Seeing the end of the panic here.

[abqcaster]

I went to my favorite gun shop and tried to sell some brass I wasn't gonna use. Got offered much less than usual. Took the offer anyway. I went back to the used brass bins to spend my new found "fortune" and all the prices were less than half of what they had been. So it all worked out very well for me. They're good and honest folks there. They pass savings on when they can. After that I went to Walmart for a gallon of milk and some shaving cream. Naturally, I had to check out the ammo shelves, and lo and behold, they were almost fully stocked and at most $1/box higher than last year. Say what people will about Walmart, but they have stood by us shooters very well in every panic. Lastly, I got an email from Midway saying they were stocked with primers. Sure enough, they were. I'm still holding out for Powder Valley to stock up but it's looking good. I got 3000 spps and 8lbs of AA#5 there, last month for a great price.... What are your observations folks?

[Whiterabbit]

on the mend. 22LR still needs to catch up. Prices jumped high here in CA and are staying that way. But availability is there if you are willing to pay.

[abqcaster]

Yeah... .22lr is still absent and still super expensive elsewhere. I was luck to have stocked up on it, on a whim long before the panic.
And for whatever reason the Socorro Walmart has stayed pretty well stocked. . .

[carbine86]

In my area ive been seeing 22lr slowly coming back. gander mountain last week had atleast 100 500 round bricks of cci but still priced higher than i would pay at 49.95 per brick. Cabelas has 223 ammo for around $0.40 per round.

[sparky45]

Well for me the "panic" buying isn't over since I only need to buy .22LR as I reload everything else. Components for reloading are starting to trickle onto shelves but at much higher prices. I'm down to only 4 bricks of .22 left, so I hope it loosens up sooner rather than later. Thank goodness I only live 38 miles from Powder Valley.

[Reg]

Lots of primers at the gun show last weekend, prices were in the $38.00-$39.00 range then Midway came out this morning with them at $30.00- $32.00. Small selection of powders ( no 2400 ) mostly $26.00. I understand some Wally worlds are now having primers on the shelf again. Still no .22's that I am willing to pay for.
At least there are a few things showing up on the shelf's.

[NWPilgrim]

Seeing a small increase locally in bullets and Win primers, but no powder. Actually saw some .223, 9mm, .40 and .380 on the shelves last week. WWB 9mm is still higher than before, like $20/box whereas it used to be $13.

Online I have picked up some powder in the last month that had not been available before such as W231, IMR4227, 3N37, N110. And seeing some primers make it back, mostly CCI. Bullets are getting much better. I've been able to find decent prices and quick shipping on Missouri Cast Bullets and most of my jacketed rifle bullets.

[novalty]

Seeing a lot more handgun ammo on the shelf of my local Wally World. A lot of 40 S&W, and a good selection of 45 acp, some 9mm, 38 special. Saw a big stack of Winchester .22lr 100 packs 2 days ago at the end of the day. A week or so ago I saw a 1,000 round pack of .223 ($447). I am so glad I cast & reload, saw a Remington 250 bulk pack of 45ACP a couple weeks ago priced at $114.45 OTD. Had to pick my jaw up off the floor at $0.46/round I couldn't justify that cost. Remember buying the same box a couple of years ago for $76 OTD--that's a 50% increase.

[LynC2]

I'm seeing a bit of improvement locally, a couple of places had primers and one with some powder. Hopefully it gets better too.

[km101]

There is a pretty good stock of handgun and rifle ammo on the shelf at the local Academy store. They have
.22 lr in stock @ $2.29/box of 50. They still have a limit on most of the handgun ammo.

Local Walmart stores still don't have stock on ammo. I think the hoarders/resellers are keeping them cleaned out.

New Gander Mtn. store opened near me and they have a good stock of everything but .22 ammo. But they are higher than the eyebrows on a giraffe! But no reloading components/equipment and they don't know when/if they will get any. Really frustrating!

Powder Valley seems to have some stuff trickling in, but no reliable stock on hand. Seems to go out as fast as it comes in.

All in all I would have to say that things aren't much better, but at least they aren't worse!

[Love Life]

I never noticed a shortage. With a bit of research, and the willingness to eat a couple hazmat fees to purchase absolutely needed items, I have gotten along quite well.

Heck, I even picked this time to have a rifle converted to a differen, but still in demand, caliber.

[dragon813gt]

Demand is not over until limit restrictions are removed and next to no items are listed as "out of stock" at retailers. I can get everything locally. But at prices I'm not willing to pay. I'm not happy about the price of CCI primers at PV when they have them. I'm looking to make a lifetime purchase, I'm 34, when things are back to normal. I've had almost a year to save up and I plan on buying by the pallet. Prices are never going to go down so might as well buy when I can afford it.

[abqcaster]

LynC2, Sportsman's Warehouse seems to be well stocked now, and my Walmart on San Mateo is well stocked too.

Km101, as for the resellers, Have you noticed that Walmart has started putting stickers on its ammo boxes asking you to report to them anyone reselling ammo from Walmart.

Dragon813gt, Walmart here, never had restrictions. Never has... They're getting a lot of my business....

[abqcaster]

Also, like I said... I am seeing the end, I do not declare it over from my perspective...

[jeepyj]

I've see some improvement. I bought sp primers this last week 36.00 per K. Seen primers at 4 locations. Some 22LRs but still not where they should be way up here in Maine.
Jeepyj

[Swamp Man]

Well I'v been seeing more shotgun,rifle and some pistol ammo. But as far as I'm concerned it's not over until 22lr are on the shelves at a good price and 410 presses and reloading supplies are available for them. Those are the only two things I'm interested in and also the two hardest hit in this shortage. We all know why the 22lr was hit hard. 410 was low demand for years and then co's started making lots of 410 in hand gun form.The supplies makers didn't increase on supplies so they get bought up as soon as they hit the shelves. Luckily I have plenty of ammo for both but that's what I'm basing the end of the shortage on.

[Ohio Rusty]

Not seeing any end to the shortages at Walmart in Ohio. Everytime I go in the shelves are bare naked. Maybe a couple of boxes of 270. They have started putting a few boxes of shotgun shells on the shelves. There has been no common pistol or rifle ammo at the 3 walmarts I constantly check for almost a year. The local gun shop had six 20 round boxes of imported .308FMJ's for 28.88 a box. Some .45 ammo and shotgun shells. No .22 rounds anywhere to be had. I have a goodly stash so I'm not worried. I shoot mostly 38's and .357's and I can load them cheaper than .22 rounds now lately. I'm only interested now in finding some Trail Boss powder ..... Maybe I'll find something I'm looking for at the collectors gun show coming up next weekend.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[Junior1942]

I bought a can of Pyrodex P at my local gun store this morning. Wal-Mart here has no 22lr but lots of other stuff including 410 shotshells galore and Winchester #11 caps. It's getting better.

[aspangler]

Local Walmart here has an abundance of all center fire ammo. Not much 22lr coming in and is sold almost before it hits the sales floor. Limit 3 boxes/day. Also getting some primers in. Bought 1000 last week SP standard WW 38.00.

[Jeff Michel]

If you don't mind a drive, Baker Brothers in Bucyrus had half a dozen bottles of Trail boss this afternoon. He won't be open till Tuesday, (his daughter is getting married) If you want to call to verify and to tell him to "set it back" The number is 419-562-1901.


Not seeing any end to the shortages at Walmart in Ohio. Everytime I go in the shelves are bare naked. Maybe a couple of boxes of 270. They have started putting a few boxes of shotgun shells on the shelves. There has been no common pistol or rifle ammo at the 3 walmarts I constantly check for almost a year. The local gun shop had six 20 round boxes of imported .308FMJ's for 28.88 a box. Some .45 ammo and shotgun shells. No .22 rounds anywhere to be had. I have a goodly stash so I'm not worried. I shoot mostly 38's and .357's and I can load them cheaper than .22 rounds now lately. I'm only interested now in finding some Trail Boss powder ..... Maybe I'll find something I'm looking for at the collectors gun show coming up next weekend.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[GRUMPA]

In my local area I found a small out of the way LGS that apparently just opened up. OH he had rifles most of which were 22RF and no ammo, I still can't wrap my head around that but so be it. He did have an assortment of primers at $32 +tax and when SWMBO goes to the market I have her pick up 2K or so.

Powders?? If and when you find them be ready to grab your ankles and pay the base price of $36LB and I don't care what it is. Around here they have it figured out what it would cost you to get it including Hazmat and transportation and that's there price.

We do have a WallyWorld but it's 58 miles one way and we haven't been there in almost 4 years now so I have no clue what they have if anything. Ammo in the more obscure configurations is almost impossible to get, I still get requests to make stuff up which I refuse to do. I will teach them how to roll your own but they're either to lazy or have a major lack of interest or both.

[2AMMD]

My son found 22 standard velocity at a local shop (limit 4 boxes of 50) w/ freinds etc. came home w/ 600 rnds. Also got REM SPP for 43.00/1000, Don't know if that is a good price, but at least he could buy the whole brick. Thats better than I've the other shops here.

[marvelshooter]

My LGS has plenty of Unique and 2400. I didn't ask about anything else or .22's.

[375supermag]

Things are still spotty around these parts.

I went on one of my LGS rounds today and saw some encouraging things, but others that were not quite as encouraging.

One shop (Trop in E-town,Pa) had a decent supply of .22LR, including a couple of 55rd bricks at $39each. I ain't paying that until I absolutely don't have any other choice. They also had quite a few 50rd boxes at $2.49-2.99 each and some target grade stuff at considerably higher cost.

They did have primers ($32-35/1K)available... still 1000 per customer per day. Powders were hit and miss...prices were reasonable.

My son bought a couple boxes of Rem .30/30 CoreLokts for $16.50 a box.

Lots of firearms on the shelves...prices have pretty much returned to pre-panic levels.

Kinsey's in E-town is lacking in powder...very little on the shelves. Primers were available...$34-39/1K). Lots of firearms available...prices pretty reasonable, especially on used guns.
They did have some .22LR...no bulk packs. I did find some .22Mag at $9.99/100. I am still in pretty good shape supply-wise on .22Mag, so I will wait and see if the supply firms up before I shoot or buy any.

