Fantasy Vintage Cedar Strip Canoe Build in pic

[Just Duke]

Barbie and fantasize building a couple of these in our shop. They would crack and split in three months in this dry state of Nevada though.
They would have to be up built up north. Nothing wrong with dreaming.
I can just picture us cruising down an OR or WA river wearing Filson Buffalo Plaid Jackets and wool bibs, Russell Mocassin Boots with our canvas wall tents and two of our 1886 Winchester 45-70's.
Life preservers of course. ;)
Can anyone add canoe pics?


This one is made from White Cedar. I would only have access to Red Cedar.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/Canoe.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/CANOE/otca_16_top_lg-1.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/CANOE/otca_16_angl_lg.jpg




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloZc5ATK9w


http://www.oldtowncanoe.com/canoes/classic_wood/otca_16.html


Top one is a SOLID FRAME
Bottom two are TAKE DOWNS



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This young fella is not me by the way.
I have the outfit though.
Very Vintage as how I like it
Russell makes some fine boots. A bit over price but nice.
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/SAFARI/IMG_3970-1.jpg

[Just Duke]

These would be fun do build and a no brainer that's for sure.

Wanigans
http://www.islandnet.com/~canoes/wanigan.htm


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[Just Duke]

Here's the boat and price. http://www.oldtowncanoe.com/canoes/classic_wood/otca_16.html $7999.00 plus tax. OUCH!!! See why I'm building a couple?

[JeffinNZ]

HHHMMMM. Got me thinking about floating things again.

[Just Duke]

HHHMMMM. Got me thinking about floating things again.

I figured you'd like this Jeff. I can talk you through this one. What's Skype?
Does NZ have Cedar or any other straight grained open cell wood about?

[BruceB]

We used canvas-covered cedar-strip canoes very extensively in northern Canada. Since so much of the country is extremely rocky, it took great care to avoid leak-causing damage to the canvas covering.... even an abrasion to the paint on the canvas could cause a leak. Patching kits were essential. Canvas, glue and paint were included in the kit.

In the winter months , some of our exploration-department time was spent in replacing the canvas on those of our canoes that needed such attention.

An old (60s?) Indian gent named Sam Otto taught me how to do that job, and it's NOT exactly simple. We had about a dozen company-owned canoes, all canvas-covered cedar, from about seventeen feet to twenty-six feet. All were freighter designs of one type or another except a couple of paddlers that could be flown out on Cessna 180/185 and similar-sized aircraft for short-term projects in the bush.

A 25-HP kicker on the big canoes could really make them move, even with a ton or two of load aboard!

Anyway, I learned the art of re-covering well enough that I successfully re-canvassed a couple of my own canoes in later years.

Canoes are remarkable craft. With an absolute minimum of commotion or effort, they can transport large loads over long distances. Unlike what "everyone knows", they are very safe and seaworthy boats... IF the users know what they're doing.

A six-horse Evinrude on my 18-foot freighter would troll for about a week's worth of fishing on one 5-gallon tank of gas. That one full tank, plus a 5-gallon jerry can, could push the canoe for hundreds of miles, if need be...at fifteen miles per hour! Whipped the daylights out of paddling, which lost its charm when WORK (and the perspective of a few more years) entered the picture.

I sure enjoyed my years in canoes, and this thread has re-awakened some cherished memories.

[Just Duke]

That was a great story and thanks for sharing Bruce.
The fantasy build would covered with real fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin.

Also options. ;)
http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/Abrasion.htm

[6bg6ga]

Duke,

Think 12' flat bottom boat with a 18 hp evinrude motor on it. Cheap, functional and easy to obtain.

[Just Duke]

Duke,

Think 12' flat bottom boat with a 18 hp evinrude motor on it. Cheap, functional and easy to obtain.

Hey man but the canoe is an aesthetic vintage anachronism. Get it? ;)

[6bg6ga]

It requires one to paddle to move it. Just too much work.:grin:

[Dryball]

That would be one sweet ride.

[Just Duke]

It requires one to paddle to move it. Just too much work.:grin:

No problem I would sitting behind you paddling also.

[Just Duke]

I put this up here out of boredom. I sprained my wrist a couple days ago and need to recover in case anyone is wondering.

[CastingFool]

I have always thought it would be fun to make a cedar strip canoe, but never got around it. In my case, I would have to make a trailer, too, as my truck is a short bed. I had a 17ft aluminum canoe, that I eventually sold. It just sat in my yard, 'cause I couldn't transport it.

[Just Duke]

I have always thought it would be fun to make a cedar strip canoe, but never got around it. In my case, I would have to make a trailer, too, as my truck is a short bed. I had a 17ft aluminum canoe, that I eventually sold. It just sat in my yard, 'cause I couldn't transport it.

A ladder rack would work perfect. Yuppies back east haul these on ski racks on the top of their cars

[mikeym1a]

You take up some really neat projects. I don't have the talent. One of my 'dreams' when I got back from Vietnam was to go to my uncle's farm in Waynesboro, Va, get one of his canoes, and come downriver to my home in Front Royal. But, soon as I got out of the service and returned home, my pop made me got to work (one days rest). then I got married and had to be the responsible breadwinner. It's still in the back of my mind; you reminded me of it. Nice dream. I enjoy your posts. mikey

[Just Duke]

You take up some really neat projects. I don't have the talent. One of my 'dreams' when I got back from Vietnam was to go to my uncle's farm in Waynesboro, Va, get one of his canoes, and come downriver to my home in Front Royal. But, soon as I got out of the service and returned home, my pop made me got to work (one days rest). then I got married and had to be the responsible breadwinner. It's still in the back of my mind; you reminded me of it. Nice dream. I enjoy your posts. mikey

Mike everyone has talent. You have talent. This is 500 year old technology.

[beezapilot]

Waaaaayyyy back in the '70's the price of scrap metal spiked pretty hard. I was at a yard sale and there was a ratty old canoe with lots of brass fittings and put together with copper nails, most of the canvas haning in shards, capitalism running in my veins I thought I'd buy it for the $5 asking price, bring it home and burn it, rake out the scrap and turn a tidy profit. When I got home I ripped off the remaining canvas to find the hull intact save for one hole about 1"X2". So I cut a dutchman to go into it, slathered it up with my first fiberglass job, and used it until some old timer pointed out that it was a very early Oldtown. Still hanging in the barn, I'd no idea that they sold for that much.....


PS- If you're in the PNW Port Orford Cedar is a good option too.

