Drew elk tags .

[Harter66]

Well, now I've tags the work starts. 3 tags to fill 2 rookie hunters.

Real options.
30-06' Savage,mine,best choice,1-8.5 twist handles 200gr to 2100 as well as150s at 2695.3-9x40 ,1-1.5 moa 2-2.5 moa w/heavies so far.

30-06' Rem 760 , the only other scoped 06' available ,1-10 twist 180 j's are rumored to work , haven't really worked it any after a few 8'' groups 5yr ago. It also is fussy about its brass being full lengthed every time (it doesn't even like empties to fit check back) .

7RWH Not really a 1st choice either but I should be able to get 2200 from 286-150 FN NOE . W/2 MOA this is sort of what this was meant for as a pack gun ........ of course I'd have never thought I'd draw an elk tag either. I should be trying the 27-130 FN at 2250 on a pig in the next couple of weeks.

308 Savage likes everything its been feed under 170gr ,I've shot some 180s but the results were lousy compared to 150s . 3-9x40 no cast work at all and very few JPJs left for it.

Here's what's left w/open sights.
03 a3 OK for the lady w/ fused wrist

7x57 1908 Spainiard a little long for the lady, high combed 2 130s and the 150 above for it. It could be scout scoped in short order and shoots 2 moa for me.

32 Rem not really a canidate for 200 yd shots.

4 50cal ML 3 Hawken's and inline w/RB and 320gr Lyman Maxi's again w/the 200 yd issue.


Looking at my list I think I see what needs to be used but lets have the input anyway. The likelyhood is of 200-250yd shots over lots of open ground or a blind luck ambush in a saddle in eastern central Nv areas 111 &112.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

ber's ...

[Larry Gibson]

The Savage '06 with Hornady 190 gr SPBTs or the Speer 200 gr SP would be my 1st choice. (The '06 is actually my 1st choice for my own elk hunting. I use a 24" barreled M70 and the Hornady 190 SPBTs over H4831SC).

The Rem 760 ould be a back up rifle loaded with 180 Hornady SPBTs (killed numerous elk with those too from 25 to 476 yards) loaded in new or once fired FL sized cases over IMR or AA 4350.

The .308W Savage would also be an excellent back up rifle with 165 gr SPBTs loaded over Varget.

Apparently you have a load the lady is comfortable with in the "03.

Unless you live where elk tags are relatively easy to obtain I would go with the best you got for the best chance of taking an elk, especially considering where you are hunting. As much as I love cast bullets I put practicality 1st. I have shot several elk with cast bullets but I lived in elk country back then and hunted a lot so I could afford to be "sporting" so to speak.

Larry Gibson

[Harter66]

Actually I said she could shoot it . She's 5'3'' w/a 12'' length of pull so recoil pads come off replaced w/skinny plates.

I've a half box each of Hornady 150 cup an core SPBT , 165 SST's(? a buddy left them to work up a load he didn't shoot 3yr ago) , and Hornady 180s RN circa 1990.

06' and 308 aw the ol' Ford /Chevy deal and let em' rip.(more responcably than that looks preferably 1 for 1) .

[quilbilly]

Congratulations!!! I will PM you a suggestion for a good area that doesn't get as much pressure of all the other hunters but has a good herd and a stream with a few trout in it.

[runfiverun]

I would be fairly comfortable with the savage 0-6 and the load you have out to maybe 150 yds.

but I am with Larry.
the hornady 30 cal 165 interbond at 27-2800 will penetrate a bull elk crossway's.
I also have great faith [from field results] in the 7mm with a hornady interlock at those same velocity's.
if you had a 35 or 45 cal rifle I would be more comfortable using cast.
especially at the 150-200 yd mark, you just start dealing with velocity and trajectory issues plus penetration suffers.

[warboar_21]

Congrats on the tags. I drew my typical middle finger from NV. As far as the cast boolit shooters go I have no experience with them. I have only ever used jacketed for large game animals. I was hoping to try my 45-70 this year.

