Katrina, New Orleans, and Gun Control [Archive]

grumble

09-09-2005, 01:53 PM

I hadn't heard about anyone being disarmed. Is their a legal reason given as to why? I'm really interested because we just got word the State may send at least a hundred of us south to the affected area. I ain't much on breaking laws to enforce laws, if you follow my drift.

There have been a number of reports about police and even soldiers disarming people. People supposedly responsible for the confiscations are denying it. So, either it isn't true, or the confiscators know they are exceeding their authority and not admitting to it.

I doubt anyone will get in trouble for it, though. "Exigencies of the moment," and all that.

I wonder how many fine old guns are rusting away under that nasty water.

waksupi

09-09-2005, 08:07 PM

brimic

09-09-2005, 09:09 PM

If you aren't pissed yet, there's a copy of the video posted on this site (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=155369)

Sorry about linking to another discussion website, but the video was a bit of a pita for me to get to work, there are instructions on the thread to show you how to get it to work.

If it doesn't raise your blood pressure level to dangerous levels, nothing will. If the video is real, I'd have to say its one of the most outstanding piece of reporting I've seen from ABC in a long time.

Bret4207

09-10-2005, 04:01 AM

I have no idea what the local laws may be in NO or what their State laws allow during a declared emergency. I haven't heard that martial law was declared. When that happens the cops are as good as done anyway. It could be a local ordinance in NO is being enforced. Or it could be a blanket order for the duration of the emergency. That is, if the Mayor will admit there's an emergency. I agree it seems foolish to disarm citizens while looters run rampant. Perhaps this will spur some senible legislation. Dream on. I didn't watch the video as it didn't seem to want to load.

I've always had a real hard time with the idea of suspending someones basic rights during an emergency. We had a few problems up here in the past during a big ice storm when the County put out a travel ban. One of those "only for food, medicine, to work" that type of thing. Of course beer runs weren't considered "necessary", but thats what most people were doing. The thing that made me mad was that all the tractor trailer rigs were pulled off the road. That is all except Alcoa truck shipments, which co-incidentally is located in the Chairmans district. Seems an unidentified Trooper lead a convoy of 30 some stranded tractor trailers to the county line where the travel ban wasn't in effect in the wee hours of the morning. A drop in the bucket, but at least those guys were back on the road.

As for NO, it strikes me as odd that Alabama and Mississippi, who got hit just as hard, are apparently on the road to recovery with little fanfare, while all of Louisiana is amuck in the wallow of misery. The news keeps building that the Gov of La. and Mayor of NO really dropped the ball big time. I'm not a big fan of FEMA, but I don't see their part in this as anywhere near what it's made out to be. As far as the Whitehouse response, well as much as I admire certain things about Uncle George, throwing money into the cesspool NO is isn't wise, no more than handing out payments to the families of 9/11 victims was. It's not the Governments job to do that. It's just one more entittlement we'll be stuck paying for till the end of time. It'll backfire on him.

grumble

09-10-2005, 07:33 AM

I saw it on network news last night. Guys sitting handcuffed, after they had been disarmed. Then they were allowed to stay, but without thier guns. Do you want this to happen to you? Be disarmed, in a proven dangerous area, as you try to protect your home? Take note, and prepare. This is bullshit. If you have any antigun friends, show them what is happening, and let them see how the government will protect you in times of trouble.

So, there you are, protecting hour home and hearth. You've prepared for emergencies likely to hit your area, and you have enough food and water for your family to last a month or so. You're set.

Then comes a knock on your door. A squad of National Guard soldiers or a few cops in battle dress come along and insist you leave your home, or at least turn over all your firearms, including your collectables.

So, what do you do? How prepared are you to either give up all your possessions and go to some armpit of a refugee station or meekly yield your guns? When it comes down to that minute where the decision has to be made, what do you do?

felix

09-10-2005, 07:44 AM

Scrounger

09-10-2005, 07:56 AM

You choose life Grumble. After all the **** they've gone thru why pick a loosing fight.

But be smart enough to keep some firearms in reserve.

Now. We have a "friend" of guns in the w'house and their out taking citizens guns. How in the hell are they any different than the dems on this issue?

Who reading along here is naive enough not to think the repbu's will come for all our guns when it suits them?

I understand why the NG went in with guns drawn. But this is the USA not the commie republic of russia. Those pictures were disturbing.

MOA.