Shyda's a distributor in Lebanon, Pa has good supplies of just about everything at good prices except .22rimfire. They are giving away 500-1000 rounds of .22LR with the purchase of select semi-auto .22LR rifles. They still have limits on powder and primers, but except for a couple of powders most anything you wanted was available.

Enck's Gun Barn in Lebanon County, Pa has good supplies of just about everything that they sell...prices were good. I did not price their powder and primers...I got into a discussion about something with a couple of guys and got distracted. I did buy a 525rd bulk pack of Remington .22LR(not Thunderbolts) for $25...no .22mag available. they have been getting it in but it only lasts a few hours they said.

Good prices on a myriad of shooting supplies all through the shop. Large quantities of commercial cast lead bullets at decent prices(considering the cost of lead).

I saw some good deals on used guns at each shop...if I did not have to put a rear end in my wife's Jeep this week, I would be working a couple of deals at a couple of shops. The gun fund is going to take a real hit paying for this Jeep repair.

[olereb]

Luckily I have all I need for all calibers and plenty of BP but every now and then when i'm at wally world I check the gun section out and there isn't much of anything,the closest Bass Pro has some stuff but not at a price I would be willing to pay if I needed anything. I stocked up years back on everything and am good for along time thankfully.

[BNE]

The local gun stores are getting standard pistol and rifle rounds in. I actually found powder and primers in a new store in Greenville SC. They even had a pallet of 50 round boxes of .22LRs, but they were $5 per box. Too high for me.
Wally World is getting more in, but no .22s yet.

[daengmei]

Been goin to Walmart 2 or 3 times a week since New Years, only a couple of miles from home. Never any 22lr until a few days ago when I saw the clerk stocking something. Two older fellows inline....they wanted the 225 ammo? Clerk says what? They were wanting the Remington 225 packs of hollow point. Tell me they weren't reselling that stuff. Hope they get caught. I got some this time, just over $10 a box.

[capt.hollis]

In my part of Tx we have a general store that sells ammo. The re selling of ammo is so bad that they only limit us to 2 boxes of whatever shells you want other than shotgun shells. They are in full stock with ammo no doubt, but its just rediculous with the people that are re selling . Here's the bad part , yes we are getting out of the bullet scare slowly but surely, but....... Let one more dumb a$& go into another school and do what the last one did, and its all over. The bullet scarce will be x 10 of what we saw last time. No doubt this will happen again somewhere, and its sickening to even think of such a thing but its reality. There are too Many nuts out there with guns, and those nuts are the ones that will end the good ol days for us.

[Swamp Man]

In my part of Tx we have a general store that sells ammo. The re selling of ammo is so bad that they only limit us to 2 boxes of whatever shells you want other than shotgun shells. They are in full stock with ammo no doubt, but its just rediculous with the people that are re selling . Here's the bad part , yes we are getting out of the bullet scare slowly but surely, but....... Let one more dumb a$& go into another school and do what the last one did, and its all over. The bullet scarce will be x 10 of what we saw last time. No doubt this will happen again somewhere, and its sickening to even think of such a thing but its reality. There are too Many nuts out there with guns, and those nuts are the ones that will end the good ol days for us.
That's what I fear once the stock is back we will have a nut job do something crazy. If not that the DC nut cases will try for another ban of some type and we're right back to a panic.

[Rex]

Local Wal-Mart had several pounds of Varget among some other powder on the shelf, primers can usually be found now, some things still missing but a lot better than it has been.

[marvelshooter]

Local Wal-Mart had several pounds of Varget among some other powder on the shelf, primers can usually be found now, some things still missing but a lot better than it has been.
I wish our Walmarts sold components. Or even Dick's. Bass Pro does but they are an hour away.

[gbrown]

Below is what was posted on a Classified section, "Firearms", in a local internet site. www.southeasttexas.com That's what the gougers are doing. Look at this site and look at all the gougers. That's a large part of the problem. I have seen more and more ammunition on the shelves around here, but the price seems to be up somewhat. I saw some bricks of 22 rimfire on a shelf, but the ole boy wanted $50.00 a brick. If you consider paying exorbitant prices as the end of the drought, I guess so.

.22 Ammo !!!!!! Cheap
Listen up shooters stop paying crazy prices for ammo, just be at the stores 45min before they open and wait or simply order online and don't leave home!

[Love Life]

I had to head into Reno yesterday and hit the Sportsman's warehouse, Cabelas, and Scheels.

I bought a sweet vest at Sportsmans, but didn't really see anything I needed at Cabela's.

Both Cabela's and Sportsmans had primers and stuff.

Now Scheels was a different story. They had 6mm 105 gr Amax bullets at a great price. They had 500 in stock. I wanted all 500, but they have a 2 box per customer limit. What to do, what to do?

Scheels has a check out on both ends of the store. I walked by both check out sections to see who was running the registers. A couple teenage males wearing their sister's pants and the rest of the check out aisles were run by teenage girls who looked bored. Success. Plus I'm a cash money man so no card.

Needless to say I got my 6mm bullets, 8mm bullets, and .451 230 gr fmj.

I really hate when socialism invades my life and makes me stop from buying what I want so everybody can get their "Fair share".


Now, before everybody freaks out, here is the deal. I never buy bullets by the 100, even when doing load development. If the gun likes the bullet, then I have more. If the gun hates the bullet, then I sell what is left. Also, why would you buy 100 today at $22.99 and 100 3 months from now at $24.99? Anywho, it seems stock is out there.

[bruce drake]

I still have hoarders here in Indiana. Went to the local Wal-Mart a few weeks ago for 4 straight days to be in the line for the ammo layout at 7:30 AM. Saw the SAME 3 people in front of me each day buying their maximum of 3 boxes of Rem bulk pack 22LR and on the fourth day I beat them to the line and bought my one box. One guy asked me why I only bought one box. I told him its so that others could enjoy the shooting sports. An individual greedily taking from other shooters does get my goat. I also asked him why he needed 9 boxes of bulk Pack as I knew what he had bought as I was in line for the 3 days prior and knew that the man could not have shot that much in 3 days in a work week. I also told him, I know what a gouger looks like as he fits the bill.

Bruce

[John Allen]

The Hamburg Cabelas had every size primer in a couple of differnet brands. They only had maybe 3 different powders and no 22. our local walmart has some rifle ammo but still no 22. They never did stock alot to begin with. It is getting better around here but still has a ways to go.

[jcwit]

I still have hoarders here in Indiana. Went to the local Wal-Mart a few weeks ago for 4 straight days to be in the line for the ammo layout at 7:30 AM. Saw the SAME 3 people in front of me each day buying their maximum of 3 boxes of Rem bulk pack 22LR and on the fourth day I beat them to the line and bought my one box. One guy asked me why I only bought one box. I told him its so that others could enjoy the shooting sports. An individual greedily taking from other shooters does get my goat. I also asked him why he needed 9 boxes of bulk Pack as I knew what he had bought as I was in line for the 3 days prior and knew that the man could not have shot that much in 3 days in a work week. I also told him, I know what a gouger looks like as he fits the bill.

Bruce

What age group did those same 3 people fit into?

[TXGunNut]

Looks like most centerfire ammo supplies close to normal again around here. Cabelas had pallets of 12 & 20 ga dove hunting ammo, so I bought a case. Last case of AA's has last me for 20 yrs so I'm pretty well covered there.
Primers are spotty and no one seems to have some powders that I'd like to try. I have plenty of powder & primers for my normal loads but this shortage is bringing a new dimension to load development.
Local new Gander Mountain store had literally tons of centerfire ammo but the table that had held 22 lr was literally destroyed. Must have been interesting. No idea if the prices were in line, I quit buying factory handgun ammo a couple of years ago. 223 looks about right @ Cabelas.
Guess it could be winding down but quite honestly its taken a few more months than I expected.

[Lead Fred]

Homeland is still buying millions of soviet bloc rounds (for which they dont even have the firearms to sue them in)

As long as the gobermint is gearing up, the people will also

[Harry O]

I went to the first gunshow this weekend that I have gone to since the end of January. I was so pissed off about the attempted gouging back then that I swore off.

The formerly $700 AR-15's that were priced at $2,700 in January have come back down to about $1,300. Otherwise, everything was a little bit high, but not ridiculous. Other things seems to have settled at about 10% higher than before Sandy Hook.

Except for a few things. Only a couple of places had a few .22LR cartridges and they wanted 45 to 50 cents per cartridge ($22.50 to $25.00 per box of 50). I am not sure, but isn't 50 cent .22LR cartridges one of the signs of the apocalypse?

[Love Life]

The panic is probably going to start again.

[bruce drake]

What age group did those same 3 people fit into?

Late 40's to Early 50's.

Bruce

[jcwit]

12 Dead at the Naval Yard, here we go again.

[jcwit]

Late 40's to Early 50's.

Bruce

Well they weren't retired then. Maybe unemployed supplementing their welfare by reselling/gouging.

[bruce drake]

Oh...capitalists...


Well they weren't retired then. Maybe unemployed supplementing their welfare by reselling/gouging.

[Love Life]

MMMMMMMM. Capitalism.

[Swamp Man]

The panic is probably going to start again.
Yep. It's will be in full swing in no time.

[jcwit]

Capitalism or not it is part of the supply problem with ammo and components.

To think or believe otherwise is foolish.

[Blacksmith]

I don't need another it isn't over here. I was in two gun stores today.
1st only had LRN in .38 Special, no .357 Mag, no .44 Mag., no .22LR.
2nd had ammo and some components all pricey. primers $39+ per thousand one sleeve limit, powder about 8 or 10 types high prices and 2 pound limit, no bullets.

Order your .22LR now because if the panic starts again you won't see any for a year.

[Love Life]

Capitalism or not it is part of the supply problem with ammo and components.

To think or believe otherwise is foolish.

Agreed.

[MUSTANG]

Where Do you buy Pallets of 22LR? I think putting a pallet on order would be prudent if the "Shortage" continues given today's events. The President was cited on CNBC as stating he still believes that we need "REASONABLE" controls on firearms. I figure if I bought a pallet, should be easy to sell the excess, even if the shortage ends.


