My daughter was suspended from 6th grade today-pocket knife in her wallet

[Springfield]

Apparently her friend wanted to see her new wallet. While looking throght it she found the pocket knife, took it out and said right there in the cafeteria: hey, you have a knife in your wallet! And of course the volunteer mommy worker heard her and turned her in. So I got a call about "something serious happened at school today", and while I am imagining her getting hurt and having her teeth knocked out in PE or needing stitches or something real,the asst. Principal says she had a knife and school today. She starts babbling something about it being serious and stuff and I just cut her off and said, so I assume I need to come get her? I will be there in 15 minutes. So she takes me into her office and explains the whole thing and acts like my daughter is a criminal or something. She says they COULD expell her but will only give her 5 days suspension because she doesn't have a "violent history!" They she says she is worried because when asked my daughter had conflicting stories about where she got the knife, first she found it under her bed, then maybe she got it from her younger brother, she wasn't sure. She was kinda talking low and seemed to me to be insinuating that maybe she STOLE the knife and it was a big dark secret or something. So I had to cut her off again, told her that I had probably gave it to her, that I gave both my kids knives and taught them the proper handling and how to sharpen them and stuff. She seemed a bit shocked, and just said "OH" and stopped talking. Then of course I told her how stupid their policy was and that now my daughter is being punished for hurting no one and how the penalty WAY outweighs the crime, and how I have carried knives since I was 7 years old and every day to school my whole young life, and how I realize she has to follow policy but that whoever up above thought of this rule is an idiot. So now she can't go back to school until next Tuesday. Morons. I did tell my daughter that she has to follow rules even if they are stupid unless she wants to face the consequences. At least until she can get the rules changed. And that there are morons among us and unfortunately sometimes they are in positions of power. And they wouldn't even give the knife back yet as they "have to photograph it". Again, morons.

[45sixgun]

That's really pathetic, and I'm sorry it happened to you. Sad to say, that mindset is representative of the majority of America. We have completely lost touch with who we are and where we came from. Who do they think settled, civilized, and built this country up? Who supported our soldiers through the early wars, securing our freedom and identity? Volunteer mommy workers with the closest thing to a tool being the cell phone in their pockets? Get real, America!

[plmitch]

Sad day Sir.

[smoked turkey]

Sad. I feel bad for your little girl. We truly live in a mixed up world. Sounds like you have done a good job raising your kids and have nothing to feel bad about. I agree that we just have to go by the rules. I guess we have to realize that not every 6th grader has had the opportunity to learn about such things and possibly can't be trusted to do the right things.

[geargnasher]

You handled it better than I would have. If that isn't a sign to start making plans to remove your children from a system designed to only produce conformist prols, I don't know what is.

Gear

[jcwit]

They had to photograph it to put in her permanent records I'd guess.

[Wayne Smith]

If they refuse to return the knife tell then that it is petty theft of a child's belonging and you will report this to the police and the local news. Bet that works.

[jmort]

Don't get me started on the indoctrination centers we have here in California. I live in a conservative area where the ROTC students march around with replica M1s. A beautiful sight that makes me tear-up. Zero tolerance for "mistakes" is typical of liberal dumb-a$$ school administrators.

[w0fms]

I probably would have forgotten to take my pocket knife out of my pocket when going there and talking to the principal...

So to avoid that sort of thing.. I homeschool. I am non-religious too for the most part. I want my kids to get a better education...

I'm starting to be more and more proud of that decision as every year passes...

[429421Cowboy]

I too was homeschooled, in a Christian household, but with religion and school being totally separate, because my parents felt it was a better education and i agree with them! Sad day when things like this happen and we see they are just trying to make schools a sanatary padded wall daycare for kids instead of teaching them! Same thing happened to my little cousin a few years back, he had been out working with us, wearing his leather case with fencing pliers and a Cresent wrench on his belt, then the next day mistakenly wore the same jeans to school, when he realised and tried to put them in his backpack, another kid saw and raised a ruckus. So off the little man goes to the office, in his mother comes, gave the teacher a real earful about the situation, it wasn't like he brought an ax to school, he's a 9 year old kid that has been raised on a ranch, knows right from wrong and probably knows more about using a knife than most of the teachers, yet he gets in trouble for a pair if pliers?? Their whole system is becoming a joke, and getting good at brainwashing the other kids into total conformity. Sad! Good on you for teaching your kids the proper way to use them, too bad a few kids who would use them to hurt people have ruined it for all of us.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

wow that's B/S get this last month my sons friend got suspended from
school for looking at a air soft gun in his computer class he is in 8th grade
i just don't get it when i was in 6th grade i had a Buck 110 knife on my
belt at all times in school and out

[dudits]

things like this sadden me. knives and other sharp objects are the only reason mankind survived.

i am sorry for you're daughter.
this will be on permanent record and follow her to all schools. she will be judged by teachers and principals till she is done with the system.
if she does get on any trouble this incident will most likely be added to the equation.

you did handle it alot better then i would have "sure i would have called the asst principle a moron along with some other choice words"

[Cane_man]

sucky situation, feel fortunate she was not expelled and now you would have to run around looking for another school to take her in

[TXGunNut]

I would have felt silly without a pocket knife in school, only way I've sharpened a pencil in decades! During dove season there were at least a few shotguns in cars & pickups so dove hunters could get a quick hunt in on the way home.