I've been trying to make that point here for years. Don't believe the Republican lies, they're every bit as bad as the Democrats. Like the "lady" on the street corner, they just tell us they love us to get our money.

grumble

09-10-2005, 08:53 AM

Answer: vacate anyway you know how BEFORE the problem hits the fan. Only the Jews with guard payoffs (gold and silver) made it out of Nazi Germany after 1933. The getting out time reasonably intact was before that time. History always repeats itself. ... felix

So, where would YOU go felix? I'm not asking about gun-grabbing nationwide, I'm wondering about a more real situation if where you live were to be in the situation that NO is in with an emergency suitable for your locale (fires, tornados, whatever).

Do you abandon your home and all possessions to looters and whoever may come along, do you stay to protect things, do you give up your guns and stay unarmed?

grumble

09-10-2005, 09:01 AM

I've been trying to make that point here for years. Don't believe the Republican lies, they're every bit as bad as the Democrats. Like the "lady" on the street corner, they just tell us they love us to get our money.

I've never disputed that, Scrounger. Power is power, and that's what politicians are in the business for. The difference is that Demos will do the gun-grabbing with no overt excuse, and the Repubs will wait until they have an excuse, like an emergency.

My question is, how do you react?

From what I'm seeing on the tube right now, forces are breaking into locked houses to check for dead bodies, and then leaving with broken-into homes behind them, open to anyone.

KYCaster

09-10-2005, 09:57 AM

I can't get the vidio, just the audio, but the most disturbing thing to me is the last few seconds of the tape: "you don't want to think about what you might have to do..."....."You mean shoot an American?"......."Yeah"
Sounds to me like he's prepared to do that, even though he don't want to think about it.....or maybe because he won't think about it, just do it because that's what he was ordered to do. I've heard several discussions, both in person and on the net, about this very subject and in all cases the LEO's involved state emphatically that they'd never participate in such an opperation.
In every case that I am aware of where such an opperation has happened, the gov. has had no problem finding LEO's to carry out the orders. In some cases, such as the situation in NO, the situation has evolved in such a way that the act of firing on American citizens would be just another step in an escalating chain of events that would make it an unavoidable conclusion.
Very sad.

Jerry

9.3X62AL

09-10-2005, 11:26 AM

Let's find out more facts before we arrive at conclusions about what's going on in NO regarding these apparent gun confiscations. I cannot view the video, so I'm operating at a real disadvantage here. My comments are based on the text representations given above.

People in handcuffs/flex cuffs? In my old world, that meant a detention related to suspected criminal activity, usually involving gang members or like individuals. From a civil rights perspective, such restraints applied to persons not involved in criminal activity is ASKING for a lawsuit, whether they are subsequently released or not. What may be getting shown here is a contact with "regular customers" by cops and/or NG who know them to be such, and removal of firearms from their possession--"felon with firearm" cases. Since their jails are largely non-functional at this time, it would make sense to detain the people involved--remove the firearms from their possession as evidence--identify the possessors--and later seek warrants for arrest when things get closer to normalcy. This took place in Los Angeles in 1992.

Another possibility involves a similar group of people in constructive control (but not personal possession) of some firearms, and when contacted by the authorities an assertion is made by one and all that the firearms don't belong to anyone present, and their ownership is unknown. In such a case--several in my career--you seize the gun(s) and check registration/stolen status, usually finding some stolen firearms in the process. The guns get returned to owners.

News organizations will often present whatever information they share in a light different than what reality reflects. These images are menacing, to be sure--but let's not go off half-cocked.

The most telling evidence of gun control failure is the buildings left standing during the riots in 1992--occupied by armed citizens. LAPD is a blatantly anti-gun organization, but took no steps that I saw or heard about to disarm law-abiding citizens. They DID try to find--with little success--military pattern semi-auto rifles to defend themselves during the North Hollywood bank robbery in 1997.

Lots of ambivalent questions for the gun grabbers, for damn sure.

grumble

09-10-2005, 12:01 PM

"Another possibility involves a similar group of people in constructive control (but not personal possession) of some firearms, and when contacted by the authorities an assertion is made by one and all that the firearms don't belong to anyone present, and their ownership is unknown. In such a case--several in my career--you seize the gun(s) and check registration/stolen status, usually finding some stolen firearms in the process. The guns get returned to owners."

That's interesting! I can understand how that would work in CA, where all guns are registered. I wonder about how it would work in other places where we buy guns at gunshows, from friends, etc, and the gun bought was probably bought from still another person -- that is, no paper trail. I wonder what happens to the confiscated guns in that case?

"News organizations will often present whatever information they share in a light different than what reality reflects."

Whoo-ee! Aint that the truth!! There's a whole 'nuther thread in that comment!