Mustang

[Swamp Man]

Where Do you buy Pallets of 22LR? I think putting a pallet on order would be prudent if the "Shortage" continues given today's events. The President was cited on CNBC as stating he still believes that we need "REASONABLE" controls on firearms. I figure if I bought a pallet, should be easy to sell the excess, even if the shortage ends.


Mustang
Mexico.

[avogunner]

Not sure if the "panic" is subsiding but until yesterday, there were positive signs. This past weekend I attended a local gun show and it certainly seemed like an "adequate" supply of everything was on hand. Tables of AR's but not a "pre-panic" prices, the cheapest I saw around $850. Plenty of ammo was for sale but also most too pricey for me. For example, I saw those REM-UMC value packs (250 count) of 9mm FMJ going for $135+.....that's just dumb. A couple of vendors were present with a decent selection of reloading supplies. Primers were running anywhere from $35-45 a thou and powder in the $25 a pound range. Not too outrageous and just a bit higher than 8 months ago so I got some powder that I've been looking for. I also managed to pick up a partial box of old Lyman .30 cal gas checks for $5 (offered $10 but the gentleman said "that's too much"). .22 rf prices were still ridiculous though. They started at $20 per hundred and went up! I know, I know.....what the market will bear etc., but I consider these jacka**es gougers and profiteers of the worst sort. These are the kind of guys that have a truck load of generators on stand by just waiting for the next hurricane. They're probably headed to Colorado right now to sell them to those poor flood victims now for 5X the price.

[Blacksmith]

.22 ammo $285.00 per case delivered.
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/ammo.htm#Aguila22

[km101]

"The Panic" is a USA thing! My son regularly travels to Vancouver and he says that the gun shop that he has checked several times has plenty of reloading components, all at what we used to consider normal pricing.

While on vacation in Mexico I found Aguila 22lr ammo priced at about $1/box. (still not sure about the exchange rate). There was not much other ammo displayed but the owner said that he could get anything I wanted. But you could buy Cuban cigars (guaranteed to be genuine :)) on most street corners!

The countries to the North and South of us are not experiencing shortages so I don't understand why it is happening in the US.

[km101]

.22 ammo $285.00 per case delivered.
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/ammo.htm#Aguila22

With a 6-12 month wait time!

[Blacksmith]

Ordered a case in February got it in August, but I got it. I put another on order for next year. They don't charge your credit card until it is ready to ship. I don't have to cut back on shooting. :Fire: I am not running around looking for it. [smilie=2: I didn't have to pay gouger prices. [smilie=b: And if I don't like it I can sell it for $50 or $100 a brick. :kidding:

[km101]

Ordered a case in February got it in August, but I got it. I put another on order for next year. They don't charge your credit card until it is ready to ship. I don't have to cut back on shooting. :Fire: I am not running around looking for it. [smilie=2: I didn't have to pay gouger prices. [smilie=b: And if I don't like it I can sell it for $50 or $100 a brick. :kidding:


Good points, I may have to order some myself! Thanks!

[another gunslinger]

I'm still am amazed the walmart sells reloading components. It is a lot better here in MO, wally world was even selling 1k rounds of American Eagle 5.56 for $477. Nobody has the 32 s&w short that I was interested in...

[Ed Barrett]

Driving back from New York Monday, I stopped at the Cabelas in suburban St. Louis, They had about a complete selection of centerfire rifle and pistol ammo, the only rimfire was .17 and .22 Mag. Had all sizes of primers and some powder, no bullseye. I picked up some 52 grain .22 sierra hpbts and one of the self healing roll around targets that was on sale. I have not checked the LGS since I have been back, but they were in good shape on everything but .22 when I left 2 weeks ago.

[Lead Fred]

Was on Powder Valley last night, when the e-mails went out that power was in.

12 minutes later, it was all gone.

I was lucky to get out of there with 4lbs of 800-X

[marvelshooter]

I have to say things are getting better. I was in a LGS today and they had plenty of just about every powder you could think of and some I never heard of. I got a pound each of Unique and 2400 for $22 each. There was enough that I didn't feel the need - patting myself on the back here - to clean them out of either one.

[Sweetpea]

22LR available here:

https://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/22-long-rifle/22-lr-aguila-40-gr-super-extra-standard-velocity-lead-50-rnds-m-id-640420001050-upc-640420001050?zenid=778ce219a75578ac701a67f1b

I'd sure have to be a lot more desperate...

Brandon

[Lead Fred]

Scalpers

[Swamp Man]

22LR available here:

https://alamoammo.com/rifle-ammo/22-long-rifle/22-lr-aguila-40-gr-super-extra-standard-velocity-lead-50-rnds-m-id-640420001050-upc-640420001050?zenid=778ce219a75578ac701a67f1b
That's painful. Glad I still have enough for a while.

[jcwit]

Wonder how bad they'll want our business when things return to reality.

[Love Life]

Wonder how bad they'll want our business when things return to reality.

If they ever do. The online news places have been splattered with new gun control push articles. I put in a large order with Midway and Grafs the day the Navy yard shooting happened. I will be placing a large order at a couple more places in the near future. I've got a new caliber I need to wring out and I want to ensure that I can wring it out.

[km101]

The panic aint over until I can walk into a gun shop and find anything I need on the shelf. And I don't think that is going to happen any time soon!

I visited 3 different gun shops in N. East Texas this weekend while on a road trip. None had any significant amount of ammo or reloading supplies. And none had any expectations of getting any in the foreseeable future.
They all said that supplies are arriving at a trickle and suppliers are not optimistic. Only one had a good supply of handguns and long guns. He said that he has to comb suppliers "all over the nation" to get guns and is paying premium prices to get them.

Feels like the panic is far from over around here!

[Swamp Man]

The panic aint over until I can walk into a gun shop and find anything I need on the shelf.

That's what I'v said from the beginning of this mess. It looked like things were getting better here in mid summer but that didn't last long. I'v gave up on looking for 22lr and started focusing on shotgun ammo while it's coming in. I believe it's only coming in in good amounts because of hunting season and will slow down after hunting season.

[dragon813gt]

They all said that supplies are arriving at a trickle and suppliers are not optimistic. Only one had a good supply of handguns and long guns. He said that he has to comb suppliers "all over the nation" to get guns and is paying premium prices to get them.


The demand for firearms is at all time high. But they are not in short supply around me. Every store is fully stocked and prices are where they were before Newtown. So it sounds like the store is just blowing smoke so they can charge a premium. Certain models are still hard to get due to demand. But the shelves and cases aren't empty like they were in January.

[WallyM3]

Here in SW VT, we have a local store that has at least one of everything. The ammo shelf has been showing gaps, but that's not unusual in the months prior to the hunting seasons.

I asked the gal who does the semi-annual order if it had been placed? And what the result was. (This store supplied me with my first 4 boxes of .358 Win. when I just walked in and needed it now .) The only item that the supplier could fill was 7.62x39.

No .270, no '06, etc.

I'm glad I cast and (re)load.

[Love Life]

I see no firearms shortage. That was kind of self limiting when loaded ammo became unobtainium. AR's, Glocks, etc are easily found in my area and online. Ammo is not. Of course I load all my own, and if I had to HAVE some ammo, then one of the LGS is priced high enough to have plenty in stock.

[Blacksmith]

Handguns and "assault rifles" are scarce around here. But that is because the state law changes Oct. 1st on these items. Conventional rifles and shotguns are plentiful, everybody is buying things that will be banned or much harder to get. My son checked all the gun stores in his area looking for a 1911 style in .45ACP, he only found two but when he went back to buy one they were both gone. Because of demand there are no bargains available. People who bought from dealers who won't be able to deliver before the deadline are canceling their orders and eating the restocking fees just to place an order that will be delivered on time.

Fight the anti Bill of Rights forces at every step or they will take your civil rights like they did mine in Maryland.

[Love Life]

Your plight saddens me, Blacksmith. Have any of the big gun rights organizations stepped in? Anything people can do from out of state? We have to pull together on these.

Either that or we get to re-institute the poll tax. It's now ok to tax right isn't it?

[flint45]

around here cant find much in the way of .22lr some primers but very high priced.

[Blacksmith]

Your plight saddens me, Blacksmith. Have any of the big gun rights organizations stepped in? Anything people can do from out of state? We have to pull together on these.

Either that or we get to re-institute the poll tax. It's now ok to tax right isn't it?

All the biggies are here the lawsuits are just waiting for the law to go into effect, Oct. 1st. There was a last minute hearing today in the state capital of course it went against the 2nd, but the other side said some things in testimony that they will have to eat in court later.

[AlaskanGuy]

Things here in Alaska have not gotten better... Last time i went to town a couple weeks ago, there was no powder, no primers and almost no loaded ammo. Haven seen a 22 lr for sale in over a year at our local shop.

I plan to go to town on the 2nd of the month and will check all of the stores in a 60 mile radius of Anchorage for powder and such. Ad i will report on the success of the trip... But this whole thing has been a real drag for folks that live rurally here. And we need the ammo for winter meat. 1 lb of burger is near 5 bucks here...

[Swamp Man]

Things here in Alaska have not gotten better... Last time i went to town a couple weeks ago, there was no powder, no primers and almost no loaded ammo. Haven seen a 22 lr for sale in over a year at our local shop.

I plan to go to town on the 2nd of the month and will check all of the stores in a 60 mile radius of Anchorage for powder and such. Ad i will report on the success of the trip... But this whole thing has been a real drag for folks that live rurally here. And we need the ammo for winter meat. 1 lb of burger is near 5 bucks here... I would suggest you try some big bore air rifles but I don't know how well they would work in that cold or even if they would work at those temps. Have you looked into crossbows as a back up meat getter?

[oldred]

I would suggest you try some big bore air rifles but I don't know how well they would work in that cold or even if they would work at those temps. Have you looked into crossbows as a back up meat getter?




Wow it's scary to think it's even come to having to make suggestions such as this!

(NOT knocking your post there Swap Man, it's a good one, it just gets me to thinking that the anti-gunners have at least made such an impact and THAT'S scary)

[Swamp Man]

Wow it's scary to think it's even come to having to make suggestions such as this!

