So just ONE lead pellet can cause serious harm ?

[shooterg]

http://news.yahoo.com/source-boys-mysterious-lead-poisoning-unlikely-place-121923407.html

Seriously. I haveta call BS on some of this.

[Bad Water Bill]

I wonder just how many thousand pellets he had to ingest to get 59 pellets stuck there.

Yes I also call BS

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I bet the liberal writer was just drooling over being able to write this line.

The pellets likely came from the geese the boy’s family regularly hunted and ate, they later told the doctors. The boy and his siblings said they had been eating the pellets as part of a game the played, to make the pellets disappear.

[NSB]

I had one friend and one acquaintance who both were shot while small game hunting. In each case both of them ended up with a large number of pellets left inside their bodies after being treated in the hospital. Both of them died within ten years of being shot at relatively young ages as a result of the lead poisoning their bodies. It is very toxic and doesn't take a lot to make you sick. As far as eating that many pellets, that sounds a little odd.

[Bad Water Bill]

Yes it is extremely toxic.

My grandfather was shot in the side at about 10 years of age in the back woods of Wisconsin where no Dr was available.

In later years he joined the Texas Rangers where he "collected" 8 more "deadly lead projectiles".

He left the Rangers and moved to the mountains of California where he died at age 92 still bearing those 9 chunks of lead.

Just my personal proof of their BS.:twisted:

[popper]

Doctors have said for years the appendix has no use in the body anymore. Guess they are wrong!

[redriverhunter]

i watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Wbj41j67A a long time ago and did not give it too much thought. What i would like to do if i were rich is get a dog from the pound that was headed for the death row and feed him a good steady diet of the deer or other animal that showed lead fragment in the meat then test the dog and is if it has higher levels of lead.

[Bad Water Bill]

1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue and ever since then we have been killing our game with lead.

Over 500 years and we are STILL harvesting our game and OUR population still increases.

Darwin still eliminates the idiots.

[PbHurler]

Those lucky Aussies; they're still getting to use lead shot for waterfowl?

[aspangler]

http://news.yahoo.com/source-boys-mysterious-lead-poisoning-unlikely-place-121923407.html

Seriously. I haveta call BS on some of this.
I concur BS big time.

[9w1911]

"The boy and his siblings said they had been eating the pellets as part of a game the played, to make the pellets disappear." <----this is the cause of the lead poisoning= DARWIN at work.

redriverhunter - Dogs are not your little science project, I find this comment disgusting and I would turn you in if I knew you did this. The act of feeding an animal known tainted food for your pleasure is sick.

[Stephen Cohen]

Im with you guys I call it BS as well, I am sure had this been true our socialist gov would have made a real case of it. Also I cant think of any real geese in this country other than domestic. PbHurler yes we still use lead shot in most areas seems we were able to show the law makers that steel shot is a wounder not a killer.

[waksupi]

Yeah, that lead in the body will kill you. My grandad carried three machine gun bullets in him from WW1. Killed him at 74 years of age.
I also throw the BS flag. The kid had to have swallowed lots of lead to do that. As far as lead actually poisoning someone who has been shot, once more, BS. It encapsulates in a short period of time, and is inert in the body.

[theperfessor]

I would bet that the effects of having a lead pellet in the body would vary depending on many factors such as the size of the pellet, the location of the pellet, how it got there, etc. There are enough instances of small pellets and bullets being lodged in bodies for many years without doing any apparent harm, but these seem to be when the bullets are lodged in muscle tissue. As many have reported, such objects tend to get isolated and become inert. What effect would having pellets lodged in the kidney or liver have? Or in the appendix as reported here? I have to believe there is a certain amount of left wing anti-hunting junk science here, enough to call a qualified BS on this. If there were that many pellets in that kids appendix how much lead dust would the kid have ingested along with them? And did they test for any other sources of lead? Not enough facts here.

[starmac]

I reckon I should be passing any minute now, it has been nice knowing you guys. lol

[Harter66]

Lead poisoning in water fowl . " 6 pellets of #6 killed the 6# pintail in 6 days''.

Page 46. 79323

The ingestion tests were done in 1916 and 1919.
I sight the author an publisher.
79322

Who lets their kid eat shot ? I clearly remember spitting it out as young as 3. Maybe 4-5.

[MtGun44]

Birds ingesting them and keep them in the crop where they are ground against stones into
lead dust which is then ingested downstream. This is ENTIRELY different than eating a
lead pellet which does not have a high surface to volume ratio like dust and passes (usually)
quickly through the GI tract.

Birds are a TOTALLY special case.

Bill

[Bad Water Bill]

There you go AGAIN.

Quit confusing the issue with hard scientific facts.:kidding:

[Blacksmith]

The parents should teach there children to chew there food well and when you hit a hard spot like a pellet or piece of bone spit it out.

[Bad Water Bill]

The parents should teach there children to chew there food well and when you hit a hard spot like a pellet or piece of bone spit it out.

That would require to much "common sense" of which most of these folks are completely lacking.[smilie=b:[smilie=b:

[Stephen Cohen]

You got that one right Bill, common sence is not that common

[MOcaster]

Darwin still eliminates the idiots.

If only this were more true. Darwin must be stronger where you live. Or the term "idiots" has started referring to less people. Oh well, it must not be politically correct anymore.

[Bad Water Bill]

the term "idiots" has started referring to less people.

You win the prize.

Time was that folks that dropped out of school,never worked never practiced safe sex were all on the IDIOT list.

Today the tables have turned as WE are the idiots for supporting their life style of no responsibility for ANYTHING.

Day by day our # are declining as well.