9.3X62AL

09-10-2005, 12:27 PM

Grumble--

Long guns (other than assault weapons) aren't registered in CA. We depended on reported stolen status to get those guns returned. Without SOME kind of ownership info, we're kinda screwed--as are the owners. My agency always impressed me with their efforts to get guns returned to owners, and spent a BUNCH of money on shipping to out-of-area agencies to get that done.

grumble

09-10-2005, 01:57 PM

Whoa! You mean that if a house is entered and a bunch of guns are taken with no one claiming ownership, they aren't returned to the people they were taken from? So if the owner isn't home, he loses his guns?

I know if I were required to show a receipt for every gun I own, a very large percentage of my firearms wouldn't be returned in that situation.

Bret4207

09-10-2005, 04:07 PM

Well, since we don't have all the information, as Dep Al pointed out, lets not assume anyone beyond local authorities is responsible here. If someone who can view the video and get the background story with could let everyone know whats going on it would be helpfull. SInce we don't know the local laws we have no idea what is going on.

Without some idea of who a gun belongs to it's either auctioned, sold or melted depnding on where you live. Thats why we should all record our serial numbers, and no I haven't done it either.

And yes, if Hillary was involved I would be screaming my head off. The Dems have a track record of attempting to get rid of the 2nd Amend. and errode our gun rights, along with property rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc, etc, plus taxes, taxes, taxes. And since we're apparently ignoring the "lets not talk politics" agreement, I think Mrs. Clinton is just plain evil. Just my opinion, shared by some Secret Service agents who had to guard her and several million other people. No flames to you guys intended. Vote and support whom you wish. I just don't understand how you can be a "pro-gun Democrat". Kind of like being a "pro-gay marrige Republican". Just doesn't seem to fit to me. As least the Republican politicians we buy support us till the $$ run out.

C1PNR

09-10-2005, 05:44 PM

I wasn't going to mention this, but this is a copy of an "Alert" I just received from NRA.

NRA-ILA COMMENTS ON SITUATION IN NEW ORLEANS

Numerous media sources are reporting on a campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others--the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones. This is especially true when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

There it is.

bascom32423

09-10-2005, 06:14 PM

C1PNR

09-10-2005, 06:43 PM

It has been said that in a Democracy, the voters get the government that they deserve. If we want to change these stupid, self-destructive laws, we need to change the nitwits that enact them.

Unfortunately, these is a large base of voters who live on the Federal Plantation and vote how the "Master" tells them. If it were up to me, anyone who was on welfare could NOT vote. Of course, we all know how far that would get.

Henry
My feeling has long been that a net "consumer" of Govenrment Benefits, Federal, State, County, Local, whatever, should not be allowed to influence those "benefits", either in amount or type, i.e., vote.

I run into a problem with my own belief when I consider LONG time employed who finally retire and are now collecting Social Security (in addition to whatever other provisions they have made for their "Golden Years"). How to factor that in is a question. Maybe "regular" SS leaves you able to vote, but "SSI" and other supplementary welfare type payments leaves you out of the polling booth.

I don't know, but I do know that having the fox (recipient) in charge of the hen house (Congress - from whom all mana flows) aint gonna work! That's what we have now, if you look at the red vs blue voting statistics.:sad:

bascom32423

09-10-2005, 06:58 PM

In my younger days, I recall there being "Free holder" elections, where only property owners could vote on tax issues. Well, during all the civil rights changes, that law was declared unconstitutional in Florida. Well, what do the free-loaders living in public housing have to lose when they vote to increase property taxes?

I don't know on what grounds it was declared unconstitutional. Of course, I know WHY. We need to get some elected officials with cojones to reinstate that type of voting and challenge it all the was to the Supreme Court. It apprears we may have a more-right-center court soon, especially when compared to the wonderful (yuck) Warren court.

Henry (off rant & rave mode)

Bret4207

09-11-2005, 01:03 AM

I don't believe I'm naive considering the Dems track record. And lets see if we can discuss something without the language. I find it irritating and unneeded. You still don't anwer the question on why you would support the party that supports gun control, or rather not support the party that supports gun rights. Yes, they're ALL politicians and mostly lawyers, but we have what we have and saying they're all the same and it's not worth the effort serves no purpose.

Buckshot

09-11-2005, 06:12 AM

.............In a 2 party system such as we have, in major elections it is a matter of who is the lesser of two evils. As you get more local lots of times there is a marked choice and some outside the 2 mainstream parties have a chance to actually win.

