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stu925
04-14-2014, 09:31 PM
A few months ago I posted about wanting to get into casting my own boolits. I started out by reading from ingot to target and since then I've gone about acquiring the equipment and just started casting a couple of weeks ago. So I figured now that I've got some boolits under my belt I'd share my experience with you guys since you're the ones that inspired me to actually go forward with the idea. I also figured I'd share what I have learned so far with anyone that might be on the fence about this whole thing.

So my initial plan was to build a smelter using a heating element and an old #10 coffee can, I would then use a stainless steel pot to melt the lead and use a ladle to pour into the mold. I ordered a Lee 2 cavity .452" 255gr RNFP mold and a Lee ladle along with a Lee sizing kit and a stick of Lyman Alox. Fired up my home built smelter and tried the ladle routine but the Lee ladle sucks four pouring into a mold, that straight handle makes it near impossible to keep the lead in the ladle. I also found out that my heating element would get hot enough to melt the lead (barely) but by the time I got the ladle full of lead to the mold it was already starting to solidify. First attempt: Fail!

So I decided to just bite the bullet and go ahead and order the Lee 4 20lb bottom pour pot. When it arrived I could hardly wait to get started so out to the shop I went where I put a big box fan in the window for ventilation and fired up the new pot. While the pot heated up I decided I could use my home built rig for a mold warmer so I put the mold on top of it and brought the mold up to temp. Once the lead and mold reached temp I prepped the mold, I used the Lyman Alox stick to lube the pins, handles and sprue plate screw I then went through about 20 wooden matches smoking the mold (wanted to make sure I got every last millimeter of the cavities). Ok now I was ready to pour, I figured it would be a little while before I had boolits worth keeping and I was right. The first 100 boolits or so kept coming out wrinkled and eventually I figured out that I had gotten a little heavy handed with the Alox and contaminated the mold. So once the mold cooled down I got out the Acetone and a brush and scrubbed the mold down. Once dry and back up to temp I started casting again. The boolits came out great but the first bunch were a little frosty, backed the temp down and I was finally happy with the end result. I found that the boolits were coming out .453" and were averaging 255.8gr so I figured my alloy had to be pretty close to what Lee used when making the Mold.

I tumble lubed the boolits and then ran them through the sizer, then lubed again. I'm very happy so far but as of yet haven't had the chance to shoot any of them, hopefully I'll get the chance to fire off the bunch I loaded today either Thursday or Friday. By the way I hate the tumble lubing bit, it's a mess and I found that after I loaded the bullet in the case I needed to wipe off the excess lube from the ogive of the bullet. Eventually I'll either pan lube or better yet pick up a lubri-sizer. Eventually I'll want to pick up a hardness tester and I should get a casting thermometer which will probably be in the next order I put in.

Here's some pictures:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/Gun%20Pics/Moldwarmer_zpscecbbd88.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/Gun%20Pics/Moldwarmer_zpscecbbd88.jpg.html)
This is the home built rig that I ended up using as a mold warmer. It works great for that purpose but didn't work at all for smelting.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/Gun%20Pics/castingpot2_zpsa176fe77.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/Gun%20Pics/castingpot2_zpsa176fe77.jpg.html)
My new Lee 4-20 casting pot full of lead shot which is what I'm using right now. I know the alloy isn't perfect for casting boolits but I had about 100lbs of it and wanted to do something with it since I have more shotgun shells than I'm ever going to use loaded already.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/Gun%20Pics/Boolits_zpsf60c69a2.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/Gun%20Pics/Boolits_zpsf60c69a2.jpg.html)
The first batch of useable boolits. I'm really happy with the way they turned out.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/Gun%20Pics/finalproduct_zpsd2123c63.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/Gun%20Pics/finalproduct_zpsd2123c63.jpg.html)
This is the Ruger Blackhawk that started this whole thing along with some rounds I loaded up today. Hopefully I'll get to try them out this week.

You guys have been an inspiration to a beginning caster and while I haven't posted much at all I've found a ton of info here in the stickies and various threads. I imagine I'll have plenty of questions as I progress and hope you guys don't mind answering a few. For right now I think the only questions I have is has anyone had any luck loading cast boolits in a Marlin 336 .35 Remington with micro groove rifling? Does anyone have any tips for such a venture?

-Stu

osteodoc08
04-14-2014, 10:41 PM
Awesome. Nice pictures and story.

Happy shooting and welcome.

454PB
04-14-2014, 11:19 PM
I have had great luck with the RCBS .35-200-FN in my Marlin 336 .35 Remington. I size at .358" and load to around 2000 fps.

While reading your post, I could see what was coming when you started lubing that new mould. For me, no lubing and no smoking.

DrCaveman
04-14-2014, 11:49 PM
Cool show n tell. I like the mold warmer. Are you using a 5th burner/hotplate inside the can or naked heating element?

