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texassako
05-14-2014, 01:29 PM
Why in the world would Remington decide to make a run of Etronx primers instead of something useful to a majority of people, like a higher volume of normal primers? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/831855/remington-etronx-electronic-primers-box-of-1000-10-trays-of-100?cm_vc=ProductFinding If you have an Etronx rifle laying around, I guess you can load for it instead now.

Hamish
05-14-2014, 01:32 PM
I suspect that someone thought that they had better offload the backlog before the shortage ends,,,,

Hickok
05-14-2014, 02:01 PM
The Etronx system was the answer to a request no one ever asked!

EMC45
05-14-2014, 02:12 PM
Worthless Idea. I remember they were almost giving them away when they realized no one wanted them at a shop local to me.

starmac
05-14-2014, 03:10 PM
I don't even know what they are, but if remington is in the business of making them, why would they not make a run of them?

DeanWinchester
05-14-2014, 03:19 PM
Etronx rifles are a great source for donor barrels. Very low round count on most you encounter.

Blacksmith
05-14-2014, 04:03 PM
Regular primers are $30 to $40 per thousand the EltronX primers are $225 per thousand, which would you rather sell?

garym1a2
05-14-2014, 04:07 PM
Regular primers are no longer short supply nor high price. Just this past saturday I found them for $29 at a gun store in Jax Florida and they had plenty. My guess is if you sell a gun you need to make sure their are components for them.

Blammer
05-14-2014, 04:22 PM
I don't even know what they are, but if remington is in the business of making them, why would they not make a run of them?

may want to do a quick search on them, you'll realize soon enough why.

JeffinNZ
05-15-2014, 12:00 AM
Electric primers have one place only. 20mm and 30mm Gatling gun platforms.

Catshooter
05-15-2014, 12:17 AM
Only a fool looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.

Especially the corporate heart.


Cat

jcameron996
05-15-2014, 05:53 AM
I don't know whether they made a run of them or not. Those have been the only thing in stock on Powder Valley's website through the length of the shortage. They are probably old stock. And I agree that the electric primers was the answer to a question that nobody asked.

leftiye
05-15-2014, 08:14 AM
Can you imagine how fine of a trigger could be made out of a microswitch? Can you imagine how much pressure an electric primer could be designed to hold? Think steel case.

searcher4851
05-15-2014, 10:58 AM
I reckon being able to sell them at 22.59 cents each is reason enough to make them.

Catshooter
05-16-2014, 04:32 AM
Just because they're priced at 22.59 cents each doesn't mean they are selling them.


Cat

NSB
05-16-2014, 07:29 AM
They aren't a tax payer supported public service, they're a private for-profit company. They can make and sell anything they think is in their best interest, not yours. They may be making a good decision for profitability and that's what it's all about. They serve the share holders.

osteodoc08
05-16-2014, 11:11 AM
I imagine the tooling is different and there is not any reason to not make any on a machine that is just sitting there. Use what you've got.

clownbear69
05-16-2014, 11:24 AM
Could be that Remington wanted to make and sell these for 1 of 2 reasons

1) one of the higher ups needed them

2) It was re-featured (the firearm and ammo) in one of the more recent American Rifleman so they in essence got advertisement

Hickory
05-16-2014, 11:28 AM
Components are scarce and Remington makes a run of these?

On simple terms, it could be the result of supply & demand.

texassako
05-16-2014, 01:55 PM
On simple terms, it could be the result of supply & demand.

They made them for only 3 years a decade ago and there are a whopping 6 for sale on gunbroker. 4 of them brand new in the box unfired. I don't think that is very much demand. I am leaning towards old stock with a bit of thought into it, but I don't remember seeing them so often in my occasional searches to see what is in stock, where, and how much $.