In a presidential election a vote for the Independant, or Libertarian candidate is like throwing it away. If you think the newly elected party is going to say, "Oh my gosh, the Libertarians pulled 8% of the vote. We'd sure better watch our P's and Q's", it doesn't happen.

While the presidential office may be powerfull, the 2 houses are where the real power lies. That is where the concentration of power lies.

In the recall election we had here in California, it was truely historical in this state as the first successfull recall in 96 years of a sitting govenor. I had made the decision that I would vote my conscience. Grey Davis was being preened as a possible Dem presidential nominee and wasn't paying attention to what was happening within the state, and he and the Dem's paid the price.

I did not vote for Arnold. I voted for Tom McClintock who was a staunch constitutional conservative pro-gun Republican. And to mention also, I'm very simplistic. I'm a single issue voter. I'm pro 2nd amendment all the way. I've found that regardless of their party affiliation pro-gun usually means a conservative lean on most other issues. I will freely admit that is my litmus test.

So anyway Arnold won and I was delerious with joy. NOT that he won, but because of the possible main contenders who lost. McClintock lost too, but I knew he wasn't going to win. I did find several news reports very interesting. He did pull a much larger percentage of the vote then predicted and several political science proffessors both commented on the number of female votes he pulled, in addition to latino votes. He was predicted none of those.

I'm sure part of Arnold's win was the novelty issue of having the Terminator as the govenor. Yet then too as above, many mainstream newsreports were talking about the possible shift in political leanings in California. I don't know how true or long lasting, but I sure like hearing that.

So far as the gun thing in NO is going, there is no clear cut situation we may rally against. The NRA is clearly taking a wait and see attitude. Why get all slobbery upset about some nebulous report with no clear cut enemy to shoot at yet?

...............Buckshot

Bret4207

09-11-2005, 08:22 AM

OK, I'm done.

Linstrum

09-16-2005, 04:21 AM

I want to comment on another angle involved here that has been overlooked a bit. When I was a little kid my Dad told me if I ever went somewhere to buy a house, for me to stay away from drainage areas, the beach, heavily forested places with trees close to the house, steep canyons, visible earthquake faults, old masonry or wooden buildings, and large populations of impoverished people. And if I was in Tornado Alley to have a good underground storm cellar. I suppose nowadays that not living downwind from nuclear power plants, oil refineries, and chemical factories could be added, too. I was about ten years old when my dad told me this stuff and I had no trouble at all understanding what was behind his thinking. Anyone who chooses to live in an area below sea level next to the sea in a place where hurricanes are common that is protected from ever present flooding by man-made (and consequently ephemeral) levees, dikes, and is de-watered by pumps run from unreliable interruptible power sources, is not thinking straight. I was in Nawlins for eight hours on Hallowe'en in 2003 and I saw what I wanted to see in the French Quarter, and I'm not going back. There are other places like it that are not safe as well. One could argue that nowhere on earth is totally safe from floods, earthquakes, forest fires, underground coal fires, volcanoes, and if you find a place where you think those won't get you, a meteor or resurgence of the 1918 Spanish Influenza might. But there are a lot of places that are a lot safer to live than Nawlins. If you live in The Big Toilet that The Big Easy really is, you have got to remember that some day it will get flushed, and it DID, big time! The people of New Orleans who MUST be there because they or a family member run and maintain the petroleum industry, fishing industries, and shipping infrastructures located there that are all absolutely vital to the smooth running of the United States, EVERY ONE of those folks have my sympathy and support. But the people who live there solely for the perpetual party atmosphere, cheap and easily available pot and crack, and to otherwise be societal burdens or suck off the government tit, they reaped the harvest that they themselves sewed. In the middle of that mess are a bunch of innocent people caught in the middle who relied on the judgment and thinking of others who declared that region to be a safe and wholesome place to live when it is not. Those people who were lulled into believing they would always be safe and protected there also have my sympathy and support. That mess was made a lot worse than it should have been because of the liberal thinking that dictates and teaches that no one is ever responsible for their own individual well being and safety because Big Daddy Government is there to do it for you. The prevalence of that pus-brained thinking in the New Orleans population is proven beyond any doubt by what happened at the Superdome when the people huddled there for safety behaved like lost sheep when they allowed themselves to be ravaged by a tiny minority of thugs who raped and terrorized women in the restrooms with zero opposition. Those are the folks who were children when Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young were admonishing people about what to teach their children in their 1969 song “Teach Your Children Well”, and the things that they and their like-minded ilk stood for back then have resulted in this exact brainless behavior.

walltube

09-16-2005, 06:28 PM

Hi Guys,

As my life is returning to some semblance of normalcy I just had to visit here to reconnect with a fine group of men. (gals too if I mssed your arrival :-)....

