My "ignore" List.......

[BruceB]

......is a very short one, and very new. It was established just about five minutes prior to the time of this post.

MOA Shooter is the recipient of the 'honor' and it's due to his attitude, and expressed opinion about this site and the people who enjoy it.

Go over to the

www.accuratereloading.com

forums, scroll down to their cast bullet forum, and read what he thinks of you and me, and our Board, on the thread, "Why is this place so dead?".

I will not pollute my screen any further with his rants and diatribes, and with the help of my "Ignore List", even if he replies to this, I WON"T HAVE TO SEE IT.

Onceabull referred to the situation in a more-polite fashion, when he said that we have been recently "blessed" with some civil-discourse-challenged posters. He's right, and the best thing for all of us at this "training-wheels cast bullet site" (MOA QUOTE from AR) is to simply cold-shoulder such antisocial my-way-only people.

I have conversed with many hundreds of casters for years now, and must say that such critters as MOA are thankfully almost non-existent in our ranks. It's sad that there's even ONE. If his antics continue, it may be that a summary amputation of his posting rights on this Board might be in order. I never thought I'd say that, relating to THIS Board, but that's the way it shakes out for me.

BruceB

[StarMetal]

Wow! Impressive. Well for MOA's information it's not just "a newbie" that gets a talking to by a moderator. Notice I'm not partaking in the Hurricane thread or Gasoline threat anymore. Politics and religion don't have a place here because they cannot be talked about without eventually hitting someone's nerve. Some people come unglued when they have a nerve hit and say things they shouldn't have and regretted to having said.

MOA, don't feel you got your feathers ruffled because you're new here. I get hollered at quite abit because, frankly, I get pretty abrasive and irritate alot of folks here. I've realized that I can't make everyone in the world think like me or have the same views. Also realizied you can't talk politics and religion without eventually getting into an arguement. I'd become what I think of as a kinder and more gentle StarMetal. There are alot of intelligent people here. Someone once said that you can learn at least one thing from anyone. That means people that a may put down that he considers way below him...say for example a bum, you know, a hobo, a homeless person. Even a nationality that one may think is way below his intelligence level. In a way you remind me alot of myself when I first came to this site. I was out to prove ole StarMetal knew more then these old foggies. Well that's not true, I don't. I've made alot of friends off this site, real good friends. Alot of them I talk to via phone.

Anyways if you don't like this site and you feel that it's "training wheels for cast bullet", then don't come here, but what are you doing here anyways?

Like Bruce said, I too don't want to hear about politics or religion on a cast bullet site, but I freely admit that certain information way off subject such as automotive things like gas mileage, performance, oils, etc., is very interesting to me because I love performance cars just about as much as guns, shooting, reloading, and casting. Alot of diversified knowledge available on this forum.

Sit back, cool down, take it easy, and you'll fit in. This isn't a group of guys that would tell you to leave and don't come back because you had a few scrapes with them.

To make you feel better, I got talked to for making my "jungle comment" not only from someone here, but my wife too!!!!!! She twisted my ear pretty good over that one. And you know what, both of them were right, I was wrong.

Joe

[onceabull]

Yeah,Bruce, I'm going to try to trudge on without seeing any of the valuable contributions this guy will be making to our collective knowledge base...Onceabull

[KCSO]

I use to post ocassionaly on Accurate, but the forum did not seem to be too popular and I went to other places. I settled on this site as being the most informative and the best attended on the web. Now I don't agree with everything everyone says and some times I don't even agree with what I KNEW a year ago, but I do like to see the varied opinions expressed. I don't know MOA and I'm kinda sorry he don't think much of us, but maybe if we are nice and he sticks around a while we'll come to a meeting of the minds.

But if we NEVER agre on anything at least we'll get a different pont of view. He@@ I don't agree with anything Ted Kennedy says, but I still read it all to see where he's at and what he's doing. Besides you have to admire someone who picks their handle from a big flightless extint bird.

[grumble]

I enjoy reading opinions I don't necessarily agree with. It sharpens the wit to debate such things. If we totally drop politics as something to discuss and re-cuss, this place will get pretty dry.

The trick to conversing about such things is to not personalize the discussion.

[NVcurmudgeon]

Other than Frontstuffers, (never got bit by that bug) and Game Recipes, (I hate to cook) and anything about how to hop up your computer, I read, or at least skim, every post. We don't have cable, or any other, TV connection, so I look on some of the outrageous posts as my own personal Comedy Channel. This is the funnest place on the web, IMO. Threads are freely hijacked, from which I have picked up a lot of valuable information. As long as we avoid the Big Three Taboos and personal or ethnic attacks, that leaves us a lot to talk about. Somehow, this open policy has resulted in a rapidly growing membership, and very few quitters. We must be doing something right.