I dont have the 35 rem, but my 336 in 30-30 microgroove likes the boolits pretty large, and water quenching for hardness has helped my accuracy.

sthwestvictoria
04-15-2014, 03:44 AM
Great write up and pictures. I would second 454PB about the no smoking. I realise the Lee mold instructions suggest this but there is controversy with this. I have inherited some very abused molds with the vent lines completely full of carbon and the lube grooves half full due to repeated smoking.
I do lube the Lee mold - however very little - a cotton bud dipped in synthetic 2 stroke oil and dabbed very sparingly on the sprue plate hinge and pins.


By the way I hate the tumble lubing bit, it's a mess and I found that after I loaded the bullet in the case I needed to wipe off the excess lube from the ogive of the bullet.
-Stu
Have a look at this stickie:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?67654-Tumble-Lubing-Made-Easy-amp-Mess-Free

as the Recluse formula and method allows the LLA to dry harder. This then does not pick up pocket fluff and dirt. You may also be using too much if there is so much LLA you are gumming up seating die.

RedHawk357Mag
04-15-2014, 06:42 AM
Great post and welcome. This months Handloader has an article about the Marlin rifle you inquired about. Might be worth a read. It had some info about casting troubles but way more info here (better as well). Enjoy.

Pb2au
04-15-2014, 08:33 AM
Welcome to the site!
Excellent write up. You did your homework and now you are making good boolits, nothing could be finer.

Cherokee
04-15-2014, 08:40 AM
Welcome to the new world, have fun....

stu925
04-15-2014, 06:36 PM
Cool show n tell. I like the mold warmer. Are you using a 5th burner/hotplate inside the can or naked heating element?

I dont have the 35 rem, but my 336 in 30-30 microgroove likes the boolits pretty large, and water quenching for hardness has helped my accuracy.

Actually it's the heating element from a hot pot like this one http://www.target.com/p/sunbeam-hot-pot-express-32-oz/-/A-14003476. I kind of thought going into it that it might now be a high enough wattage for what I had planned but since it was free I figured I had to try.

I forgot to mention in the OP that I managed to trade into a couple of brand new Lee molds, a 2 cavity and a 6 cavity .452" 200gr RNFP. Don't know why he bought both but he never used them. I did try out the 6 cavity mold and find the learning curve with that mold is a little bit steeper but I think I've got my issues ironed out now. I figured those boolits will work well in the .45 ACP cylinder for my Blackhawk and may shoot well out of my 1911 as well.

454PB, thanks for the heads up on the .35, that's the mold I was looking at also so I may have to order one up.

RedHawk357Mag, I'll take a look for that Handloader this week when I make my weekly pilgrimage looking for .22lr ammo.

sthwestvictoria, I'll be checking out that sticky this evening, hopefully it'll cure my issue. I haven't gummed up any dies yet with the stuff, I just don't like the fact that everything sticks to those bullets with the liquid alox so I've been wiping it off with a rag once the bullets are seated.

Thanks again for all the info guys, I'll make sure to post up my progress especially once I start casting for that .35 Rem. I love shooting that rifle but it gets expensive quick so hopefully casting will be an effective venture for it.

Stu

jlchucker
04-18-2014, 09:30 AM
35 Remington??? Boolits from the RCBS 35-200 flatnose mold and the 35 Remington go together like cold beer goes with pretzels. Try casting some and sizing to .359 first, and a moderate load with 3031 or 748 powder and the first group that you shoot will probably surprise you, and pleasantly so.

stu925
04-18-2014, 11:04 AM
I got out this morning to the gun club with my Blackhawk and 40 rounds loaded with my new cast boolits over 9.0gr of Unique. All 40 rounds fired without a hitch and all hit their marks so that's a step in the right direction. I found no trace of leading in the barrel afterwards which I'm pretty happy about also. All rounds were fired at 25yds on a standard B27 target (the only ones I had on hand) except for a few fired at the falling plate rack at 15yds. No issues whatsoever with these boolits so now I have to load up some of the .452" 200gr RNFP for the .45ACP cylinder and my 1911 and try them in both guns, hopefully I'll have a similar experience with these. Here's some pictures:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/WholeTarget_zpsa8fc1794.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/WholeTarget_zpsa8fc1794.jpg.html)
A picture of the whole target, I'm still getting used to this gun and I need to replace the grips so I can get a consistent and repeatable grip on it. I'm absolutely positive I can tighten that up once I replace those grips.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/stu925/finalgroup_zps5d06dced.jpg (http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/stu925/media/finalgroup_zps5d06dced.jpg.html)
My last group of the morning, 6 shots fired off hand at 25yds. I could do a little better with a pistol rest but I have no idea where mine is.

Overall I don't think I could be any happier with these boolits, they work great. Thanks again for the wealth of information you guys have here.

Stu

Whitespider
04-18-2014, 05:09 PM
I well remember the first perfect lookin', shiny boolit that fell from my first mold... it's damn hard to forget... the friggin' blisters left scars on my fingers.