What you are witnessing is martial law at its' best, or worst.

The idiots in charge of the former city of New Orleans set free all prisoners incacerated in all lockups and local prisons. Set free were some real jewels of the criminal element. Among them are unarguably the vilest of the vile. Murderers, rapists, drug dealers, child molesters & killers. When set free, this scum went about what do they best; that which put them in prison.

Now for the punch line: they were loosed upon the public to avoid lawsuits should any of the scum be harmed or killed by the effects of hurricane Katrina!

I have several ELOs in my family that relate incidents and stories about the insurrection ( so described by our own Sheriff, Jack Stephens) in New Orleans that can challenge just about any urban riot movie no matter how far-fetched the plot.

Now for the good news:
My daughter and son-in-law are cops in the city of Gretna, just across the Miss. River from N.O. There, armed residents are on foot patrolling their neighborhoods. This takes pressure off LEOs to be in the 'hot spots' where they are sorely needed. To quote my daughter: " these guys are a blessing & relief to us cops working 12 hr. shifts"......."some I spoke to are combat vets who obviously know how-and can- pop a cap on a would be looter ". Amen!

Genuine Home Land Security at work.

I seethe with anger when the media turds focus on Katrina "news" that is so far removed from truth that it defies description. That includes ALL media.

My Dearly Beloved & I so look forward to returning home that we may embrace our loved ones there. Our home and surrounding area mostly survived the 30' storm surge & 160MPH winds only to be contaminated by crude oil and benzene from nearby Murphy Oil Refinery. Murphy denies any responsibility because they claim " it was an act of GOD". Sheesh!

Our entire home town of St. Bernard Parish is locked down except for LEO and personnell neccessary for recovery and haz-mat control. For your information and reading pleasure I'll soon post a hyper-link that Ya'll might get a better unadulterated picture of events as they really are.

Thanks again to all for your prayers and good wishes.

From Deltona, FL..........Hal Leaming

Bret4207

09-17-2005, 03:43 AM

Glad to hear you're OK Walltube.

walltube

09-17-2005, 12:16 PM

I must give thanks and credit to members of the Alabama & Oregon National Guard, Georgia State Troopers, LAPD SWAT members, and other agencies that came to the aid of all the beleguered peace officers that were overwhelmed not only by the enormity of a natural disaster, but outrageous acts of violence by an unchecked criminal element that for a time had it's way with a defenseless and unarmed populace.

Unfortunates trapped inside The Super Dome posing as a shelter suffered at the hands of these vile creatures. Another awful place that may not see print is the New Orleans Convention Center where wholesale rape and murder took place. This is where martial law came into play when SpecOps turned the tide. Those guys don't need no steenking probable cause. Any and all of the gangbangers that refused to surrender immediatley were killed on the spot. They were born stupid and stayed that way to the end. Those that complied had their ankles and wrists broken that they might not escape. Besides, there were no facility to hold the miscreants. That's one answer to avoid the cruel and unusual punishment lawsuits. :>))

I know we fret about the gun confiscation thing and I do not like it any more than other poster here. What happened in N.O. was not by a long shot the "authorities" stripping citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights. There were, and still probably are, people there who think brandishing a firearm will scare off an organised group of thugs bent on murder. That my friends is just another crime of oportunity for the criminals to secure another firearm from another dead citizen who just thought he stare them down. A sensible person will not go outside his home alone with an unconcealed gun. To do else is foolish. It invites the gang bangers to a showdown, they LIKE outnumbering and killing such fools. Yes, it happened many times.

Thus the confiscation of arms owned by stupid people who were warned to KEEP YOUR GUNS INSIDE YOUR HOMES!

Do not believe the drivel of a lying media bent on sensationalising a terrible event for their own selfish gain. I wish there were a way for truthful and accurate accounts to be made public. Truth lays hidden in the shadows denied the light of revelation. Tass and Goebbles should have had it so good.

Be of good cheer,

Hal Leaming

grumble

09-17-2005, 01:20 PM

It sure is a relief to see you back and posting, amigo. We were all pretty concerned for you. Do you know yet how everything is going to work out for you?