PPS- A great read, although hard to find- Canoeing with the Cree- Erik Sevareid (yeah, the news guy)

[waksupi]

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We have built them of both spruce, and cedar. Longest one was a 32' freighter canoe. They are surprisingly durable. We took the freighter through some rapids the locals told us no canoe had ever survived. We shipped some water, but no damage.
The big ones are stable enough, a 300# member stood on the gunwale, and bounced up and down. He couldn't come anywhere near tipping it over.
For night camp, we would roll them on the side, stretch canvas over them, using the paddles for poles, and have a large shelter for sleeping.

[tomme boy]

Cedar strip boats are a thing of beauty. Especially when they have been sealed in epoxy then about 10 coats of spar urethane over it.

[Just Duke]

PS- If you're in the PNW Port Orford Cedar is a good option too.

PPS- A great read, although hard to find- Canoeing with the Cree- Erik Sevareid (yeah, the news guy)

Thanks for the heads up. That just jogged my memory. Port Orford Cedar can be had up in Anacortes WA I remember now.

[Just Duke]

Cedar strip boats are a thing of beauty. Especially when they have been sealed in epoxy then about 10 coats of spar urethane over it.

Glass and epoxy also. I'm playing with the idea on using an opaque Kevlar. Not the yellow stuff that's for sure.

[Just Duke]

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[Just Duke]

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/CANOE/CBGZ1BmkKGrHqQOKkYEzmE1z0IBNGQqeg6g_3.jpg~original (http://s921.photobucket.com/user/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/media/CANOE/CBGZ1BmkKGrHqQOKkYEzmE1z0IBNGQqeg6g_3.jpg.html)


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[bdicki]

https://www.google.com/search?q=adirondack+boat&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qDQ7U_bUL9SqsQShq4GgCg&ved=0CDMQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643

[tomme boy]

You have to use some kind of UV protectant over epoxy. The epoxy will degrade very fast and start to turn yellow. Duke, you have a link for the Kevlar? I have used A couple of places for epoxy. Raka and USComposites. Both have worked well. The Raka had less blush between coats. That is about the only difference I had. Other than the mess ups that were my fault. I like the canoe link. It reminds me of the Pirogue boats. They are easy to make.

[HollandNut]

built a 17' cedar strip around 2005 , took almost a year of my "spare" time , got the plans off the internet somewhere , thunk I had pitchers on the computer

Been fascinated with them ever since as a kid reading a book about Jacques Cartier around the Hudson Bay ?? in the 1600's

[Garyshome]

Now that's a hole in the water waiting for a boat load of money!

[Just Duke]

You have to use some kind of UV protectant over epoxy.

Marine Epoxy. Been there done that. ;)

[Just Duke]

Now that's a hole in the water waiting for a boat load of money!

Much cheaper than raising a child from birth to college. ;)
Dude this thing is cheap cheap to build.

[6bg6ga]

Much cheaper than raising a child from birth to college. ;)
Dude this thing is cheap cheap to build.

Ok, your forcing me to say I cannot swim. It may be a cheap thing to build but I will never get inside one. Made that mistake years ago and went in the drink. Totally horrified. I would sooner face a rattlesnake and I don't like them either.

[frank505]

Menards has a plan book to build strip canoes,complete with detailed blueprints.

[nekshot]

Enjoy the thread! I thought of making a wooden boat with a v8 in it for power. I looked at the kits a couple years ago thinking I should broaden my hobby a bit and when I saw the price tag I quickly lost interest. Now a canoe would kinda be fun to build.

[shooter93]

Making one of these is on my to do list. I don't doubt I can make it...the problem is taking the time and shop space to do it. Not even sure I'd keep it as I've had a couple people ask me about selling it when it's finished.

[TCLouis]

6bg6ga

That is why they make life vests.

[Just Duke]

6bg6ga

That is why they make life vests.

And wading pools. And water wings.

[Just Duke]

http://www.aeromarineproducts.com/?gclid=CKmr0t6cu68CFSc0QgoddUUglA

[6bg6ga]

And wading pools. And water wings.

You guys are killing me

[Just Duke]

You guys are killing me

Seriously you can see them HERE (http://shtfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/water-wings.jpg) :)

[6bg6ga]

Seriously I would NEVER wear them. Its easier to stay away from water or simple to rent a motor boat. No one gives it a second thought if your in a power boat wearing a life jacket because a lot of states require them now.

[Just Duke]

Seriously I would NEVER wear them. Its easier to stay away from water or simple to rent a motor boat. No one gives it a second thought if your in a power boat wearing a life jacket because a lot of states require them now.

I'm kidding.

[6bg6ga]

Good! I don't have to worry about a canoe ride now. I will admire them from dry ground.

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMSwz5BWGo

[prsman23]

Great. There goes another grand and 200 hrs of my life. Thanks guys. :-/
Seriously. Already bought a few books. Planning the timeline in my brain.

[Stephen Cohen]

I have always been interested in your American Indians and now even more so, thank you for that great video their skill is unbelievable.

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDlEfKrksFM

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7arNuCemc

[6bg6ga]

I can see splinters in my fingers.

[Just Duke]

Great. There goes another grand and 200 hrs of my life. Thanks guys. :-/
Seriously. Already bought a few books. Planning the timeline in my brain.

You can build these with hand tools. Also you have these things up your way called trees. We have none to speak of here.
A Froe club is made from the root ball of a dogwood tree sapling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEisEnENyg

[dilly]

I have always been interested in your American Indians and now even more so, thank you for that great video their skill is unbelievable.

I don't know much about Australia but the Mauri around New Zealand have made some pretty interesting canoes too. Solid, ornate boats that would take a lot of craftsmanship.

[prsman23]

Also you have these things up your way called trees. We have none to speak of here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEisEnENyg

Never heard of them. Trees you say????

Anyway. Cool video. I was thinking about doing it with mostly hand tools. But then the hours just added up. For my first I'll probably just go ahead and make the strips myself. Once I get back in town I'm off to the lumber yard.

[Just Duke]

Never heard of them. Trees you say????

Anyway. Cool video. I was thinking about doing it with mostly hand tools. But then the hours just added up. For my first I'll probably just go ahead and make the strips myself. Once I get back in town I'm off to the lumber yard.

Feel free to make yourself at home on this thread for all to see sir. I'm also available for contact for any consultation pro bono.

[mtnman31]

I've got an Old town canoe I purchased a few years back to restore. It is an 18' canvas covered canoe. I had originally intended to build a canoe from scratch and figured it might be better to start with a restoration and learn a few of the skills first. Anyway, the canoe is currently in the garage sitting on top of a car waiting for me to make time for it. The canvas is long gone and the hull has two holes that will both require repair as well as the adjacent ribs. The gunwales are rotten and the cane seats need repair. Unfortunately, I have just not had any time to work on the project. I have the wood for the gunwales and space to work, just no time at the moment. I'll get to it soon. My son will be old enough to go camping before long and I can't wait to take him to the places I camped and canoed when I was young.

