Tula primer question-help!

[dualsport]

I hope this is in the right place. The short version; MidwayUSA mistakenly sent me 5,000 .223 Rem small rifle primers. I ordered standard small rifle primers. Some of these will be used in either bolt actions or single shot Hornets, not semi-autos. Supposedly the .223 types are harder? Anyone with experience with these care to comment? Midway says primers are not returnable.

[DeanWinchester]

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Work up your load and run 'em.

[Mumblypeg]

I don't understand... in your post it looks like what you are saying is both primers are one and the same just Rem. brand. Are they benchrest primers? If so those are what I have had the best loads with in .223. , Rem Benchrest primers..... Yea shoot em.... whatever they are... Ok.... I re read post.... not familiar with those primers.....

[Thundermaker]

They may be harder, but it won't be a problem.

[fredj338]

Rem makes a small rifle & small rifle bench, no specific 223 primers. You should be fine with either.
http://www.remington.com/en/products/ammunition/components/centerfire-primers/kleanbore-centerfire-primers.aspx

[jonas302]

Yes they will work they should have a harder cup like a cci military primer If Midway made the mistake there would be a refund or reship in order

[C. Latch]

I'd keep them and shoot them. The only reason to use the harder SRPs is if you're using them in a semi-auto for very high-volume shooting, and even then if you have a trigger with a lighter hammer spring you can't use them reliably. I see the hard primers as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[Wayne Smith]

And this has to do with Tula (Russian) primers how? I'm confused.

[maclords]

So Tula has 3 types of small rifle primers:
regular
223
magnum

I can't help, I was just trying to understand the question. From what it says on midways product description it sounds like regular and 223 are the same power but the 223 has harder cup, in which case I'd say your fine...might cause misfire on light strike, but probably not...someone else will know more than me.

[aviator41]

I re-read the original post looking for "tula" somewhere but didn't see anything. So, how is this post about Tula primers? (I've had lots of success with Tula primers)

[C. Latch]

I re-read the original post looking for "tula" somewhere but didn't see anything. So, how is this post about Tula primers? (I've had lots of success with Tula primers)

Everything in the OP was specific to Tula, who has three SRPs (standard, 223/556, and magnum) instead of two (standard and magnum).

Their 223/556 primer is comparable to a CCI#41, which is a standard-heat small-rifle primer with a harder cup to better handle being used in an AR15 (in theory).

[aviator41]

Seems like he says they sent him Remington Small Rifle Primers, but he ordered standard small rifle primers. Am I not reading it right?

[Wayne Smith]

That's what I read. Maybe he ordered Tula and got Remington??

[aviator41]

I'm not trying to be difficult or anything. Just trying to get a clear picture of what happened. If I had ordered remington primers but got Tulas instead, I would not be a happy camper. Tulas are okay primers, but remingtons are generally more expensive so I'd probably want to ensure I got what I paid for.

[Airman Basic]

Seems like he says they sent him Remington Small Rifle Primers, but he ordered standard small rifle primers. Am I not reading it right?
The round is known as 223 Remington, also 223, also 5.56 and probably others I've missed.

[Roundnoser]

Aren't the harder primers for ARs meant to protect from slam fires? That's what I always thought...

[aviator41]

Yes, I'm aware of the variations on the 223 Remington round.

[C. Latch]

Aren't the harder primers for ARs meant to protect from slam fires? That's what I always thought...
Yes.

When's the last time you heard of a legitimate slam-fire from a round with the primer seated properly and fired in a clean weapon? It's just not an issue unless your FP is caked with crud and you seat a primer high.

[C. Latch]

FWIW the OP may have actually got the primers he wanted. I just looked at the different Tula Primer stock numbers on the Powder Valley website.

Copied:

TUL223 * TULAMMO SMALL RIFLE PRIMERS (KVB223) (1000) Out of Stock $23.50
TUL223M * TULAMMO SMALL RIFLE MAG PRIMERS (KVB223M) (1000) Yes $24.50
TUL556M * TULAMMO SMALL RIFLE MAG PRIMERS (KVB556M) (1000) Yes $24.50

The TUL223 is their standard small rifle primer
The TUL223M is their magnum SRP
The TUL556M is their 'hard cup' SRP.

Now I'm sort of curious which one he got. I have some myself but they're not in reach at the moment.

[xacex]

The primers you ordered say TUL223, or TUL556M?

I have the TUL223, and they are regular SRP, but the cup is slightly harder I have found with TULA. You should not have an issue using them in the single shot, but they can be slightly harder to seat.

[pretzelxx]

I'm pretty sure it was a military request for a stronger primer and others have adopted the "fix" for ARs. Most m16/m4 are dirty when they're fired and people have the tendency to chamber the rounds more than once. I've seen one primer with 3 firing pin taps from loading... two of which overlapped. Maybe a softer primer would have fired the cartridge when the second indentation was made, who knows.

[tomme boy]

Actually the 556 primer from them is also a true magnum primer with a harder cup. They have had all kinds of problems with the other primers igniting ball powders. That was why they came out with the 556 primer to help with the ball powders.

[leadman]

I bought some Wolf small rifle primers labeled 223Rem. These are like the Tula (some say the same) and do have a harder material for the cup. I was having issues with my 2 m-1 carbines and slightly pierced primers. These 223Rem primers corrected this. They also work fine in my Contender so should work in most cartridges that use small rifle cartridges.
Can't remember which site I was on recently and these were listed for the AR and M-1 carbines. Maybe Graf & Sons?

[pworley1]

Shoot them and enjoy.

[jonp]

Everything in the OP was specific to Tula, who has three SRPs (standard, 223/556, and magnum) instead of two (standard and magnum).

Their 223/556 primer is comparable to a CCI#41, which is a standard-heat small-rifle primer with a harder cup to better handle being used in an AR15 (in theory).

^^^This

[dualsport]

It looks like I didn't explain quite clear enough but to keep things simple, Midway did send the wrong primers and has acknowledged that. They offered a partial refund, $50. I'm mulling it over since I'll be stuck with them if they turn out to be too hard for my H&Rs and bolt actions. In fairness this is the first time I've ever had a problem with a Midway order. They're usually pretty sharp. The Tula .223 Rem small rifle primers are harder than the standard Tula SRP. I prefer CCI and Winchester primers but will take what I can get! Thanks to all for your input. Oh, if it's not confusing enough, Tula is introducing all their primers in lead free versions too!

[tomme boy]

The lead free primers are junk from things I have heard. You shouldn't have any problems with the H&R they have a pretty hard primer strike. Bolt actions you are just going to have to try them.

[GabbyM]

Remington 7 1/2 Benchrest primer was designed years ago especially for the 222 Rem case.
That information is straight out of a Lyman Load book.

[bgokk]

I have Wolf Small Rifle Magnum #QQQSRM KVB-5.56M. These are Mil. Spec.(hard cups) I have fired them in my NEF .223 with no problems.
They also work fine in my AR.

[smokesahoy]

i have the 223 mags that work great in all things i've run em thru, including pistol rounds

[dualsport]

Thanks for all the input. To be fair to Larry at Midway and give credit where it's due; they are sending me 5,000 CCI standard small rifle primers, no additional charge. I can keep the hard Tulas since they will not accept any returns on primers. Worked out ok for me, and Midway has gone the distance in customer service.

[skeet1]

Midway, a great company! What else can you say.

[khmer6]

Are they marked 223 or 5.56? The Wolf version the 5.56 was same power as regular srp but had a harder cup to prevent slam fires. I would not worry tho, load some blanks in a pistol and try it out with a striker fire pistol.