[jcobb651]

As a kid I used to put a handful of .177 caliber crossman pellets in my mouth then spit one out when I needed to reload. I'm sure I've swallowed more than a few. I hope they passed right on through rather than gumming up my apendix or something.

[Lead Fred]

We ate shot foul for 20 years, and I dont remember ever swallowing a pellet.
My Mum was real good at getting them out.

Id hate to see what happens if you give that kid a fish to eat.
They would be choking by the 3rd bone

[Swamp Man]

the term "idiots" has started referring to less people.

You win the prize.

Time was that folks that dropped out of school,never worked never practiced safe sex were all on the IDIOT list.

Today the tables have turned as WE are the idiots for supporting their life style of no responsibility for ANYTHING.

Day by day our # are declining as well. Bill you got to remember we learned from reading books,today kids learn by searching google for the answer.

[Mal Paso]

Years ago a neighbor called. Electric power was out to part of her house. I checked with a meter and told her to call the power company as one "leg" was out. Linemen found the insulation on one of the drop wires had a pellet hole in it. Corrosion had eaten through the rest of the aluminum wire until it couldn't support the load and burned through. I think the wire had been there for 15 years total.

It was never my pastime but up until that point I had never given a thought about shooting a bird on a wire.

[Harter66]

I'm sure I swollowed more than a couple of bbs .

I posted the referance for the benefit of the fellow that wanted to feed up the death row dog its been done.
Fowl really isn't a ''special'' case ,it is a more concentrated situation,maybe, compared to the pellets being held in acids roughly equal to hyrdocloric then into similar alkilins. At the same time battery lead lasts yearsif not decades in sulfuric.

My great grandmothers appendix was full of berry seeds . Personally I suspect a lot of ''stuff'' is found in appedix thats never mentioned.

FWIW Ive eaten plenty of mercury tainted fish too.

I wonder would 1 of us do a volonteer test ? Take a base line blood test ,ingest 3 pellets of OOB test at 3 days then repeat w/an equal weight (100 ?) #9 shot and retest at 3 days. The therory being you get more absorsion from the smaller shot from greater surface area/oz . Ultimately thats what happens in fowl isn't it ? I don't actually expect to get a volonteer so we have to go w/the published data . I didn't see anyone offer any published data that disputes mine.

I worked on an ammo depot where actual lead paint chip percolation tests were done . I turns out there was more irn washed out of the radiator samples than lead from the window sill paint chips. There was a job done once breaking down artillery dummy rounds. They yielded a steel case , steel projetile, sand,lead shot,and cotton sacks. at the end of it the sand was sold to the cement co,the shot was sold to the trap club,the steel went to a scrapper and the cotton sacks had to be considered Haz Mat waste. The sand,steel,and shot past the perc test but the sacks failed. Draw your own conclusions.

[Abenaki]

Did you notice that this story came out just before hunting season?

This story also had an agenda.........get rid of lead shot.

I find it strange that the Dr. suggested using copper shot. Not only is it to light to work. But I find it strange the the Dr. never heard of copper poisoning?

Take care
Abenaki

[waksupi]

I had been thinking the same thing. As an old moonshiner, I know the hazards of copper poisoning, and a still must be scrupulously clean.

[Wal']

Even stranger still is the only geese that are allowed to be hunted here in Australia are Magpie Geese in the Northern Territory, where they would only be hunted on guided safaris in extreme isolated areas.

The only local boys living in those isolated areas would be the our Aboriginal natives.

There are Cape Barren Geese in our southern populated areas. but shoot one of those ............... hand in your gun license!

[NSP64]

I've had my appendix out already so I have nothing to worry about. LOL

[PbHurler]

I've had my appendix out already so I have nothing to worry about. LOL

Some people have all the luck.:bigsmyl2:

[btroj]

I'm not worried, we have been saved by non toxic shot regulations for waterfowl.

Obviously the Aussies don't care as much about their people as our govt cares about us......

[Dan Cash]

"The boy and his siblings said they had been eating the pellets as part of a game the played, to make the pellets disappear." <----this is the cause of the lead poisoning= DARWIN at work.

redriverhunter - Dogs are not your little science project, I find this comment disgusting and I would turn you in if I knew you did this. The act of feeding an animal known tainted food for your pleasure is sick.

When one considers what doge eat of their own volition, particularly abandoned desert dogs in Nevada, feeding the dog meat with bullet fragments is going to cause no harm. So, Mr. get your information straight, unwad your panties and mind your own business.

[MaryB]

27 years repairing electronics, often needing 3 hands to solder something so I held the solder in my teeth. Still alive and licking. Yearly lead tests showed normal levels.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

It is odd that not a soul posting here was aware that CDC published a study some 3 years ago that concluded that lead as a component of hunting bullets was not a hazard to those consuming game taken with such bullets. The study SHUT DOWN a possible bozo approach to more anti gun/hunting efforts taking this approach.

Look it up!

BvT

[trapper9260]

If I remember right last year there was some story about eating deer shot with lead and some was thinking that you will get sick on the lead and DNR say you will not just cut out the wound of the bullet and you have no problem.

[Bad Water Bill]

Does anyone know what happened to the person that super saturated a piece of game meat then X raying it and publishing the photo as a typical wound.

IIRC 100s of K of pounds of donated game was removed from food pantries and destroyed before the scam was revealed?

[Harter66]

As I recall the CDC study came out just shortly after the the Dr's findings in Mi.

I just did a ''survey'' for basically '' would you quit hunting dove if you had to use non-toxic shot''.
I'm sure its a scam to make it impossibly expensive to shoot.

We may as well just kiss it all good-bye ............or plan on fixing it forcably. (since we already went ''its an anti-gun scam)