Great thread, by the way.

[Just Duke]

I've got an Old town canoe I purchased a few years back to restore. It is an 18' canvas covered canoe. I had originally intended to build a canoe from scratch and figured it might be better to start with a restoration and learn a few of the skills first. Anyway, the canoe is currently in the garage sitting on top of a car waiting for me to make time for it. The canvas is long gone and the hull has two holes that will both require repair as well as the adjacent ribs. The gunwales are rotten and the cane seats need repair. Unfortunately, I have just not had any time to work on the project. I have the wood for the gunwales and space to work, just no time at the moment. I'll get to it soon. My son will be old enough to go camping before long and I can't wait to take him to the places I camped and canoed when I was young.

Great thread, by the way.

That was a great story MM. Perhaps you might share some pics of your vintage canoe with the rest of us.

[Just Duke]

Flute and Bead Router Bits

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/graphics4/flute_and_bead112.jpg
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/bt_flute.html

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ7gZrhaCnw

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXd0IjWoER4

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D-kVAEikac

[jeepyj]

A thread that hits close to home.... meaning for 16.5 years I was the closest house the Old Town Canoe Company. Two years ago the owners moved the factory two miles away to a newer facility. The demolition company took down the the last piece of the original building last week. The buildings covered approximately 2 acres.
I also just had a friend that hand pounds 8' brown ash logs into strips and makes pack baskets give me one as a present. Absolutely unbelievable tedious process. The gentleman in the photo is the maker of the prized workmanship. I enclosed a couple photos to show the process . Jeepyj
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[raingauge]

Hauling is no problem. I built a little single pole frame, looked like a fork, that was attached to my front bumper, on a CJ5. The roll bar was the back support. A 17 and a half foot Redbird rode just fine. Yeah I know, it probably looked funny, long canoe, short jeep, but it worked

[Col4570]

Many years ago as kids living near to a canal,we would frequent the local dump and pick up as many old cycle wheels we could get.These where cut in half and screwed down onto a 3x2 keel.Timber laths where screwed to the sides and bottom.A part wheel was screwed to the front and back of the keel.The frame was then covered with canvas and painted all over.Those old wheels made good canoes.

[HollandNut]

Here is my pics of the 17' cedar strip , I had it on the computer but not in photobucket

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/GroovyJack/Canoe4.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GroovyJack/media/Canoe4.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/GroovyJack/Canoe3.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GroovyJack/media/Canoe3.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/GroovyJack/Canoe6.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GroovyJack/media/Canoe6.jpg.html)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/GroovyJack/Canoe5.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/GroovyJack/media/Canoe5.jpg.html)

[mtnman31]

Duke,
Here is the only photo I could find. It is not the best photo - was taken a few years ago when I was moving. We thought it was funny because it reminded us of the Beverly Hillbillies, only we were headed out of Kalifornia. Above the rear wheel of the car you can see one of the holes in the canoe.


Hauling is no problem. I built a little single pole frame, looked like a fork, that was attached to my front bumper, on a CJ5. The roll bar was the back support. A 17 and a half foot Redbird rode just fine. Yeah I know, it probably looked funny, long canoe, short jeep, but it worked

The old Dodge is a big car and the canoe goes end to end.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Beverly_Hillbillies.jpg

[Just Duke]

Duke,
Here is the only photo I could find. It is not the best photo - was taken a few years ago when I was moving. We thought it was funny because it reminded us of the Beverly Hillbillies, only we were headed out of Kalifornia. Above the rear wheel of the car you can see one of the holes in the canoe.



The old Dodge is a big car and the canoe goes end to end.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Beverly_Hillbillies.jpg

Was that in the 70's?

[Just Duke]

I was pondering making some really nice little wicker fishing creels like I had in CO for fly fishing the creeks and rivers.

[Just Duke]

Then I remembered............. OR is just a bit different.
I also don't think they will fit through the hole in the basket.
http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mqkukAlrznQsFDzNOICDm7w.jpg


















Nope! to small.

Oregon Steelhead pic from a quick goggle search.
http://www.columbiariverfishingguideservice.com/big_salmon.jpg

[mtnman31]

Was that in the 70's?

Nope, 2010. The sun washed out the photo and made it look the way it does. Plus, I think the photo may have been taken with a cell phone.

[Pb2au]

Nope! to small.

Oregon Steelhead pic from a quick goggle search.
http://www.columbiariverfishingguideservice.com/big_salmon.jpg

We're gonna need a bigger boat Quint.

[Just Duke]

Barbie just said she would fillet this fish. I told her she would need a machete to fillet a fish that big. lol

[6bg6ga]

That's an old car. Can I have it?
It needs an Orange paint job, Union Jacks on the doors and hood, and some Busty Brunette babe in Daisy Duke's and cowboy boot in the passenger seat.
I can provide all three. :bigsmyl2:
Duke,

In your neck of the woods orange is forbidden as are busty uneducated brunette's products of incest.

[Just Duke]

We like the look of the OLD TOWN canoe style construction.
Looks like this is the way were going to go.


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/Canoe.jpg

http://langfordcanoe.com/category/canoes/classic-cedar/

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L42BNfPUipw

[HABCAN]

THANK YOU, Duke!! That video is..............'touching' in the extreme. Canoes are very special........!

[Pb2au]

I need to ignore this thread....
I need another project like a hole in the head.
But a retro cedar strip canoe would be the trick for chasing small mouth bass on the fly rod. The stream near where I hunt is loaded with greedy bass.

[Just Duke]

http://reflectionsoutdoors.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/facebook-images-a-reminder-of-the-k-w-canoe-symposium-a-standing-pry-the-profit-of-paddling-and-being-a-true-canadian-or-at-least-true-to-yourself/
http://reflectionsoutdoors.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/solo-voyageur-canoe.jpg

[Just Duke]

This is the one http://www.stewartriver.com/canoes/stillwater.html 16'10" Tandem Stillwater Canoe
http://www.stewartriver.com/supplies/plans.html

2 Videos http://www.stewartriver.com/supplies/videos.html

I'll change some dimensions and do a couple 20 footers also.
Plans for the 20 footer are in the back of the book. http://gilgilpatrick.com/strip-canoe.html
Several builders have told me that all you can use for the ribs is White Cedar. Red Cedar for the ribs will crack. Red Cedar for the sides is the correct wood.