(NOT knocking your post there Swap Man, it's a good one, it just gets me to thinking that the anti-gunners have at least made such an impact and THAT'S scary) Yes it's scary to think it's got this bad. I have always had air rifles and have used them for small game from time to time. I just bought two crossbows this summer and added my name to the list for a custom built big bore air rifle. I'm to the point to where I no longer buy firearms due to the shortage of ammo and would rather invest my money in things I can get supplies for.

[Love Life]

I'm to the point to where I no longer buy firearms due to the shortage of ammo and would rather invest my money in things I can get supplies for.

^^^This. I came across some good deals on firearms in town the other day, but passed on all of them because I didn't reload for the calibers. Kind of a bummer.

[AlaskanGuy]

Well, i am a total archery guy... Have 6 bows and am pretty good with them... Been building my own arrows for years also... But dont wanna have to rely on them.. Very hard to hunt with a bow in my neck of the woods because of how thick the woods are... But i do have a backup ... I dont use crossbows... Pretty much everybody in my family can use a bow and is good with it....

[Swamp Man]

Well, i am a total archery guy... Have 6 bows and am pretty good with them... Been building my own arrows for years also... But dont wanna have to rely on them.. Very hard to hunt with a bow in my neck of the woods because of how thick the woods are... But i do have a backup ... I dont use crossbows... Pretty much everybody in my family can use a bow and is good with it....I went with crossbows because I have R.A. and using a bow would be a killer on my shoulder and hands. I haven't even used them yet but will pull them out soon and target shooting with them.

[Swamp Man]

^^^This. I came across some good deals on firearms in town the other day, but passed on all of them because I didn't reload for the calibers. Kind of a bummer.
I put off buying 3 guns I wanted already because of ammo. It's a bummer but I really don't need high priced clubs.

[Love Life]

You speak truth Swamp Man. Even tooling up to reload a new caliber can cost as much as the firearm. So while I really wanted a Beretta 25 acp pocket pistol, I didn't want to get hosed on ammo. It was a great price...

Which crossbows did you get? The ones you step on to cock or the ones with the windy things? I had a crossbow years back and it was fun.

[Swamp Man]

I bought a rope pull for lighter use and a Parker Concorde with auto cocking for larger game.

[beezapilot]

Oddly the local Walmart is picked clean every time that I am in there, Gander & BP seem to have a good selection on the shelves again. Our ace in the hole through the panic here in Central Fl was a little independent shop, always seemed to have what I needed- at higher prices than most, but he said that he bought for one shop vice a dozen or a hundred and the prices were the best he could do. The last time I was in there primers (209's) had dropped $8 a box, He said that the prices had come down so he was doing the same. I think I'll continue to buy stuff from him... never know when things might get tight again, support him in the good times so he can be there in the bad.

[starmac]

I stopped by sportsmans while ago, they have most ammo that a guy could want, at I guess alright prices, except 22 rimfire. The only 22 shells they had were cci longs (not long rifle) and the price was 9.99 a hundred. lol

They had 50 BMG ammo for a paltry 41.95 for a box of 10, made me want to run out and get me one of them babys.

[trochilids]

I plan to go to town on the 2nd of the month and will check all of the stores in a 60 mile radius of Anchorage for powder and such.

Hopefully you will be successful. I haven't shopped in Anchortown for a bit, but some of the shops in Wasilla are showing definite signs of life. Sportsman's Warehouse has had primers and powder (periodically) over the last couple weeks. The most appreciable change is that many customers when I'm there are only picking up a small amount (not the maximum on powder/ammo/primers) and leaving stuff on the shelves for the next guy now -- and I doubt it's because of the price either, which to my eye isn't repulsively higher than before the scare. Ammo availability is more consistent there lately, too. Stock and availability changes daily and I can't help but wonder if they grew tired of the huge flood of customers on delivery day and are storing stuff in the back and doling it out to the shelves regularly throughout the week.

Arctic Ammo on Palmer-Wasilla Highway also had handgun primers and rifle powder this morning and is worth a look. Good luck.

[Blacksmith]

I bought a rope pull for lighter use and a Parker Concorde with auto cocking for larger game.

Don't forget you can even kill a bear with a big enough deadfall. Think tree sized logs.

[Swamp Man]

Don't forget you can even kill a bear with a big enough deadfall. Think tree sized logs.
So will a red hot arrow with a 100 gr. broadhead.

[starmac]

Swampman, It is not cold during a lot of the hunting seasons. lol The general moose season is now over in most places, and it is not cold yet.

[DanWalker]

Right now people are lining up at the sporting goods counter of Walmart to buyout all the 22's they stock on the selves at 7AM. Then they will double or triple the price. A person who would gouge shooters with an antigun aministration in the WH and all the other groups lining up against us, is SCUM. yeah, sure, it's capitalism. So is selling blankets to freezing people or food to starving people. I hope these jerks fall HARD when Kharma or the ATF catches up with them. Every kid that loses interest in the shooting sports, or never even gets to develop a love for them, due to a lack of affordable ammo, is on THEM. I sure hope these PUKES enjoy the money they are making by screwing people. I'm not spewing sour grapes. I put back 22 ammo, starting a long time ago, and have plenty. I have been giving it away to my friends so they can take their kids and spouses shooting. I encourage EVERYONE to start turning these creeps in when they see them reselling ammo. It really makes me hate people when I see them act like this. I try hard to see the good in man, unfortunately I haven't seen much lately...

[starmac]

I don't completely agree with the practice, but turn them for what and to who?? It will be a sad day when an individual can't sell ammo.

[DanWalker]

Do you suppose these wonderful caring folks are paying sales tax for all this ammo they sell? Don't you need a license to be an ammunition seller? How much ammo is one allowed to sell before it becomes a business enterprise? I'd like to just curb stomp them for what they are doing, but then I'd be the bad guy...

[Swamp Man]

Swampman, It is not cold during a lot of the hunting seasons. lol The general moose season is now over in most places, and it is not cold yet.
Well maybe the big bore PCP air guns would work up there. I know about as much about that state as I do about the moon which is nothing. lol I just thought it was cold a good part of the year there.

[starmac]

LOL Most anything that will work anywhere will work here, unless you happen to run into one of those beeg bears with an attitude, and not enough sense to know he has been killed.
I don't know anything about the big bore air guns, but I would be skeptical at best on using one here.

[Swamp Man]

LOL Most anything that will work anywhere will work here, unless you happen to run into one of those beeg bears with an attitude, and not enough sense to know he has been killed.
I don't know anything about the big bore air guns, but I would be skeptical at best on using one here.
You should check into them you would be shock at just what some of them can do.

[starmac]

Do you suppose these wonderful caring folks are paying sales tax for all this ammo they sell? Don't you need a license to be an ammunition seller? How much ammo is one allowed to sell before it becomes a business enterprise? I'd like to just curb stomp them for what they are doing, but then I'd be the bad guy...
I don't think you need a license to sell ammo, at least not in a free state. I doubt they are paying taxes on their profits, but it is likely cash and would be hard to get real numbers to charge them with. I don't like what they are doing either, but most of the guys doing it are not big money businessmen, so we could end their chosen career in a month or less by just not buying from them.

[starmac]

You should check into them you would be shock at just what some of them can do.

I may, out of curiosity, but I have lots of ammo and even more components in a variety of calibers for my use. Even in this day and time I pick up factory ammo at garage sales for 1/2 of pre 2008 prices. I turned down several free bricks of 22 ammo last week, when I was in N.M., mainly because I was just planning to use a carryon with no checked baggage on the ride home.

[Swamp Man]

I may, out of curiosity, but I have lots of ammo and even more components in a variety of calibers for my use. Even in this day and time I pick up factory ammo at garage sales for 1/2 of pre 2008 prices. I turned down several free bricks of 22 ammo last week, when I was in N.M., mainly because I was just planning to use a carryon with no checked baggage on the ride home. Reason I'm buying a big bore,spring air rifles and crossbows is due to the anti nut jobs trying to make life hard on us. With those items I can get supplies or they can be made and there is no need for primers or powders ever. Well that and I'v always been into air guns but now I'm stepping it up to larger bore guns. This year I seen we can no longer count on the ammo makers to supply our needs in a timely manner and who's to say what tomorrow may bring.

[starmac]

Well I still have my muzzies, they are percussion, so caps are still required. One of these days I fully intend to have a flinter built though.

[jcwit]

Do you suppose these wonderful caring folks are paying sales tax for all this ammo they sell? Don't you need a license to be an ammunition seller? How much ammo is one allowed to sell before it becomes a business enterprise? I'd like to just curb stomp them for what they are doing, but then I'd be the bad guy...

In most, not all, but most states it's required to conduct a retail business, in Indiana this includes Flea Market Dealers.

How I know? Wife was a dealer at the Shipshewana Market Place for 20 years, and yes the state came by periodically to check for retail permits and sales tax collection. At one time they even had their own booth there.

[starmac]

I would imagine a lot of these clowns are selling the ammo through classisified sections, at least there is some advertized here, instead of flea markets, which we don't really have anyway. They would be under the radar so to speak as far as business license and taxes. I haven't bought any from them, but I would imagine it is mostly cash deals.
I know here there are a lot of people that need it, but only get to town a few times a year, that has friends try and get the limit when they can for them, but it is not for resale.
I have been to a couple of garage sales where guys were selling there old stock of ammo at very inflated prices, because of the shortage, I even passed on a nice shotgun I was looking at because of what the guy thought his 22 ammo was worth. He probably got his price though.

[jcwit]

The dealers here in Northern Indiana & Southern Michigan at Flea Markets are definitely selling ammo if it fits into their mix. Been there and have seen it as of last week and this week. As far as classified sections, this is a disappearing section of our papers, and it's outlawed on Craigslist.

[Love Life]

Good morning everybody!!!

[gsdelong]

Just a ramdom thought here but do we really want to pick and choose which parts of the gun world to be regulated by burecrats? Seems counter productive to most of our beliefs. Not trying to start an argument just trying to open eyes.

[starmac]

Well it may be outlawed on craigslist but it is there everyday of the week. We have dealers at our gunshows, and yes they have business licenses and I'm sure pay taxes too.

