need some wisedom about a 225 gr hp .358 win here is my goal

[GLynn41]

1. more independence from bullet makers
2. a cast field and woods load for my 22'' .358 win
3. I would like 220 gr @2400?
4. I have cast for hand guns since the 70's no real experience with rifles

[williamwaco]

Do you want to cast it? or buy it?

[Pilgrim]

Your goal is reasonable and will depend on barrel condition, bullet dia, and BHN. Whatever you decide (cast your own or buy), you MUST have a GC boolit for the velocity you are targeting. Of the three items listed (not counting GC), bullet diameter is 1st, then barrel condition (rough vs. smooth), then BHN (hardness can be increased above a minimum of ?) in that order. I'm shooting a RCBS 35-200, BHN is 14/15, with a muzzle velocity of 2430 fps out of my rebarreled BLR (22", 12 twist). No leading, or insignificant leading with accuracy ~ 1.5" (5 shots) @100 yds. Oh yeah, use a GOOD lube (FWFL or Bens Red if home made) or any number of commercial lubes. Check the lube forum for info re commercial lubes. Good lubes can be bought from board members who advertise here. FWIW...Pilgrim

[MT Gianni]

If you are hunting Elk in Tenn. you might be OK but for deer, hogs or bear I think you would do as well with a flat pointed solid. Accuracy might be better around 2000 fps and it would kill as well also. I base this on early hunting with the Speer 220 gr and the 356 Win.

[richhodg66]

"3. I would like 220 gr @2400?"

That's possible, but that's a pretty ferocious load and unnecessarily powerful for anything I'd ever hunt here in Kansas.

I'm working with the NOE clone of the RCBS 200 grain FP in my .358 and it is working well so far. I would think it would be all a guy would need for deer and maybe even elk.

[waksupi]

I would skip the hollow point thingy. Try for a 2200fps speed range.

[MBTcustom]

Read the link in my sig line. It deals with the 358 Winchester (my favorite caliber)
You are not dealing with jacketed anymore. Cast is much more effective thus should be pushed fast with caution. Have mercy on the local wildlife and save some meat and powder!

[GLynn41]

thanks to all-- confirmed what I believed--- the boolit is the group buy here on the forum for a 225 hp -- I have two .358s an 18.5 ruger tange model and a rebarreled Weatherbye vanguard 22'' I use 200's or 220-225-- -I do not want to shoot a 35 Remy --nothing against them but i want a 358 load-- i have been shooting some saeco 245 gr with 42 gr of H322 -- never clocked but should be about 2100 or so-- took one doe with knuckle sized hole in and out-- needs a little more meplat- ol'Roy is my favorite rifle and I use it in bean fields and the woods-- maybe asking too much after looking at that doe -- but was hoping for something cast for all around-- I have taken deer with the 200gr Hor and Flex Tip, 220 Speer, 225 Sierra and the 250 Rn Hor-- still playing with the Saecos for now

[Blammer]

see about a HP like this, a nice dish if you will, helps expansion and acts like a good meplat too.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits%20fun/DSCN7757.jpg (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/blammer8mm/media/Cast%20boolits%20fun/DSCN7757.jpg.html)

if you haven't already, check out this thread.

I would test ACWW's first to see how they do, then all I did was step up to WQWW, same alloy.
Not a 358 win...
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?169630-35-Whelen-powder

[JesterGrin_1]

I have to agree with Waksupi . As for the speed you are looking for I feel it is highly remote that at 2400 FPS you will achieve good enough accuracy for hunting. You will probably be in the 2000-2200 FPS range to retain accuracy. But you never know till you try. But honestly I do not think the animal will notice between 2000 and 2400 FPS except you will notice a much larger mess at those high speeds.

[357maximum]

After shooting 150-175lb dressed weight whitetail with a BRP35-225 version of the RCBS200 @ circa 2700 fps in my 35Whelen Mauser with a 1/14 twist.......I CAN SAY THE FOLLOWING WITH GUSTO........ONE DOES NOT NEED GO THAT FAST. I backed my loads down to 2400 and it is still more than plenty....and you do not need a HP, but if you must use a HP....mind what you are doing and adjust alloy/speed accordingly.