[John Allen]

So much of this is BS anymore. Thank god that the wallet did not have a gun drawn it or she would have been arrested.

[monge]

Sad day sorry about your troubles .what is happening to this country how did it come to this both my sons have many knives, they own there own guns and are well trained in safety and care of them.Here in NY there is talk of teachers asking children if they have guns at home.i told my children to answer that is a personal ? and to ask my parents! my 14 year old son built his own ar-15 from spare parts it was a great project for him and he learned much about the fire arm I helped him very little with it the gun is also a good shooter. Ill never forget the first day at the range with it how proud he was of himself when the gun first went off! Saddly with all that is going on in this state I had to tell him not to brag to his freind about it and dont talk about it in school! there was a time when kids took there hunting rifles on school buses so they could hunt after school ! when will the insanity stop what happened to commin sense!

[wv109323]

Feel fortunate that your child is suspended and spend some quality time with her. I would give her a "cram" course in gun safety and marksmanship during her "vacation" . After hours I would instruct her in proper care and maintenance of firearms.
Like the liberals say " Don't let a crisis go to waste".
Have her write a paper on "What I did on my Suspension" and turn it in for extra credit when she goes back to school.

[geargnasher]

I probably would have forgotten to take my pocket knife out of my pocket when going there and talking to the principal...

So to avoid that sort of thing.. I homeschool. I am non-religious too for the most part. I want my kids to get a better education...

I'm starting to be more and more proud of that decision as every year passes...

Good on you for teaching your children at home. My parents, both professional teachers, educated me at home back when it was illegal in Texas. They are one of the principle reasons that the truancy laws have been modified to "allow" it nowdays.

Gear

[canyon-ghost]

My Pocket Knife Story:

My Dad gave me a pocket knife, not the first one I'd had but, it meant a lot to me. He told me not to carry it to school, just remember to take it out of my pocket. Well, I remembered for about a month. I have 2 brothers and 2 sisters so, the outcome won't surprise you. One morning, I scooped up everything and stuck it all in my pocket, change, bits of string, etc.
Then the principal called me into the office. He asked, "Do you have a pocket knife in your pocket?" to which I replied, "I don't know". Now, I suddenly got the idea someone was watching my pocket contents closer than I. He repeated the query and I just told him I really did not know if it was in my pocket, admitting I owned one. I emptied my pockets to find I had indeed carried it to school. He just said, "Okay, you can pick it up after school." Then he put it in his top desk drawer, the wide one you'd use for pens and keys, etc. I did pick it up after school but, learned one important fact.

Everyone wants to play Gestapo, nobody wants to get played.

There was no punishment for forgetting the pocketknife, just couldn't have it in class. I miss the Coach being the principal. He was an alright kinda guy.

Ron

[Harter66]

As I recall maybe 6 yr ago a student was expelled for butter knife in a pick up bed.

Like others I lent my knife to many teachers shotguns in pickups were common place in 84'. It also was OK for us to work 2-4 hr after school and 14hr days on the weekends. Their working on making it illegal for farm kids to work under 16 then only 12hr week. Just last month the powers offered consoling for parent and students traumatized by the kid that gnawed a gun or a mountain out of his pop tart.

Ignorance and intolerance are as rampant as ever. Its just that its our hobbies,God and passions instead of the color of our skin,which will soon be under attack again no doubt,too white ya know.

[jblee10]

Remember sheeple, it is all for the common good.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Hmmm, 5 days off, eh? She can probably get in quite a bit of target practice... I still can't figure how they figure suspension is a punishment. I got 5 days in detention once for defending myself against what would now be called a bully. It was great! I finished all my class work in 2 hours and spent the rest of the day reading Jack London type books with a little recess in the afternoon to pick up trash around campus. It was probably best week of middle school! You should have seen them pucker up when my father showed up in uniform toting his 357 for the conference!

[Recluse]

Indicative of public indoctrination rather than public education. I've found the overwhelming majority of public educators and administrators to have the common sense of a pissant.

:coffee:

[Huskerguy]

It is situations like this that remind me why I disliked being a high school principal. I am now at principal at a private Christian School which is totally different. It looks like you are in California but pretty much every state and school district has the same policies that do not allow students to carry knives into school. I was principal in a rural area and also in a bigger city at a technical school where students came and went back to their high schools. Often those kids would use a pocket knife in their technical classes and carry them back to the HS and get suspended when they were caught. We always warned them but it happened several times every year. I didn't like enforcing these rules either but the good side is there are some less than desirable kids in a school, especially the bigger ones where you have thousands that should not have pocket knives or any kind. I didn't make a big deal out of knives when I found them, certainly not a five day suspension but that is probably in a policy somewhere as well. Schools do not care how well trained, experienced, or trusted a kid is, a knife is a knife and safety is safety but we all know how things really work. Bottom line for me is there were rules to follow but it didn't have to all come down the way it did. There may even be some laws coming down from the state that sets those policies as well. Tell her to hang in there, life isn't fair and you have to go on.

