Powder Coating and Accuracy ??

[Wayne S]

Seen lots and lots of pictures of various colored bullets, pictures of how to's, ect. What I haven't seen are pictures of groups shot past 50 yds.
To paraphrase and old saying Only accurate bullets are interesting

[btroj]

I am tempted to send some bullets to someone who is coating bullets to see what I can do with them.
Anyone willing to coat some bullets for me? I can size them after coating as I plan to try some for my 375 H&H.

Anyone?

[geargnasher]

Two members have recently started shooting them in their .308s, one in a rifle and the other with a belt-fed SA machine gun, the first reports on function, barrel condition, and group size at 100 yards at higher-than-normal cast velocity look very promising.

Gear

[btroj]

That is what I want to investigate. The idea of a 265 gr cast at 2400 plus entices me. I have tried with "old school" lubes to no avail.

I want to see if the coating increases the ability of the bullet to hold the lands at speed. Is it more a coating like a copper plating? I think calling it a lube is wrong, it is more than that.

[500MAG]

I should be receiving my powder coat gun from HF on Tuesday. Would be glad to coat some up for you.

[btroj]

Thanks. I would also like to try some with the coating from Bayou bullets for comparison.

This coating thing intrigues me. Not enough to jump in yet but enough to make me want to investigate it further.

[500MAG]

I did purchase some of that VHT epoxy but haven't done anything with it yet. Once I checked out the powder coating I lost interest in the epoxy.

[geargnasher]

I think "polymer jacket" would be an appropriate term for epoxy or PC'd boolits. These coatings do the same thing any jacket does, the provide a protective, cushioning, sealing barrier between boolit and barrel. It seems most people are doing the traditional sizing to larger than groove dimension on the driving bands, not sure if PC/epoxy is as robust as a copper jacket that can withstand the blowby and indeed needs to be right at groove diameter for pressure reasons. I'll bet that PC splits the difference in the way it works between copper and paper jackets.

Gear

[500MAG]

I think "polymer jacket" would be an appropriate term for epoxy or PC'd boolits. These coatings do the same thing any jacket does, the provide a protective, cushioning, sealing barrier between boolit and barrel. It seems most people are doing the traditional sizing to larger than groove dimension on the driving bands, not sure if PC/epoxy is as robust as a copper jacket that can withstand the blowby and indeed needs to be right at groove diameter for pressure reasons. I'll bet that PC splits the difference in the way it works between copper and paper jackets.

Gear
I was unable to find any info on any of the epoxy paints or The coating from Bayou on rifle boolits. I may be wrong. That's why I decided to put my efforts into powder coating. Have you seen any other info on those?

[geargnasher]

I haven't done much studying on it. I think most of these coatings end up doing the same thing, just some probably more precisely than others. I would definitely pursue the PC technique as you have if I were to attempt this for precision rifle boolits.

Gear

[Skip62]

I haven't done much studying on it. I think most of these coatings end up doing the same thing, just some probably more precisely than others. I would definitely pursue the PC technique as you have if I were to attempt this for precision rifle boolits.

Gear

Well, based on looks I would agree with you, but another guy shot some groups and had better groups with KK, then he did the electrostatic spray. Not that his groups are definitive by any means.

[bayjoe]

This is my results80710
Shot out of a Rem 700 caliber 308
Lee 170-309 Water dropped, powder coated, lubed with Blue Angel and gas check
Bullet weighs 175.5 grains dropped
Nothing special on lead alloy - 50/50 range scrap/Wheel Weights
I let them age 6 weeks to harden then I resized, lubed and GC. Sized to .311
Powder - 35 grs. of Win 748
Primer -Standard CCI large Rifle
Over all Length - 2.470
Powder coat -Harbor Freight yellow
Barrel was clean, group shot mid day 95 degree temperature
Flyer was without a doubt me.
Group shot off bench, distance 100 yards.

[bayjoe]

The bullets weigh 180 grs. Powder coated with Gas Check and Lube80713

[williamwaco]

I ran into a shooter at the range the other day with about 200 of them he was "shooting up".

They were coated with Hi-Tech coating and were very ugly - until he started shooting.

He put about 20 into a 25 yard group you could cover with a quarter.

Pretty is - as pretty does.

(Optical sight - Revolver)

You don't need to worry about accuracy.

He said he bought it from a member of this board but I can't find it in the Vendor's category.

[Jailer]

bayjoe if you are powder coating why are you lubging them as well?

