General Giap

[waynem34]

Just seen where this guy died being 102 years old ,too bad a bullet didnt get him first.

[Rick N Bama]

One thing you'll have to admit is that he was a Military Genius, too bad he was on the wrong side.

Rick

[Rick Hodges]

No Rick, he was a political Genius, not military. He got his butt handed to him in every engagement, bled his troops dry. That type of "genius" in military leaders went out with the first world war. He was a butcher who took horrific casualties. He and Ho were astute political men who could read the lack of resolve in our leadership. No, we didn't need him or his type, just a leadership who realized that a war should not be fought with one hand tied behind our backs.

[Dale in Louisiana]

He didn't need to be a military genius. His allies won the fight for him: Jane Fonda, John 'F your buddies' Kerry, the American Left, gutless politicians...

Then we "gave peace a chance", just like the Left wanted, and lost a couple hundred thousand former allies as they got 're-educated' or fled Viet Nam, and then a couple of million in Cambodia...

dale in Louisiana

[savagetactical]

Actually he was not even a second rate general, His enemies beat themselves on the home front in both cases. But as they say I guess a win is a win no matter how you have to come by it. When we committed to fighting and winning in Vietnam on a military level without political encumbrance we soundly defeated and annihilated the North Vietnamese ability to fight. Thats not a speculation its a proven fact, militarily we won the Vietnam War for that matter. We made them come to the table in Paris and negotiate a peace that kept them in check and allowed us to resupply the south on a 1 for 1 basis.

As long as we held our end up the North was unable to wage an effective war, when Congress defunded military support for the South is when the North was able to invade and take the South.

[savagetactical]

So he must of been about 25 years younger the Ho Chi Min.
I think it is interesting how Ho went and bought top hat, coat and tails to meet President Wilson in France after WWI. If he hadn't been ignored, how things might have turned out.


He wanted to meet Wilson because Wilson was a socialist ... Ho was a socialist from early on as his biography suggests, he was a nationalist though first , he would have accepted help from anyone that helped him reach his goal of an Independent Vietnam, the Russian and Chinese Communists just managed to get there first. As soon as they were able to run the Japanese, then the French and then the US out of Vietnam they ended up going back to war with China off and on.

[10-x]

An OSS agent assigned to French Indo China saved Ho's life in 1944, gave him penicillin from a jungle first aid roll. A few years ago Giap said after Nixon started the Christmas bombing campaign, the north was a week or so away from suing for peace. Thanks , all the scum bag, pinko, commies that lost the war here, not over there.

[bikerbeans]

And the biggest traitor of the this war was Walter Cronkite who formally surrender to North Vietnam on the 6 O'clock news.

BB

[jcwit]

And the biggest traitor of the this war was Walter Cronkite who formally surrender to North Vietnam on the 6 O'clock news.

BB

Not sure he was the "biggest traitor", fonda rates up there pretty high.

[LynC2]

Not sure he was the "biggest traitor", fonda rates up there pretty high.

I would put both of them up at the top of my list! I still get PI&&ED when I think about both of those traitors! :evil:

[jaysouth]

And the biggest traitor of the this war was Walter Cronkite who formally surrender to North Vietnam on the 6 O'clock news.

BB

The TET counteroffensive was truly a test of the ability and mettle of the US fighting man. This happened during the worst weather of the year. Our helicopters were grounded from both lack of fuel and 0-0 weather and visibility. I was just North of Hue with the 1st Cav. We were out of artillery rounds and could only get naval gunfire on occasion. We were fighting toe to toe and conserving every round and grenade. We were scavenging enemy bodies for ammo, grenades and food. We were floating wounded on inflated air mattresses in rice paddies to get them a little further back to the rear for medical care. All too many died for lack of supplies and the ability to get them to more advanced care that was normally available

Our effort was an unqualified victory and on a level with the siege of Bastogne in WWII, but without air power and hourly helicopter resupply. The enemy had suffered disasterous losses to their main force units and the Viet Cong was left with 10% of it's strength. Only to find out that Walter Cronkite, who had never fired a shot in anger, to declare that it was a disasterous loss, and that we had lost the war.

In the end, our valor and sacrifice were for nothing because of dishonest politicians, left wing radicalism and a lying press. It is especially disgusting to note that those who were student militant radicals are now running our country and it's universities.

[Gator 45/70]

Where's The Like Button ?
I remember Cronkite saying this.
May, Giap, Fonda, Kerry dance the death of Hell forever when all meet the pale horseman.



The TET counteroffensive was truly a test of the ability and mettle of the US fighting man. This happened during the worst weather of the year. Our helicopters were grounded from both lack of fuel and 0-0 weather and visibility. I was just North of Hue with the 1st Cav. We were out of artillery rounds and could only get naval gunfire on occasion. We were fighting toe to toe and conserving every round and grenade. We were scavenging enemy bodies for ammo, grenades and food. We were floating wounded on inflated air mattresses in rice paddies to get them a little further back to the rear for medical care. All too many died for lack of supplies and the ability to get them to more advanced care that was normally available

Our effort was an unqualified victory and on a level with the siege of Bastogne in WWII, but without air power and hourly helicopter resupply. The enemy had suffered disasterous losses to their main force units and the Viet Cong was left with 10% of it's strength. Only to find out that Walter Cronkite, who had never fired a shot in anger, to declare that it was a disasterous loss, and that we had lost the war.

