Suggestions and advice needed, 50 cal sabot with 45 cal boolit

[azrednek]

I'm going to be working on a load with a saboted 45 cal boolit in a CVA Wolf Compact rifle. The load is going to be used by my teenage Granddaughter in an upcoming Javalina hunt. I have numerous 45 cal molds in my collection. For myself I'd likely go with the heaviest I've got but I'd like to keep recoil minimal. I'll likely be working with a 80-120 gr charge of Triple 7. My GD can handle a 20 ga but I noticed on a recent dove hunting outing she was flinching badly after 5 or 6 shots. Depending on how well the ordered and on the way CVA rifle fits. I might or might not be adding an additional slip-on recoil pad.

If possible I'd like to add a bit more oomph and penetration than a patched 50 cal round ball. If anybody has any experience, advice, suggestions or even speculation using a 44 or 45 cal cast boolit using a sabot in a 50 cal muzzle loading rifle. I will certainly appreciate you sharing it.

For myself and son we will be using 50 cal Lee mini-balls.

[KyBill]

I agree 80 or less pick your boolet and do some range test for accuracy

[azrednek]

THX!! for the advice. Guess I should take the size of the Javy in consideration. I'm a bit hesitant on using a round ball after a bad experience about 20+ years ago. Friend shot a desert muley with a 50 cal ball. We looked for over 3 hours, found it and when we got close it got up, ran off with no blood trail. We gave up as darkness approached, resumed the search the following morning and never found it.

[johnson1942]

if you drop the powder charge to 70 grains and if the 250 grain bullet shoots accurate,all the power you need is in that package. it would easily go through a pig.

[OnHoPr]

230 to 250 gr boolit with 60 to 80 gr of powder.

[XTR]

I shoot my Knight at deer with a saboted 250 over 100gr of 777. I don't find the recoil heavy, but then it's a push and not the rap that you get from smokeless.

One thing you can really do to help her if she's developing a flinch is dry fire. You load then leave out the primer, or not, so she doens't know if it's going to go off, and let her snap it. Like working with a revolver with only 2 shots in the cylinder, or letting someone load snap caps into your 45 magazine.

[AABEN]

I like the 44 SWC 200 Gr with 80 Gr of pyrodex. It is very accurate in all of my ML. I drop all my ML bullets in water when making them. We do a lot of target shooting with are ML. We shoot 100 yards and some 150 but not very much. Good Luck

[azrednek]

I shoot my Knight at deer with a saboted 250 over 100gr of 777. I don't find the recoil heavy, but then it's a push and not the rap that you get from smokeless.

If I can some how alter a ram rod I'm considering using the 429303. The spire pointed 44 cal slug about 200 grs. If what I've read but never had any personal experience. If the spire point's penetration is as good as claimed. I can use a milder charge. If the recoil is not significantly more with a heavier slug I have 44 cal molds for 220 and 240. I can also go from 180 to 250 with 45 cal.




One thing you can really do to help her if she's developing a flinch is dry fire. You load then leave out the primer, or not, so she doesn't know if it's going to go off, and let her snap it. Like working with a revolver with only 2 shots in the cylinder, or letting someone load snap caps into your 45 magazine.

I may give it a try. I plan on starting with mild loads and work our way up. I have to give her credit for determination. While Dove hunting we ran out of 20ga shells. She picked up my old Stevens 311 12ga side-by we always bring along as a back-up. She popped a round and said "I can handle it". She only took a few shots with the 12ga but I give her credit for not throwing in the towel and giving up. After she downed her first Dove a few days prior she has been hooked on hunting. She was terribly disappointed when she didn't get drawn for a Deer tag but she insisted on tagging along with her dad.

Here she is with her first Dove. The Star Wars shirt was great as we spotted a UFO shortly after the picture was taken. We couldn't get a decent photo of it with the cell phone camera. On the way home she was terribly disappointed. The radio news reported the UFO to simply be a wayward weather balloon. Have to admit. I was hoping for another "Lights Over Phoenix" incident.

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[Lefty Red]

The Force is strong in this one.....

[Geraldo]

A friend and I have hunting feral hogs with RB. The smallest were in the 35-40 pound range and the biggest were about 150. Using .54 or .58, the small ones were DRT with exit wounds. We've had a couple under 100 that took off but had exit wounds and serious blood trails. Over 100 pounds it's either/or. We both shot the same hog and it died immediately, but neither ball exited, which has me rethinking RB on a really big hogs.

Of course YMMV, but if the javalina are 50-60 pounds I'd give some serious thought to RB for your grand-daughter.

[aspangler]

I have had a lot of bang-flops using 230gr truncated cone 45 acp cast 50/50 coww and pure. Air cool and don't use lube in a mmp sabot for deer. 70-80 grs. ffg or substitute. Not too much recoil and good results.