8mmshooter

09-17-2005, 03:08 PM

Sure glad to see you and yours are all safe and sound Walltube. Good to see that you were one of the folks that used common sense to get out of the area while the gettin was good; although I know that must have been a hard decision to make. God bless you and yours. 8mmshooter

lar45

09-17-2005, 03:45 PM

Sounds to me like you lie and say you have no guns, keep them hidden when the knock comes. Or have a throw away gun to give up without any hassle. Some elcheapo $40 38 spl to hand over and say, that's it. It's all I've ever needed, could you show me if it's loaded or not?? Play dumb.
Or do they come in and tear the place apart searching?
If they come in like the ATF breaking stuff, stomping on your dog, makeing comments about the women folk...
Then you treat them like goblins, and start takeing heads off with your 12ga.

Or do we give up all, and then sit around waiting for the rape gangs to come buy, saying I saw the po-lice was already here, I think I'll help my self??

SharpsShooter

09-17-2005, 05:18 PM

Walltube,

Great to see ya back. Many were concerned for you well being and still stand ready to extend a helping hand if you need.

walltube

09-17-2005, 06:22 PM

javascript:ol('http://www.stbernardparishgovernment.com/page4.html');

I tried in vain to get the above posted as a hyper link, but a new fangled lap top in the hands of an old fangled man is in need of some refinement. :>) .

Thanks again for all the continued good wishes and concern for our well being. Yes we bailed out with time to spare.

Lar45,

To grasp the reality and circumstances of events that led to the confiscation of privately owned firearms one would have to have been there. So many Big-Box stores, pawn shops, gun shops, homes, etc. were looted to the bare walls by the criminals that any gun was suspected as stolen. Cops, EMT, National Gaurd rescue teams ALL came under fire from the gangbangers. I am not aware of any ATF\FBI HRT style raids you allude to. But that doesn't
mean it didn't happen. Discussion of things political are not allowed here and that's a good rule. I know for sure passions would flare if I were to give brief history of NEW Orleans banana republic politics. That my friends would give a glimpse of 50 yrs. worth of unbridled corruption and how things came to be after Katrina's arrival and departure.

Now I gotta figure where to pack all those WWs I've been collecting along the roadside here!! A bored boolit caster is a dangerous thing :>)...

From the confines of a Best Western Motel room,

Hal & Jane Leaming

lar45

09-17-2005, 08:39 PM

WallTube, I was responding to the what if it comes to your house/ local disaster?? What would you do??
Obviously every situation will be different.
I couldn't hardly believe watching the news that the rescue people were comeing under fire.
They should take all the gang bangers in the area and put them on chain gangs to clean up the mess.
I liked that comment about the breaking of the wrist and or ankle to keep them from going on another spree. A bullet would have been much simpler. If they are caught in the act of unspeakable things, then just shoot them like vermin and be done with it.
I don't mean to sound rather off, but I've just about had an A&& full of all this stupid S&*) that doesn't need to be.

With all sincerity and respect
Glenn.

walltube

09-20-2005, 06:20 PM

The disaster did come to my house.

What separates St. Bernard & Plaquemines Parish from N.O. is that we did not have a murder for 32 months running. N.O. on the other hand will rack up a 3 to 5 per day average, 2 to 3 x that on weekends. N.O. earned & deserved every bit of attention it got from the military and law enforcement. And that includes firearm confiscation.

On the other hand our home town poses (ed) no such threat to the rescue folks that N.O. did. As a matter of fact our area recieved very little aid in the way so melodramatically displayed in N.O. by a whorish press. We took care of our own with what little resources we had at hand. We are still on the short end of the stick. The press and certain national politicians do not like folks that actually cherish our 2nd Amendment and shoot back at criminals. My home town votes with alarming regularity to keep the Liberals out of work.

No Lar, I do not foresee anything remotely approaching the same military actions to sieze firearms in your hometown or mine in the near future as was done in N.O. What we do in the privacy of the voting booth and publicly in the op-ed pages of your local news papers however can keep it that way.

I do not wish to burn up any more bandwidth with the recent events in N.O., but I will post photo links to scenes you'll not likely see on TV. They will educate and enlighten. School agers will benefit. If Ya'll like me to do so please respond and I'll follow up ASAP.

Ever Grateful..........walltube

P.S. Lar........there aren't enough surviving gangbangers around to makeup a decent chain gang!!! ;>)

carpetman

09-20-2005, 07:30 PM

Roe VS Wade---The main two options for getting out of New Orleans.

lar45

09-20-2005, 10:27 PM

Roe VS Wade---The main two options for getting out of New Orleans.
LOL
I needed that chuckle

sundog

09-21-2005, 05:48 AM

Walltube, yes. Can you tell me how the towns of Lutcher and Pauline survived? I have a service buddy there I am concerned about. I wrote him a letter, and it was returned stamped no recepticle. Glad you and yours are doing okay. My sister's house in S. Fla. was damaged by Katrina and took another hit yesterday from Rita. She can't even get a roof estimate as all the roofers are so busy they can only get to each one in turn. sundog

walltube

09-21-2005, 09:54 AM

I sent a reply to your post earlier this morn but it obviously didn't get thru. Best Western here keeps changing access to the net. ARRGGGH! No matter though.......