[km101]

I have been where you are today, so I understand your frustration. I think you handled yourself well. The "zero tolerance" rules at school are about as stupid as the "gun free zone" idiocy. Administrators have become zombies who react rather than think. They deal with situations using inflexible guidelines and never think about the kids that they may be damaging.

And it is astounding that they regarded this as a "serious situation". Meanwhile the drug supermarkets in schools go undetected and un-dealt with. What a sad situation.

[429421Cowboy]

I agree suspension wouldn't be much of a punishment for me!

Our Chem professor told us today he flushed 2 grams of sodium metal wrapped in toilet paper at his school to see what happened, blew the pipe out of the wall, Joe got a week of fishing time off from school! Of course this would have been in the 60's, now a days his entire family would have been deported to Java and every kid in the school would have gotten counceled in how to feel bad about what might have happened.

[frkelly74]

Home School, Home School, Home school. I can not even think of being subject to the tyranny of the schedule imposed by the system any more. It is unacceptable to me. We home school 3 kids and every one learns something every day and It isn't always the kids who learn the most. We had a couple of online classes last year and it was frustrating to me. We were supposed to have a computer meeting every two weeks to discuss the kids progress and I skipped some because our daughter was well ahead of where she was supposed to be. So they started calling me for the meetings and the big topic of discussion was not the childs progress but instead how important it was to have the meetings so that the state would see that there was indeed education going on so that then they could bill the state and get paid. Money , money , money. It was ridiculous so we did not go for it this year. They called anyway to make sure that our children would log on on the count day so that they could get their funding. I told them to forget it. But that is probably beside the OP subject, Sorry but it got me started.

[Springfield]

jcwit: that's exactly what they said, it will all go into her permanent record. Seems to me all of this would have to disappear after she turns 18 and goes to college as all this happened when she was a minor, but they probably have some way around that.

[jcwit]

Pity, a real pity.

[DHurtig]

I understand and empathize with your feelings and your daughter got off very lightly. I am a security officer at the largest high school in South Dakota and I see these things daily. It sounds like your daughter is a responsible young lady and of that you can be proud. Sadly she is the exception to the rule anymore. It would scare the bejesus out of you if you were aware of the mental half wits, malcontents, bullies, psychopaths and degenerates that roam the halls of our public schools. Administrators have to enforce the rules as equally as is possible and your daughter got off with the bare minimum. Chalk it up to experience and let it go.

We have two kids in our building that are so bad that they are not allowed to go anywhere without an adult escort. We have a mentally handicapped girl that has violent out bursts of hitting and spitting on other girls. She has at least 2 adults with her at ALL times. There is no reason for her to be in a public school, but we've got her. We have one kid in the psyche ward for trying to cut his own throat. We deal with drinking and or drugs at least 3 times a week. I couldn't begin to guess how many kids we've got with ankle monitors, and the kids wear them like a badge of honor. We have probation officers in the building on a daily basis checking on kids. We dealt with a kid last week that has had 145 discipline referrals in the last 3 years.

We used to have a bleeding heart liberal for one of our administrators, but thankfully he is gone now. His favorite line was " You have to remember that these are some ones children". I always wanted to tel him that " Yeah, so were Charles Manson and Jeffry Dahmer.."

I really do understand how you feel,but please just put it behind you and move on. Dale

[DHurtig]

I forgot to mention that we have about 2400 students. Sad but true, is that we don't have it near as bad as the big schools in the metropolitan areas. Dale

[Dryball]

You certainly did handle it well. The same thing happened to my son last year. I gave him one of my granddad's Case knives for Christmas. He was 7 y/o and was so excited that he took it to school. When I got the call I responded in the same manner. When I got there the knife was on the P's desk. He started grilling my son as to why he committed this atrocity. I stood up and plucked up the knife and put it in my pocket. He told me I couldn't take it because "they" needed it. I said...sir, first my wife and I are the only ones that can grill my children like that...and this was my granddad's knife, you or anyone else is welcomed to it if you can get it from me. I then told him I certainly hope he won't be punished. I also mentioned some things about an attorney. He never attempted to get the knife and he wasn't punished. Maybe...do a little casting or reloading with her.

[hithard]

Sorry to hear that. My nephew got caught breaking and entering a school, vandalizing it, and stealing a computer. Well the school refused to press charges as it would cost them to much to do due so, lawyers and all. So the kid basically get's off free in reguards to the legal system. On the other hand, he is now living with his father, my younger brother, and life isn't so rosey! Oh, and love this, no suspension as it did not happen during school hours. UnF____+++ believable!

[Springfield]

My wife and I told her we will still have to punish her, not for the knife itself, but for not following the rules in place. I have some workbooks for her grade level that I will have her work on during the day while I work making holsters and stuff. Fortunately I DO work out of the house, be a real pain if I had to take time off work to stay with her all day. At least she now knows why rules have to be followed, even if the rules are stupid. We do not live in an anarchy. I did just cast a boatload of lead balls, I can have her count them out and bag them in 250 piece batches. She sure isn't going to spend the day watching TV.

