what is the slowest powder to use with 225107?

[nighthunter]

I've been working up a load with the 225107 bullet. My bullets are weighing 41 grains with gas check and lube. I've tried red dot and green dot with success but I thinking a slower powder might be better. I have plenty of H335 and am considering giving is a try but I'm not real sure where to start other than a starting load a little lower than for a jacketed bullet of the same weight. What other powders would you consider using?
I almost forgot ... this is in a .223.

Nighthunter

[Bzcraig]

Lee second lists a starting load of 26gr for a 40gr j-word @ 3299fps with H335.

[khmer6]

I've had success with 40gr vmax and wc844 (similar to h335) in 223 at 26-28 grains

[bones37]

I've been using 2400 with my NOE 225107 clone in a .223 CZ bolt gun without alot of luck. It does have a 1-12 twist barrel, so I should be able to find something that will work. I am fairly certain this boolit was intended for use in a .22 hornet, 218 bee or other similar cartridges, which have a slower twist (1-14" or 1-16") if I remember correctly. I am only trying to develop a "short" range load of 50 yards, however I'm not having much luck at the present with it, or 2400. I have some Green dot and Unique that I will also try. Maybe someone with more experience with this boolit loaded in the .223 will chime in.

bones.

[nighthunter]

Bones ... a couple of the loads I've tried might meet your needs. I had good luck with 7.0 and 7.5 gr of Green Dot in the .223 with COAL of 1.992. Similar loads of Red Dot gave me similar results but I just happened to have more Green Dot on hand. According to some older Lyman reloading books velocity should be about 2100 fps or slightly higher. I plan to use this bullet for fox and coon this year and if I have to I'll go with the loads I've worked up. I just think a slower powder with a higher case volume might be a little better. I might try 3031 and see what happens. Regardless of results I'll post what I come up with.

Nighthunter

[Larry Gibson]

What twist is your .223 barrel?

Larry Gibson

[Bzcraig]

My apologizes, I did not read your post correctly about the slower powder. My response wasn't even close to your question. I must have forgotten my meds again! :groner:

[nighthunter]

Larry ... I believe it is 1 in 12 twist. It is an older Savage model 340.

Nighthunter

[Larry Gibson]

Larry ... I believe it is 1 in 12 twist. It is an older Savage model 340.

Nighthunter

I would try 4759, 4198, 4895 first. Use a dacron filler with 80% or less load density. Then RL19 and AA4350 if you want. The first 3 work well in my 12" twist bolt gun upwards of 2300 fps with good accuracy.

Larry Gibson

[nanuk]

Was it Rocky Raab talking about using BlueDot in the .223?

[mroliver77]

If you have 3031 by all means try it. It is one of my favorites.
J

[bones37]

I will certainly give the green dot a try, as I have some of that here. I appreciate any info You're willing to share.

Bones ... a couple of the loads I've tried might meet your needs. I had good luck with 7.0 and 7.5 gr of Green Dot in the .223 with COAL of 1.992. Similar loads of Red Dot gave me similar results but I just happened to have more Green Dot on hand. According to some older Lyman reloading books velocity should be about 2100 fps or slightly higher. I plan to use this bullet for fox and coon this year and if I have to I'll go with the loads I've worked up. I just think a slower powder with a higher case volume might be a little better. I might try 3031 and see what happens. Regardless of results I'll post what I come up with.

Nighthunter

[bones37]

Larry, is the dacron absolutely needed with the 4895? I'm just asking as I've never used a filler before. Thanks.

I would try 4759, 4198, 4895 first. Use a dacron filler with 80% or less load density. Then RL19 and AA4350 if you want. The first 3 work well in my 12" twist bolt gun upwards of 2300 fps with good accuracy.

Larry Gibson
Yes, I remember that, IIRC, it was Rocky.

Was it Rocky Raab talking about using BlueDot in the .223?