[Just Duke]

http://weatherbys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/guides_in_canoes2.jpg
Grand Lake Canoes, 20 feet long, 4 feet wide cedar plank and rib canoes with a square stern and outboard.
http://weatherbys.com/registered-maine-guides
http://www.wooden-canoes.com/canoes/voyager.htm
http://www.wooden-canoes.com/documents/WoodenCanoeF.pdf
http://www.woodencanoes.com/

I really like these only the fella will not sell the plans. The complete boat is 8400.00 OUCH!
This is not rocket science that's for sure.


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[Just Duke]

Easy enough. Just change the stern design to more of a row boat style and I'm there. Put Put Put

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/CANOE/HERON.png~original (http://s921.photobucket.com/user/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/media/CANOE/HERON.png.html)

[Just Duke]

26 foot canoe http://nor-west.ca/nos-canots/

[6bg6ga]

http://weatherbys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/guides_in_canoes2.jpg
Grand Lake Canoes, 20 feet long, 4 feet wide cedar plank and rib canoes with a square stern and outboard.
http://weatherbys.com/registered-maine-guides
http://www.wooden-canoes.com/canoes/voyager.htm
http://www.wooden-canoes.com/documents/WoodenCanoeF.pdf
http://www.woodencanoes.com/

I really like these only the fella will not sell the plans. The complete boat is 8400.00 OUCH!
This is not rocket science that's for sure.


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Its got a motor on it too

[Just Duke]

Per your request.

[prsman23]

I need to ignore this thread....
I need another project like a hole in the head.
But a retro cedar strip canoe would be the trick for chasing small mouth bass on the fly rod. The stream near where I hunt is loaded with greedy bass.


Everyone else is doing it. Come on. Do it. What are you chicken????
Bawk bawk! :-)

[Pb2au]

Peer pressure does it every time......
I do have a wood working project laden year ahead of me. Might as well add another.
My house was built in 1900, so if you can't make it, you sure as heck are not going to buy it.
I rebuilt the frames and trim around three of my windows last year. All hand fitted and planed cedar. All of the frames in the walls are true 2x4's petrified to stone over 114 years.I have three more to do, plus two attic windows to restore.
Might as well add awesome retro canoe to build.

[BruceB]

Lovely photos.... they make me wish I still lived in the canoe country where i grew up and lived most of my adult life.

A square-stern canoe with a small outboard is surely one of the most-efficient ways to move a heavy load that was ever designed.

I had that 18' fiberglass freighter I mentioned earlier, with the 6HP Evinrude on its square stern.

On one occasion (when the water was fairly calm), I loaded four men including myself, and five dead caribou into that craft, and apart from sitting a bit deeper in the water, it still slipped along at very close to its normal speed.... behaving as a displacement hull, of course.

As long as the people involved are not afraid of a little spray, the freighter will tote those heavy loads even in rather rough water, and often do it more safely than most regular planing-hull boats.

The Indians around Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories, where I lived for several decades, still use big freighter canoes for much of their hunting, fishing and trapping. These may be as large as 26 feet with outboards up to the 35-40HP class. That lake is as much as 120 miles ACROSS, and over 500 miles long, so we're not speaking of white-water-and-portage canoeing. There are certainly lots of white-water streams flowing into Great Slave, but it's mostly white-guy tenderfeet who do the recreational-type stream paddling.

I love canoes.....

[Just Duke]

Lovely photos.... they make me wish I still lived in the canoe country where i grew up and lived most of my adult life.

A square-stern canoe with a small outboard is surely one of the most-efficient ways to move a heavy load that was ever designed.

I had that 18' fiberglass freighter I mentioned earlier, with the 6HP Evinrude on its square stern.

On one occasion (when the water was fairly calm), I loaded four men including myself, and five dead caribou into that craft, and apart from sitting a bit deeper in the water, it still slipped along at very close to its normal speed.... behaving as a displacement hull, of course.

As long as the people involved are not afraid of a little spray, the freighter will tote those heavy loads even in rather rough water, and often do it more safely than most regular planing-hull boats.

The Indians around Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories, where I lived for several decades, still use big freighter canoes for much of their hunting, fishing and trapping. These may be as large as 26 feet with outboards up to the 35-40HP class. That lake is as much as 120 miles ACROSS, and over 500 miles long, so we're not speaking of white-water-and-portage canoeing. There are certainly lots of white-water streams flowing into Great Slave, but it's mostly white-guy tenderfeet who do the recreational-type stream paddling.

I love canoes.....

Bruce, I have the battery jars charged up if you have the chance to send me a telegraph.

[Just Duke]

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/CANOE/26FootFreighter.jpg~original (http://s921.photobucket.com/user/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/media/CANOE/26FootFreighter.jpg.html)

I found the freighters you were talking about Bruce. Very Very COOL!
http://spectacularnwt.com/content/aurora-village?cate=40

[Just Duke]

Cad Plans http://store.gartsideboats.com/collections/all/products/shelburne-church-skiff-design-198

[BruceB]

What a co-incidence!

You see that brown house on the skyline behind the canoe?

I (personally) BUILT THAT HOUSE!

We lived there from about '75 to '82, after which we built a bigger and more-remote home about twenty miles out in the bush, on another pleasant lake-shore.

Note how tiny and sparse the trees are? The northern limit of trees is only a few miles to the north.

The photo is taken in the Old Town area of Yellowknife, where there are many float-plane bases. The water is part of Yellowknife Bay, on Great Slave's north shore. 9.3 Al, NVCurmudgeon, my two brothers and I, departed by Twin Otter from that very dock in 2010, en route to a week's fishing at a lodge forty miles to the east.

Because Yellowknife was originally largely supplied by barges from Hay River, on the south side of Great Slave, the early settling of the town was close to the water.... starting back around the 1920s.

No road reached Yellowknife until the early 1960s, so the lake was extremely important. Cat trains hauled freight and supplies across Great Slave in winter, with bulldozers towing strings of sled-mounted "cabooses" over that 130-plus miles of ice.

Open water at our "lake house" only extended from early June to late September... the rest of the time, it was frozen. Ergo, the boating season was SHORT!

The "canoe" you pictured is closer to a "boat" than most of the big freighters I was thinking of. Still, it gives a good idea of what "canoe construction" can do, when applied to larger craft.

Adventurous times!

[Just Duke]

http://www.scottcanoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20&Itemid=97

[Just Duke]

21 foot Scott Hudson Bay Freight canoe in Northern Maine
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[Just Duke]

More Cad plan links also http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?117135-20ft-freghter-canoe
This is also a prime candidate to cover this stripper on the outside with High Grade Charcoal Briquettes/French Lawn Chair Webbing From Nim France or Kevlar.
http://cncroutinganddesign.com/
Slide Show. Pop open a cold one and enjoy.
http://s877.photobucket.com/user/123mardog/slideshow/20%20foot%20freighter%20canoe%20bulid

[BruceB]

Boy howdy.... a man could load TWO moose AND his camp outfit AND his compadres into one of those!