[freebullet]

Make sure you tell her not to eat food into the shape of any weapon or they will charge her with a felony. What an obamanation, I don't think I could have handled it as polite as you did sir. More and more people everyday cannot comprehend the simple phrase-" Land of the free" . Most nowadays think that says everything's free no work required, or you can have my rights for free. Ridiculous. I would give her another knife and tell her to keep her things to herself. Sorry

[Bad Water Bill]

Your daughter just learned to be MORE careful in selecting friends.

A REAL friend would have made sure no one else knew about the knife.

Yes I carried a knife to school from the time I "GOT MINE" at age 10.

A couple of the NUNS could beat us EVERY day of the week when playing mumbli peg. :bigsmyl2:

Unfortunately it now is more important to conform to the COMMUNIST agenda than learn to work AND support yourself and your family.[smilie=b:[smilie=b:[smilie=b:

[Silver Eagle]

I would check on when the next school board meeting is and attend. Also, look into what it takes to get it removed from her record. Checking with an attorney if needed. You should be able to have it removed either once she turns 18, or when she leaves the school. All schools have an appeal process for suspensions over a certain amount of days or expulsions (fortunately not the case here).
I have a dummy 45 ACP shell USB flash drive lanyard and my son wants one for his. But, he knows the risk of it ending up at school. Sigh... I remember lending my pocket knife to teachers when I was in school. Now, my High School has metal detectors and you have to make an appointment to see an old teacher to get into the building. Also remember selling Hostess snack cakes (Dad worked there) to classmates, teachers and truant officers. I bet that would also be a punishable offense nowadays.

[Ickisrulz]

My high school metal shop project was a hunting knife made from an old file. Times sure have changed.

[Stephen Cohen]

Sad example of the times we live in, as a kid we all carried pocket knives even in school there was not the cut and stab mentality then, as now. But given the problems these days I guess they feel it necessary to make such rules. In this country carrying a knife without just cause is a criminal conviction. Stupidity and solves nothing.

[6bg6ga]

Punishment? No punishment.... Tell her not to carry the knife to school again.

Get yourself a lawyer and see to it that nothing makes its way to her permanent record. This is total bull ****.

When I was in grade school and high school I carried a knife every day and no one had a problem with that. Get the media attention that this deserves and bring it out into the open and expose just how stupid their policy is. Its just a wonder the swat team wasn't called and your daughter taken to jail or worse ...shot.

I think its time that parents be heard again and maybe its time that you and a few other parents make their way to the school board meeting and raise a little old fashoned hell over this minor infraction and the stupidity of the response.

[41 mag fan]

We had a couple of potential "could of been" school shootings here about 13 yrs ago, maybe longer.
My boy back in 1st grade, was A.D.D. , but I was raising him and my daughter at the time, so I was taking them squirrel hunting, as money was tight and a couple of squirrels was a meal back in '97.
Got a call from the Principal, needing to see me asap. So i take off at lunch and go to the school, to find my boy had taken a 22LR off my shelf and took it to school. Needless he thought he was in big trouble, so he started telling the teacher and principal, I made him bring the 22lr to school, and that when we got home in the evening, I MADE him and his sister drink beer.
Needless the principal knew me well and knew he was lying trying to get out of trouble.
But he told me, he could take this as a serious offense, but wasn't going to push it any further.
I assured him Seth would be punished. Told him my idea of punishment and he laughed, and said good idea.
With the boy being A.D.D. he wasn't reasonable, and would do things not realizing the consequences.
So that evening, I picked them up at the after hours daycare, got home, got them started on homework, let them play outside, got their baths going, and acted like nothing was wrong or had happened.
Time for supper, Papa Johns shows up at the door.
I'd figured out a long time before, the way to punish my boy, and it's not hurting him, but he sure thinks it is, was thru his stomach.
Got the pizza out, set it on the table, got the paper plates set out, called them in for supper, and lo and behold there on the boys plate, was 2 good ole bologna sandwiches, no cheese....just bread and bologna, and good ole plain potato chips.
Actually it was the same supper we were forced to eat about 5 days a week, due to my low pay and no support, and $6-11/wk for groceries wasn't much.
Seth asked...I don't get no pizza, I said nope..who got in trouble at school....now you'll sit here and watch us eat pizza. So the whole meal I kept asking my daughter isn't this pizza good, and making comments i think this is the best pizza I ever ate. He had tears in his eyes...but oh well...he never took another 22lr off my shelf again, and didn't take anything to school illegal the rest of his time in school

[Elkins45]

If the pocket knife had been wrapped in a condom wrapper they probably would have given her another one just in case... :)

I was still teaching in '98 when the Columbine massacre happened. Our rural KY school immediately went into overreaction mode and banned knives for students. I continued to carry one. I don't think the principal was very happy with me, but as a science teacher I had a 'legitimate need' for one most days. On occasion one of the boys would approach me before class in the mornings with a scared look on his face and tell me he accidentally carried a knife to school. I would keep them in my desk until the end of the day and hand them back.