[no_1]

I do not personally know the Gentleman who goes by the name of MOA. I have read his post here and they seem informative and add productively to the discussions that the post are about. I will continue to read his post just as I will read all of the others because I can learn something from everything. However I do feel uncomfortable with the idea that he can be so "board friendly" here and then go to the AR board and run our forum into the ground.

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and may/may not reflect the opinion of others on this board.

[waksupi]

Joe, we were rather concerned wheter you would develop into a human being or not. Your development has been monumental, and you hardly ever piss anyone off anymore!

[Scrounger]

Nobody on my Ignore List. Not even those who think they know it all.

[Oldfeller]

What's all the fuss about? It's just Aladin doing what he always does, trying to provoke some interesting discussion by being devil's advocate & using up another log-in name or three in the process.

Now, it is a bit sad when he has to take his "open discussion" business to another list concerning this one instead of saying it over here, but since we are trying to be all civilized all the time over here now-a-days maybe that is appropriate.

Why Aladin? Who else would thank himself for "graciously getting LEE to provide us with the HBC bullet" then claim sub-minute accuracy for that same bullet -- then start discussing stacking down the ogives of other bullets into wadcutters again due to too much boost -- gotta be Aladin.

<grin>

Some things never change ...... actually, I sometimes wonder if he accused himself of running off with the HBC money just to see what the reaction of some folks would be. Now THAT situation was a real hoot to follow along !!!

Oldfeller

[waksupi]

Aha! I knew the style was familiar! And I thought I always got along ok with him...

[Oldfeller]

So did I, but he changed his outlook drastically somewhere along the line. About the time he started offering to meet Joe to physically beat his ass after having a on-line disagreement, editing his posts after the fact, sniping at me both on Accurate and here, and using all sorts of different screen names to discuss both sides of a topic.

Positively schitzoid type stuff. Heck, Maven and several others finally got their fill of him and told him to "get lost" in some fine historical detail over on Accurate. Last I heard of him under that Aladin name was what, a year ago?

I do miss the old Aladin, but not the newer revision. As a matter of fact I asked Joe one time if he thought the real Aladin had dropped out on us and some new punk had picked up his screen name during a list changeover as the new Aladin always used short choppy sentences and poor grammar when the old Aladin was a very skilled writer and was always very gracious.

Oh well, perhaps another snipe hunt is needed -- certainly the new Aladin personality could never resist the rattling of the tree limbs and the cooing.

Somebody take up some for the old Aladin's ghost and make some cooing sounds over him ......

Oldfeller


(shotguns, boys, not pellet guns -- this'uns a boojum snipe)

[Bass Ackward]

I'd become what I think of as a kinder and more gentle StarMetal. Joe

Joe,

Ha, ha, ha, ha. :grin: Ha, ha, ha, ha.

You are like me. And you'll never change. Kindler and .......... BS!

The only one on my ignore list is my wife. And it doesn't work for her either.

[Bret4207]

You all know I can get thin skinned about certain things, we all can. The very first time I ever mouthed off was over on the OLD (good) sixgunner.com when someone stated they were saving their cast bullets to shoot through vests with. Oddly, I took offense and recieved apologies and if people started to think about what they said before they hit post button, I figure thats good. The web has an anonomous quality to it that I think breeds unpleasant actions by some people. You can sit at a computer, write things that you know are gonna p.o. someone and then get your giggles when they react. If you've served a purpose by provoking an intelligent discussion, then good. If you're just doing to get people mad or to react to get your jollys, then your're no more than a pain in the butt. All I saw was a big fight brewing. I asked the guy to cool it a bit before somebody started a flame war. He said it was someone elses fault, and I don't know it was Alladin or anyone else, all I know is he wasn't interested in getting along and pretty much told me to shut up and stop bothering him. I had pointed out the other guy had been here for years, implying that we understood him, and that MOA was a noob. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been that it takes a while to get to know a guys style and figure out when he's kidding or trying to create a problem. OK, do what you want. Make the place unpleasant, act like a tough guy, whatever. If there's some information the guy can give or can contribute to the overall discussion, fine. If he wants to run the place his way thats another story.

All I ask, if I have the "right" to ask, is that we try not to be offensive either in tone, language or by out right flaming. I also will give some latitude to anyone posting here. I didn't like Joes jungle comment, Jumps comments on the racial element, or MOAs refering to Condi Rice as a wench among other things. I don't like strong lanuage here for a number of reasons, mainly because it's not needed and there are those who just don't need to see it, like Bullshop Jr and my kid. Some prefer to post as they talk and thats all there is to it. I can't make them stop and I'm not going to use the ignore . Some refer to the very act of asking to refrain frome doing something censorship. I'd look at it more as trying to get along with the whole group and maintain the quality we have here. Junior and some other guys here hate Bush. Good for them. Nobody has to like anybody. But there is a difference between disagreement and trying to push things beyond the limits.

Lastly I thought it was someone else who refered to this board as "training wheels". Doesn't really matter but there's a lot more good information here than you'll find pretty much anywhere else.