[youngda9]

I shoot a 220 grain Accurate 36-230D boolit at 2209fps using 42gr of H4895. Groups are right at 1" at 100yds if I do my part. Working on my technique this year, and bought a better rest, to try and tighten them up. I'm going to try to get the same velocity with a Saeco #352(Accurate clone) with another Hawkeye this year. If you want over 2200fps you'd be better off with a 14" twist barrel I'd imagine. I'm thinking of sending JES an '06 to turn into a Whelen to try just that. Let us know how it works.

[Ben]

The Lyman 358318 is an option for you, although it won't cast at 225 grs.....but will be a bit heavier.

My cousin thinks highly of the bullet.

Here is his photo after using the bullet :

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?138074-6-Point-Buck-vs-358-Win

[GLynn41]

i like that boolit Blammer-- I have used a cup in 6 gun boolits and it did well-- every one is right I am sure--a good meplat at the speeds I can give 2200 or so ought to be plenty -- the only issue was the field// hunting woods --open woods was never a problem-- will look some and see what I find

[runfiverun]

I use that same saeco boolit in my 358 win.
there are a couple of things you can try before giving up on it.
speed it up a tick [switch to a slower powder]
make the nose a little softer.
or soften the alloy and manipulate the whole boolit by water dropping.
all of those should give you more expansion.

I use a combination of the first and third option, I sped the boolit up to 2300+ fps.
I also soften my ww alloy with some soft lead and water drop.
I like the two hole option without tearing the whole animal up, and that smaller meplat does right well at the higher velocity's.
I almost didn't get the rifle back after loaning it out to a bud to fill some doe culling tags on his place.
change a little and compare to your known, repeat.

[cbrick]

225 gr hp .358 win 3. I would like 220 gr @2400?

Will probably be no end to differing opinions but . . .

I don't think it will matter what the alloy or quenching or not or anything else, ANY HP at 2400 fps muzzle velocity will be like shooting Bambi with a hand grenade. There is no way at that velocity that a HP boolit is not going to come apart very violently. It is at least 600 fps faster than reasonable velocity for a HP.

Sure nothing wrong with a 358 Win but a 200-220 gr FP under 2200 fps will anchor Bambi in fine fashion with far less meat damage than any HP.

Rick

[runfiverun]

don't need the hollow point to do that see goodsteel's thread linked in his post.
that was with a softish boolit at higher speed.
the results mimick what I found soft lead and a soft jaxket will do to small game at higher velocity's.

[GLynn41]

I am not wed to the HP-- it is how the group buy is set up I was looking at-- I will keep playing with the saeco-- I can file some of the nose also for a little increase of meplat -I bought 200 hundred of them several years ago so the cast part is a no go- I will try it in wet paper and see how the 245's do-- they the killed the doe fine but she was only 15 steps away -- I was under impressed -- but she did die -- thanks for the continued answers

[MT Chambers]

The 245 gr Saeco is my "go to" in my .356 Win., should be great in the .358!!

[MBTcustom]

After shooting 150-175lb dressed weight whitetail with a BRP35-225 version of the RCBS200 @ circa 2700 fps in my 35Whelen Mauser with a 1/14 twist.......I CAN SAY THE FOLLOWING WITH GUSTO........ONE DOES NOT NEED GO THAT FAST. I backed my loads down to 2400 and it is still more than plenty....and you do not need a HP, but if you must use a HP....mind what you are doing and adjust alloy/speed accordingly.

Holy mother of everything sacred and serine! Did you have four steaming hooves left standing, or did they blow away with the wind a few seconds later? Were you able to scrape some tenderloin off a tree or something?

[357maximum]

Holy mother of everything sacred and serine! Did you have four steaming hooves left standing, or did they blow away with the wind a few seconds later? Were you able to scrape some tenderloin off a tree or something?


http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?68897-BRP-360-220-35Whelen-success&highlight=mauser

Use an alloy that is both TOUGH and MALLABLE and you can go faster than some would have you believe.