These days I would almost be afraid to even do that because I might be named as an accessory if the kid did anything stupid and got caught with it on the bus on the way home. We live in idiotic times.

[HATCH]

The funny thing Springfield is that I am sure you had a knife with a blade longer then 2 inches in your pocket when you went to school to deal with this issue.
By law (well South Carolina law anyway) you are subject to search without cause once you step into the school itself.
And by possessing the knife in the school building you have committed a felony.
Its all crazy.

[Ben]

A child in elementary school was eating lunch and took a cookie and ate the cookie until it was in the shape of a pistol.

They suspended him .

I wonder if it was a " High Capacity " cookie with teflon coated chocolate chips in it ? Aren't those the real dangerous ones ?

Govt. seems hell bent on protecting us from ourselves.

[1Shirt]

It seems to me that the quality of some educators/teachers/administrators, has about hit the bottom of the sewer of common sense and political correctness. Little kids are being twisted and abused by these people to satisfy stupidity and lack of common sense. I think maybe it is time that some parents take some of these teachers/administrators to court for child abuse in that they are causing child trama. A couple of court cases like that might awaken some reality in this country.
1Shirt!

[Maven]

It seems that zero tolerance policies = zero thought on the part of those who enact and enforce them.

[Ben]

I'm a retired K - 12 school principal. The concept of school safety is nothing new to me.

Obviously , I'm all for safe schools. However when we begin suspending 3rd graders for eating a cookie such that it resembles a pistol......well, sanity and reasonableness have gone out the window.

The school that suspended the 3rd grader wasn't any safer after that 3rd grader was sent home.

That child ended up victimized to please the public and show them that the school " was making attempts " to provide a safe school environment.

Seems that the public is putting so much pressure on educators to provide safety that administrators are GREATLY over reacting now.

[Kull]

Almost unbelievable how things have become.

[KCSO]

I went to a one room school house and played mumble peg at recess, now my grandson can't even DRAW a knife or gun on paper at school. Meanwhile they are barricading the school to help prevent a school shooting?

[DLCTEX]

I believe the over reaction to anything gun is a well planned brainwashing program to make guns abhorrent to future citizens who vote. Nothing else explains the continued insanity.

[Baja_Traveler]

They are suspending kids for pop-tarts in the shape of guns now-adays.....

VERY glad I made the choice long ago to not have kids, The country we live in is just to F'ed up right now...

[Case Stuffer]

Post #30 IMO discribes the real issue. We let those with mental/ behavioral isuues determine the policies to be applied to all.

I live in a rual area and one of the columist for our weekly paper wrote around six months ago how things have changed. Use to be that many Juniors and Seniors drove pickup trucks to school with their deer rifle and or shotguns proudly displayed in a gun rack. Now even with a CCW permit not only are firearms fobiden on school property but knives also.

Several weeks ago a Atlanta HS senior took a firearm to school ,had a friend let her in thrugh a non authorized entry and then managed to shot herself in the thigh while going from one building to another. Just how many laws did she break?

Firearms and knives are tools and like any tool can be misused but they perform no harm on thier own and if there were no firearms,knives,clubs, pointed sticks etc.. some would still find other tools to do harm.

I wonder if they still alow those metal compass in school , wodden 12" ruler with a metal edge,a sharpened pencile or heavens forbid a disposable ball point pen with a rather strong plastic body.

[HangFireW8]

Springfield,

Have you spoken to your daughter about unfriending that "friend"? That "friend" needs to learn that stupidity has consequences.

HF

[dakotashooter2]

I have "no tollerance" for "no tollerance" rules...................................FWIW I would have kept my butt planted in the principals office until he gave me the knife back........It takes a few seconds to take a picture.

There have been times when I have seen toy guns on closeout, that I have been tempted to buy a couple dozen and toss them around the school playground at night............................................. ...............;)

[Huskerguy]

In my opinion as an administrator and someone who has taught school law (I am NOT an attorney by any stretch) I would not worry about the records. You should go in to the school and ask the principal or whomever is charge of records what will happen to them. They should not be in any kind of file that anyone outside of immediate school personnel would have access to. Essentially all they are there for is to record an event, the outcome and keep a record of it. No way would these ever, I mean EVER get outside of the school. The parent has total custodial rights over all records. You can request to see your student's records and everything that is in them. You may be surprised to find that this incident is NOT in her permanent cum file. Often times they are kept in a separate file that is not considered permanent. To cover the bases, just call the principal and ask and schedule and appointment to review the records. All the time, just stay calm. I have had about every situation come up one time or another as a principal and I always felt I came down on the side of not overreacting but tried to be fair within the policies and rules of the district.

Someone above wrote about what goes on in some larger districts. It is very scary out there, very scary. In a few weeks this will be over and gone and will be a distant memory and someday you will all be sitting around talking about hunting, fishing, shooting and the good ole days and laugh about it. Hang in there.

[wallenba]

Far cry from my days going to school. Many of us in the U.P. of Michigan then, were excused from early classes to go hunting. We carried pocket knives, the odd .22 or .410 round, and the teachers knew it.