I'm surprised at the quoted weight of just 250 pounds in fiberglass. Still not exactly something you'd want to carry over "closely-spaced contour lines" (HILLS!), but a couple of men could manhandle it fairly easily for loading/unloading from a vehicle or trailer. VERY nice. I would have loved to own one like that, although my 18' was ample for my needs.

One of the shortcomings of the cedar/canvas canoes in daily service is that they tend to get heavier as they age. Between water-logging, or extra layers of paint, or adding fiberglass, or multiple patches, whatever.... they DO get heavier with time. This is as opposed to canoes in recreational use, where a loving and careful owner will baby the canoe, fix what needs fixing, and painstakingly refinish as needed.

Fiberglass or aluminum are more practical in heavy service (never liked aluminum very much; they are just too danged NOISY.) Still, gliding silently in a cedar-strip canoe on a calm evening is truly a sublime feeling.

[Just Duke]

Boy howdy.... a man could load TWO moose AND his camp outfit AND his compadres into one of those!

I'm surprised at the quoted weight of just 250 pounds in fiberglass. Still not exactly something you'd want to carry over "closely-spaced contour lines" (HILLS!), but a couple of men could manhandle it fairly easily for loading/unloading from a vehicle or trailer. VERY nice. I would have loved to own one like that, although my 18' was ample for my needs.

One of the shortcomings of the cedar/canvas canoes in daily service is that they tend to get heavier as they age. Between water-logging, or extra layers of paint, or adding fiberglass, or multiple patches, whatever.... they DO get heavier with time. This is as opposed to canoes in recreational use, where a loving and careful owner will baby the canoe, fix what needs fixing, and painstakingly refinish as needed.

Fiberglass or aluminum are more practical in heavy service (never liked aluminum very much; they are just too danged NOISY.) Still, gliding silently in a cedar-strip canoe on a calm evening is truly a sublime feeling.

You have a PM Bruce.

[Just Duke]

Something tells me the freighters would have been popular during the Prohibition........

[Just Duke]

Yea Bruce the freighters would have not been considered a portage boat.

[BruceB]

Yea Bruce the freighters would have not been considered a portage boat.

Quite right, at least in modern times. My 18' job was marginal, but we did manage to move it a few times on SHORT hauls between bodies of water....a few hundred yards at most. There is a grey area in size, wherein ones NEED, multiplied by his DETERMINATION (and willing helpers) can make a decision one way or the other. You are correct, though. By and large, the freighters are surely not portage-friendly.

I've read a lot about the early fur-trade days in the North. Can you imagine climbing into a big freighter canoe loaded with bales of fur, ABOVE THE ARCTIC CIRCLE, and saying to a pal on the bank,"Well, we're off to Montreal. See you in three or four years...if we survive."
Yep.... three or four thousand miles, hundreds of portages with a 26-to-30' freighter, tons of fur to haul over those trails as well the heavy canoe... and the "easy" part of the trip is paddling through the entire Great Lakes chain.... I bet Niagara was a trial, as portages go.

Many, many of those incredibly tough and durable men lie buried beside the portage trails. I lived for a long time right on one of the main east-west fur-trade routes (west of Lake Superior) and learned quite a lot about the times and the trade.

It's all a part of canoeing, I believe... even in our modern Kevlar-or-whatever craft, we are not all that far removed from the days of birchbark and pine gum. The waters are the same, and the required skills are largely the same. That's a large part of the charm of it all.

Reading the journals of Sir John Franklin's explorations of the North in the early 1800s, I was amazed on reading of his travels on country that I know.

His party camped one evening at the mouth of the Slave River, where it flows into Great Slave Lake on its SOUTH shore.

The next evening, the party camped at a place I know as "Tartan Rapids", a few miles north of Yellowknife.

Gentlemen, HEAR THIS:

those two campsites are roughly 140 miles apart!!!!!

That is, in a single 24-hour period, they CROSSED Great Slave Lake and made about ten more miles UPSTREAM on the Yellowknife River. Talk about tough men.... my imagination fails me, because I KNOW those waters.

[6bg6ga]

I think a large boat with an inboard would be good.

[Just Duke]

The 24 foot Chief's three Freighter Canoes
http://www.chiefskugaid.org/the-chiefs-freighter-canoes.html

[Just Duke]

Here's the bigger canoe like you told me to make Randy. 22 foot!
http://forums.wcha.org/showthread.php?3949-Who-made-this-square-back/page3&highlight=freighter

[HollandNut]

some nice canoes there ..

[Just Duke]

http://nor-west.ca/en/our-canoes/


Looks like a Nor-West to me. I have a 2004 20 footer and it is a great boat. I went to their shop just 45 min. North of Montreal to get mine. Its a family operation and they make about 200 a year. They are also known as the "Inuit Pickup" because the bulk of their sales are to the Inuit tribe. They make them from 14 to 26 footers at 2 foot increments. Very stable craft of course. I guide out of mine and it will accommodate two fishermen very nicely. It drafts nothing and is rated for a 35 hp motor.
Here is a picture of my 20 footer on the Upper Magalloway with two of my clients. For those familiar with the Magalloway this is Landing Pool and we started in Parmachenee Lake.


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http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee264/owlsroost220/BigcanoeatLanding2LittleBoyBigBoatLR_zps52024e07.j pg~original

[Pb2au]

^ that is the ticket right there.

[Just Duke]

^ that is the ticket right there.

That's what I'm talking about. :bigsmyl2: And how I'd planed spending my golden years. ;)

[Just Duke]

I surely wouldn't be wearing chest waders in a canoe. ;)

[6bg6ga]

I'd be wearing water wings myself.

[BruceB]

Damn straight about the chest waders! The belts do help, but better not to wear the waders at all.

When we first started learning canoeing as kids, age seven or eight, the"old guys" were at pains to teach us the risks and solutions. One deathless axiom was, "Prepare to get WET" Whether it was spray from white water or wave action, or drips from paddles, or rain, or even from complete dunkings when the canoe somehow rolled over.... we got wet, just as advertised.

We often dumped the canoes on purpose, rolling them over when empty of anything valuable, just so we could practice righting them, emptying them FROM OUTSIDE the craft, and then climbing back in without tipping them over again. If one knows how, it's not too difficult.... but we also learned to TIE the bailing can to the canoe!

Good times, great country.

[Just Duke]

Looks like the pic was taken in the wonderful state of Na-hemp-cha. No Lhab-sta trapping there though.