Cornbread
05-16-2014, 04:16 PM
I had never heard of this until now. What a retarded idea for an ignition system. I had to go look up more info on them just out of curiosity: http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/special-runs/past-special-runs/centerfire/model-700-etronx.aspx

B R Shooter
05-16-2014, 05:08 PM
Can you imagine how fine of a trigger could be made out of a microswitch? Can you imagine how much pressure an electric primer could be designed to hold? Think steel case.

Not just trigger pull, which could be almost nil, but the lack of vibrations caused by no firing pin spring, fall and strike. I was disappointed it never caught on for these reasons.

dakotashooter2
05-16-2014, 05:10 PM
If I recall the sale point was little or no lock time and a very light trigger pull.

Bad Water Bill
05-16-2014, 07:07 PM
Just how many LGS can afford to buy and even one case of them?

Love Life
05-16-2014, 07:12 PM
Not just trigger pull, which could be almost nil, but the lack of vibrations caused by no firing pin spring, fall and strike. I was disappointed it never caught on for these reasons.

This. I have kicked around the idea of buying one of the guns to play with.

MUSTANG
05-16-2014, 10:01 PM
Last electronic primer I dealt with was for a 105MM Main Gun on an M60A1 Tank.

gbrown
05-16-2014, 10:28 PM
This was a great answer to a question no one asked--look at one of the last few month's issue of the National Rifleman--10 gun ideas that didn't work. This should be #1. I can't remember if it was there or not. Innovation is a great idea--this isn't innovation, it's just plain dumb, IMHO. I could understand if you came up with a better, more effective, cheaper method to ignite powder. Coming up with an expensive way that may or may not work in some extreme conditions is not an answer, it is a dilemna.

B R Shooter
05-17-2014, 06:26 AM
The expense part would have gone away had the concept for use in small arms caught on. I'm not familiar with large munitions and that they use electronic ignition, but not surprised.

Look at all the "extra" part of a typical action, that does nothing but provide for the firing pin, spring, trigger, etc. All an action needs to do is lock the cartridge in the barrel and ignite it. Much less means could be made, if it weren't for the firing pin and spring.

WILCO
05-17-2014, 09:25 AM
They aren't a tax payer supported public service, they're a private for-profit company. They can make and sell anything they think is in their best interest, not yours. They may be making a good decision for profitability and that's what it's all about. They serve the share holders.

It's simply frustrating isn't it? Folks that fail to understand capitalism and economics 101.

WILCO
05-17-2014, 09:29 AM
I had never heard of this until now. What a retarded idea for an ignition system.

To gain market share, companies need to come up with new products for the consumer.
The consumer decides if the product meets their needs. It really is that simple.

jcwit
05-17-2014, 09:31 AM
It's simply frustrating isn't it? Folks that fail to understand capitalism and economics 101.

At the same time it's frustrating at what some folks concept of capitalism & economics 101 actually is.

Dale in Louisiana
05-17-2014, 01:02 PM
Last electronic primer I dealt with was for a 105MM Main Gun on an M60A1 Tank.


Me too!

I think it was a big improvement over the mechanically fired 90mm in the M48 series.
dale in Louisiana

TXGunNut
05-17-2014, 02:43 PM
I think it was a great idea with a very limited application. Suspect the price is due to the fact that they probably don't make a run of them very often and it's probably not a very large batch at that. And yes, one or more of the suits @ Remington probably owns at least one.

Love Life
05-17-2014, 04:12 PM
Sheeoot. No need to have the touch pad on the gun if you can wire in a pressure switch similar to a surefire switch. No trigger pull issues, no firing pin movement, nada. Prices are more than what I want to pay just to play with one though.

dakotashooter2
05-18-2014, 12:20 AM
If I remember correct some work on caseless ammunition was being done about the same time frame.

dbosman
05-19-2014, 10:09 PM
Ummm...
Maybe Remington knows something we don't - about "Smart" gun legislation. ???

Garyshome
05-19-2014, 10:16 PM
These primers are real popular among deer hunters around here! NOT