[EMC45]

Soooo thankful my kids are homeschooled. Heck my 7 and 10 year old have their own knives AND guns! Public education is garbage. I call it "concentration camp". I am so glad we made the decision to give our children a better education. The wife was just buying some new curriculum yesterday as a matter of fact.

[R.Ph. 380]

Soooo thankful my kids are homeschooled. Heck my 7 and 10 year old have their own knives AND guns! Public education is garbage. I call it "concentration camp". I am so glad we made the decision to give our children a better education. The wife was just buying some new curriculum yesterday as a matter of fact.

Have they gotten the edict yet that they have to follow "Common Core?" You might want to look it up.

Bill

[YunGun]

Had a vaguely similar experience not long ago; my 13 yr-old daughter had a minor disagreement with one of her close friends after which she allegedly said "I'm gonna kill that girl". She swears that she didn't say any such thing, but of course there were two other 'witnesses', so for the most part her side of the argument was summarily dismissed despite the fact that she's a straight-A honor roll student (carrying A+ grades in most classes) & an active participant in numerous school activities such as band & theater, and is well known amongst the staff for being an excellent student & all-around great kid.
The principal said that although he was inclined to take her side (an attitude that was largely shared by the rest of her teachers and staff), he was concerned that the other kids' parents would make a big deal of it and he couldn't be seen as being biased, so couldn't let her off without taking action. Ultimately she got 1 day of in-school suspension and we had a long talk about how she would unfortunately have to spend the rest of her life dealing with a plethora of idiotic rules & policies that have long since precluded the use of common sense. I still don't think that completely mitigated her feelings of being hung out to dry in this case though, and my wife and I both agreed that if something like this were to ever happen again, we would contest it as long as possible.

[gray wolf]

I believe the over reaction to anything gun is a well planned brainwashing program to make guns abhorrent to future citizens who vote. Nothing else explains the continued insanity.
Nothing more need to be said, the above quote has it correct 100 % everything else is just chatter, sorry but that's the way it is. Why do I say that, Well plain and simple answer is.
I listened to Eric holder on a news broad cast say in his own words.
"" We have to brain wash the children into hating guns,
the same way we did with cigarettes "" What the heck more need to be said ?
Indoctrinate them, let them know guns are evil, let them fear a gun or what it represents.
This is federally mandated to the schools, or they Pull the Carrot away ( as in money )

[725]

Shameful. Time to get involved in the school board elections. Make it your new hobby to oust the moronic mind set these idiots represent. Get your like minded friends involved. I bet there are many in your community that are just as disgusted as you (we all) are with this absurd ****.

[hardy]

As to #55,I sincerely hope Hunting,Fishing and shooting and the good ole days never become a distant memory and not just talked about!Mike

[jcwit]

Nothing more need to be said, the above quote has it correct 100 % everything else is just chatter, sorry but that's the way it is. Why do I say that, Well plain and simple answer is.
I listened to Eric holder on a news broad cast say in his own words.
"" We have to brain wash the children into hating guns,
the same way we did with cigarettes "" What the heck more need to be said ?
Indoctrinate them, let them know guns are evil, let them fear a gun or what it represents.
This is federally mandated to the schools, or they Pull the Carrot away ( as in money )

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Pity what the future holds. Another generation or two and I'm afraid all will be lost. Course I won't be here to experience it.

[shooterg]

Like some above, I used to LOAN my knife to teachers to open boxes, cut string/etc. When the teacher asked if someone had a knife to assist, nobody got excited unless a switchblade came out.
In 3rd grade(1959) a fellow student actually stabbed another for cutting into the lunch line(penknife, about a 1 incher). The stabbee fortunately was chubby. The stabber went to what we useta call Reform School. Nobody ever even mentioned a knife ban. Now we have the schools babysitting the future ne'er do wells instead of sending 'em somewhere else and teaching the kids that want to learn.

[MBTcustom]

Man, that sucks!
When I was in high school, I carried a 44 cap-n-ball revolver on my hip, in a low slung quick draw holster at all times. I'd step out back and shoot 50 rounds every day at lunch, dig out what I could find of the balls, and smash them back into balls with a pair of pliers.
I'd clean my pistol and reload on second break. I never thought about shooting the teacher or my classmates, and they never though anything about my extracurricular activities, or the way I dressed. We were all happy and content.
I was homeschooled. Freedom means more to me and mine than anything. Dad made sure I knew what freedom was, so that I had a standard to judge by. Most folks don't know what they are giving up by going with the system. Kids wings are clipped before they even know how to fly.

