My Pedersoli Gibbs .45 six shots at 100 meters

[Saltner]

My Pedersoli Gibbs .45 six shots at 100 meters
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[smoked turkey]

Very nice group. Looks like you have found a combination that it likes.

[Sweetpea]

My Pedersoli Gibbs .45 six shots at 100 meters
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I was kinda impressed until I saw you measured in meters...

Let's see how she can do at 100 YARDS!!!:kidding:

Brandon

[bigted]

some rifle pic's and details on load column would be cool and maybe some shooting tips for such a group?

nice going by the way!

[w5pv]

One yard 36" or 3 ft
One meter 39.4 " or 3'3.4"

[drhall762]

I have just purchased a Gibbs and have not even fired shot one. Would love to know what bullet, powder and charge you are using. GG or PP? over powder card? Inquiring mind want to know.

[johnson1942]

thanks for the post, good group, now bring it to the west side of my state and take a big buck with it next dec.

[Boz330]

thanks for the post, good group, now bring it to the west side of my state and take a big buck with it next dec.

If it is the hunting model that might not be too bad. If it is the normal target version he will get tired rather quick. The Gibbs Target is a 12+lb rifle that is designed for prone shooting out past a 1000yds and it does that rather well in the right hands.

dr, If you want a greaser I have one I will part with but in all honesty I shoot PP out of mine formed in a pound die before patching. That is pretty advanced stuff though. The problem I have is my shooting buddy is on the US LR team and is also an amateur machinist of the first order and he tutored me and gave me the right stuff. Unfortunately my mirage and wind reading ability is not so easy to transmit from him to me.

Load data is only one part of the formula. The loading sequence is also important and for every shooter that changes and there is no wrong answer. I do what my buddy does but somehow the scores aren't the same.

Bob

[Hanshi]

Mediocre group! I can tell where each shot took its bite out of the hole! With a little more work you'll find a good load. :kidding:

I can't always do that with a scoped rifle.

[Fly]

Why do you want to sell it Bob????

Fly

[DIRT Farmer]

I got to spend two relays with the guys at Friendship, amazing what the Gibbs rifle will do. I was shooting the 300 meter pigs with 87 grains of Goex ffg, lubed felt wad over the powder, card wad ( wads from Mike) and a Buffalo arms 535 swaged wraped in 9 # oinion skin. I won't claim a group size but when one has the right spotters one dosen't need near all of the hog to hit. Now to get the 500 zero.

[Boz330]

Why do you want to sell it Bob????

Fly

I bought it at the same time I got the rifle thinking that a grease groove boolit would just be easier to mess with. I went to my buddy's house to learn some of the ins and outs of the Gibbs and try it at 300yds. He had a spare pound die and so we formed some boolits and paper patched them and went to the range. I had some 1.5F Kik as well. Start load was 95gr with 1/8" cork wad and the PP boolit. First 9 rounds went into just under 6" at 300yds. The weather was deteriorating so I shot the greasers next and got 7 to 8" with the same load. That just hooked me on the PP. After thinking about having to deal with possible leading as well I just shelved the mold and stayed with the PP.
The mold is a BACO money bullet mold and has had made a 100 bullets or so. I also have the .449 size die as well.

Alan, sorry I missed you at Friendship. Pete said you were hiding out down on the shotgun range. I had a pretty decent day on the Creedmore targets. Once on I think I only missed once. The wind was doing strange things and had me all over the thing but when I did my job reading the wind properly I kept most of them on the white. A fun day with friends. Beats work any day and I like my job.
For you guys not familiar with the Creedmore Match it is a 36"X36" square steel target with the center being an 18"X18" white center. The 2 plates are off set and they make a different sound when you hit the inner or outer section. They are set at 500yds. Below is a picture of the range. The Creedmore targets are the furthest out.


Bob

[Saltner]

Okay,
I live in Italy in a small mountain village called Enego.
Load my Pedersoli Gibbs with a long ball by mouds Pedersoli from 535 grains pure lead, lubricated with 50% beeswax and 50% paraffin, 60 grains of black powder Swiss No. 3, a 9x21 cartridge case of durum wheat flour and vegetable wads.
100 meters are 110 yards, I shot at a rifle to shoot well and unfortunately I have to go a long way.Shooting outdoors as you in the U.S. is not easy.

[dondiego]

You are doing fine Saltner. Keep it up!

[drhall762]

I have the same mold and am going to try you method in my Gibbs. Worst that can happen is it won't work in mine. These BP rifles are funny that way. Bullet, powder, technique all very individualized.

[Fly]

Okay,
I live in Italy in a small mountain village called Enego.
Load my Pedersoli Gibbs with a long ball by mouds Pedersoli from 535 grains pure lead, lubricated with 50% beeswax and 50% paraffin, 60 grains of black powder Swiss No. 3, a 9x21 cartridge case of durum wheat flour and vegetable wads.
100 meters are 110 yards, I shot at a rifle to shoot well and unfortunately I have to go a long way.Shooting outdoors as you in the U.S. is not easy.

Are you using the Pedersoli sights that come with the rifle?
Fly

[DIRT Farmer]

Bob, I didn't get out a lot at Friendship, spent to much time hanging out with the EMS crew, thought I had B/P issues, not the kind you shoot. Got home and spent the next week in the hospital, got some metal springs in my heart.

As uncle Si said, ducks are flying, don't need no doctor, need more shells.