We have several other online classified sites that do allow guns and ammo, eilson for sale, alaskalist, big boy toys, and so on. These are free like craiglist and allow guns for sale or trade.

[Love Life]

The reason America now sucks, all ambition is killed, people are afraid to earn over a certain amount of money, and many other things is because people like the "It's not fair" people in this thread got .gov to step in and screw it all up.

I speak truth.

[starmac]

Just a ramdom thought here but do we really want to pick and choose which parts of the gun world to be regulated by burecrats? Seems counter productive to most of our beliefs. Not trying to start an argument just trying to open eyes.

Exactly, most wouldn't like it if they got there wish. I wish guys wouldn't be buying it for resale either, but as long as people buy it from them at wild prices, I at least support their right to. I may have some ammo for sale before I leave this world myself, if I don't my wife probably will after I'm gone. lol

[Love Life]

Perzactly. Everybody calm down and let the capitalists do what made this country great in the 1st place...MAKE MONEY.

They then spend that extra money on other wants, which means people need to provide/make those wants, which mean people get employed.

I really don't relish the idea of having to go to the government ammo store to buy my fair share allotment.

[jcwit]

I have no problem with anyone making a profit, this includes a Flea Dealer all the way to Wal Mart. But do it legally & with the required permits. Name me a bona fide business that uses a retail establishment to acquire their product for selling.

Estate sales whether "tag" or "auction" is an entirely different thing. Even then, usually these are even regulated, again how do I know? I was executor of my parents estate.

Love Life, who said anything about a "fair share allotment".

[Love Life]

Topaz General Store. They buy their stuff at walmart, mark it up, and sell it out here in BFE.

Next question.

Not every transaction requires you to be licensed to the neck. Your state may be different. Keep it's screwed up policies there.

Now, do I like the redonkulous prices of ammo and .22 lr some people charge right now? NO I DO NOT!! However, I just don't buy the stuff and I keep an eye out for deals. It is not my place to force regulation on them. I can call them all the names in the book, but that is it, and that is all it should be.

What you feel is right needs be separated from what IS right.

[starmac]

OK so how bout we outlaw what they are doing, that would be right up the antis alley. I do not for a minute think that is all that would be affected. If we didn't buy the inflated ammo, just how long do you guys think these guys would be standing in line to buy it all up could hold out. We can shut it down in less than a month if we WANTED too.

[Love Life]

Love Life, who said anything about a "fair share allotment".

That's what ya'll are asking for. That's what'll come if people want the sales of a want, a luxury item, a friggin hobby item (for most), regulated so everybody can get their piece of the pie.

Nobody said it outright, but it s the underlying sentiment here. "It's not fair the guys get to Walmart before I do and buy up all the ammo and then sell it for more!!"

We already have rationing (which I hate with a passion). What's next? Retail stores can jack their prices to what the scalpers are selling it for, we can require anybody who sells ammo to have an expensive license from the ATF (what ya'll want right), or only designated places can sell the stuff.

Kiss selling your ammo when you croak, when you need a few bucks, or when you sell a gun in that caliber goodbye.

Live and let live and let people do their thing. Starmac has posted the solution may times already.

[jcwit]

That's what ya'll are asking for. That's what'll come if people want the sales of a want, a luxury item, a friggin hobby item (for most), regulated.

Not asking for a regulation of ammo. A retail license is required for the sale of goods whether it be a Flea Dealer, Grocery Store, Lumber Yard, Gas Station, Dairy Queen, Micky D's, or LGS. Its part of doing business legally. You may not like it, but it is a fact of doing business legally.

You seem to be completely satisfied with the situation gun owners are now in at present.

[Love Life]

Oh, man. I better call the police and get all these yard sales and impromptu flea markets in my area shut down....

[jcwit]

anybody who sells ammo to have an expensive license from the ATF (what ya'll want right), or only designated places can sell the stuff.

Nope not hardly, just the required permits any legal business need to get. Same as getting a building permit when building your home or other structure.


Kiss selling your ammo when you croak, when you need a few bucks, or when you sell a gun in that caliber goodbye.

Not going to sell anything, and as I said the estate sale after my demise is also regulated by the state.

[Love Life]

Screw this. I'm going to go clean some brass so I can make me some money from my hard work. Then I'm going shooting. I'll be back on the forum when all the slathering, FDR loving, socialists calm down or leave.

Goodsteel-You have my email and phone number to contact me.

All-Anything I have listed for sale is no longer for sale.

Good day to all.

[jcwit]

Oh, man. I better call the police and get all these yard sales and impromptu flea markets in my area shut down....

It has happened here, my daughter lives in a town in So. Mich. that only allows 1 (one) yard sale a year and a permit to have it.

Already explained about local Flea Markets.

[starmac]

Jcwit, I submit that gun owners that buy from the ones we are talking about are the ones satisfied with the situation, or it would have already have rectified itself.
This country has regulated itself to where it is unsustainable now, we do not need anymore in my opinion.

[ben lurkin]

"The Panic" is a USA thing! My son regularly travels to Vancouver and he says that the gun shop that he has checked several times has plenty of reloading components, all at what we used to consider normal pricing.

While on vacation in Mexico I found Aguila 22lr ammo priced at about $1/box. (still not sure about the exchange rate). There was not much other ammo displayed but the owner said that he could get anything I wanted. But you could buy Cuban cigars (guaranteed to be genuine :)) on most street corners!

The countries to the North and South of us are not experiencing shortages so I don't understand why it is happening in the US.

Exactly. I was in Cabela's in Edmonton last July. Ammo prices were normal and there was a LOT of it. I did ask the counter person there. He said they have been getting their normal orders. He also mentioned he gets at least 50 calls a day from US folks about ammo but they don't ship across the boarder.

If I could have gotten it all across, I could probably have retired for what 22 ammo was going for!

[jcwit]

Jcwit, I submit that gun owners that buy from the ones we are talking about are the ones satisfied with the situation, or it would have already have rectified itself.
This country has regulated itself to where it is unsustainable now, we do not need anymore in my opinion.

Agreed but many/most of these resellers are already breaking laws already on the books. Therein is the problem. They are conducting business without the licenses or permits.

Again, name a bona fide retail business conducting the same by purchasing their merchandise from other retailers at retail pricing.

[starmac]

I do not know if a guy can buy in Canada and bring it to the U.S., but you can carry either 5 thousand or ten thousand rounds (I don't remember which) through Canada by just telling them you have it. I have never even had customs ask to look at it. You can carry much more with a business license.
If you don't tell them you have ammo and they see a lone 22 shell, you are generally in for a search, so I always have ammo. lol

[gsdelong]

I think somebody has confused a person selling some excess ammo or selling a few items out of the trunk with the shopping malls disguised as a flea market for the explicit purpose of having a permanent business and trying to fly under the wire. A lot of business buy from Various retail sources on the web and then aggregate the items to provide a one stop specialty shop. I think there are several that advertise on this site. It sounds like somebody got busted and now wants the rest of the world to feel their pain. The line between wholesale and retail is not what it used to be. After 20 plus years in the IT world the line is non existent.

[starmac]

Love life already named you one, wallmart (at least here) has items packaged up bulk for businesses.
It is possible there are some laws broken by these guys, depending on what state they are in (some still have some individual rights). What I do know is that if there is enough complaints there will be more laws and regulations, that will not be good for any of us.
Probably 99% of laws and our regulations were lobbied for and passed to stop the little man from competing from big business, I don't agree with a lot of them and ignore even more.

[jcwit]

I think somebody has confused a person selling some excess ammo or selling a few items out of the trunk with the shopping malls disguised as a flea market for the explicit purpose of having a permanent business and trying to fly under the wire. A lot of business buy from Various retail sources on the web and then aggregate the items to provide a one stop specialty shop. I think there are several that advertise on this site. It sounds like somebody got busted and now wants the rest of the world to feel their pain. The line between wholesale and retail is not what it used to be. After 20 plus years in the IT world the line is non existent.

Nope, never got busted as my wife/we had a retail license, and we collected sales tax and everything else required.

Retired 12 years ago when I came down with cancer and it took 20 minutes to pound in 1 stake for our canopy, that's 1 out of 6. Still have the retail license but haven't used it for 12 years.

[starmac]

Not all states even have sales tax, none here at least. I do have to keep a business license, because beeeg brother says to.

[jcwit]

Love life already named you one, wallmart (at least here) has items packaged up bulk for businesses.

I shop Wal-Mart weekly and have never seen this. We do have Sams Club which is owned by W/M but their pricing is not standard retail and one needs to be a member there. So it is not a true retail outlet.

[jcwit]

Not all states even have sales tax, none here at least. I do have to keep a business license, because beeeg brother says to.

Right, this was covered in my post #109.

[w0fms]

"FDR Loving"... ouch.. what an insult...

[starmac]

I have a sams club membership and have spent quite a bit of time driving back and forth between them comparing prices. Most items are priced exactly the same as wallmart.
At Sams it is just packaged in bulk where at wallmart you can buy individual items, but the prices are the same. For many things wallmart is waaaay cheaper than Sams becaiuse the Sams here at least, does not carry store brands. I have spent enough time comparing between the two on Items that I use that when my membership expires I will not renew it.

[jcwit]

I have a sams club membership and have spent quite a bit of time driving back and forth between them comparing prices. Most items are priced exactly the same as wallmart.
At Sams it is just packaged in bulk where at wallmart you can buy individual items, but the prices are the same. For many things wallmart is waaaay cheaper than Sams becaiuse the Sams here at least, does not carry store brands. I have spent enough time comparing between the two on Items that I use that when my membership expires I will not renew it.

Same reason that we let our membership drop. But Sams is advertised as a membership wholesale house.

What seems to be missing here is the realization that we were discussing one line of merchandise, AMMO, and little else. I see Flea Dealers with only AMMO as their item for sale, or possibly a few cheap pocket knives and a couple of used hunting knives. These are the folks I speak of.

Business licenses and permits are there for a reason.