[Bad Water Bill]

Had a vaguely similar experience not long ago; my 13 yr-old daughter had a minor disagreement with one of her close friends after which she allegedly said "I'm gonna kill that girl". She swears that she didn't say any such thing, but of course there were two other 'witnesses', so for the most part her side of the argument was summarily dismissed despite the fact that she's a straight-A honor roll student (carrying A+ grades in most classes) & an active participant in numerous school activities such as band & theater, and is well known amongst the staff for being an excellent student & all-around great kid.
The principal said that although he was inclined to take her side (an attitude that was largely shared by the rest of her teachers and staff), he was concerned that the other kids' parents would make a big deal of it and he couldn't be seen as being biased, so couldn't let her off without taking action. Ultimately she got 1 day of in-school suspension and we had a long talk about how she would unfortunately have to spend the rest of her life dealing with a plethora of idiotic rules & policies that have long since precluded the use of common sense. I still don't think that completely mitigated her feelings of being hung out to dry in this case though, and my wife and I both agreed that if something like this were to ever happen again, we would contest it as long as possible.

So it is OK for 2 kids to make up a story about someone else (used to be called LYING in my day)and the HEAD teacher MUST worry about what the other kids parents might think?:twisted:

Time for your daughter to find some new and real friends. That pair would NEVER see the inside of my home again.

[deep creek]

In high school i remember snelling hooks in class with my buddys ,after our work was done.Wed use our knifes to cut the extra leader off.During hunting season we always had guns in the truck and shells in our pockets.We always had knives. When we fought it was always fists.When i take my grandson to school here,or take him something,ive always got my leatherman on my belt and my pocket knife in my pocket to cut bale strings.Nobody says a thing.:D

[Rick N Bama]

One word SUE! Sue the pants off the School Board as it seems as if money is all they understand anyway. I'm really thankful that my Grandchildren are all homeschooled! Yesterday's "life" lesson for my 12yo was Welding taught by his Dad. Afterwards he had a test in loading & shooting his Flintlock:)

Rick

[x101airborne]

You need to attend a PTA or School Board meeting and taking an attorney along to sit in might not be a bad deal. Contact them ahead of time and request the administrator who enacted the suspension be there also. They CAN require staff and faculty to attend in Texas.
Best of luck to you and yours.

[TheCelt]

Sorry you and your daughter are having to deal with ******** like this. Kids ought to be able to enjoy life till they're at least 12 before they are confronted with **** like that. Sounds to me like you handled it well Springfield, now ya'll ought to consider moving someplae where they have a little more common sense. South of the Mason-Dixon line and East of California ought to be about right.

[RoyEllis]

I would have felt silly without a pocket knife in school, only way I've sharpened a pencil in decades! During dove season there were at least a few shotguns in cars & pickups so dove hunters could get a quick hunt in on the way home.

Yep! Carried a lock blade folder every day on my belt starting about 6th or 7th grade. Had some great coaches thru jr high & high school, many of us carried cased shotguns or rifles & a sack of shells on the school bus, stacked them in the corner of the principal's office til school was out for the day. We had 3 coaches that would load a bunch of us in the back of their P/U's after school & take us dove hunting or deer hunting. Not a one of us would've dared even think of mischief with our guns @ school. If somebody "bullied" you, it was settled with some knuckle sammiches behind the cafeteria, not plotting to kill as many classmates as possible. But then none of us grew up with a sense of entitlement, heck I was in my 20's before I knew what "politically correct" meant!
I think today's system is fostering a bunch of lily-livered sissies & mental midgits who can do nothing but runn around with their hand out, "hoping for a change".

[gwpercle]

I'm not afraid of the zombies...but the MORON's are breeding, reproducing and becoming stronger all the time . It's the MORON's I'm afraid of.

[psychicrhino]

Pitiful just pitiful.

[w0fms]

Sigh.. bringing in a pocket knife to school going on the permanent record. Well hopefully it says "pocket knife." Hell, you can now carry those on an airline... It's a tool and not a weapon for @#$@# sake...

But who cares. Will that keep her from getting into college? If so, then we have more troubles than that (and it'll make college irrelevant which is happening anyway, and I have a BSEE and an MBA myself). But educators now drive me batty. I couldn't deal with them because I couldn't get them to do their job even when directed to by the state, and the attitude I always got from them is that the school system was for their benefit not the childrens. So I did what I always do when you want a job done correctly-- do it yourself.

Sadly enough that's becoming "radical and evil".. how dare you be independent.... I do feel for my children.

[dakotashooter2]

Sadly in cases like this the school is just as likely to send a kid down the wrong path because of their actions. This kid, having no intent to cause harm will now be watched and treated like a criminal.... When kids are treated like a criminal guess what.... they often turn into criminals........

[firefly1957]

Sorry for your trouble i am sure you got a list of the schools rules look them over and see if it is covered, If it only mentions weapons ask for a list of what weapons are it may not actually exist and a knife is also a tool. Good luck talking top a school board is often worse than talking to a wall many of them think they are god and if you question their authority it is not beyond them to further punish your children. Your point on the punishment not fitting the crime is a valid point but many involved in education today have no concern for anyone but themselves.

[Recluse]

The problem isn't "intolerance" or "zero tolerance."

The real problem is OVER-tolerance.

In reading the experiences of one poster about all the pure rabid trash he has parading around his school, the problem is that we tolerate that behavior, but to appease our guilt, we slap "zero tolerance" policies on the good kids and then enforce them to the hilt.

You see, we can always make excuse for the scum of our society by blaming alcoholic parents, absentee dads, drugs, economic disadvantages, puke puke puke.