[Linstrum]

Hey, there, Tpr Bret, you've got some good points!

On a little different note, I got a good chuckle out of Bass's post and couldn't pass it up:

HOO WEE! :>) "kindler", that's a good one! :>)
Hey there, Bass Akward, that word you used, "kindler", which way is it meant? I always thought kindling was what somebody used to get, hmmm, shall we say - - - a good raging, flaming, fire going, and a "kindler" was who cut up the little pieces of wood and then set fire to them? Whether Freudian or not, your new word is pretty succinct!

[StarMetal]

Yeah Bass, geez, what are you doing twisiting my word kinder all up for? hahahahaha, Hey that's Carpetman's job.

Willy...we need spell check on this forum please????


Joe

[carpetman]

MOA Shooter---If in fact you are a newbie that came along,perhaps how you perceive this site could be a lesson. As I highly suspect you know,at Shooters,I was called the moderator. A joke. Once, the powers at be there asked if we wanted such and I was very vocal against it. I think the moderators here are a fine bunch,I don't say that for brownie points--I say it because I have known them all for several years and never a problem with any of them. I do think we have too many,as I think one would fall into that catagory. I am against censorship,which happened to me once at AIMOO. Why did I say I suspect you knew I was called the moderator clear back to Shooter? I'll leave it at that.

[8mmshooter]

I had to go over to the Accurate reloading site to see what all the fuss was about here. I don't know MOA or his agenda; but I think Paul is handling it in a good sense. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion; but if one does not want to participate....agree.....or condone that opinion we all have that right as well..... the ignore list. I'm just sorry that MOA had to go to another site to run this one down because he does not agree with some of the things said here. We all can't always agree on various comments that we all make about different things and topics in general. I do feel however that we have a common interest . "In the pouring of the silver stream" as Buckshot puts it. As far as I am concerned I just take everyone's comments with a grain of salt. We all have different opinions, come from varied walks of life, and probably from different creeds, ethnic groups, and social economic backgrounds. I do however value each and everyone of your opinions; although I don't always agree with everything someone says. I try and not take any of the comments personal and try to agree to disagree without gettin mine or anyone else's fellings hurt. Sorry for the rant; but I value all of your friendship and experiences here. 8mmshooter

[Jumptrap]

Snore............................................. ...............

Wake me up when the shit gets stirred again. This kinder-gentler 'can we all just get along' crap sounds like a by line at a Democrat convention.

So, I wrinkle some feathers. So what else is new?

I'm a rascist.....well who the hell dosen't know that? I happen to prefer white people. Last time I checked, that hasn't been made a crime, yet. However, it appears one isn't supposed to voice it publicly. Screw social etiqutte, I never bought into the Liberal pretense of racial equality. Racial profiling? Who invented that phrase? Well, we all have a profile. Go down to your local police agency, you'll find shit wrote about you you never knew existed. That's your official profile. From your nosey assed neighbor who called in to complain about your barking dog or the fact some AH took your license number because a napkin blew out the window and you 'littered'. It's all there. So is everytime you you got a moving violation..like going 51 in a 45 zone. Real ciminal! But it's saved up to be used against you in the future...just to prove you're a scofflaw. And to think only J. Edgar and his goons were the only folks involved in keeps notes on citizens! Hell, it goes to the very roots of the system.

You're being watched.

You're being watched and profiled right here....right now. Your words and actions are being recorded, to be used against you. Everytime you open your mouth, evidence is being recorded against you...perhaps only mentally, but recorded nonetheless. As for me, I don't a flyin' flip. Folks know that and more or less choose to ignore me. HAR! Well, all is good and well on the path to grandma's house and the big bad wolf doesn't scare me one damned bit. If he jumps out, I'll blow his furry ass off with a cast bullet and a healthy charge of 2400 and then curse his soul as it heads for hell.

The ultimate insult to a flamer is to ignore them. Drives them nuts. Their modus is to incite a response. Like a serial killer...they enjoy reading about it in the papers and watching the news. It's all about attention. It's all too funny really.

The eloquence used by some of our more literate brethren is much too kind. While it's nice to possess literary skills and reflects a quality education to exhibit the talents of a wordsmith, it's a waste of time to dispense it on such cerebrial deficients as the..individual mentioned.

Wit and mirth are like a well mixed combination of rum and coke, bittersweet, yet effectual.

Hmmm, I se the makings of another tome here, best I stop while I can control myself.

[Frank46]

Bruce B, I've been a lurker and member of shooters, aimoo and now cast boolits. And over time I have seen some real flame wars. Even though I partake of the wealth of knowledge here it seems a shame that something like the training wheels for cast bullets remarks even surfaced in the first place. I once made a comment on shooters about 7.65 argentine mfgd ammo that would not chamber in my argentine mauser. According to an article that I had read it seems that there were the 7.65x53mm and 7.65x54mm cases. Well the next day I received a rather blistering reply about this. Ok,
fine. But why won't the cartridges chamber in my 1891 argie?. Critism is healthy but when someone goes overboard well then its too much. There have been a few slips here but by and large I cannot think of a better place to watch, listen and learn about what others are doing in this forum. Buckshot always has something going on and I very much enjoy his projects. Would that I could be like him in that respect. Sorry to rant, just my two cents worth. Frank

[KYCaster]

Jumptrap sez,
The eloquence used by some of our more literate brethren..........