I know nothing of conditions in Lutcher. It's a safe bet that area did not suffer the 30' surge. 130 mph wind damage is a more likely scenario.

There is no USPS delivery to the Lutcher Zip. All mail is routed thru N.O. main office. This building met the same fate as all others. Cell phone communication is at best tenuous. Cell towers are damaged by wind and water. Area codes 504, 985 and 228 are affected.

I wish you good luck getting in touch with your bud. Be patient.

walltube

walltube

09-21-2005, 10:20 AM

Roe VS Wade---The main two options for getting out of New Orleans.

You're a pip I tell ya.........:>)

The N.O. based law firm of Bachstroke & Unterwasser has filed another class action suit against the levee builders for not shoving enough fingers into their leaky dykes. We'll see if this one will bear fruit.

Watching the rain in Deltona....

Walltube

SharpsShooter

09-23-2005, 04:45 AM

Guys, I am a Life Member of the NRA, but had been wondering, as many here have, just WHEN they were going to get involved. Lo and behold I get this in my email this morning. I'll share it with you.

(Fairfax, VA) - Today, the National Rifle Association (NRA) filed a motion in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana seeking a temporary restraining order to block authorities from confiscating law-abiding citizens' firearms in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

"New Orleans is the first city in the United States to forcibly disarm peaceable law-abiding citizens and it must be the last. Victims are dealing with a complete breakdown of government. At a time when 911 is non-operational and law enforcement cannot respond immediately to calls for help, people have only the Second Amendment to protect themselves, their loved ones and their property," said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

"The NRA stands with law-abiding Americans, who agree that at their most vulnerable moment, their right to defend themselves and their families should not be taken away," said Chris W. Cox, NRA's chief lobbyist.

According to The New York Times, the New Orleans superintendent of police directed that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns and that "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons." ABC News quoted New Orleans' deputy police chief, saying, "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons."

"The NRA is determined to stop this blatant abuse of power by local politicians. It is disgraceful that any government official would further endanger the lives of innocent victims by issuing this ridiculous order. We are very grateful to the many rank and file police officers who have come forward and assisted NRA in exposing these violations of constitutional freedoms. We are also pleased that the Second Amendment Foundation is joining us in this effort," added Cox.

"The actions of the New Orleans government have destroyed the one levee that stands between law-abiding citizens and anarchy - the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The NRA will not rest until this injustice is resolved," concluded LaPierre.

Buckshot

09-26-2005, 04:29 AM

..............It will surely be interesting to see what happens. I hope the responsible heads roll. Every law abiding person in this country regardless of political persuasion should be up in arms over this blatant outrage. But of course, so many sucking down the morning latte before warming the seat of their Beemer on the way to work don't have enough imagination to think they would ever have to be personally responsibel for their own safety.

I hope the NRA goes for the throat on this one.

............Buckshot

felix

09-28-2005, 02:09 PM

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out, and those people who were impoverished died."

Signed,
Ted Kennedy

....................

"Ditto".

Signed,
Mary Jo Kopechne

....................

Frank46

09-28-2005, 11:40 PM

Trpr.Brett, rumor mill here in LA says that some 100 New York State Troopers will be coming down here and will be sworn in so they can work down here. Sounds stupid to me. I believe that you already were sworn in. Guess the powers that be down here feel better having you sworn in here as well, nothing like complicating the obvious. Seems our politicos are running true to form. Frank

9.3X62AL

09-29-2005, 06:19 AM

Felix--

No subject illustrates the vacuous and near-absent moral code of the American liberal mindset than the serial re-election of this rumpot to the Senate by the people of Massachusetts. Nicely put, I must say.

Bret4207

09-29-2005, 03:37 PM

Frank- Yeah, they finally got around to sending 100 guys. It's volunteer and after reading the suggestions to update a bunch of shots and that the chance of contracting ecoli or something was high and bunch of other things I'm probably not supposed to talk about I declined. I got some weird skin disease during 9/11, as yet undiagnosed, and SWMBO wasn't to thrilled with the idea of the old guy wading around in sewage, etc., and coming home with more odd problems. Let the young bucks have the glory and the doctors visits. It's been a month. Not like I'd be saving a life if I went. Seems awful late to me.

