Question about NOE 311-165.

[Marlin Junky]

Is anyone using the latest version of RD's 311-165 (produced by NOE) at longer ranges? It has a fairly high published B.C. relative to its very blunt profile and I'm wondering how the accuracy holds beyond 150 yards. I'd be shooting it from a 1:10" '06 which liked the RD 311-170 very well, unfortunately the Lee blocks didn't hold up over the long haul (I wore out the threads in the soft aluminum after a few thousand casts).

MJ

[Marlin Junky]

54 views and no replies... hmmm.

Doesn't anyone shoot paper targets beyond 100 yards? OK, how about some 100 yard results?

MJ

[geargnasher]

The view-to-reply ratio is about 100:1 on this site. Sorry that isn't snappy enough for you.

Gear

[Marlin Junky]

Sarcasm noted.

I just wanted to move the thread from page two to page one.

MJ

[geargnasher]

I used to have one of those moulds, but only shot the boolits with my .30-30, and only took it past 100 yards on paper once. What I found was groups that were well under 1 MOA at a hundred started to "blow up" at longer ranges unless I used a buffered load. We're talking 2100 fps MV out of a ten-twist here. Shot them out to 500 yards to see what was going on, after 300 it didn't seem to get much worse, but groups were in the 2-3 MOA arena at 200+ yards.

The RD Lee group buy boolit with the radiused meplat and slight step at the nose base always wanted to throw yawing flyers, never did figure that one out.

There are better boolit designs for the '06, IMO, particularly at long range.

Gear

[btroj]

I used it for lever action silhouette to 200 yards. Didn't shoot it scoped or benched a t any range so I can't say what it really does past 100.

It meets my needs for a 30-30. Not a very good bullet in many bolt guns, too much body section requiring very deep seating.

I like mine, it is what I use in my 30-30. Good enough for me.

[Marlin Junky]

There are better boolit designs for the '06, IMO, particularly at long range.

Gear

Gear,

I'm sure there are. Have you ever tried 311041 at 200 yards? I like RCBS 30-165-SIL but it's not what I would consider perfect for 100-200 yard pest control.

Thanks for your input.

MJ

[btroj]

What is wrong with the 165 SIL for pest control? Cast em as a soft point, drive em fast enough, and put em where they belong. Critter dead.

A 311284 is never a bad choice in an 06.

[357maximum]

I have shot the BRP version of the 311041 at 1,2,300 yards in several toys.....it holds accuracy with no surprises.

The 165sil will work just fine for pest control...just make it out of a 50/50 like alloy and "drive it". If it will show some expansion on something oh say the size of a woodchuck, it will do the same on something larger like deer. I felt good enough about the 165SIl in my 308 spaniard to take it on a hog hunt, never got to try it though.....my guide sucked. :lol:

[Marlin Junky]

...Cast em as a soft point, drive em fast enough...

Easier to cast 'em soft, assuming they still drop .301-.302" on the nose, and wrap 'em in paper. Which is what I may end up doing after all.

MJ

[Marlin Junky]

The 165sil will work just fine for pest control...just make it out of a 50/50 like alloy and "drive it".

Mike,

Please provide a BHN #. I've got some WW metal that ages to darn near 16 over time.

Using scrap alloys is becoming a real bitch but if I gotta start paying for Pb alloys, I might as well buy .22 copper patch. :shock:

MJ

[357maximum]

Mike,

Please provide a BHN #. I've got some WW metal that ages to darn near 16 over time.

Using scrap alloys is becoming a real bitch but if I gotta start paying for Pb alloys, I might as well buy .22 copper patch. :shock:

MJ

Don

My 50/50 mix is COWW and lead water service pipe which has a bit of Tin in it. Waterdropped it tests about 21-22 BHN and it will expand at anything 1700fps and above...the faster you go the better it expands obviously, boolit design(meplate) also plays a role.

I made sinkers long before I made boolits and I was doing the Natural Gas Distribution digging at that time so I have a bunch of it, sorry you do not. At that same time I was collecting WW like a man posessed also....so that is why I use what I use....it is what I have the most of. The ratio is not real critical and even 60%COWW and 40% leadpipe works just fine as does 40%COWW/60%COWW. Even the 50/50 that has 5%RR babbit in it expands if you have a flat nose and it is driven fast enough. This stuff ain't gotta be rocket science if this ditch digger can pull it off. I am about as simple as they get. JUST DO IT, details are for CPA's ya know. :lol: I see waaay to much cogniKating and too little doing in alot of posters on this forum as of late. If you make it they will come.

[btroj]

Easier to cast 'em soft, assuming they still drop .301-.302" on the nose, and wrap 'em in paper. Which is what I may end up doing after all.