[JesterGrin_1]

Here is my simple take on the matter at hand.

For Some people they are lucky enough to go Elk hunting every year while others if lucky can swing it once in there life time.

If you just happen to be in the later category than I would pick the weapon that would give me as much advantage as I could get.

For myself that means I will gladly use Cast for hunting Deer and Hog and other pretty local animals. But for an Elk Hunt I would and have for this year picked Jacketed loads.

The Two I am going to take to Wyoming is a .358 Winchester with Hornady 200Gr SP Interlock and a 35 Whelen AI with Speer 250Gr Grand Slams.

[lonewelder]

What about a barrel swap for one of the savage actions.Or a Barnes bullet in the 06(lighter bullet,little less recoil).

[starmac]

Looks to me like you have two savages that should have you covered. If the length of pull on the 308 is a little long for her, a different stock shouldn't set you back too much.
And like someone mentioned, if one can't wring that 760 out, it could easily go down the road in favor of another savage. lol

[Wolfer]

I have two 760s. Neither would shoot good with full power loads. Back them off a little with a faster than normal powder and they both shot great. Their both dedicated cast rifles now.

I'm with MR Gibson. If you live in elk country then lots of things would work. I drive 1000 miles one way and spend two weeks pay so I don't handicap myself in any way if I can avoid it.
I've had good luck with Barnes triple shock and Nosler partitions.

[Harter66]

Well its lottery draw and my 1st . I've only put in twice over 10 yr . The 3 of us have $600 in the season as of today . Its not really a once in a life time, but hit an miss.I've always thought the 06' was enough ,then i read about the 1 that ''has to be broken down''. I know what my 06' will do up to 300# on the hoof,the elk in question aren't Roosevelts nor Tule's ,just Rocky's but we're still looking at 5-600 on the hoof,possibly still muddy. I think there's a stock in the works for a BRNO 98' and I've toyed w/ the idea of a Whelen or i could get a reamer and ''fix'' the headspace up to 8mm06' too. That might be the best deal and have the lady in a proper length stock too.

[starmac]

If an /06 won't kill it HIDE.

[BSalty]

the 30.06 will work just fine. It is what I have used for every elk I have ever harvested. I run 180 gr Remington Bronze points. Never had one go very far with proper shot placement. The one that did take me on a hike, was my fault on the trigger. And even then we still had him for supper that year.

I know J-Words are frowned upon, but you only have a few months to get the thing dialed in. If you have the time to spend working on the Boolit to be reliable and accurate and test the recovered boolits to check for expansion before hunting season starts, go for it!

[dk17hmr]

I have killed a handful of elk, all with jacketed bullets fired from my 30-06, 338 win mag, and 300wsm in weights ranging from 165gr to 225gr. In my head if your wanting to use a cast bullet on an elk start it at 35 caliber. Elk are large animals, I know when I had my first one on the ground I couldn't believe the size, was kind of worried about getting it back to camp/my truck.

Just my thoughts. Good luck on your hunt.

[Jupiter7]

What about a barrel swap for one of the savage actions.Or a Barnes bullet in the 06(lighter bullet,little less recoil).

I think the savage ought six is a good choice. If not heavy cast, barnes bullets for the win. Nosler partition would be a good second choice.

[warboar_21]

how is it you put in twice in 10 years and draw and I have put in every year since 2004 except 2010 when my son was born. Count yourself lucky is all I can say.

[Harter66]

I must use up all my luck drawing tags . I put in a party hunt for myself and my kids about 12 yr ago we drew 3 on a quota of 25 w/206-207 antelope tag. I couldn't hit a keno ticket w/a frieght train through the casino. I outgrew trophy hunting too so maybe that has something to do w/it. Kind of a change of Hart I guess (dual pun me vs red stag).I'm just in it for the hunt,camping trip and groceries these days.

[GaryN]

You arel lucky. I've been putting in for moose for eighteen years and haven't drawn. I have also put in for elk for 11, same story.