Need for more? No

Obey whats there? Yes

[abqcaster]

From a business owner's standpoint, rationing makes perfect sense. If you sell all your ammo to one guy, no body else is going to come in for ammo or stick around to buy anything else. You'll lose a lot of customer loyalty and good faith. You'll either be actively labelled as playing favorites, or you'll get a passive reputation of never having inventory. Folks like Walmart will never have either of those things happen. They're too big for anyone to believe they're playing favorites with a single customer, and they're too big for people to believe its their fault for not having inventory. But a small business makes its long term living off of relationships and good faith. So, they HAVE to keep everybody happy and that means rationing. I will support that because it means my local gun store gives a hoot whether I can go shooting this weekend as much as the next guy. So, I will come into his store and get some ammo and a few other things, and I don't have to stand in line at O-dark-thirty to watch one guy buy the whole shipment (another bad mental association a retailer doesn't want his customers to have to make). How many times are you going to visit a store that never has what you want and make you sacrifice your time for nothing? Does that mean that not rationing should be illegal? No but, some sellers have to remember that capitalism is a 2-way street. Some customers need to realize that too; don't like a price don't pay it; don't like a business practice don't encourage it.

[starmac]

Wallmart here rations ammo, at least 22 ammo, one box, be it 50 rounds or a brick, I just refuse to pay their price.

[abqcaster]

Wallmart here rations ammo, at least 22 ammo, one box, be it 50 rounds or a brick, I just refuse to pay their price.

There ya go... More of us need to do that if we want lower prices...

The Walmart here still has its pre-panic price tags up, but no inventory. I had suspected they were waiting for prices to come down too, to replenish inventory, since they've only raised their prices a few cents as opposed to gun shops.

[abqcaster]

The Walmart here, by the way, still seems to have decent supply of common calibers at near-pre-panic prices. Even after the DC naval shootings.

[starmac]

LOL wallmart here has most common calibers, but not at pre panic prices, the lgs actually has better prices when they have it. It must be a manager or district thing.

[Four-Sixty]

I understand it feels like a long time, but if these producers can sell everything they make, they are going to keep on making it. These hoarders have got to fill up their shelves eventually.

When new production comes on line, and the 22LR gathers dust on the shelf a year from now I'll be grinning.

[Love Life]

Because I Earned Money

Because I earned money, other people are making money.

Because I earned money, a gunsmith is making money building me a long range rifle.
Because I earned money, a leather worker is making money building me holsters.
Because I earned money, McMillan, FN USA, and Steiner made money.
Because I earned money, Sierra, Hornady, Hogdon, Alliant, and Norma made money.
Because I earned money, Dillon Precision, Match prep.com, and CH4D made money.
Because I earned money, Carhartt, levi’s, and numerous retail stores made money.
Because I earned money, my church is making money.
Because I earned money, my grocery store is making money.
Because I earned money, a man I sold a large amount of brass to is making money.
Because I earned money, the donut shop is making money.
Because I earned money, my state collects more sales tax from stuff I buy and sell in state.

Because I made money, all the above now have money to spend. Whether they reinvest it by employing people, buying new equipment, expanding, or buying cool stuff is irrelevant. They made money because I made money. Other people will make money because they made money.

Stop me from earning money from over regulation and moving to a socialist market (kind of an oxymoron), and none of them would have made money from me, and now none of the entities they buy from will make money from them.

Now extrapolate that to include everybody who is making money, and spending money. Push them out, shut them down, and they stop making money. Now everybody stops making money.

We were built on capitalism. We became great through capitalism. The downslide of the nation, loss of manufacturing and jobs to moving overseas, and the loss of profit/income all coincide with the implementation of stifling regulation and taxes.

My generation hasn’t been voting long enough to screw the country up so bad. We do not want the advice or ideals of the older people who actively (if you did not actively support the aforementioned please exclude yourself from my broad generalization) pushed/allowed the current money making (stifling is the word) business environment to be spawned from the depths of hell.

We want people to mind their own business and let us make money so we can keep this country going (allow it to kick the can a bit longer). We are tired of talking about what the dream used to be. Leave us alone and let us bring the dream back.

Now I’m leaving.

[mroliver77]

Nothing against you or your views but I will bet you $3. something else happens and we will not see it back to "normal again. I would really hope to lose the bet too! ;)
J


I understand it feels like a long time, but if these producers can sell everything they make, they are going to keep on making it. These hoarders have got to fill up their shelves eventually.

When new production comes on line, and the 22LR gathers dust on the shelf a year from now I'll be grinning.

[starmac]

Nothing against you or your views but I will bet you $3. something else happens and we will not see it back to "normal again. I would really hope to lose the bet too! ;)
J
I hope you lose that bet too. lol We have a few lgs that have products at pre panic NOW when they have something to sell, so I'm thinking it will return eventually when people have enough hoarded. We have a lot of new comers that have just started hoarding since this round started, they will eventually be stocked up enough to suit them, and many of them will never even use their stock, or even a small percentage of it, and it I feel like much of it will eventually be on the market too.
one of our lgs has a shelf ful of powder (only a couple of flavors) at 24 dollars a pound. This price is as cheap or cheaper than it was commonly available here before this mess started.

[jcwit]

My generation hasn’t been voting long enough to screw the country up so bad. We do not want the advice or ideals of the older people who actively (if you did not actively support the aforementioned please exclude yourself from my broad generalization) pushed/allowed the current money making (stifling is the word) business environment to be spawned from the depths of hell.

We want people to mind their own business and let us make money so we can keep this country going (allow it to kick the can a bit longer). We are tired of talking about what the dream used to be. Leave us alone and let us bring the dream back.

Now I’m leaving.

Not positive about your age, is this not the same generation where its all about Me, Me, Me?

The same generation that will line up around the block to buy the next new phone?

The same generation that overwhelming voted for zero?

The same generation that has been molded by the liberal public schools?

The same generation that pursues a Retired General on the way to teach a class?

I could go on but I've got to go.

Remember with age comes not only experience but wisdom.

[Love Life]

Not positive about your age, is this not the same generation where its all about Me, Me, Me?

Who gave birth to and raised that generation? From where did this generation get it's ideals. The mirror will show you.


The same generation that will line up around the block to buy the next new phone?

If they have the time and money to, then who cares? They are buying something which will provide jobs and disposable income for others.

The same generation that overwhelming voted for zero?

Based off of what research. There are plenty, and I mean PLENTY, of older Dems/diptards who funded his campaigns and voted him in.

The same generation that has been molded by the liberal public schools?

Yeah, and that generation allowed the Department of Education to be created. Oh, wait. They weren't born yet. They are the product of the machine that was allowed to be created. We didn't allow the slow progressive change of our country. We are the receivers of that. Thanks.

The same generation that pursues a Retired General on the way to teach a class?

The whole generation did? The millions of my generation did? A pale comparison compared to how the earlier generation treated our Vietnam vets



I could go on but I've got to go.

I bet. Somebody has to go police the flea market

Remember with age comes not only experience but wisdom.

Perhaps at some point in our history. Perhaps, but current medical science and miracles have allowed plenty of mouth breathers to live to a ripe old age


Replies in red.

[starmac]

Wisdom is not a guaranteed byproduct of age. lol

This problem was started way before my generation and I'm in my fifties, every generation wanted a softer life than the one before it, it has about turned to jello.

[starmac]

Most of those people would find jobs, the survival instinct is hopefully not been bred out of people yet. Some would turn to crime, but as always it would be a short lived occupation.

[jcwit]

Replies in red.

Very cool, no way to paste and copy, but I'll do my best, it will just take longer, I'm retired and have the time.

[jcwit]

The same generation that overwhelming voted for zero?

Based off of what research. There are plenty, and I mean PLENTY, of older Dems/diptards who funded his campaigns and voted him in.



Here you go

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/how_obama_won_and_lost_the_youth_vote.html
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/romney-blames-loss-on-obamas-gifts-to-minorities-and-young-voters/?_r=0
http://chronicle.com/article/Defying-Expectations-Half-of/135620/
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/07/preliminary-tallies-without-youth-vote-obama-would-have-lost-election

Want more, try google.

[jcwit]

Not positive about your age, is this not the same generation where its all about Me, Me, Me?

Who gave birth to and raised that generation? From where did this generation get it's ideals. The mirror will show you.



It is obvious that same parents have failed.

[jcwit]

I could go on but I've got to go.

I bet. Somebody has to go police the flea market


Nope! Closed today.

[jcwit]

The same generation that pursues a Retired General on the way to teach a class?

The whole generation did? The millions of my generation did? A pale comparison compared to how the earlier generation treated our Vietnam vets



Ya, I know all about that, as I'm a Viet Nam era Vet. Did not serve in combat, but did not run to Canada either, only went to where the orders sent me. Have never claimed to be a combat vet.

[jcwit]

The same generation that will line up around the block to buy the next new phone?

If they have the time and money to, then who cares? They are buying something which will provide jobs and disposable income for others.



For the Chinese maker.

[jcwit]

The same generation that has been molded by the liberal public schools?

Yeah, and that generation allowed the Department of Education to be created. Oh, wait. They weren't born yet. They are the product of the machine that was allowed to be created. We didn't allow the slow progressive change of our country. We are the receivers of that. Thanks.



Now that one I have no comment on. But maybe, just maybe with the demise of the teachers unions this to may change.

[Garyshome]

What are you all Hijacking this thread for? My local gun shop has ammo [priced a little high], primers,powder,cast,plated,j-words, most all calibers, Shotgun reloading stuff, presses, dies,shell plates and more.....
The als have one of those really new kel-tec shotguns, priced kind of HIGH though.

Photo removed by Staff as it is Bogus .

[jcwit]

Remember with age comes not only experience but wisdom.

Perhaps at some point in our history. Perhaps, but current medical science and miracles have allowed plenty of mouth breathers to live to a ripe old age

Praise the Lord for the advances in medical science. Some day you too may need it and take advantage of it. Its even possible you're already doing it, I have no idea. Or maybe its your parents.





Oh, BYW, all replies are in Black and White.

[starmac]

I never look at the shotgun reloading supplies, but sportsmans has never run low on shotgun ammo of any kind (I don't think) there has all through this scare been an area probably 30 feet long by five foot wide stack of it.