[Saltner]

Are you using the Pedersoli sights that come with the rifle? Fly

I have the original sights of the Pedersoli, with elevation '35 inch

[JeffinNZ]

Nothing to boast about. You missed the coin! :kidding:

[Boz330]

Okay,
I live in Italy in a small mountain village called Enego.
Load my Pedersoli Gibbs with a long ball by mouds Pedersoli from 535 grains pure lead, lubricated with 50% beeswax and 50% paraffin, 60 grains of black powder Swiss No. 3, a 9x21 cartridge case of durum wheat flour and vegetable wads.
100 meters are 110 yards, I shot at a rifle to shoot well and unfortunately I have to go a long way.Shooting outdoors as you in the U.S. is not easy.

Out of curiosity why do you use the wheat flour, and have you tried it without the flour?

Bob

[Saltner]

It is often used in muzzle loading, serves as wad and has the function to absorb the thrust of the explosion of the black powder on the bullet.

[Boz330]

Never saw anybody use it in a ML.I have used it in cartridges to take up airspace. I use cork wads in my Gibbs but my shooting buddy doesn't use anything and he is shooting 95gr of 2F and can't tell any difference. With only 60gr of powder I wouldn't think that cushioning the bullet would be all that necessary. But I sure can't argue with the results that you have gotten. Just goes to show that there is more than one way to get good results.

Bob

[Saltner]

In fact it is a mystery!!!
I tried without a filler but it seems to run worse.

[Boz330]

If it works keep on doing it. Sometimes it amazes me what works in different guns. I have 2 Badger barreled 40-65s that were chambered with the same reamer, same twist, and barrel lengths. One likes 65gr of 2F Swiss with a 3 wad column totaling .250". The other 73gr of 2F Swiss and a .025 wad. Go figure.

Bob

[oldracer]

Does your Gibbs have the stock trigger that Pedersoli put in the gun? I just got mine and found it has about a 2# break pull. There is about 0.25 inch pull to take up the free play and then a clean break so I figure that is what they used. I called Lee Shaver and he noted the LRML rules said no set triggers and in England they were not allowed to use them! I plan to take mine out next week, probably Wednesday to see how it shoots. Came from a fellow in Texas who only shot patched round balls in it!!!!

[Saltner]

My Gibbs was used and the previous owner has lightened and made more fluid the trigger mechanism, has also tempered the levers that could break.
With this rifle shoot patched round balls is blasphemy!

[Boz330]

I wouldn't think that the accuracy with round balls would be very good unless shot really slow. The 18 twist is about 3 1/2 times faster than it ought to be.
My Gibbs trigger was 1lb 6oz when I got it. My buddy put some molyslide on the sear when we tuned it up and it is almost too light now. Mine was also used but only had 20 rounds or so through it and that appeared to be correct.
Lee Shaver is probably one of the most knowledgeable smiths on this rifle. He was at a match I shot in this past weekend. What a really nice guy. Got to talk to him for awhile while working the pits and really enjoyed it. He is the coach of the LR US Team and he was there to help evaluate and coach some of the guys on the team from our club. There were 5 guys there from the team so competition was stiff to say the least. I shot cartridge rifle instead of ML since my knees are due for replacement and all of that jumping up and down takes a toll. Not to mention I would have been an also ran with those guys.

Bob

[Saltner]

Another recharge my Pedersoli Gibbs, five shots with conical bullet 535 grains, lubricated with 70% beeswax and 30% of margarine, 60 grains of black powder Swiss No. 3 and wad done with cardboard coasters for beer between powder and bullet.
http://i42.tinypic.com/281born.jpg

[Fly]

Man I need to try that in my Gibb's, being I only have a 100 yard range.

Fly

[Saltner]

Excuse me, the charge is the same as the picture with one euro coin, but this time i did not use the filler and lubricate the bullet instead of with 50% beeswax 50% paraffin, i used 30% beeswax 70 % margarine.
Too bad for the flye [smilie=b:

[beppe]

saltner hello! nice to meet you I'm Beppe from the province of Pesaro and Urbino (pu), congratulations for your sign at 100 meters.'re the second Italian I meet here in this great boolit mans family.:cbpour:

[Saltner]

Finalmente che bello incontrare un patriota italiano.:2_high5:

Finally, it's nice to meet an Italian patriot.

[Saltner]

Another nice result with my Gibbs, shame about the flyer.
http://i57.tinypic.com/1z6a32c.jpg

[johnson1942]

well you sure have it figured out, dont get much better than that.

[Saltner]

It was a period of time that I could not shoot well and I returned back to the meal as well as cushion the blow to the base of the bullet probably cleaning the barrel between shots and avoids bore leading.

[mikeym1a]

Just curious. Have you tried paper patching the boolits? mikey

[Boz330]

I had good luck with GG boolits but the PP shot even better and no worry of leading.

Bob

[Saltner]

For the PP are in contact with the company KAL Tool & Die for this mold
102625
http://www.kal.castpics.net/Molds.html
http://www.kal.castpics.net/Molds2.html

[johnson1942]

saltner, i emailed them and they told me they can do business with italy. if you cant get a email through to them email me and you can go through me. boz330 is right, no leading and i think paperpatch is a lot less work to shoot and you can do x ring with them also. also i believe the lube on a cast bullet helps create a lot of fouling so their is less fouling with paperpatch. i just coat my paperpatch with a thin coat of floor wax and thats enough.

[Bullshop]

I have the Kal-tool adjustable mold. Mine drops .444" diameter. It also comes with two base plugs, one cupped and one flat. I liked it so well I bought another in 50 cal.

[Saltner]

No problem Roger, i heard the owner and offered me a mold that was there in the stock .442 caliber and assured me that with the withdrawal of the pure lead cast bullet should get to .440, let's see what he says in the next few days.
:lol:

[johnson1942]

go for it, you will love paperpatch.