I would use the '06 with heavy bullets and you will do fine. Go with 180 grains on up. A big bull can take a lot to put down if not shot right. And they don't tip over like deer. I use a 300 mag. and premium bullets. But most of the ones I've shot were with a bow.

[starmac]

A squirrel will not go down if not hit right. many people consistently kill elk with a stick an string or a round ball. The 30/06 was considered to be one best for many years, till the elk got somewhat tougher. lol

[FLINTNFIRE]

All we ever hunted deer and elk with , the whole family used 30-06 , neighbor used a 760 in 270 for elk and I saw him make some long shots, if yours will not group get rid of it or I might suggest a rebore up to 338-06 , and for semis and pumps it is not uncommon to full length resize .
Congratulations on the tags and best wishes on success , the 30 calibers first or the 7mm second choice.

[deep creek]

Ive killed alot of elk with my 06 savage 110 with 165gr hornady at 2900fps.seven mag 162grn hornady at a little over3000 and my 338mag 225grn hornady at 3000 in my ruger no 1. those 165s in 06 wont bounce off an elk:D

[Harter66]

My buddy killed a spike a couple of yr ago w/165 sst in the superformance. That fast twist 06' has a speed limit , it'll push a 150 up to 3000 but at 2600 it shoots cloverleaves at 2710 it opens to 1.5 by 2800 12''.
180s have seen 2500 but were better at 2400 . I'll get it worked out . I've a 200 of my own that will go 2100 so far too.

[Idaho Mule]

Harter66, I met you at NCBS. I would say go with the Savage '06 and Hornady 190 BTSP of what you have mentioned. That is a very good bullet and will do the job quite well. I know this from personal experience but I was launching them from a Ruger 77 300 WM at very close to 3100 fps. They should do just as well out of your '06 at 2700-2750 or whatever you can get. The Hornady SST is NOT an elk bullet, it comes apart to quick, trust me on this. Use the 308 with any good bullet 165 or over for back-up and go for it. Good luck on your hunt and please let us know how it goes. If you are low on those 190's just let me know by pm and I could get some to you. JW

[NVScouter]

Just load the 30-06 and 308 with 180g premium bullets and your fine. Then sell that 760 and buy the new Mossberg youth in 308 for your wife. I bought my wife one since the other youth model got stuck with 243 or 7mm-08 only. Its a great rifle with no frills and she loves the weight. I wouldnt go out execting 500y shots with it but for what is is I like it.

[opos]

Grew up hunting in Colorado back in the 50's and early 60's...drawing permits was simple...drawing cow permits was a bit more difficult. I shot a trusted 30-06 built on an Eddystone Enfield action with a Douglas barrel, Fajan Stock, Timney trigger and a 4x Weaver scope. We killed a lot of deer and elk with that rifle. Shot 180-200 grains and never had one crawl off that we didn't find very close by...the old adage "don't shoot at anything running down hill" was always followed. We had to dig a spike out of a deep canyon that our buddy shot when he spooked it and it took off down hill...it fell and stumbled about 1/4 mile down a really deep and steep ravine...took all day!

[ammohead]

Harter,

Did you draw bull or cow? Early or late? Details, we need details. The elk in area 11 see quite a bit of pressure and can be spooky. Will you be going out to scout? I have a house in McGill and go out that way about every 3rd weekend. Let me know when you are going and maybe we can do some scouting together.

I got skunked myself, but Jane has a cow tag for 222 late and two stepsons have cow for 222 middle. I hope to pick up something in the second draw maybe.

ammohead

[Harter66]

I wonder if I can find some hot cores or power loks ,its 5 years since I bought any JPJs ,I got sick last time I looked at Barnes and Nosler,$1-1.50 a shot just for the bullets..........

The 75/25 ww/1-20 200 gr worked well on a small mulie w/results being nearly identical to a Hornady 3033 but that was a 80 yd 1/4'ing away broad side. 30 in half dollar out. I wonder if the PP would go full tilt w/4831?