[bayjoe]

I lubed the bullets because the lube was in the press. I have no other reason for lubing them

[fcvan]

Alas, I haven't launched any powder coted boolits from the 03-A3 yet, but will be doing so shortly. I've only been using flat black from HF and am now convinced 'black is beautiful.' I'd really like to get some copper colored powder but draw the line at 16 bucks a pound. If I find a better source I might buy some. For now, black is working just fine.

[bayjoe]

I was out at Dragon Man's yesterday. It sure was hot!!

[popper]

Wayne - so far testing in LR-308 carbine (18" 1:10), yes they are as accurate as my normal lube. The alloy has to be up to the task. I'm not talking pansy loads. A 165 fn, GC, PC @ 2240 = 1" @ 50. 39 gr of H335 in mixed Win/Rem brass. Then I tried 41 gr in LC cases. Groups opened up appreciably @ 100, primers still OK but that is STOUT, Full Hodgdon jacketed load in mil case. Oh, no leading, clean bbl. Cast & coated some with higher Sb I want to test this week. I'll also drop back to ~38 gr and test @ 100. Got to turn down the gas and work on handling that much recoil. It's about the same as a full power heavy load in a lever gun. I posted some target results in the other threads.

[Mr Humble]

Lots of words but NO pictures. Wanna see groups ON PAPER with ALL details.

[tzzler44]

If you want to send me some of your cast bullets I'd be more than happy to PC them and send them back to you so you can test for yourself. What do you have to lose?

[Mr Humble]

Addressed to whom ? I'm PCing with decent results in handguns ..... rifles, not so good.

[popper]

An old thread, coated accuracy > 1800 fps. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?220557-Real-Accuracy-(2-moa-or-less)-with-Coated-Rifle-Bullets-at-1800-fps-or-greater

[tzzler44]

Humble, I'll PM you

[Loudy13]

Not sure about group size but have been ringing the Steel gong at 300 yards with coated 150gr NOE cast bullets with a GC in 300 BO. The same rounds in my .06 rings it also. Barrels are clean and the shooting is cheap!!

[Sur-shot]

Seen lots and lots of pictures of various colored bullets, pictures of how to's, ect. What I haven't seen are pictures of groups shot past 50 yds.
To paraphrase and old saying Only accurate bullets are interesting

Wayne, This is what I have been playing with for a year or so. How much detail you want..... This is a McGowan 1-20 twist .357 barrel shooting NOE copies of the plain base RCBS 200 GR FP Silhouette bullet, what else for me, this is a fireform load of 34gr of 1680 in converted Fed 6.8 SPC case that produces a close brother to a 357 Herrett in a 16 inch AR-15. The bullet is PCed then run through a .358 Lee push through die using RCBS case lube. The shoulder is a tad moved forward for 39 gr H2O capacity. Mike at MGP Custom sold me the barrel and dies, I built the rifle. It will print .5 all day long and .3 on a good day for me, at 100. It will also pull right a 2,400 fps with an adjustable gas block and hold 10 rounds in a 10 round 6.8 mag. The 30 rounds was fireforming at 100 when I noticed it was making one hole then took the last three and shot the lower right of the square next to the first one, producing the .5 inch group.

I figure it will put a 1989 F-150 in the ditch smoking, so it makes a nice Truck Gun for NW FL. :-) Oh, I have a 1-12 twist sub gun that I have built with night sights and a can. Neighbor at the farm in Paxton just told me he has hog sign out behind his house. So, let it get cold and we will be making sausage......

You still hobbling around Bagdad? I just had heart surgery and am a couple of days out of the horse-pistol.
Ed

[Yodogsandman]

What caliber? 357 Maximum? Looks impressive!

[popper]

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/popper29/TgtGfx37_zpsva9vjp0f.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/popper29/media/TgtGfx37_zpsva9vjp0f.jpg.html)
145gr FP PB 100yds, 2100fps, ESPCd. 300BO AR 18" 1:10 McGowan barrel, isocore with Cu & heat treated after coating. I was playing with sprue cutting time on this casting sessions so I found the bases weren't exactly flat.
175569 Upper right - 185gr FP GC MG 336 30/30 1:10 24"?
30gr clocked 1950 so the extra 3 gr. in that string should be 2k++. Same alloy as above.
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/popper29/TgtGfx11_zpszdh6af57.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/popper29/media/TgtGfx11_zpszdh6af57.jpg.html)
308W @ 100, 2700 fps.

[Yodogsandman]

Seen lots and lots of pictures of various colored bullets, pictures of how to's, ect. What I haven't seen are pictures of groups shot past 50 yds.
To paraphrase and old saying Only accurate bullets are interesting

The OP wanted to see groups at over 50 yds.

[popper]

Better? Just started with the 30/30 mould, others are ARs.