MJ

Then do that. Paper patch can be driven plenty fast to get good results out to 200 on critters.

Let us know how that works.

[HawkCreek]

I've been wondering the same thing. I want a flat nose for loading in my .308 Ruger GSR, I don't know if I should buy this mold or wait for the new bullet Ranch Dog is developing for the 7.63x39. I just worry the x39 bullet will be lighter than I want.

[Marlin Junky]

Then do that. Paper patch can be driven plenty fast to get good results out to 200 on critters.

Let us know how that works.

I'm sure it'll work just fine. I was more than happy with my 35 Whelen results shooting the very similar RCBS 35-250-SP wrapped in onion skin.

However, the name of the game is flexibility. Most of the time, I just want to check, lube and load. Sometimes I don't even want to mess with a gascheck (especially at today's prices). Then again, sometimes I just want to go to Wal-Mart and purchase rimfire ammo. :shock:

MJ

[Marlin Junky]

The RCBS 30-165-SIL design cut in their excellent blocks is a very fine combo for just about any .308/'06 fan. The last time I checked Midway, you could actually purchase the 30-165-SIL for a few bucks less than a Lyman mold. Good luck.

MJ

[HawkCreek]

I've looked at those but I think I'd prefer something with more meplat. I like the look of the RD bullets you mention but I'd like to know how they shoot out past the end of the barn before I buy a mold. I know a flat nose is against any long range stuff but I'm hoping for more than just 100 yards. But I'm still learning so I may very well be expecting to much.

[Newtire]

This boolit was used by Obssd1958 to win the long range gong shoot at the Winnemucca shoot last year using a Stevens 325 in .30-30. Anyone remember how far that was?

[BruceB]

Anyone remember how far that was?

Yep..... That longest-range berm is about 420 yards from the benchrests.

[Marlin Junky]

This boolit was used by Obssd1958 to win the long range gong shoot at the Winnemucca shoot last year using a Stevens 325 in .30-30. Anyone remember how far that was?

Not sure which boolit you're talking about. The RD 311-165 which I don't think was available last year or the RCBS 30-165-SIL.

MJ

[Newtire]

Not sure which boolit you're talking about. The RD 311-165 which I don't think was available last year or the RCBS 30-165-SIL.

MJThis is a RanchDog flatnose .30 caliber I got over 3 years ago. And Bruce, this was the gong that Quilbilly brought with him and set it up at a certain distance away but not the full 420 yards. This was more like 180 or 200+something. Sorry Marlin, I got rid of the mould due to the Hawaiian disease "Lack-a-monee" so can't tell you what grain weight it was.

[eck0313]

I shot the group below with 5.5 gr BE @ 100 yds in my 308 Palma rig, prone with a sling. The 2 widest shots were called out.

91430

[pls1911]

I can't say enough about the RD/NOE 165.... slaps critters hard out to 150 yards, minute of pig shoulder easily.
I sight in a little high at 25 yards with Marlin iron sights and never punch paper again!

With respect to the RCBS 165-SIL, hundreds were sent downrange from a 30-30 TC while shooting silhouette. I found them very accurate and more than adequate for the heavy steel rams at 200 meters with open sights. Several Texas hogs have fallen DRT with shoulder shots from a scoped TC with this bullet as well.

All velocities have been 1800-1900, alloys have been cast soft and heat treated hard (BHN in 20-28 range), gas checked, and no bullets have been recovered. Never a trace of leading either.

[Friends call me Pac]

This was my 1st test with the NOE 311165 a couple years ago. It shot very well at 100 yards out of my Rem 700 in 30.06

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This was another 100 yard load I came up with.

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I bought a NOE 311299 to shoot longer distances. I never tried the 165 past 100 yards. I was actually doing a search to see if anyone has tried & came across this thread. I know it is 100 yard info but it is all I have right now with the 165.

[Friends call me Pac]

More current info on the NOE 311165 and my Rem 700 in 30.06.
100 yards
4895 @ 29gr
gator check
LAM with Ben's red

These were the first 3 shots today. I had actually taped the holes but removed the tape so I could get a pic for my records. That chalk swipe is actually were the paper tore. The squares are 1"

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I generally use a mil dot scope but I replaced it with a scope with thicker cross hairs for hunting. I didn't want to mess with my 100 yard zero so I had to figure out holdover.
I went to 200 yards and the load hits about 16" low. At 200 yards the top of the bottom post is where my point of impact is. At 300 yards I had to put the top of the post about 24" above center mass on a steel target I was shooting at. I think the target is 24" tall but that is just a guess. 350 yards midway down the bottom post for aiming point. 500 yards bottom third of the bottom post and it was iffy then.