do in to days world. A job I would not want.

I've seen way too much of this anymore. I got a ticket for doing 60 in a 55 on a rural route and the jackarse copper damn near caused a wreck turiniig around to give me the damn ticket. I asked him what the hell ... all this for a $5 fine...but the backside os $140 "court fees" attached to every ticket. Goobermint is a racket...local or federal. Here in the state of KY the pooblic employee pension plan is underfunded by a piddly $7 BILLION. Seems to me there may be too many suckers in the pooblik trough draining it.
It's a pretty rare thing these days to find a polite fair cop.... especially one whom is not decked out like rambo. I got hit by some broad one time on an offramp and when the local "city" coppers showed up they were all in acu's..... it was their ooh-gah swat training night so they were all allowed to where their awesome militarized threads while on duty like some kind of perverted macho show and tell.

[waksupi]

I've seen way too much of this anymore. I got a ticket for doing 60 in a 55 on a rural route and the jackarse copper damn near caused a wreck turiniig around to give me the damn ticket. I asked him what the hell ... all this for a $5 fine...but the backside os $140 "court fees" attached to every ticket. Goobermint is a racket...local or federal. Here in the state of KY the pooblic employee pension plan is underfunded by a piddly $7 BILLION. Seems to me there may be too many suckers in the pooblik trough draining it.
It's a pretty rare thing these days to find a polite fair cop.... especially one whom is not decked out like rambo. I got hit by some broad one time on an offramp and when the local "city" coppers showed up they were all in acu's..... it was their ooh-gah swat training night so they were all allowed to where their awesome militarized threads while on duty like some kind of perverted macho show and tell.

Around here we encourage cops to ticket people for speeding. We had two kids killed with in a mile of each other because of speeders, one on foot, one on a bicycle. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. No sympathy for someone who knows they are breaking the law.

[Bullshop Junior]

I would like to take this opportunity to take a public stand on a matter of great importance to a great many of us here, and, at this point,
I just don't care about how much grief will be unleashed, I simply must get this off my chest.


I like pie!

Me too!

[Bullshop Junior]

Around here we encourage cops to ticket people for speeding. We had two kids killed with in a mile of each other because of speeders, one on foot, one on a bicycle. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. No sympathy for someone who knows they are breaking the law.

I'm the same way. I've never had a ticket. Know why??

I took Jim Carey's advise from liar liar.

[Tar Heel]

Will you look at that! Cast Boolits.

108084

[jaystuw]

Yeah, some of the postings have been less than inspired, but for the most part this has been an excellent "drama" thread.

We speak of how we are here for knowledge and comradery. But after seeing almost 200 post and over 7000 views, I think that a strong argument could be made that we also like a good, knock down, drag out, barroom brawl thread.

We have a number of members on cast bollits that are remarkably talented at on-line rough housing. Its to bad we can't put such talent to use .Maybe have one day a month set aside. A day were the mods give us a clear track to show off our skills in close combat on the key board! A chance to see who best welds the typed word as a sword or a club. A no holds barred thread in "our town" that promises huge drama in a small space for a limited time. No pit needed, Just lots of popcorn.


Of course my suggestion will be greeted with a storm of rage and ridicule. but watch, watch as the view count on this used up thread again climbs. It climbs because a plate of knowledge and comradery is sometimes best served with some spicy hot peppers while watching a demolition derby. Jay

[NavyVet1959]

Around here we encourage cops to ticket people for speeding. We had two kids killed with in a mile of each other because of speeders, one on foot, one on a bicycle. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. No sympathy for someone who knows they are breaking the law.

I don't believe that we should be interfering with Darwin.

[NavyVet1959]

I've seen way too much of this anymore. I got a ticket for doing 60 in a 55 on a rural route and the jackarse copper damn near caused a wreck turiniig around to give me the damn ticket. I asked him what the hell ... all this for a $5 fine...but the backside os $140 "court fees" attached to every ticket. Goobermint is a racket...local or federal. Here in the state of KY the pooblic employee pension plan is underfunded by a piddly $7 BILLION. Seems to me there may be too many suckers in the pooblik trough draining it.
It's a pretty rare thing these days to find a polite fair cop.... especially one whom is not decked out like rambo. I got hit by some broad one time on an offramp and when the local "city" coppers showed up they were all in acu's..... it was their ooh-gah swat training night so they were all allowed to where their awesome militarized threads while on duty like some kind of perverted macho show and tell.