And the bleeding anus libtards and ACLU and Jesse Jacksons will eat it up and support it and rally behind it and Jerry Rivers (Geraldo Rivera) and Dr Phil and Dr Oz will get on television and explain to the Peggy Bundys of America why these little scumbag hoodlums are ENTITLED to a bottomless barrel of second and third chances.

Meanwhile, the good kids whose parents have raised correctly are given zero tolerance. Eat a cookie or poptart incorrectly and you're suspended. Point your finger, you're suspended. Write about shooting a rifle at summer camp and you're suspended.

Zero tolerance.

We, the good people have had zero tolerance slapped on us because the libtards know we'll take it. Oh, they know we'll grumble and growl about it amongst ourselves and pontificate at meetings and the such, but at the end of the day, we'll sit back and take it.

So therefore, zero tolerance works.

It also works because we tolerate the little hoodlum scumbag pieces of sewage that terrorize our schools because we will not stand up to the bleeding anus libtard education administrators and communist teachers.

Towards the end of my LE days I was in grad school and was also substitute teaching a couple of days a week as part of a class. In an inner-city, all black school, I had a little fifteen-year-old punk getting all jacked up in class and I ordered him out. He refused so I grabbed him by the arm and drug him out in the hallway. In the hallway, he pulled a bonafide switchblade knife out and and slashed at me twice. His technique was such that I had zero doubt that this kid had inflicted some serious damage on other people in his young lifetime.

I had the choice of shooting him as I was armed, but instead on his next thrust, I took the knife but in doing so, broke his little wrist and he squalled like a stuck pig.

The principal (black and radical) had a conniption fit and called the police, which made me laugh. The principal had no idea who my employer was--he thought I was just another grad student substitute teacher. He was shocked and then outraged when the police showed up and said, "Hello, Marshal. Whatcha got?"

The cops thought *I* had called them. I had two of them take the kid off and book him for attempted capital murder and the principal jumped in my face then shoved me against the lockers, causing the other two cops to quickly arrest him while I waved the big badge with the eagle on it in this guy's face and explained what all was about to happen to the boy and to him because I had my own zero tolerance policy.

Even as they were dragging this *** principal off, he kept calling me a racist and telling me he was going to sic the NAACP on me, puke puke puke.

I went back in the classroom and continued teaching.

Wanna know how much trouble I had the rest of the day? Zero. Those kids, the bad ones, tread REAL lightly around me and the entire school for the rest of the day. The good kids opened up and were more academically active than I'd ever seen them.

I went back and taught at that school several more times--by REQUEST of the new (black, female and very sharp) principal and the students loved it. Oh, I got the jokes and the whispers, but fact is, the kids felt safe and they also respected me because they knew I wouldn't take any **** from anybody but I wasn't doing it with a chip on my shoulder. A lot of these kids came from really lousy homes, the projects and elsewhere but they KNEW that an education would get them out of their situation.

My zero tolerance is for the punks and especially for those who coddle them and make excuses for them. I don't give a damn what their problem is. Separate them from the herd and put them in jail and let the kiddie shrinks figure it out because I'm more worried about the kids who WANT to learn and excel, but the punks ruin it for them.

We have this whole stupid tolerance BS completely backwards.

:coffee:

[RoyEllis]

Recluse, I believe your post is a shining example of why you are a writer & I'm not nor ever will be....your succinct and spot-on summation takes all my thoughts & verbalizes them to perfection!

[dkf]

I got out of school suspension for leaving school my senior year. I don't know what an excused day off was supposed to me, I enjoyed it. Birds chirping and all. I don't put much faith in school records. Well maybe if you want to get into some snooty fancy college. I spent enough time in school and college to know how the mindset of the staff is. Heavy democrat with no real world experience and it only gets worse in college. I find it real hard to take advice from anyone whom basically has spent their entire life in school.

[tinsnips]

What has happened to our country when I was in high school in the 70s we took guns to school an keep them in our lockers . An as I recall no one shot anybody ever.

[Ozarklongshot]

I too hunted on the way to school and if we couldn't break down the shotgun to fit in our locker we just trotted it down to the principles office till the end of the day and hunted our way home. That was in the mid 70's.
Heck I got a good deal on some switch blades several years back and gave one to each child for christmas. They were 9, 11 and 13 years old at the time. Guess I'm one of the "bad" parents. My kids have had guns in there rooms since they were very young. They are all grown now and one daughter is a combat medic and another is RSO All still use firearms all the time. Not a one has ever committed a crime.

I would never tell another parent how to discipline their children, punishment though?? I guess I would have just had a stern conversation

[Elkins45]

Have they gotten the edict yet that they have to follow "Common Core?" You might want to look it up.

Bill

Not to be contrary, and I'm generally a Glenn Beck fan, but he's all wrong about Common Core. How he has managed to find communism in a set of reading and math standards is beyond me. I work in education and I can tell you they aren't dumbing down the standards. In fact they are quite the opposite...they are quite a bit more rigorous than most state standards they replaced.

I do think he may be right about the data mining, unfortunately.