Frank46

09-29-2005, 11:23 PM

Tpr.Brett, speaking of 9/11. The city had erected monitors in the area of the WTC to check on pollutants, such as asbestos, concrete dust and others. Now it was said that there were no such pollutants released after the twin towers fell. But the police, fire dept and rescue services folks have a nagging cough from the dust and other particulates. I have pleural asbestosis. Now they say the wading through all the muck and water is not harmful. Guess thats another political spin on downplaying the obvious health concerns.You cannot tell me that wading through water that has been contaminated with gasoline, diesel fuel, feces, sewage and other contaminints is going to be good for your health. Maybe gov blanco should walk there to prove it ain't so. But that'll never happen. Frank

Bret4207

09-30-2005, 04:18 AM

Not to stir the pot, and I know the guy is Mr. Unpopular, but I got quite a kick out of former FEMA chief Brown in front of the High and Mighty Congress. I listened to some of it and I figure he pretty much told it plain. FEMA isn't a rescue organization, it's a coordinating and communications agency with check writing capabilites. I rather enjoyed Brown basicly saying to some Senator or Congressman, "Hey, evacuation isn't my job. The State and City dropped the ball as shown by Mississippi, Flordia, Alabama and Texas. They were warned but the in-fighting and politics got in the way. What can I do when they won't listen?" I wish Bush would throw the nice guy politics to the side and pull a Regan and just flat out tell the public that La. and NO made their own problems and they could solve them themselves. But, Bush isn't that kind of guy. He'll fight it with a check book and my support for him will dwindle with every dollar spent, just like it did when he paid the 9/11 familys survivor benifits. That set the precedent and was the wrong, although compasionate, decision. What really burns me is the press throwing all the blame of the Feds while ignoring the mis-appropriations of funds meant for levey repair and maintainance. For gosh sakes, they used levey dollars to build a convention center and it's Bushs fault???? I'd do better to just turn the radio and tv off, not read the paper and sell everything I own but my guns and tools. Then I should rent a trailer and live off welfare. I'd be much more content except I'd be what I hate. Ignorant.

bascom32423

09-30-2005, 07:36 AM

To my friends and family:

(From a Mc Comb Resident)

What I have seen since Katrina:

The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm.

Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt
by the storm.

Christian people giving, giving, giving.

Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name.

Neighbors going door to door helping one another.

Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for
someone vulnerable.

Ice and water being fought over as police tried to
keep the peace.

People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty
houses because shelters are full.

Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying
for a week still serving it.

The Churches all over this part of the country doing
what Christians do in a crisis.

The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters.

The Salvation Army doing a great job in the community.

Four Hundred linemen from everywhere bringing back the
power to our homes, churches and businesses.

Lines at service stations a block, to a mile long.

National Guardsman patrolling the streets of Mc Comb
along with Kentucky policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of
Mc Comb, Pike County and New Orleans (the most dangerous city in
the world before Katrina.)

Drug dealers working outside shelters.

Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working
tirelessly, even sleeping in the hospital.

________WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN ___________

The ACLU setting up a feeding line.

People for the American Way helping in the shelters.

The NAACP doing any work whatsoever.

The American Atheist organization serving meals in the
shelters.

Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations.

I could go on but you get my message. Its the
Christian people with love and compassion who do the work.

The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in
line to pass the water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck,
Teddy and all the sorry loafers we call Senators and Congressmen. They
don't have a clue as to what this life is all
about here on the Gulf Coast.

Boy I feel better now.

sundog

09-30-2005, 08:29 AM

Bret, FEMA should have been named Federal Emergency RECOVERY ASSISTANCE Agency. Emergencies don't get managed, they get reponded to. No way the Fed should play the role that local and state should.

And as far as doling out bucks to 9/11 victims' survivors. Wrong!

Whoever the idiot was that thought up disarming law abiding private citizens [NO] should be run out of town on a rail. sundog

grumble

09-30-2005, 08:37 AM

Right on all counts, Bret. I couldn't agree more.

I watched most of the House Select Committee hearing on Michael Brown, and I thought he did an excellent job of not only defending himself, but of telling the committee what actually happened. As events unfold, he's being proven to be right and the La politicos are looking worse and worse. The corruption in that state could only be rivaled by a place such as New Mexico. <GGG>

The newsies can't abide a straight talker, especially when he gores some of their sacred cows. And some congress critters will continue to ignore truth and fact and try to ruin his life -- just to make themselves look better. As a political matter, I don't suppose it will be possible to do anything except throw money into that particular bayou.