Don't feel bad, I've gotten a ticket when going through a town on the interstate late at night and my radar detector said that he was ahead for *miles* before I ever got there, so I KNOW I was only going 55 at the time. Typical small town where the cop is related to the judge and they are relying on the fact that it would cost you more to drive back there and fight the ticket (which you would lose anyway) than to just go ahead and pay it). There are still some crooked towns like that out there.

[Bullshop Junior]

Back home there was one cop who would pull you over for 1mph over in the school zone and 2mph over on the highway or in town.

[MBTcustom]

This reminds me of an incident I had with one of the local small town cops that everybody seems to hate on so much.
I was riding shotgun in a beat up truck (it was a Ford so we were OK there) with Mark, my nephew in law. It was a pretty far drive to get to town, about 25 minutes of you drive the speed limit, so on the way back, he told me that he knew a back way to avoid all the rentacops. So there we were whipping along the dirt roads and we see one of the cops we were supposed to be avoiding coming along up ahead. Naturally, he slowed it down, but as soon as the cop passed us, he sped up again. I thought "hmmmm, I wouldn't have done that quite so quick."
Well sure enough, next thing you know we have blue lights behind us. Lady cop gets out and walks up to the window and asks if Mark knows why she pulled him over. He replied that he was sure he didn't know. (yeah, right!)
She told him that she saw him slow down and was just going to let it go, but changed here mind when he gunned it as soon as she was past him. Said her radar goes both ways and she had him at 15MPH over the speed limit (of course I was thinking her radar needs re-calibrating because it was actually more like 20 over). At this point I informed her that I was licenced to carry a concealed handgun and that I was armed, and handed her my information.
He told her that he would like to see a print out of her radar reading.
She told him that she was not required to provide him that information.
He started to argue the point when I told him to shut up and quit disrespecting her.
He looked a little shocked that I would be siding with the cop (and to be honest, so was she).
She took our information back to her cruiser and a minute later another car pulled up behind us.
Believe me, while she was gone to her car, I read that kid from the good book and covered the gospels of Mathew, Luke, John, and most of Revelations.
I told him that he knew darn good and well that he was speeding and that everything that cop had said was 100% true and accurate. He kept telling me that these cops are bad, and that they will write you a ticket for just any little thing because they get off on it (sound familiar???) I told him to button his lip or I was going to make sure he was eating soft food for a month.
When the officer came back, I took over and explained that she was right as rain, and I apologized for the disrespectful way my nephew had spoken to her.
She handed my information back to me and told me that she appreciated my attitude.
She then explained to Mark that he needed an attitude adjustment, etc etc etc, and the upshot of it was that she wrote him a warning and with a level gaze, told me to make sure to explain to him the importance of obeying the law. I told her "yes ma'am, as soon as you're finished, I intend to do just that."
It was an interesting ride home. Nice and slow. I did all the talking.
When we got home his dad and I had a heated discussion as Mark was doing exactly what his dad had told him to do in that situation, and he didn't appreciate me interfering. :o
I told him that I just didn't understand his position because Mark was in fact totally in the wrong. The conversation boiled down to him telling me that he didn't agree with the posted speed limits, so he didn't respect the cops authority enforcing them. It's oppression!
I mentioned that he had total freedom to drive any speed he had a mind to as long as it was below the posted speed, but that didn't make any difference. I was still the bad guy for siding with the cops.

You know, I've only had three tickets in my life. One time, I was driving a big red truck with dual exhaust (it was a 94 chevy Z71 so I was jinxed from the start), and went right into a speed trap late at night. Since I was in fact going 15MPH over the posted speed limit (regardless of the fact that I had never been through there before) I took responsibility for my actions, was respectful to the officer, and paid my ticket promptly the next morning. Heck most of the cops that have pulled me over (yeah, been pulled over about 6 times) would probably shoot the breeze about guns and stuff once we get the unpleasantness out of the way. I just don't have a problem with them, so they don't have a problem with me. I've never been pulled over for nothing and the officers that have pulled me over have been absolutely right every time. I would argue the point in court if I honestly thought I was being busted on for no reason, and I can be very convincing when I'm dealing with the facts, but I just never have found myself in disagreement with them before, and I wont bend the truth to make it feel like I'm right.
I know there's bad cops out there, but I think lots of people just can't stand having their noses rubbed in their mistakes. I'll bet gravity drives them absolutely nuts! Not much forgiveness there either. If you like to walk close to the ledge, you're going to fall off one day.