Let the search begin for some ''good'' 180s.

[Harter66]

Ammo,
111-112 early cows 10/1-10/20 .

I'm facing the time money thing, lots of time no money. I'll be making some ''moving'' runs to Ar for my folks, my current time line says I'll get to scout some starting about 9/28 driving out 9/27 leaving Hawthorne about 130-200 pm. My buddy is the wild card .........and dumb lucking into a super job of course.

[ammohead]

What are your skills jobwise?

[Harter66]

I've an Airframe & Powerplant License I worked that steady for 6 yr after 4yr apprenticship,9 yr at Reno on race teams. I've built 6 houses,from strings and stakes to finish trim(I don't do finish work well in wood),laid carpet,cement work,etc. I spent the last 17 yr at the depot here in shipping of ordiance,from 22 LR to 16'' Howies,flash/bangs to MOAB. Fork licenses from hand trucks to 25klbs Industrial forks and rough terrain Sky Trac/Dyna Lift. Remedial loader and backhoe skills. 10yr at the Walker Lake VFW , drove F900 Truck w/2000gal water tank ran pumps,rescue/brush truck 200 gal tank ,extracation ,Haz Mat 3,SCBA to Class A full encapsulation suit. Cut and hauled firewood commercially for about 5yr. I've worked pretty much 0600-1800 6days since I was 11 or 12. I don't work well w/eletronics but I manage well enough to get by.

[TXGunNut]

Did I miss something? How did this become a thread about j-words? Over the last couple of years I have learned the value of CB's as hunting boolits. I still use j-words for a few cartridges but if I have a hunt a few months off I will figure out a way to do it with CB's! Living (and hunting) in TX I may not understand all the intricacies of elk hunting but if it lives in TX I can kill it with a lead boolit. When presented with a long shot I either pass or get closer.
I understand the OP has some special challenges here but I'd like to see this challenge answered with CB's. I'm pretty sure we can do this, am I right?

[Harter66]

TxGun,
I think I can dial in Savage , but w/my current moulds there's not much hope for the 308. Maybe the PP NRA mould will come through or I have a donor mould that could be FP'd and bumped up to 170 or so for the 308.

The funds just aren't present to buy another mould, bbl,mount set (O3) or rifle.
I guess a 2C Lee if there were a heavy FP and I can work it up to the magic 1000 ftlb @ 100yd and the 50/50 or 75/25 will hold up in a shoulder just in case.

In this case the value of both sides is clear I will of course make every effort to work up a load just because its trigger time.

[quilbilly]

Having hunted elk with the muzzleloader 50's for over 20 years, those would be my go-to especially if you look into the area I suggested in the PM. 100 yd shots or less would be more likely there. Any 30 cal. CB weighing more than 165 gr of softer alloy at an MV of 2000 will do just fine at 200 yards if you do your part. In years past, the instantaneous results of my sabotted 265 slugs on elk from the muzzleloader have been far more impressive than most of the J-bullets I have watched being used successfully. Whatever you use, do a lot of practice offhand at 125 yards on paper plates.

[ammohead]

Harter,

I work at a growing data center outside of Reno and we will be looking for maint techs or "critical site engineers" as they are called. It would be a tough fit without electrical distribution, generator, switch gear experience.

First part of October is the end of the rut where your tag is at. The bulls will be stupid but the cows will not. They are usually the ones left to look out for the stupid bulls. But the bulls will be where the cows are so if you can get any to answer a cow call or bugle you should be able to find the cows. I can make the house available for you to use for showers etc. if you camp or even to stay at if that works better. Myself, I would rather be camped where the animals were at and use the house for respite. Either way. And if you get a chance to scout early let me know and I will go along or meet you there and show you my place. Nothing special, just a place for hunters to throwdown.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

. help?

[Harter66]

Ammo,
I will get in touch pretty soon . Thankyou so much.

[Harter66]

123,
that'd be a treat,they make several other products too.

