non-resident CHL as alternative to NICS check

[txnative1951]

Awhile back, I was in Las Vegas on business and noticed that Nevada did not recognize my (resident) Texas CHL. Having some spare time while I was there and since I don't gamble or hit the casinos for buffets, I decided to get a Nevada (non-resident) CHL in my spare time. So, I took the Saturday 1-day course at one of the gun ranges near the strip and then went to the LVMPD (http://www.lvmpd.com/Permits/ConcealedFirearms.aspx) locations on Monday and did the fingerprint and photo part and submitted the application. All in all, I would say that it was very straightforward and less paperwork and running around than when I got my Texas CHL.

So, the question that I have is:

Will a non-resident CHL act as an alternative to the NICS check when purchasing a firearm through a FFL? I know that I could bypass the NICS check with my Texas CHL, but I'm curious if I can bypass it with my Nevada CHL.

Oh, BTW, it took exactly 13 weeks from when I turned in my paperwork to the LVMPD to receiving my NV CHL in the mail. My wife has been waiting longer than that just for her TX CHL renewal that was done entirely online!

[Liberty'sSon]

I'm by no means an expert but I did just complete my interview for my FFL. During the interview the only way that was mentioned to avoid NCIS was an LEO that presented a letter on dept letterhead and the letter was to be kept on file with the 4476 but you didn't have to call it in.

[txnative1951]

I'm by no means an expert but I did just complete my interview for my FFL. During the interview the only way that was mentioned to avoid NCIS was an LEO that presented a letter on dept letterhead and the letter was to be kept on file with the 4476 but you didn't have to call it in.

Form 4476? I'm not familiar with that one.

I know for a fact that you don't have to do the NICS check if you have a Texas CHL and are purchasing a firearm in Texas. I've done it numerous times. You still have to fill out the Form 4473 though, but the FFL holder does not need to call in for the NICS check.

[shaune509]

In Washington the background check is still called in, but the CPL allows an Ok 'ed check to take the hand gun home that day instead of the 7 day wait.
Shaune509

[dragon813gt]

Pretty sure it varies by state. Even w/ my permit I have to go through the check for every purchase in PA. I'm glad that I did 't have to submit to fingerprints or anything invasive to get my permit. Fill out a one page form and ten minutes later you walk out w/ it.

[txnative1951]

Pretty sure it varies by state. Even w/ my permit I have to go through the check for every purchase in PA. I'm glad that I did 't have to submit to fingerprints or anything invasive to get my permit. Fill out a one page form and ten minutes later you walk out w/ it.

It would be nice if having a CHL was not required. It's not like the Founding Fathers put ANY limitations on the 2nd Amendment, right? But, not wanting to be the test case, I'll comply as long as it is convenient. Like they say, "the government has a lot more money and time to make your life miserable than you have to inconvenience them". It's not like the government does not have enough copies of my fingerprints already. Military, security clearances, CHLs, etc -- it's not like I traded in these old fingers for new ones and needed to register a new set of fingerprints. At least the ink is easier to remove these days (and in some cases, NO ink is even used).

[ksfowler166]

to avoid NCIS was an LEO that presented a letter on dept letterhead and the letter was to be kept on file with the 4476 but you didn't have to call it in
So I can avoid being questioned by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) by presenting a letter with a LE dept letterhead?:wink:

TX I don't see why you could not use a NR CCL to avoid a background check. Since the whole premise behind being able to use a CCL to avoid the NICS check is that you have already been vetted by the state. But then again I have no clue what the NV laws are but am just using common sense (always a dangerous practice when dealing with the government).

[David2011]

So I can avoid being questioned by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) by presenting a letter with a LE dept letterhead?


Believe it's NCIC. National Crime Information center.

When I lived in Texas (most of my life) I got a CHL. I keep it current because I expect to live in Texas again in the next few years. I live 5 miles outside of Texas now but my now non-resident CHL is still recognized when I buy a gun in Texas. I still have to fill out a 4473 but the seller doesn't have to call it in. This is good for long gun sales only. Handgun sales still have to go through shippers with FFLs unless you have an FFL yourself.

David

[ksfowler166]

I guess you did not get my joke David. Libert'sSon in his post mistakenly said NCIS (probably meant NICS) but NCIS is the actual acronym of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Which is the navy's version of the army's CID but NCIS is a civilian agency.

[Liberty'sSon]

Bunch of comedians around here:) apparently it varies by state and definitely I not have my form numbers and acronyms memorized yet:)

[Thin Man]

The question on whether any state will honor a non-resident's concealed handgun permit to allow the purchasing of a firearm, also whether a state will allow an in-state resident's permit to over-ride the requirement for the instant background check (National Instant Check System, or NICS) is purely a state by state decision. I am in TN, and here the answers are no, and no. The state officials of the TN Bureau of Investigation (TBI) learned that background checks could be run through the FBI'S NICS or the states could set up their own check system, which TN did. TN did this because there is MONEY to be had by requiring all firearm purchasers to submit to their TN Instant Check System (TICS) check. They refuse to allow the concealed carry permit to defeat the requirement of a background check by claiming the "what if" rule - what if between the time the person obtained their permit and the time they applied for a purchase, they had become involved in some incident that would prevent the sale from going forward. The only purchasers who are exempt are resident LEO's who present a purchase authorization on their agency's letterhead signed by the senior official of that agency (Chief, Sheriff, etc) and FFL holders. The TBI got this one right as they are raking in HUGE piles of cash running background checks. When this system was first started the TBI announced they would be working long hours 7 days a week, and thought they could manage their call volume with 10 telephone operators (all transactions were handled by phone at that time). They toured the state offering info update programs and got laughed out of every location with their proposal of only a handful of call takers. That number quickly doubled, tripled, went higher, and now all transactions are completed on-line. The responses are usually quite fast, but everyone is going to pay. After all, the state needs your money more than you do.

Thin Man

[rr2241tx]

Direct answer to the question: no. Texas only allows Texas CHL holders to bypass the NCIS check call.