Reloading supplies are still kind of scarce, but their ammo shelves (excluding rimfire) is pretty stocked up. I only look at hunting type ammo, but most popular and even fairly rare calibers are on the shelves (300 savage and 35 rem) for sure in more than one brand. And this is at the close of hunting season.

[mroliver77]

My ignore list grows!

[Alvarez Kelly]

My ignore list grows!

Yep. I'm beginning to think it's his goal...

[WallyM3]

Ever heard the one about...oh, sorry....

[Swamp Man]

What the heck happened to this thread since 12.46am yesterday?

[jcwit]

What the heck happened to this thread since 12.46am yesterday?

Got into a heated discussion regarding doing business in a legal matter, or just going into business without required permits and/or licenses that are already in place. In other words basically operating under the table.

I happen to believe in operating within the laws on the books, & if one does not like the law then work to get it changed, not just ignore it. Others do not seem to share this view, and seem to wish to proceed how ever they wish, legal or not.

[starmac]

LOL One thing is for sure, if I wake up and leave the house in the morning, I'm quite sure I will break at least one law. lol

[Swamp Man]

Starmac one can't help but to break laws with the thousands and thousands they place on us. LOL

[Swamp Man]

Got into a heated discussion regarding doing business in a legal matter, or just going into business without required permits and/or licenses that are already in place. In other words basically operating under the table.

I happen to believe in operating within the laws on the books, & if one does not like the law then work to get it changed, not just ignore it. Others do not seem to share this view, and seem to wish to proceed how ever they wish, legal or not.

Oh I see. Carry on.

[jcwit]

LOL One thing is for sure, if I wake up and leave the house in the morning, I'm quite sure I will break at least one law. lol

This is true, we all do, but doing it intentionally it totally different.

Example: Say you use some ones pen to sign a document and happen to place it in your pocket and leave with it, is that considered breaking the 8th or 7th Commandment "depending on ones religion which #", I would say not even tho it was taken.

Now then, say someone offers you a pen to sign a document and you take it thinking to yourself, "I'm going to keep this pen." would that not be stealing? I would think so.

In the example we are only using a pen, but who puts the value on said pen? Is it not possible it may be some ones heirloom pen from their family or maybe a Visconti Summit Nato fountain pen retailing in the neighborhood of $750.00?

Don't you see, ones intent or lack thereof changes the whole picture.

[waynem34]

Scored 2 box's of cci stingers at wallys yesterday for $6.47 each.They had about 20 box's of the cci stingers and some maxi mags.Another big box store across the parking lot had about 60 bulk federal packs for $20.I didnt see them but a fellow at wallys told me about them.I told all my friends though.I doubt they are any left now.Maybe things will perk up.

[starmac]

Don't you see, ones intent or lack thereof changes the whole picture.
Would I be an evil person, if I told you I intend to break a law today, tomorrow, and most days after that. There are some I just don't comply with, at least one.

[starmac]

I once took 42 fish across the hard to see yellow line in the center of the trinity river, which happened to be the county line with different fish and game laws. It turned out those fish were worth 212 dollars a piece to the judge. I asked how we were suppose to keep up with bogus laws like that. His answer was we couldn't. lol

He was a sport and only fined me for one fish though. Him and the game warden cleaned the fish and had a fish fry on me though. lol
Did I ever break that law again?? I am sure I did as the center line was difficult to see.

[jcwit]

I once took 42 fish across the hard to see yellow line in the center of the trinity river, which happened to be the county line with different fish and game laws. It turned out those fish were worth 212 dollars a piece to the judge. I asked how we were suppose to keep up with bogus laws like that. His answer was we couldn't. lol

He was a sport and only fined me for one fish though. Him and the game warden cleaned the fish and had a fish fry on me though. lol
Did I ever break that law again?? I am sure I did as the center line was difficult to see.

Seems as if the intent was not there.

[starmac]

Seems as if the intent was not there.
The first time. lol
Well the intent to get caught was not there for sure. lol

[375supermag]

Speaking of the "panic"...

Gander Mtn here in not-so-beautiful York,Pa. ran an advertisement in the local paper offering 525rd bulk packs of Remington .22LR for $24.99 (IIRC).

Since I didn't have anything better to do, after breakfast my wife and I drove over to see about a brick or two.
They were sold out and did not have a single .22LR cartridge in the store.

I did manage to buy a bulk pack of 500rds of CCI .22LR for $29.99 at an LGS (Trop Gun Shop in E-Town,Pa.) later in the afternoon.

They had quite a few plus a large number of 50ct boxes of various manufacturers .22LR.

I only bought the one bulk pack. I have several thousand rounds stashed away, but thought a few more couldn't hurt. Squirrel season opens in a few weeks and my son will be doing some serious practicing with his .22 lever gun in the next couple of weeks.

[Bzcraig]

Some powders and primers are starting to show up at LGS finally. Bought some Trail Boss but still waiting on 4198.

[starmac]

It must be slowing down a little.

http://fairbanks.craigslist.org/spo/4097672407.html

[shaper]

Went to a gun show yesterday, It was like a gost town. Wanted to buy a can of 7.62x54r. Found only two venders with a partial can. One vender had a box of 500 for $350. Finally found one vender that said he had a box at home. My son n law picked it up today. Now, about that slowing down thing?

[Blacksmith]

Everyone is looking for Walmart's shelves to be full. I think that is a long way down the road. Before the panic the big box stores had a reputation of bullying their vendors to drive prices down on various goods which even drove some manufacturing offshore. Now you have the panic and every ammunition manufacturer is working 24/7 and can sell every last cartridge they make with wholesalers and retail stores standing in line to get whatever they can at the manufacturers normal price. Whose orders do you think the manufacturers will fill first?

[Dale in Louisiana]

Went to a gun show yesterday, It was like a gost town. Wanted to buy a can of 7.62x54r. Found only two venders with a partial can. One vender had a box of 500 for $350. Finally found one vender that said he had a box at home. My son n law picked it up today. Now, about that slowing down thing?

Widener's sells 7.62x54R by the can. 880 rounds for $170 plus shipping.

Got a couple of cases sitting at the house.

dale in Louisiana

[jcwit]

Everyone is looking for Walmart's shelves to be full. I think that is a long way down the road. Before the panic the big box stores had a reputation of bullying their vendors to drive prices down on various goods which even drove some manufacturing offshore. Now you have the panic and every ammunition manufacturer is working 24/7 and can sell every last cartridge they make with wholesalers and retail stores standing in line to get whatever they can at the manufacturers normal price. Whose orders do you think the manufacturers will fill first?

Good point.

[starmac]

Wallmart is getting it in here. Maybe not as much as they would like. It seems like most rimfire is bought right off the pallet and never hits the shelf. That is with a one brick limit.

[starmac]

LOL I had forgot about that law, but you are right.

[AlaskanGuy]

As promised,

I went to town yesterday, and virtually went to every single gun shop in anchorage Alaska and in the surrounding towns within a 90 mile radius..... Took me 2days, but i managed to fill my bow hardcase.... Take a peek....

83387

Alaskanguy

[starmac]

Good thing you went to anchorage and not fairbanks. lol I may be going down in about 10 more days.

[daheffalump]

Went to SW earlier today. They had anything you need for shotshell reloading. At least 10k primers and powder, lead, anything. Was looking for small pistol or small rifle primers, the shelves were bare. Didn't see any rimfire at all. Just found out there is a fun show this weekend I'm going to try to catch. If not guess its online, there is a local online only that has primers and powder avail. Just not looking forward to paying $50 for shipping.

[starmac]

I went to wallmart this evening. I didn't see any rimfire, but there was a pretty good selection of rifle ammo. I did notice the turntable they keep AR's in was completely full.
Windhams, bushmaster were 749 and 747, colts and rugers were higher, there were a few mini 14's in the rack at 749 too.

[AlaskanGuy]

While on my powder quest, i found a lot of primers of all types... Mostly in folks garages, but did manage to get about 10 thousand or so of mixed varity.. But i also found something else in a junk store just outside of palmer.... Here is a pic....83503 ....

I consider it a real score, so now i don't have to try and tip the cast fry pan.. I can switch to a Dutch oven and dip my raw lead.. Was gunna use a stainless ladle, but this will work far better... I will wrap the handle with a couple strips of wood, and some tar twine that we use for net construction... Should work great

[starmac]

Sportsmans here did actually have some primers left on the shelf (besides 50 bmg). All they had left when I was there was small pistol magnum and 209's, but it was an improvement. lol

[Ohio Rusty]

I haven't found anything I've wanted or was a decent price for a long time. I have though in the last week ordered twice from Midway the 7.62 softpoint ammo I have been hoping to find. They had it in stock and I was allowed 5 boxes at an order. That is now 200 rounds I have now been able to buy and put away for future use.
Happy to have them. Last week on armslist I found a dealer in Pueblo Colo. that had 4 bags of the remington .38/.357 125 gr. jhp's. He put all 4 bags in a small flat rate box and sent them. Now I have the bullet components I've wanted that have been dried up. That dealer put them in a small flat rate box and sent the bags for $5.80. I appreciate that. Natchez wanted to charge me more than $30 shipping for the same order a month ago !! Natchez sent me a letter full of BS why they couldn't do what that dealer in Colo. did. Natchez can go the way of CheaperthanDirt as far as I'm concerned.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[DRNurse1]

Wallmart is getting it in here. Maybe not as much as they would like. It seems like most rimfire is bought right off the pallet and never hits the shelf. That is with a one brick limit.

I agree the scare will be over when the purchase limits are lifted. Around here there is a 3 box limit @ Wally World. I tried to convince them that 3 bricks=the 3 box limit...No Joy.

[AlaskanGuy]

That is the reason i got into casting in the first place... Been reloading for many many years, but got into casting when the shortage hit... Now, i wont ever buy another bullet ... I just love the casting... Brings the reloading thing to a whole new level... And i love it....

On a side note.. It did find some tiny j word bullets that i can use in my 22 jet till i get a mold that puts out a 40 grain boolit... The bullets were in the original box and look to be real old... Possible around the 60's...83508

Kinda hated to open the box and use the them, but i am gunna.