In the end, our valor and sacrifice were for nothing because of dishonest politicians, left wing radicalism and a lying press. It is especially disgusting to note that those who were student militant radicals are now running our country and it's universities.

[Rick Hodges]

the tet counteroffensive was truly a test of the ability and mettle of the us fighting man. This happened during the worst weather of the year. Our helicopters were grounded from both lack of fuel and 0-0 weather and visibility. I was just north of hue with the 1st cav. We were out of artillery rounds and could only get naval gunfire on occasion. We were fighting toe to toe and conserving every round and grenade. We were scavenging enemy bodies for ammo, grenades and food. We were floating wounded on inflated air mattresses in rice paddies to get them a little further back to the rear for medical care. All too many died for lack of supplies and the ability to get them to more advanced care that was normally available

our effort was an unqualified victory and on a level with the siege of bastogne in wwii, but without air power and hourly helicopter resupply. The enemy had suffered disasterous losses to their main force units and the viet cong was left with 10% of it's strength. Only to find out that walter cronkite, who had never fired a shot in anger, to declare that it was a disasterous loss, and that we had lost the war.

In the end, our valor and sacrifice were for nothing because of dishonest politicians, left wing radicalism and a lying press. It is especially disgusting to note that those who were student militant radicals are now running our country and it's universities.

amen!

[Boyscout]

Fonda, Kerry, and Cronkite were the traitors not Giap. Vietnam fought with China for hundreds of years and France was a brutal colonial power. Japan was even worse. We agreed to return Indo-China back to France after World War II at Yalta. Why? Britain and the US turned Vietnam back over to France. Giap might have been an ally if we hadn't betrayed the Vietnamese people in 1945.

What was Fonda and Kerry's excuse for siding with communism?

[savagetactical]

Fonda, Kerry, and Cronkite were the traitors not Giap. Vietnam fought with China for hundreds of years and France was a brutal colonial power. Japan was even worse. We agreed to return Indo-China back to France after World War II at Yalta. Why? Britain and the US turned Vietnam back over to France. Giap might have been an ally if we hadn't betrayed the Vietnamese people in 1945.

What was Fonda and Kerry's excuse for siding with communism?



This is called rationalization... A communist is a communist no matter how they got there, Castro was for a very brief moment in time liked by the American people , before showed his marxist colors.

[savagetactical]

Thank you Jaysouth for the first hand account of TET 1968.



In a interview Jimmy Stewart recalled how Henry Fonda told him he was a socialist, from that day forward Stewart said he could never talk politics with him and still work together.
So there makes Hanoi Jane.
Socialist/marxist for the masses but capitalist elite among the elites.


I never had any doubts about Henry Fonda being a socialist, it kind of shined through on screen in the Grapes of Wrath. I know the novel has a socialist bent as many depression era works do. Socialism was in vogue, but much of Henry Fonda's rhetoric was tinted with socialism and it showed.

[10-x]

Like father, like daughter.

[captaint]

Let's see... Dishonest politicians, left wing radicals and a lying press.... Sound familiar ????
The S is gonna HTF one of these days in this country and it ain't gonna be pretty.. Mike

[fatnhappy]

The TET counteroffensive was truly a test of the ability and mettle of the US fighting man. This happened during the worst weather of the year. Our helicopters were grounded from both lack of fuel and 0-0 weather and visibility. I was just North of Hue with the 1st Cav. We were out of artillery rounds and could only get naval gunfire on occasion. We were fighting toe to toe and conserving every round and grenade. We were scavenging enemy bodies for ammo, grenades and food. We were floating wounded on inflated air mattresses in rice paddies to get them a little further back to the rear for medical care. All too many died for lack of supplies and the ability to get them to more advanced care that was normally available

Our effort was an unqualified victory and on a level with the siege of Bastogne in WWII, but without air power and hourly helicopter resupply. The enemy had suffered disasterous losses to their main force units and the Viet Cong was left with 10% of it's strength. Only to find out that Walter Cronkite, who had never fired a shot in anger, to declare that it was a disasterous loss, and that we had lost the war.

In the end, our valor and sacrifice were for nothing because of dishonest politicians, left wing radicalism and a lying press. It is especially disgusting to note that those who were student militant radicals are now running our country and it's universities.

Thank you for your service.

[rick173]

Hey yaall I had to jump in here bein it looks like the night of Ricks here. When I heard that bit about Giap on the news the guy said he was famous for having lost over a million of his troops. That's a nice obituary for the bastard.
I read a book about him years back and how he planned Tet. Jaysouths Brothers in the Cav were kept busy in the action he talks about below and my unit was sucked into Dak To. It was ironic that Dak To was the site of the defeat of the French paratroopers in the 50's. He pulled the 173rd away from central Viet Nam and into the same trap he set for the French. That left the coastal cities wide open except for the Marines to try and stop the NVA advance during Tet. He called it shaking the American tiger by the tail.
I was there during the first year of the big build up and we had our share of nasty battles, but I thank God I was not there for Dak To.

Ain't it amazing how **** like this you want to forget and still your drawn to study and remember it so many years later. My wife asked me who Giap was. I told her he was someone I hated and didn't want to talk about.
Well goodnight all my fellow grunts. At least we're here to ponder these questions.