[Harter66]

My JPJ deer load was 0'd at 200 and shot nearly identically in both my primary and ''spare'' rifles. I plan this to be as close to that as I can get.

[ammohead]

I have been told, (haven't seen it for myself) that cows will respond to a "hoochiebaby" hand held bulb call tuned to sound like a calf. If done right they will come right in. Not alot of good once the calves are weaned, but they should still be on the tit by Oct 1 but not much after.

A good start would be the range between Ely-McGill and Duck Creek Valley from Mosier Canyon and north. It will still be hot so I would expect them to be high and hanging where there is some shade.

[GaryN]

I would leave the bugle home. I hunt with a long bow. My main call is a cow call. It has worked the most consistently over the years. The bugle just scares them unless you are really in the back country. They have learned that people blow bugles.

[waksupi]

I agree on the cow call. I have killed more elk with it, than a bugle. And it works all the time, not just during the rut.

[quilbilly]

Holly and I just drew doe tags for our backyard (Olympic Hunting Unit or basically the whole east side of the Olympic Mtns.) in the early muzzleloader season. That means a full freezer of succulent blacktail deer in October. As a teeze, an unusually large yearling doe just walked by our kitchen window along with a normal size yearling. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh - alive. Did not draw a cow elk tag though so I won't have to carry one out.

[Ramjet-SS]

Much depends where you are hunting and the average shot distance. I hunt timber mostly and have taken Elk with Longbow ... 3, 300 Win Mag, 348 winchester Imp.44 mag handgun, 460 S&W handgun, 30-30 Imp with barnes x, 58 caliber round ball from a muzzle loader, 475 Linebaugh in a number 1 Ruger cast boolit 355 grain WFN, all those elk where under 100 yards some as close as 20 yards. The gun that is right is the one you can shoot well for the conditions and distance you can shoot well at. Figure the territory you will hunt if it is thick timber with close shots the guns you talked of will work just fine.mif you're shots are 200+ then you may need to think about a combination of gun and bullet that can perform and you can shoot at those distances. Whatever you choose go out enjoy the experience and spend some time at the range enjoy the journey.

[Harter66]

Ok so heres the score today 59 days and the alarm till the opening .

The Savage 110 308 just won't shoot of 170gr (Forgive me Father for I tried 3 powders under 2 180gr 1rn 1psp of the forbiden JPJ). 162 gr PP'd 312-155 2 R Lees are happy campers tip toeing into the realm of 2800fps w/a believed to be suitable alloy . I have a bucket of FP-able 175gr 323s and 4 dies to get them down to 301 for the paper opinions here welcome futile effort or fair option. Should push the 162gr bullets to max and or accuracy failure or opt in for the heavier boolit........decisions.

The 760 at first I was just ready to sell it for parts but while doing dummies for PP's I found the burr in the throat lapped it out and viola' hunting groups w/plain base 200gr boolits that just miss (no chrony today) the minimum 1kftlb/100yd requirment but are a good alloy if I can get them up to 2100 PP'd I'm a happy camper but in the hot bbl ,it was the 3rd load string in full sun and just not cooling out well, the last string wandered some . Scope mounts are in question at this point as well.

The 110 06' just needs that last little as of yet undicovered seating depth/patch length tweek to hit the ''magic 2'' 2100fps'' window,I hope . I did wreck a mulie w/it last yr ,in 2 ribs behind the left shoulder out just in front of the left at 1900 bare.

I wonder if I'm over thinking this all somehow.
I could just lay out $40 bucks for some nice Hy-Shocks for the 308 or shoot the 150 gr 3033 Hornady that are back up for mulies and wait it out too. Nahh thats the easy way out...

[quilbilly]

Sounds to me like you are having more fun now than you will at the hunt. Remember if you shoot something, the fun will really be over. Hopefully you can find a weekend to get over there before the 59 days are up. Too bad the Forest Service shut down that web cam on Ward Mtn on July 31st that was getting pictures of your hunting area every 15 minutes. I was getting my "Nevada fix" on that cam a couple times a day. Watching the monsoon rains move in to that area was truly awe sum during the last month.