[Just Duke]

My Orvis catalogs came a few days ago. :bigsmyl2:

[xacex]

Plans for the laker are in Gill Gilpatricks book, Building a strip canoe. http://www.amazon.com/Building-Strip-Canoe-Gil-Gilpatrick/dp/0899333494
I have a copy, and it is a great book on the subject. Another option is a strip dingy that can be built from 12 to 16 feet. I have a set of these plans, and they are well done. I also have the plans for the fisherman. Never got around to building them before I found some historical records of the Rapid Roberts drift boat.

102134



rapid roberts
http://www.montana-riverboats.com/phorum/read.php?3,7591

[Just Duke]

Plans for the laker are in Gill Gilpatricks book, Building a strip canoe. http://www.amazon.com/Building-Strip-Canoe-Gil-Gilpatrick/dp/0899333494
I have a copy, and it is a great book on the subject. Another option is a strip dingy that can be built from 12 to 16 feet. I have a set of these plans, and they are well done. I also have the plans for the fisherman. Never got around to building them before I found some historical records of the Rapid Roberts drift boat.


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rapid roberts
http://www.montana-riverboats.com/phorum/read.php?3,7591


Drift boats are great for fishing. That's a nice looking boat in the pic. Thanks for sharing.

[Just Duke]

This Bandsaw mill would keep me in plenty of Cedar strips.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5slM-Hxh1RI

[Just Duke]

I just got a call from my neighbor in WA and asked him to pull a diameter measurement off the average Cedar on my place.
After viewing my Doyle Stick I figure there's enough Cedar to build enough canoes for the Amish/Mennonite Navy.
<boatswain's whistle> "Weigh anchor Jodle and hoist the sails on the mizzen mast! Ya Ya!"

[historicfirearms]

Not a canoe, but cedar strip nonetheless. I built this one a few years back, took me two winters to finish it off. I've had it on one camping trip in Lake Superior and several day trips around Lake Michigan and other inland lakes. It's primarily white cedar, with red cedar accent strips and combing, and black cherry inlay just for fun. Sad thing is, we are moving to Arizona and I just put it up for sale because it won't get much use there.

102730

[waksupi]

Well if you are getting into other boat types, here is a locally built boat. Lots of wood boats on the lake in the summer.

102731
102732

[Just Duke]

Not a canoe, but cedar strip nonetheless. I built this one a few years back, took me two winters to finish it off. I've had it on one camping trip in Lake Superior and several day trips around Lake Michigan and other inland lakes. It's primarily white cedar, with red cedar accent strips and combing, and black cherry inlay just for fun. Sad thing is, we are moving to Arizona and I just put it up for sale because it won't get much use there.

102730

You might want try the Rio Salado River in AZ before you sell it first.

[Just Duke]

A 40% greater modulus of rupture (strength/hardness) without heat and or moisture from kiln treating and up to 15% greater modulus of elasticity

[prsman23]

Duke. I'm going through plans now. Trying to decide on what to build. I want an all around canoe. Thinking of getting the bear mountain prospector plans. I'll post up more when I'm settled on a final design.

[Just Duke]

Duke. I'm going through plans now. Trying to decide on what to build. I want an all around canoe. Thinking of getting the bear mountain prospector plans. I'll post up more when I'm settled on a final design.

That's great news. Do you have a link to the bear mountain prospector plans?
Can you post pics here of your build?

[prsman23]

http://www.bearmountainboats.com/plans/canoe-plans/#!/~/product/category=2192040&id=8201318

Debating between the 15 and 16. I will def keep this thread going. Probably going to be in the winter when I get the project in full swing. On a quest for the right planks. I want a canoe that is mostly the dark red cedar, so getting the right boards might be an exercise in futility. We will see.

[Just Duke]

http://www.bearmountainboats.com/plans/canoe-plans/#!/~/product/category=2192040&id=8201318

Debating between the 15 and 16. I will def keep this thread going. Probably going to be in the winter when I get the project in full swing. On a quest for the right planks. I want a canoe that is mostly the dark red cedar, so getting the right boards might be an exercise in futility. We will see.


Did you decide?

[Just Duke]

What a co-incidence!

You see that brown house on the skyline behind the canoe?

I (personally) BUILT THAT HOUSE!

We lived there from about '75 to '82, after which we built a bigger and more-remote home about twenty miles out in the bush, on another pleasant lake-shore.

Note how tiny and sparse the trees are? The northern limit of trees is only a few miles to the north.

The photo is taken in the Old Town area of Yellowknife, where there are many float-plane bases. The water is part of Yellowknife Bay, on Great Slave's north shore. 9.3 Al, NVCurmudgeon, my two brothers and I, departed by Twin Otter from that very dock in 2010, en route to a week's fishing at a lodge forty miles to the east.

Because Yellowknife was originally largely supplied by barges from Hay River, on the south side of Great Slave, the early settling of the town was close to the water.... starting back around the 1920s.

No road reached Yellowknife until the early 1960s, so the lake was extremely important. Cat trains hauled freight and supplies across Great Slave in winter, with bulldozers towing strings of sled-mounted "cabooses" over that 130-plus miles of ice.

Open water at our "lake house" only extended from early June to late September... the rest of the time, it was frozen. Ergo, the boating season was SHORT!

The "canoe" you pictured is closer to a "boat" than most of the big freighters I was thinking of. Still, it gives a good idea of what "canoe construction" can do, when applied to larger craft.

Adventurous times!


I had to come look at this again Bruce.

[prsman23]

Did you decide?

Still going back and fourth. Was just reading through canoecraft again. I want something versatile. I want something for day trips with the little lady and something I can use for a solo fishing trip.

[Silver-Silver]

Duke,
What have you decided on? You always have interesting projects and do a fantastic job with them something like this, you just have to start the project sooner rather than later.

I am in the middle of working on a Cedar Strip Kayak, the bottom is striped and the topside is coming along slowly. Attached is a picture. Purists will say a cedar strip kayak is nothing like the project you have planned, but they are both small boats made from wood so I thought I would post up a picture.
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-Steve

[Just Duke]

Thanks for sharing Steve. Also thanks for the kind words.
Can you keep us updated on your build.
We decided on, and remember this is a fantasy build, 4 24 foot square stern canoes and 4 20 foot traditional canoes for a build.
For the square stern freighters were looking at 50 HP El Cheapo Craigslist boat motors circa 1980-2000 and some rebuild kits along with a new paint job. A 1940-1950 Evinrude Brown paint job sounds nice.

[starmac]

The Scott canoes are fairly popular up here. We have a guy that is just getting started building some similar freighters in anchorage, as the freight is pretty tough getting the scotts to white horse, then you have to pick them up there. They are super nice for heavy loads though.