Jump, "If the Foo shits, wear it!" You're gonna give us Hillbillies a good name, using language like that!

Jerry

[Buckshot]

..........Well troopies, it's the same old, same old. In a post if you are having a difference of opinion with someone, it is difficult to write. You cannot convey inflection, tone, facial ques, body language, or any other visual hints. All there is, is the cold words there on the screen. All we can add are the smiley faces :D

As a moderator here I sure don't want people thinking that Big Brother is watching you, and disagreement is frowned upon because it's not. If someone says, "I believe you're wrong on that point because.........." that's just fine. But when someone says, "Why you friggin moron, you don't know crap.........." that's just not the way to do it[smilie=s:.

And I really don't understand why it can't be done like the first example. It's like if it's done the 2nd way, via cursing or calling people names that they're suddenly going to come around to YOUR point of view? HA! Not likely I don't think.

I've always enjoyed this board, or AIMOO or Shooters, or any other for that matter, and think of it as a bunch of people with a common interest standing around the back end of a old pickup, discussing things. Sharing a libation of their choosing [smilie=l: And that has actually happened in the form of the Winnemucca shoots, or me and Deputy Al and Shooter451 doing the Burrito Invitational. I also know there are a few other board members who personally know each other.

So anyway it is always a bit discouraging and kind of disheartening to me when someone doesn't like the board or seems to have issues that don't allow them to get along. Heh, Heh, can' everyone just get along!? I heard that someplace and thought I'd use it :rolleyes: 99.99% of everyone does anyway so I think that's a pretty good average.

I honestly do feel sorry for someone who can't. Life must be pretty rotten for them if something here really causes them grief.

............Buckshot

[Maven]

Prior to voicing his displeasure with us, klw made the point that we can disagree without being disagreeable, i.e., as in ad hominem attacks, etc. Debate, and heated debate in particular, can help clarify things and thus is refreshing, informative (it's reason for being, no?) and even entertaining. "Difficult" people are sometimes hard to abide (I'm speaking from experience here.), but you can learn an awful lot from them if you don't dwell on personality. MOAS may be an agent provacateur, but as he said, he's trying to push the discussion away from the mundane and irrelevant. While I may not choose his approach, I really don't have a problem with it or with any of the posters here (or on AR>CB) either.

[Scrounger]

Isn't "pimping" a gerund instead of an adjective? Sixth grade was fifty some years ago for me so I could well be wrong...

[carpetman]

MOA Shooter--"Boys Aladdin I aint"---That is true he only used one D as in Aladin. It does strike me as very odd that you signed up here and Accurate on or about the same day--less than a month ago and already know the personality of all the folks here. Perhaps you are not Aladdin,but maybe just Jay from Wisconsin?

[carpetman]

Scrounger---Art,what is a gerund? Seriously I never heard of such. They had either quit using them by the time I went to school or didn't use them in Texas or something.

[Pistol Jim]

MOA Shooter--"Boys Aladdin I aint"---That is true he only used one D as in Aladin. It does strike me as very odd that you signed up here and Accurate on or about the same day--less than a month ago and already know the personality of all the folks here. Perhaps you are not Aladdin,but maybe just Jay from Wisconsin?


Exactly correct Ray. I looked up his IP address and it is from Wisconsin and his email has "Jay" for the first three letters. Amazing how easily information is found on the www.
Some people have an affinity for being the rectums of the web. I invite him to leave and once again not stain our forum with his vitrolic posting style. We did fine without him and his acidic posts toward our members.

[9.3X62AL]

MOA--

My wife the English and English Second Language teacher said it's a gerund.

We agree on Colin Powell, for sure. I think he wanted out of government service--at least for a time--if his book is an accurate portrayal.

I have seen very few content-based disagreements form here over pure technical issues. Where things get out of hand has more to do with delivery method than text content.

Gerund choice can push a button or two, also. :-)

[carpetman]

Pistol Jim---I wouldn't have a clue about how to look up an IP address---but I would have bet the farm I was correct. Posting less than a month and already researched all his posting on the net. Only one person would rate him knowledgeable enough to be worthy of that. A legend in his own mind.

[Scrounger]

Scrounger---Art,what is a gerund? Seriously I never heard of such. They had either quit using them by the time I went to school or didn't use them in Texas or something.

A gerund is a verb in the participle form ('ing), used as an adjective or adverb. And there's lots of things they teach in schools that haven't made their way to Texas yet... Perhaps if they cancelled the sex education class in the sheep pen and taught English instead...