[ammohead]

Have you given thought to a scouting trip? I was there last week and cleaned up on northern pike in Comins Lake. Canned 13 pints of chunked up fillets this morning. I can spit and hit the Schell Creek Range from my house in McGill.

[Harter66]

ammo,
I'm trying to get some things dialed in . I've a new to me camper that needs more work than anticipated . A truck w/a electronics bug. Yes how I want to run away off the grid for a few days. Hows the grouse hunting ? Hows the coming weekend look ? Could probably make McGill by 8-9 Friday night. Stay out Saturday ,Sunday till noon or so w/flex for actual participants. PM me a number which I probably already have we'll meet up.

[quilbilly]

Have you given thought to a scouting trip? I was there last week and cleaned up on northern pike in Comins Lake. Canned 13 pints of chunked up fillets this morning. I can spit and hit the Schell Creek Range from my house in McGill.
I was wondering if there are still pike in the lake. Caught my first one there a few years back just casting a spinner bait off the launch. Are there bass too? There used to be before the NDOW tried to poison it out.

[deep creek]

ive killed a lot of elk with my savage 06 with 165 gr hornadys and imr 4320 at 2900 fps

[Harter66]

I've to get to the range w/this work up . If it works in the 308 and the 7600 then I'll be set. 175gr 325-170R2 paper patched over IMR 4350. The Remmy shot groups but just not really up to task they'd do if its all I had. FWIW that's 4 steps down to 301, then wrap and size to 309. 75/25 WW 1-20. The FP comes from sizing base 1st the last 2 steps.

[GunnyJohn]

I hunt elk with a 35 Whelen, my wife uses a 308, my dad used a 32 spl as it was all he had. I don't remember any stories about the one that got away. Dad knew where to put bullets. Your 06 will work just fine. Just make sure you do your part. Elk are beautiful beasts in my opinion they deserve a well placed round, and you will deserve a well cooked steak. (bacon grease and onions Mmmm)

[Harter66]

Gunny,
I had some real doubts about getting it all together. I think its going to work out. No onions for me.

I've a bullet that will hold up and 2" loads to point of aim to 200yd I'll do my part the 2 rookies. ....well I guess that's what I'm there for.

[Harter66]

Well the 760 30-06' is a winner . We shot a 3'' 100 group 5 rds. It has a gray haze at the muzzle , but I expeted worse w/them clocking well into the 2500s .
The combo ;)
324-170 sized 323 nose 1st then 316,309,301 base 1st in push throughs . 172 gr
2 wraps of Green Bar printer paper dry slicked up w/Darrs lube and finish sized 309
Horady Frontier brass weigh lotted +- .2gr
CCI Standard LR
46.0 IMR 4350

The above results in a Lee R2 w/a .2 flat point and about .1 '' of patch above the crimp groove and case mouth being just firm closing in the pump rifle. Its cast from 70/30 ww/1-20 . They seem to plow along straight line through as much as 9 continuous inches of douglas fir then to points unknown . At least to 150 yds they should have no difficulty breaking the off shoulder w/a vitals shot or getting through a shoulder to the vitals. Of course the only way to be absolutely certain is to try it on live flesh.

Meanwhile the 308 has taken to scattering shots all over w/full tilt loads which went into the mid 2600s . the above boolits powder and primers are the same w/a longer patch launched w//45 and 46 gr in Rem brass.

So I'll back the 308 down to 42.5in halves up to 44.5 and tune the 760 from 45gr up by .2s , just incase there's a magic sub MOA load hiding in there some place.

It sure is hard to be excitable about hunting elk when its still 90* in the afternoons and the new 72' Kit Companion needs so much work still. The loads are coming together and the major rip out the walls stuff is almost finished.