[dragon813gt]

Was at the Cabela's in Hamburg PA this morning. Powder was limited but they did have plenty of H110 and W748 on the shelf. I haven't seen W748 in awhile and if I didn't have two jugs I would have purchased some. A lot of CCI primers priced at $29.99. If it wasn't for the stupid two brick limit I would have walked out with about 40k or various sizes. Would have cost me around $100 more than at PV but I would have had them in hand. The cost difference might be even less depending on how many primers per hazmat fee and actual shipping costs.

Plenty of bullets and brass. A plethora of shotgun ammo. I didn't bother walking down the ammo isles. It was shoulder to shoulder and as usual the tourists were being really rude. I guess I'm spoiled because it's only a short drive for me.

But they didn't have a pair of zip up gaiters which is what I went there for. I'm not paying $130 for a Sitka pair that don't zip on. I already have a pair that I put on before my boots. And boy are hunting clothes over priced. If the quality was there I would pay. But they're all junk.

[starmac]

We weren't seeing primers at 29.99 even before this mess started. The winchester primers that sportsman had a couple days ago were priced at 41.99.

[TXGunNut]

Name me a bona fide business that uses a retail establishment to acquire their product for selling.-jcwit

I was in Denny's the other night, their produce vendor brought in some substandard mushrooms and told the manager she had no choice. She sent someone to the grocery store to pay retail for a commodity that met her standards. Off-topic but proves the point; folks will pay the price to get something they need.

[dragon813gt]

We weren't seeing primers at 29.99 even before this mess started. The winchester primers that sportsman had a couple days ago were priced at 41.99.

Winchester primers were around $33 I think and Remington's were $36. Plenty of Winchester but Remingtons were sparse. I didn't see any Federals but I wasn't looking for them either. I was just happy to see them there in quantity. They really need to lift the purchase limits at this point. I usually buy primers at a minimum of 5k a shot. The limits are cramping my style ;)

[jcwit]

Name me a bona fide business that uses a retail establishment to acquire their product for selling.-jcwit

I was in Denny's the other night, their produce vendor brought in some substandard mushrooms and told the manager she had no choice. She sent someone to the grocery store to pay retail for a commodity that met her standards. Off-topic but proves the point; folks will pay the price to get something they need.

Generally not.

You ever been a procurement officer for a large company? I have, and yes I know all about dealing with shortages from the steel strikes and gas shortages back in the 60's & 70's. We shipped RV's short various parts & products rather than pay the extra from those who would gouge us. No, we were not a small RV manufacturer either, at the time we were the largest, and they are still in the top 10.

[snuffy]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'll add what I saw yesterday at the Appleton Sheels. There were a lot of primers, several brands, all sizes. I didn't ask if there was a limit, I wasn't shopping for any, just "in the area". I have all I need. Lots of bullets as well, Hornady jaxeted, and a huge shelf of 9mm, 40's, and 45 in 250 count boxes from Berry's. Didn't see any signs saying there was a limit. Prices on par with what's reality these days, $27.95/k for small pistol primers, 28 bucks/250 for the berry's plated. Powder looked like there was a bunch, they simply display empty bottles, they go get full ones from in back, again, I didn't ask for any, have plenty.

.223 ammo, lots of it, bulk packs and 20 rnd. boxes of soft points. Didn't go look up loaded handgun ammo, no interest in it.

The local Oshkosh fleet farm has loading stuff now, including powder and primers. I bought 1k of Federal small pistol match primers. $4.19/100 X 10, $41.90. No price per 1k, checkout had to scan one pack 10 times! They're also getting more loading equipment in all the time.

[starmac]

Sportsmans actually had some powder today. I picked up a pound each of 2400 and 4759, and they had a few other choices. Limited to two one pound containers per person.

[unclogum bill]

Did a stop in at Cabellas in Lacey Washington yesterday . My list was some 3031, RX7. Unique, ffg amd large pistol primers. WE have no reloading powder say's the guy. The primers they had , 5 bucks per 100.

[remy3424]

Got a txt from my cousin that he thinks he has 50 brick of 22LR coming to his new little store...the product is coming, guys are just snapping it up as it comes in. Some guys will be buying all they are allowed for ...... a long time. Not sure why so many guys got caught with there pants down that shot many 22LR rounds and didn't have several bricks on hand from the days of sale prices before all this **** strarted.

[Swamp Man]

Saw this from another topic:


I agree 100%. 22LR is as important today as ball, flask and powder was 160 years ago. It is the foundation of shooting.

Sooner or later the firearms makers are going to be in the lurch because their 22LR guns are not selling anymore. Who wants them when there is no affordable-available ammo? That was always the big selling point.
The gun sells should start to show a loss soon. I know of a dozen people that put 22lr rifles buys on hold due to ammo shortage. I'm still not buying the story from the ammo makers on why there is a shortage of 22lr. Because they have had more then enough time to ramp up production and I haven't seen any changes at all.

[dragon813gt]

There is no shortage in other countries. Even one as close as our northern border. So what is the real reason? I doubt we will ever know.

[starmac]

THE REAL REASON is people are buying it faster than it can be built. I know for a fact sportsmans filled the shelves with 22 ammo tuesday at app 10 or 11 ocklock. A couple of years ago this was probably a 6 month stock of 22 ammo. I went back wed morning just out of curiosity and all bricks were gone. This was with a 1 brick limit and there was no line of people waiting for it to be stocked. At the very least this would have been a one month order, but it disappeared in a matter of hours.

[jcwit]

Does not a large portion of ammo in other countries come from the U.S.?

Mainly the name brand ammo? If so, then are the ammo factories supplying them and not us?

[starmac]

I would imagine they are trying to serve all their customers, and probably are supplying most of them as much or more than they used to order. The other countries are not (at the present time) afraid of what the govt is going to doo to future ammo and gun sales, so their population is still buying in the amounts that they always have, and that leaves ammo on the shelves.

[jcwit]

If the manufactures can't fix the problem in 12 months Lord help us if anything similar happens to the food industry.

[starmac]

LOL Close just about any highway for three days and go to the grocery store on the fourth, and see what is on the shelves.

[jcwit]

Probably, I've/we've done the same with food as I did with ammo. Two large chest freezers full and the cold cellar is full of stuff to eat. Plenty for just the 2 of us. Thing is I don't buy it to hoard, I just stock when on sale, same as I did with ammo.

[Swamp Man]

People wake up and see the writing on the wall. This whole U.S. ammo shortage is part of a huge marketing plan to drive up prices. Go to any retailer and check prices now compared to last falls prices. The proof is right there in front of your face. The ammo and reloading supply makers seen panic buying start last fall and they seen dollar signs that's why this shortage has gone on for so long.

[starmac]

I do the same with food and always have, we used to raise most of our own, but don't anymore.

I probably have more ammo now than at anytime in my life. I was caught low on ammo in the 08 shortage and decided that would never happen again. The way I use it I am covered as far a rimfire goes for probably the rest of my life, but have a three year old grandson that will just be getting started in another year or so, so I will by more when it comes available.

[DRNurse1]

^^^^^^ Agreed. I check prices more than purchase right now, and at $20 for 50 rounds I am still looking....

[375supermag]

Hi...

I went on a LGS run this past Saturday with my son.

Most stuff was available...at one shop or another. Some calibers of rifle ammunition were not to be found.
22LR was readily available at somewhat better prices than recently. The daily limit was raised to 3 bricks per customer.
22Mag is still really expensive...I will wait until the price moderates. Could not find 303British for my SMLE.

Primers were readily available...powders were hit and miss. Some shops had plenty of one brand...practically nothing of another brand. New handgun brass is very hard to find unless it is something like .454Casull or .500S&W. I did see some .445SuperMag brass at one shop...didn't notice if it was new or used.

Very nearly pulled the trigger on a couple of used handgun deals. I have new toy syndrome real bad right now.
I almost bought a used BlackHawk in .30Carbine at one shop. I checked for dies before I made the decision...they didn't have any. Another shop had a used BlackHawk in .357Mag(stainless)...I need another .357Mag like a leaky boat needs another hole, but it looked unfired. If it had been a .45Colt, I would have bought it.

My son is only 19, so he can't buy a handgun yet, but he was politicking for a Beretta 92 in 9mm. I don't need one, but he knows he will inherit it some day. I suppose I will eventually buy one just so he is happy. I don't really know what I might do with it...maybe use it as a paper weight or load it up with Hornady HP/XTPs in case we get a real bad stink bug infestation.

I did notice that there were some decent deals on used rifles and shotguns to be had at some of the shops.

[Love Life]

There is a 30 carbine for sale in the S&S forum for what I think is a very decent price.

Beretta 92's suck. Introduce your son to the Hi-Power...

[texassako]

Funny thing the other day was a new Walmart opened down the street from us and almost all the ammo was sold out a day or so later. They had people on opening day when the doors opened to get the .22 ammo according to the sporting goods counter guy. The Walmart in town has most of the case full except for .22, but pretty much most handgun and deer hunting calibers. I think most people have just given up looking but will still rush to a known supply, or in this case a brand new store with a full case.

[Beagle333]

and "heads up" for anybody looking for .45-70 brass..... Starline is in stock at Midway tonight.

[TXGunNut]

My LGS ordered six pounds of powder for me Saturday, his supplier had quite a bit on hand. I'm running a little low on four powders and they had three out of four in the warehouse. LGS even had 8-10K primers, just not my preferred type. Cabelas had some IMR 4895, has wanting to try H4895 but close enough for today, even scored a K of 9 1/2's.
This thing lasted longer than I thought it would, guess I could have gotten buy for another six months or so. I guess my new minimum stocking level should be a 24 month supply.

[Rex]

Cabela's in Kearney,Ne. had primers of all sizes last Friday. Standard for $40, and some small rifle bench rest for $65. A fair selection of powder. I didn't need anything that bad.

[sljacob]

While down in Ogden Utah today I stopped by the Sportsmans Warehouse, they had very little powder, none of the more popular stuff, a few win primers, no .22lr.
I was talking to the guy behind the gun counter and he was telling me they have ordered and received more
.22lr than they ever had but it is sold as soon as it comes in. It makes me think that the manufactures are producing all they can just as they say they are, but the hoarders are still causing the .22lr shortage.