[carpetman]

Scrounger---Art about the only thing I remember about that stuff is "to lay" is the object of a proposistion.

[Scrounger]

Scrounger---Art about the only thing I remember about that stuff is "to lay" is the object of a proposistion.

Technically, 'to lay' is an infinitive. I credit you for substituting 'proposition' for 'preposition', but you're not supposed to split infinitives... [smilie=l:

[Gussy]

I live in a small town with limited entertainment, other than shooting and fishing. This place provides a diversion and quite a few laughs. Good education on casting when some odd post is on topic. Where else can a topic go from mild panty bunching to an english lesson???

Keep up the good work!!
Gus

[Bret4207]

I don't care who you are or aren't. I just want this to be the friendly place it's been for some time. Yup, one size does fit all. So when you p.o. somebody and they complain it's no more than when you complain about the complaining. That's censorship? No, this place is what it is and why do you have more right to change it than we do to try and keep it the same? Once we get to "know" you if you push some buttons, like Jump does, you'll either be ignored or taken with a grain of salt, like I do with some of what he says. But to come in cold and expect to push and not get an adverse reaction is foolish. If you don't like my calling Hillary the whore of Babylon fine, say so, as I did with your wench comment and we'll go from there.

Lastly, I listen to NPR, read the Times and listen to Fox. How am I being lead?

BTW- What do you know about cast boolits?

[NVcurmudgeon]

Ray, A gerund in most English-speaking regions ends in "ing," as in "hunting."
In Texas gerunds end in "in," as in "fishin."

[357tex]

Scrounger---Art,what is a gerund? Seriously I never heard of such. They had either quit using them by the time I went to school or didn't use them in Texas or something.

Carpetman I am with you I thought I was well read never heard of a gerund.You think they messing with our minds? :roll:

[Scrounger]

Carpetman I am with you I thought I was well read never heard of a gerund.You think they messing with our minds? :roll:

You're really going to have trouble with 'conjunctions' and 'intransitive verbs'...

[carpetman]

357Tex---Messing with our minds--Nah Scrounger would not do that. He is confused. He heard it in his sex education class in the sheep pen. It was a code word they could use so that folks outside of California wouldn't know what they really meant.

[carpetman]

NVCurmudgeon---Your telling me that gerunds usually end in ing reminds me of something that happened my sophomore year in high school. We got this new old maid school teacher that had been teaching in a convent or some such. She was straight laced as they come,overly proper and apparently easily offended;obviously didnt belong in public schools. Me being in her class was not a match made in heaven for sure. I once said that another teacher had said all words ending in ly were adverbs except holly. I said Billy,belly and jelly also end in ly and aren't adverbs. She was offended that I had used vulgar language. I asked what and she said the word was stomach. Airplanes make stomach landings? We both barely survived the year together and I doubt she cared anymore for me than I did her. Ida McCain and I were not endeared would sum it up well. But I had fun,should have read some of the themes I wrote. It rubbed off on the class and some of her pets even started writing themes along same lines.

[357tex]

You're really going to have trouble with 'conjunctions' and 'intransitive verbs'...

Not me they are on my ignore list.

[Scrounger]

NVCurmudgeon---Your telling me that gerunds usually end in ing reminds me of something that happened my sophomore year in high school. We got this new old maid school teacher that had been teaching in a convent or some such. She was straight laced as they come,overly proper and apparently easily offended;obviously didnt belong in public schools. Me being in her class was not a match made in heaven for sure. I once said that another teacher had said all words ending in ly were adverbs except holly. I said Billy,belly and jelly also end in ly and aren't adverbs. She was offended that I had used vulgar language. I asked what and she said the word was stomach. Airplanes make stomach landings? We both barely survived the year together and I doubt she cared anymore for me than I did her. Ida McCain and I were not endeared would sum it up well. But I had fun,should have read some of the themes I wrote. It rubbed off on the class and some of her pets even started writing themes along same lines.

I'm beginning to understand why you act like you do; apparently you became a troublemaker early in life. I am amazed that Curt didn't kick your a** out of the Air Farce in the very beginning...

[Scrounger]

357Tex---Messing with our minds--Nah Scrounger would not do that. He is confused. He heard it in his sex education class in the sheep pen. It was a code word they could use so that folks outside of California wouldn't know what they really meant.

He would have to have a mind for it to be messed with [smilie=w: [smilie=w:

[Buckshot]

...........Youse guys an all this 'English" stuff is makin' me antsy about postin' stuff here. All my sentences getting broke down and my whatevers getting conjugated makes me all jittery an stuff :D

...........Buckshot

[Buckshot]

...........MOA Shooter, a few things if I might.

"Paul H on Accurate understands what the net is about."

.........Okay. And what IS the net all about?

1) One size fits all. Deal them off the top of the deck. If a few endentured members can rant and carry on, so can anyone else."