[Harter66]

So my buddy tells me he's hunting Cherry creek just out of McGill . I don't where that came from. I guess I better find out where that is and how it works w/the other great info Ive gotten here.

:(

[quilbilly]

So my buddy tells me he's hunting Cherry creek just out of McGill . I don't where that came from. I guess I better find out where that is and how it works w/the other great info Ive gotten here.

:(I didn't know there was a Cherry Creek in the Schell Range. There is a Cherry Creek in the Egans just across the valley and it is complete with a semi-ghost town near where the Paiutes ambushed the Pony Express riders.

[Harter66]

Berry valley . I misunderstood him . It looks like tough hunts or lots of ''roadies'' on Google Earth.

[ammohead]

Harter,

My bad. I have become recently unemployed and it has been hectic lately. I missed your reply about the weekend just past. Too bad to as I did go to McGill. Sorry dude. I am not scheduled to go back until labor day weekend.

[onceabull]

FWIW. the largest Bull elk I've killed to date was with a 30/06..I've watched cows make it further with a 250 Partition from a 338 W in the lungs at 40 Yds,then that bull did when hit there at about 100yd.I don't believe that any elk has ever walked the hills that will escape from a heart/lung hit within 250 yds with an appropriate bullet from a 30/06.. One hunter's opinion,and worth as much as anyone elses !!! If you are one to try Texas heart shots at running elk in the stick timber, get a 416 Rigby or equiv. ....;-) Onceabull

[quilbilly]

Berry Creek is a tributary of Duck Creek and even has a snow measuring station so must have a good road access put in by the Bureau of Reclamation. You will have lots of company if you go there but that doesn't mean you won't see cows. If it is anything like the circus elk hunts used to be around here, if the elk goes more than 100 yards after you shoot, someone else's tag might be on it. I don't think it is is that bad though. Just remember my advice about Piermont Creek as an alternative to where everyone else goes, but, then again, I never considered a hunt a social event. (P.S. - if you could go there the weekend after Labor Day, you could get all the elk pegged. That is when the bulls bugle and gather their cows)

[Harter66]

Thanks,
I'm going to try . Lots of variables between here and there still . I just PM'd ammo to hit the high points.
I've dumb lucked into couple of ''elbow grease'' campers very cheap. The Carravan camper will be resold $300 for any takers 72x102 Rhino lined welded steel frame ,big bucks new. The 72' Kit only needed/s parts I have in hand.
That and a day spent cleaning , 10 yr in a pole barn were easy desert yrs.

I've looked that whole area over from Earth personaly your area looks more gamey,but what do I know . its tough to scout 400 mi away.

[quilbilly]

It is truly a spectacle being in the Schell Range that weekend after Labor Day. Most of the bulls are just beginning to gather their harems and from sunrise to about 8 AM they constantly are shouting insults at each other across the canyons. Once their harems are gathered, they quiet down considerably. That weekend is usually the last for the bow season and I have found it amusing watching the bowhunters pursue the bulls and due to tunnel vision, walk right by other bigger bulls within spitting distance. Not all areas in the Schells have those elk. Cleve Creek with its gorgeous (!!!) BLM and FS campgrounds plus fine fishing doesn't have as many elk but lots of mulies while ten miles up the road is Piermont and Kalamazoo Creeks where the elk seem to be. For the record, I haven't seen much elk sign around Schellbourne either in the past but that could change. I haven't been to any of these places in a couple years.

[Harter66]

Thank you,your guidance will be invaluable I'm sure. My buddy is only going to have about 5 days to hunt my GF should have 16 days of the season while I can hunt till closing of the last day. If Labor day doesn't fly we're going out Friday before, the season opens on Tuesday so really we should have a couple of days w/pretty light traffic.

[ammohead]

My son and I are heading out to McGill Friday night, coming back early Tue morning. Give us a shout if you get out there.

[Harter66]

I will talk it over . I need to be in CC on Friday depending on how that works out I might come out 2nights and a day. I gone back to work for a couple of months ,of course just in time to have this all screwed up.