The 19 foot grumman freighters were big sellers up here until they started making them out of thinner aluminum. I understand they have gone back to the thicker aluminum, bu there are no dealers up here anymore. There are still a lot of the older ones around, my buddy has one, with a ******* lift and a 15 horse, mine is an ooooold loweline also with a lift and a 15 horse. these will go in skinnier water than the scotts (not by much) and are a little easier if you have to portage or more common get out and drag them.

[Just Duke]

Boating!!!!!!

[ABluehound]

For anyone with cad experience ever those with patience... There is an amazing program for designing your own cedar strip kayak at:

http://www.blueheronkayaks.com/kayak/software/software.htm

I used the program several years ago (2008-2010) to design and build something half way between a stand up paddle board and a kayak for night fishing around docks here in the summer. A good friend also used it to build two he rafted together to make a very impressive duck blind that one person can load and unload into the back of his truck easily.

The program allows you to print patterns for on your strong-back. It also calculates everything you would ever want to know about the hydrodynamics of your design. There is also a related forum for anybody that needs help or ideas.

A definite 5 star recommendation.

[Just Duke]

I would like to spend my golden years building canoes and dog sleds. Well, dog sleds again.

[6bg6ga]

I would like to spend my golden years building canoes and dog sleds. Well, dog sleds again.

Are you feeling good again?

[Just Duke]

Are you feeling good again?


Yes sir I'm back to normal finally.

[Just Duke]

This is a freighter sled for towing across-ed vast open areas.
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1%20DOG%20SLEDS/Copy_of_sled3.gif

They made a few mistakes on this build. They needed better guidance.
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1%20DOG%20SLEDS/Hunt-4_1600x1200.jpg

[Pb2au]

Good to see you back Duke.
i could use a sled like that when I ice fish in January up in Michigan. Unfortunately, my genuine SW Ohio mutt is not too much of a sled dog.

[Just Duke]

My tutelage comes from Ed Moody that was a musher with Admiral Bird on the North Pole Expedition. I built mine without the big O in the back staves.
He was an Ash Steam Bender also.

[Just Duke]

Good to see you back Duke.
i could use a sled like that when I ice fish in January up in Michigan. Unfortunately, my genuine SW Ohio mutt is not too much of a sled dog.

Samoyed's are easy keepers and don't eat much. They are real sociable.

[Just Duke]

These are the ones that I build.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/DOG%20SLEDS/5Allagash20with20laced20basket20004.jpg

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KmL7JJURo

[wiersy111]

Awesome thread. How ever I will stick to making old school duck boats. I'm working on a new design right now, hopefully it will be done in time for the season.

[Pinsnscrews]

Came across these submissions at the Del Mar Fair, Del Mar Fairgrounds, CA June 2014
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/wyckedflesh/Mobile%20Uploads/6D89F5FC-4672-42C1-9625-68839233F813_zps6du8jbhv.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/wyckedflesh/Mobile%20Uploads/A1496E5B-F682-4113-9CB2-952CC66EA368_zpsfyra0vdc.jpg

I did not realize the Information Plaques stating the artist/crafter information did not end up in the photos on the memory card, my apologies to the crafters.
Thought you guys might be able to appreciate the craftsmanship. (The cards also held materials details)

[Whiterabbit]

Duke, you can do it. My dad likes to build strip canoes for fun, CA is dry, it wont split. Use good glue (titebond III). He uses pine and redwood stripped approx. .25x.5". The canoes are pretty small, but they track as straight as the center strip is laid. The weight is incredibly light until the fiberglass goes on. Single layer on the outside to seal the wood and make it durable. Weave gets filled, that's where the weight is. Marine grade epoxy, use medium cure, that's the clear stuff. Then the varnish coat on the outside gives it the UV protectant. Finish like a gun stock. A few layers of varnish give protection and matte finish. 12+ coats make it shine.

A quarter of the work is in that varnish. A quarter of the work is in the glassing. A quarter of the work is in the strip work. And one quarter of the work is building a good strongback.

[Just Duke]

Duke, you can do it. My dad likes to build strip canoes for fun, CA is dry, it wont split. Use good glue (titebond III). He uses pine and redwood stripped approx. .25x.5". The canoes are pretty small, but they track as straight as the center strip is laid. The weight is incredibly light until the fiberglass goes on. Single layer on the outside to seal the wood and make it durable. Weave gets filled, that's where the weight is. Marine grade epoxy, use medium cure, that's the clear stuff. Then the varnish coat on the outside gives it the UV protectant. Finish like a gun stock. A few layers of varnish give protection and matte finish. 12+ coats make it shine.

A quarter of the work is in that varnish. A quarter of the work is in the glassing. A quarter of the work is in the strip work. And one quarter of the work is building a good strongback.


My garage runs 140 degrees so it won't work while I'm still here. I also would have no where to take them. Thanks though.

[prsman23]

Hey guys. I have canoe related news! A much needed bump for this awesome thread! I've decided to build two canoes and give one to the local boy scouts. I am going to launch a kickstarter project next week, so I'd like some feedback and see what ya'll think!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/354205058/2064478200?token=c2b1df74

Any ideas to make the presentation better? I'm starting a blog and a twitter to try to gain a little excitement. I'll make my own post in the special projects section. Just giving the fellow canoe lovers a little something to look at. Maybe get some tips for the blog and the two canoes!

[Just Duke]

Great news Jay. Did you paint the Wolf/Eagle pic?

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V55hlPT7WfA

[prsman23]

Duke I wish! Bought that at a local thrift shop. It now resides in the loading room

[prsman23]

shameless plug :)

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?250644-Canoe-build-part-1&p=2892787#post2892787

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/354205058/two-canoes-one-dude

2canoes1dude.wordpress.com

[Just Duke]

shameless plug :)

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?250644-Canoe-build-part-1&p=2892787#post2892787

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/354205058/two-canoes-one-dude

2canoes1dude.wordpress.com


We will be watching. [smilie=w:

[Just Duke]

Looks like this might just become fact than fantasy for us after all.

[prsman23]

I started a new kickstarter after someone more generous than I can fathom promised to pledge $500. So I'm over 1,000 now and will be close to the $1500. If I hit the 1500 I'm building two boats for the boy scouts. At the moment I am planning on one. So yeah. This is getting real!

[Just Duke]

I'm back to normal. Miss Barbie is a broken mess with a 16 inch titanium rods inside the Tibia bone and three screws in the upper foot bone and will never be able to work again at the job she so loved.

[Just Duke]

This Vintage Runabout Replica looks like a fun build.