............My, wouldn't that be nice? People form first impressions rapidly. Good or bad it's a fact and it's usually a visual thing. Here you can't be seen, only your posts and percieved attitude may be tallied up and an impression of the person gained. That takes a number of posts and some time.

A large number of the regular posters know each other well through the years. Many have personally met on several occasions, many live by each other and have active friendships outside boolit casting. In addition to that, many posters have been part of other boards for many years, and it's become a 'Friends un-met" situation. Sending each other cast boolits to try or even shipping of moulds to try.

Over the years a particular "Tone" has been set, as any interactive group of people will. It's not conscience but a matter of comfort. I invite any new member to view anywhere on this website for a LIST OF RULES OF CONDUCT. Many websites accepting posts have them, and they have to be read and accepted (or you have to push a button saying you've read and accepted them) before you may post. It has never been felt necessary.

We are not trying to bend anyone to our will. It's a pretty good cross section of people here and there is no agenda, except possibly a strong desire to protect our 2nd Amendmant rights. All new people are enthusiasticly welcomed, and we want them to become family too.

2 & 3) No comment. I was glad to make it through high school. Political discussions I may read and as long as no personal attacks are made on a poster, I don't much care WHAT proffessional polititians are called. With the exception of foul language. One's feeling can be shown without them.

4) The PM channel is no place to try an bully a new member.

...........I can't comment about the 'Bully' aspect as I can't read anyone's PM's. Yet I am gratified and glad to see that people don't want to muddy up the forum by personal differences, if they have them. Those are private, and I am glad to see they were mature enough to make them private. A PM is the way to do it.

5) Another point of view is just that. If it angers you then you must see the grains of truth in it. There's some hope for ya.

............I'll agree that that is true. A person can learn volumes from many different people. How it's presented will affect the reader's willingness to consider it too. Most people will read/listen unless the different point of view is offensively worded, the poster is speaking down or a reader knows for a fact it is patently wrong.

.............Buckshot

[Shepherd2]

Buckshot:

Very well said, especially the part about first impressions.

[7br]

I ain't got anyone on my ignore list. I'm ignorant enuff as is.

[Herb in Pa]

MOA just made my list also (it totals one)!

[9.3X62AL]

MOA Shooter--

To some extent, ALL politicians dupe us. That's the game they play. To remark on one politico's duplicity as anything other than the norm is a little naive, in my view.

Same goes for the news outlets--I use Fox, NPR, and less frequently the network channels, and I believe all of them to be certainly ad (or donation) driven and likely agenda-driven as well. Read that as "biased". I enjoy NPR most of all due to the lack of braying commercials and thoughtful--but a little left of center for my tastes--analysis of world events. So much so, that I contribute to NPR annually via the local member station. Of all the news organizations I worked with during my years of cop work, the local NPR affiliate (KVCR-FM) did the absolute best job of "getting it right" in terms of factual accuracy in reportage of events I was a part of, too.

I say this to point out that while I may disagree with a source's stand on an issue or point--I can still respect and enjoy their company, commentary, and thoughtful discourse. It is for that reason I have not used an "ignore" function on any of the boards I visit.

[Scrounger]

A week or so ago, someone, think it was BruceB, suggested we adopt the Canadian Army's Mess Rules, I.E., no discussion of religion, politics, (there was a third item, can't remember what it was, maybe race). I spoke out against it, saying we were mature enough to maintain our tempers and control our responses. Events since then have proven me wrong. If the leaders of this board now wish to adopt those rules, I will endorse them, with a couple of suggested modifications.
1. Hunting is a big part of the lives of most people here and it would be foolish and impossible to try to ban postings of it. But stories of the antics of anti-hunters will inevitably lead to political discussion about liberals, Democrats, tree-huggers, etc., So hunting, yes, anti hunting activities, no.
2. And no posting articles about what "the other side" is doing or saying; they don't affect me because I'm not political, but they arouse, depress, or infuriate some people too much. Just ignore it, don't wave it around like a red flag. As it seemed I was doing with that Michael Moore letter.
3. Race also should be a no-no. I am under the impression that all of us here are of the white, anglo-saxon grouping, except CarpetMan, and we don't know which planet he is from. (I always wondered what happened to ALF when they cancelled that TV show....Remember, he always wanted to eat the cat, Lucky? ) If someone of black, brown, or yellow skin, or of the female gender, should join us, I, and I hope everyone else, will welcome them, as long as they behave like gentlemen (I mean like the rest of us).
4. If one of us makes a post that anyone else takes offense to or feels threatened or insulted by, a polite reply so telling the poster should be enough to get it deleted. If not, I would suggest that everyone ignore it instead of getting into shouting contests about it. It just ain't worth it...

[9.3X62AL]

I'm not going to make up or subscribe to any "RULES" about what to post and not post. While I think Bruce's suggestion has considerable merit, I think reasoning is a far better filter than regulation when it comes to such decisions. Another GERUND rears it head, yet again.

All in all, the group here is a pretty sharp bunch of guys and gals, so reasoning will suffice for me. I might send a PM respectfully suggesting a re-statement or revision of text (3-4 so far in the time I've moderated here), but I GREATLY DISLIKE censorship--and only repeated, egregious, and patently offensive text would prompt consideration of outright editing on my part.

[Bass Ackward]

Casters are by nature an independent lot. And we need to remember that.

The fact that manufacturers that cater to casters, like Lyman, recommended this site, speaks volumes that no one person can ruin with an unlimited number of comments. No matter where they are posted.

What is also funny is that people (I used to refer to them as posters) that I once thought were out on the fringe, some have proved me wrong. Had I "ignored" them, I would be the loser for it.

Other sites work with rules. Good for them. Like this country in the early days, we are trying to rely on decency and respect. Let's give it some more time before we draw any conclusions.

[grumble]

I guess we have a choice. We can either be a RATIONAL Cast Boolit board, or we can be a POLITICALLY CORRECT Cast Boolit board. I vote the former, regardless of irritations. I'm big enough to handle disagreement.

[BruceB]

Gentlemen;

POINT OF ORDER, please.

At NO point did I suggest adopting "Canadian Mess" rules for this Board.

The post in question was made by me on August 28, in the "I Q Test" thread, and what I intended (and wrote) was simply an example of how another large group of people had handled the issue of arguments on the political side of things.

In fact, I was quite surprised to see the sub-line appear a few days later on the Forum Directory page, saying that the subjects were now frowned upon. It would seem that someone thought it to be a good idea.

In those Canadian Officers' messes there was still a great deal of latitude and wiggle room allowed, and the proscription on the "Big Taboos" was really only invoked when things got out of hand. The "Moderater" (Regimental Commander) had a LOT of clout when he chose to use it!

I still believe that self-discipline will work best for us, and hope we can continue in the same mostly-friendly vein we've had to date. All it takes is thinking through the ramifications of what we are about to post, and some consideration for the opinions of others who share this place.

I'm a happy caster here, and I'd hate to see it change.

[carpetman]

with all the one hole groups guess there is not room for a moa--doesnt fit,too big.

[waksupi]

May I suggest, everyone just moderate thierseves?

[StarMetal]

Bass,

Maybe motorcycle gangs that ride Harleys would make good casters, whatya think? Should we enroll them?

Joe

[Chargar]

I was the one that mentioned Bruce B and the Canadian Officer's Mess rule. He simple related them to me when I got my nose out of joint about some negative feedback to a post of mine with a religious nature. Afterall..I am a United Methodist Preacher.

I saw the wisdom of such rules and have adopted them as a personel standard for use on this board. I would never suggest the board has formal rules of any kind. I just related them as something that was useful to me in staying on this board.

[carpetman]

Waksupi---Everyone moderate theirseves-----what is a seves?

[Scrounger]

Waksupi---Everyone moderate theirseves-----what is a seves?

Maybe he meant "moderate their ewes".....

[Bass Ackward]

Bass,

Maybe motorcycle gangs that ride Harleys would make good casters, whatya think? Should we enroll them?

Joe

Joe,

I rode a Harley for years? Next question.

[KYCaster]

Waksupi---Everyone moderate theirseves-----what is a seves?

Ray, you haven't spent much time in WV, KY or TN, have you? "Seves" is the plural form of "sef", or more correctly, "own-sef". ie..."If you want something done rite, do it your own-sef". Hope that clears it up for you. BTW, you'll have to ask somebody how to pronounce the word "rite", it's a long I sound.

Jerry

[Blackwater]

Jump, you're a real breath of fresh air, brother! I grew up in a time and place, and among a folk long, long ago, who actually said what they thought, and the world was a better place for it too. Yes, some folk got all red-faced, and there were threats of fights, and even a brief set-to on the odd occasion. Funny thing was, those same combatants would meet in Church on Sunday, and it would usually begin the reconciliation process. Sometimes you'd think that ANOTHER fight was going to break out over who'd get to accept the lion's share of the blame.

I really miss those days, those folk, and those times. Darn good folks they were! Thanks for bringing a little of it back, bro'! But then again, it may be the Evan Williams I just poured too? ;-)

[fatnhappy]

I must confess to the Pb Gods that I too have sinned. I ticked off a couple old timers, and rightly so for going off the deep end on my personal hot button topic, namely my friends in the Gulf.

When all is said and done, I was wrong, pled my mea culpas and edited my posts. Not because I was afraid of offending anyone but because the criticism was justified. I post here because I believe this forum offers a wealth of information at a reasonable price.

[Jumptrap]

Jump, you're a real breath of fresh air, brother! I grew up in a time and place, and among a folk long, long ago, who actually said what they thought, and the world was a better place for it too. Yes, some folk got all red-faced, and there were threats of fights, and even a brief set-to on the odd occasion. Funny thing was, those same combatants would meet in Church on Sunday, and it would usually begin the reconciliation process. Sometimes you'd think that ANOTHER fight was going to break out over who'd get to accept the lion's share of the blame.