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[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHn8EjhXJgA

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeiOIRvAyyw#t=798

[Just Duke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEDZSgxqvBo

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I went to a garage sale down the road from me and met a young man who was putting the finish on his second one, they were absolutely stunning a tremendous amount of work bending and molding every thing

[W.R.Buchanan]

My Father and his older Bro were partners in a 36 ish foot Gar Wood in the mid 50's. I was 4 or 5 at the time but I remember them spending many weekends sanding on the boat. I was basically a pest at the time so my mother kept me away from them while they worked.

In my 30's I got my father to tell me of this boat.

The boat was an Forward/Aft Cockpit Gar Wood and it had an Allison V1710 out of a P38 that they had bought surplus for $100.The original engine was a Liberty and the main accomplishment of their brief ownership was installing the new engine and doing a lot of sanding on the exterior of the hull. It was entirely made of Mahogany.

They sold the boat to a guy from Detroit who eventually finished it out. One summer I was visiting my dad in Michigan when I was 8 we all got to go for a ride in the thing on the Detroit River during the hydroplane races.

When he shoved the throttle to it as we left the marina chills went way up your spine. Believe me, the thing hauled ****! and I still can recall the sensation of speed of the boat.

He hadn't installed a rear windscreen when we rode in it, and sitting in the rear cockpit with the cold Michigan wind and that Allison blasting away 3 feet in front of you was less than pleasant for the better part of our hour long ride.

But looking back it was a cool experience that I am sure helped to shape me in ways I didn't understand at the time, and the allure of varnish finishes that are a foot deep still intrigue me. I think that may be part of my attraction to finishing gunstocks, as boats are way too big a project for me.

I actually sanded on a friends wooden hull for and entire Saturday once. I actually stripped an area about 4 x 20 Feet and I hurt for a week. The boat was a 65 foot Trawler and I was one of many he Tom Sawyered into working on it for free beer. He never did get the hull completely stripped and eventually sold the boat . This was a massive project that would have taken 20 guys a month to accomplish.

Boats are big projects and the workload goes up exponentially with the length. Anyone thinking they are just going to knock one out in a few days is in for a big surprise. However if you've got the time and the talent and the fortitude, the rewards of creating something of immense beauty that will outlast you is very substantial.

They also take a lot of money!

I wish I'd had the money when I was younger to pursue that type of project. Now I've got the money but I just don't have the strength for a project that big. My Jeep project has been pretty big and it is all I can do to finish it.

I was into airplanes as well and they are a lot like boats in scope of project. Never built one of those either.

Man has created some pretty neat stuff.

Randy

[quilbilly]

Personally I think Alaska yellow cedar would be a better choice than red cedar. Problem is that it is a specialty wood that is hard to find but is one of them best boat building woods there is because it is so rot resistant (even more than redwood). It is very difficult to put a finish on due to its high oil content but it can be done. Since yellow cedar does exist in the Olympic Mtns. and the Washington Cascacades above 3500 feet, a few local mills have always handled it. My first thought to find some from a distance would be to give a call to Mary's River Lumber in Montesano, Wa. since one of their specialties is red cedar (I sold a bunch to them years back from our property before we built the house). I actually replanted a couple little yellow cedars while replacing the trees we logged after our selective logging operation. Yellow cedar is super slow growing.

[prsman23]

Honestly with the fiberglassing the wood resistant to rot doesn't play that big of a part. Or for structural purposes.

[MaryB]

I got to paddle one of these across a large part of Lake Superior one summer, copy of the canoe the Voyagers used for the fur trade

http://northwoodscanoe.com/images/stories/canoes/voy34p.jpg

specs for one http://northwoodscanoe.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=228 6,000 pound capacity for 10 inch freeboard.

[Just Duke]

What a co-incidence!

You see that brown house on the skyline behind the canoe?

I (personally) BUILT THAT HOUSE!

We lived there from about '75 to '82, after which we built a bigger and more-remote home about twenty miles out in the bush, on another pleasant lake-shore.

Note how tiny and sparse the trees are? The northern limit of trees is only a few miles to the north.

The photo is taken in the Old Town area of Yellowknife, where there are many float-plane bases. The water is part of Yellowknife Bay, on Great Slave's north shore. 9.3 Al, NVCurmudgeon, my two brothers and I, departed by Twin Otter from that very dock in 2010, en route to a week's fishing at a lodge forty miles to the east.

Because Yellowknife was originally largely supplied by barges from Hay River, on the south side of Great Slave, the early settling of the town was close to the water.... starting back around the 1920s.

No road reached Yellowknife until the early 1960s, so the lake was extremely important. Cat trains hauled freight and supplies across Great Slave in winter, with bulldozers towing strings of sled-mounted "cabooses" over that 130-plus miles of ice.

Open water at our "lake house" only extended from early June to late September... the rest of the time, it was frozen. Ergo, the boating season was SHORT!

The "canoe" you pictured is closer to a "boat" than most of the big freighters I was thinking of. Still, it gives a good idea of what "canoe construction" can do, when applied to larger craft.

Adventurous times!

I have regret that I did not start or finish this project before you leaving us Bruce. When I do I will always remember this thread and your participation in it.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

Duke,

Think 12' flat bottom boat with a 18 hp evinrude motor on it. Cheap, functional and easy to obtain.

I bet they could do eighteenth century violin tone on an electronic synthesizer, but the bottom doesn't look like falling out of the Stradivarius market any time soon.

Was "bottom falling out" the right expression to use?

[Just Duke]

Back to the future.

[Walter Laich]

So where are you with the canoe?

and did you wife fully recover?

[Just Duke]

So where are you with the canoe?

and did you wife fully recover?

Sorta. I'm still stuck in Vegas so I wouldn't have any use for them here. lol

[beezapilot]

Welcome back Duke- not sure if this is apropos, but ocean / open water boats
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[W.R.Buchanan]

Are those Chesapeake Kayaks Kits or Designs?

They look pretty nice!

I have wanted to build one for many years, but since It has taken 9years + so far to build me Jeep, another project wouldn't be prudent at this time.

I wish we had nice rivers and lakes to use these boats on in California like they do back east, but no, we just have mud puddles and the ocean.

Randy

[Southern Son]

Beezapilot,
That is a beutiful little boat.

Randy,
I wish we had some nice rivers or whatever around here that did not also have large crocodiles in them. I loved paddling when I was young, but around here we occasionally get crocs that are longer that Beezapilot's kayak.

[beezapilot]

They are Pygmy boats out of Port Townsend Wa.
Southern Son- I live on the St. Johns River in Florida, we've big gators and the big lizards are pretty docile (outside of mating season) but I've read that the Crocs are quite a different animal in temperament...
Lots of shoes on this big guy....
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