I really miss those days, those folk, and those times. Darn good folks they were! Thanks for bringing a little of it back, bro'! But then again, it may be the Evan Williams I just poured too? ;-)

BW,

You and me go back a ways and we understand one another. That cheap whiskey may be part of the problem...try some Woodford Reserve!

Sometimes.....most times.....I sit back and keep heshed up. Folks here hail from all over, not just the south and I really try to take that into consideration.

Chivalry, opinions contrary to the Liberal left, speaking one's mind and being a gentleman of convictions are not token items of their modus operandi. They are citizens of a New World Order, believing and accepting the spiel that 'we're all the same' and that all religions are equal in the sight of God. I didn't purchase stock in those lofty ideals of the Great Melting Pot.

Just remember, a St. Bernard and a poodle are both dogs.....but 'not the same'. A lion and a calico are both cats...but 'not the same'. Likewise, a Caucasian and an Negroid are both humans....'but not the same'. A religious fanatic of any persuasion is not 'the same'. A Christian fanatic will attempt to preach you out of hell. A Muslim fanatic will send you there for being an infidel. A Jew will tell you there is no room for Gentiles as only they are the Chosen People of God...but generally tolerate us.....especially if we have money to spend or give. Buddist Monks will set themselves on fire if they don't agree with you. Certainly, all are peoples of faith, but 'not the same'.

Likewise, those of us from around this nation are all citizens, but 'not the same'. I don't expect or demand that folks agree with me, knowing full and well in advance, that most don't. I may be castigated for being wise in my own conceits, but that is a chance I am willing to take.

Just remember to instill in those grandbabies the things you know to be true. To hold onto the traditions of their fathers, to be honest in all their dealings and to have the courage to stand up for the same and to always speak their minds...come what may. That, is southern tradition and a damned fine one to maintain.

[grumble]

"Likewise, those of us from around this nation are all citizens, but 'not the same'. I don't expect or demand that folks agree with me, knowing full and well in advance, that most don't. I may be castigated for being wise in my own conceits, but that is a chance I am willing to take."

Wise words.

Jump, have you ever noticed that among those we know the least about, we pay the most attention to their similarities, while among those we know the best, we emphasize their differences?

[Gussy]

Damn folks, this is a lot better than the TV "reallity" shows. Those "writers" (and that is being very nice for me) should read the threads here. Been quite varied and interesting. Don't want an ignore button, might miss something good. If I don't like it, I pass over it, just like I do to about 99% of the TV shows. It's a lot closer to 99.993 1/2% when the politicians start up.
Gus

[crazy mark]

I am the most Un PC person in the department where I work. I tend to agree that there is a problem when you can't speak your mind because you may offend someone. I'm always reminded to be kind and caring and then I tell them they are not honoring my beliefs. I don't have any people on my ignore list as I feel that every one has a right to their opinion even if I don't like it. What happened to freedom of speech????
Mark

[Chargar]

There is a big difference between what a person says and how they say it.

I think anybody ought to be able to say anything they want.

I also think that they should do so with respect, manners an civility.

Respect promotes conversation and civil conduct

Ridicule, labeling, and name calling promotes conflict and uncivil conduct.

Some folks use "free speech" as an excuse for being hurtful and harmful.

[Buckshot]

There is a big difference between what a person says and how they say it.

I think anybody ought to be able to say anything they want.

I also think that they should do so with respect, manners an civility.

Respect promotes conversation and civil conduct

Ridicule, labeling, and name calling promotes conflict and uncivil conduct.

Some folks use "free speech" as an excuse for being hurtful and harmful.

.......Very true. We do NOT want a board of clones. Rather a board of diversified, interesting, interested, civil people of varied background.

..........Buckshot

[walltube]

what a place.

The global camraderie here spans geographical distances between men (some chicks too? ;>} ) via a medium perhaps greater than the printed word. All for the love of a poured projectile. And the beer.

During the dark days of my convelesence ( spelling??) I'd come here for a tonic of good humor that no pharmaceutical could deliver. Janie would find me ROFLing at perhaps the best unscripted, off the cuff humor by men I'd never laid eyes on. "Cast of Characters" notwhithstanding.

I contributed little to the casting\loading aspect because I could not. But I tried to fill that void with what thought I may be of general interest. Sorta like "giving back". I also am aware that I did not respond to posts as I should have. I wasn't ignoring anybody, my bruised & battered frontal and temporal lobes sometimes just wouldn't let the rest of my brain 'get on line'. It's been a long journey to regain a bit of cognitive thinking (of sorts) :>)

The outpouring of concern and prayer for Janie & I is testament to the quality of this membership.

This place needs no net nanny. The membership handles fools and flamers very well without censorship. Waksupi's post no. 60 should be the rule and guide.

Gotta go and thanks for listening,

Harold