A Califormia Caster Question

[Beekeeper]

Like the title says this question is for casters in California so if you do not live here please do not give your usual off the wall comments!!!

Due to the Usual Nanny State politicians trying to get new gun laws passed what if anything are you doing to insulate yourself from what will happen if they get their way?
And please do not say joining the NRA which has written off California many years ago and offers absolutely no help for anyone here ( except to take your money as usual)


beekeeper

[waksupi]

I think you should go to the NRA/ILA site and see what the NRA has been doing in California, before you make that statement.

Jackson et al. v. City and County of San Francisco (USDC ND CA)

Maikhio v. California

Millender v. Los Angeles, California

Peruta, et al. vs. San Diego et, al

Jennings, et, al. v. BATFE, et. al,

[TXGunNut]

I was going to recommend joining the NRA and supporting the ILA. I guess joining and supporting an affiliated state organization would be out of the question as well. Quite frankly there is little one person can do but well-funded organizations full of hard-working individuals can accomplish much more than any of us could do on our own.

[jmort]

Realistically, the courts are our only option as the majority is determined to send this once great stated to a perpetual state of disgrace. Since that is what the majority wants, I am free to leave and intend to do so as soon as my daughter is done with school/college.

[knifemaker]

I am another boolit caster in CA. that says you should reconsider you joining the NRA as they have not written off CA. Also there is state organizations that you can join to have collective voice about your firearm rights. Convince your friends to stop voting for liberal politicians that inact these insane laws while taxing the **** out of us.

[Kull]

You should support the NRA and places like The Calguns Foundation. As far as isolation goes I'm already about as isolated as you can get.

[plmitch]

I do not support the NRA but happily support state and local groups and politicians here. We can change one sheep at a time here.

[M27]

You should support the NRA and places like The Calguns Foundation. As far as isolation goes I'm already about as isolated as you can get.

I agree on supporting the Calguns foundation.

they were huge in stopping SB249

also look at the firearms policy coalition, they are doing some great stuff and are a great source of information on current proposed bills

[Beekeeper]

Well leaving the State is not an option for me due to wifes health.
That said other than supporting local organazitions what personal things have you done to save or protect what has taken a lifetime to aquire?
If and I say If they PTB's here in the nanny state decide to take away what we have spent a lifetime collecting what steps have you planned to take to protect what you have?

I am at the point that now is the time to start thinking about the above instead of waiting until it happens and then use hindsight.


beekeeper

[runfiverun]

well you could go out on the porch and shoot your
oh wait, that only works for the biden family.
i'm trying to stay outta this.
but I do have to ask why you would want to cast more Californians?

you have the same options we all have.
barricade the place and shoot it out, or hand over your guns.
the only other options you have is to band together and shoot it out politically or [and then] literally or hand over your guns.
pretty simple really.

[Plate plinker]

Not joining the NRA is like not voting because he's not the candidate you wanted.

[koehn,jim]

If you do not want to join one of the pro-gun groups your choice is to contact the politicans direct. They will listen if they get enough mail and phone calls. Your next option is to save for the court case that will follow any of these bills. The last couple have been overturned by the courts and these will be as well. You can also asak the Governor not to sigh them.

[hithard]

Seriously, stand with the NRA and any of the california gun groups.You have everything to gain and everything to loose!

Don't be blinded by not liking everything they do, what in life is 100 percent all like. United we stand, devided we beg!

[HighHook]

Beekeeper, I also feel the same way as you do. NRA ,CG and lots of letters to ones that matters. I feel like a small fish in a large ocean of big hungry fish...:kidding:

[cbrick]

Hhmmm . . . Don't like the NRA huh? I'll bet that you like not having your guns a whole lot less than you don't like the NRA now. But that's your choice. It's also why/how the democraps have gotten as far as they have.

You can't leave because of your wifes health, I feel sorry for you. That was my planning ahead for what your experiencing now . . . I left while the leaving was good. I stayed a lot longer than I wanted but I had little choice but to wait on my pension. With my job/industry Los Angeles based I was stuck but I took a cut in my pension and retired early and got out.

Rick

[Whiterabbit]

NRA-ILA, CGF, and CRPC.

I send my congressman emails and somehow ended up on a spam list from a senator in Los Angeles?

Leaving is not the answer. That's like stacking the deck in other states that already have a winning hand. I'm not ready to give up on CA yet. We have 38% registered republicans (not the landslide Dem area people think it is), and we have a growing Dem population that realize if they DO stand for freedom (to kill babies, to smoke pot, to do what "feels good") then they have to stand for the freedom to own whatever they want, own scary guns included.

People think the strip of CA by the ocean is the whole state. It's not true. We have more red counties than many other blue states.

The way to win is to stack the deck HERE and turn the tide. And there are plenty of us who plan to do our part to see that happen. The answer is not to leave, the answer is to get as many conservatives to MOVE HERE as we can. And convert anyone else fed up with the nanny state.

[dakotashooter2]

I think they should all buy an extra can of powder, get together and pack it in the San Andreas fault, and touch it off............................................... .............(after moving back a safe distance...like east of the Rockies)...;)

[cbrick]

Well Whiterabbit, optimism is a good thing, it really is. Thing is that in addition to optimism there is a thing called reality. Stop and consider how many of these good conservatives you will need to convince to give up/register their guns for the privilege of paying the highest taxes, living with everything regulated, highest housing prices & property taxes, groceries, electric rates, gasoline, crime and everything else some of the highest in the country. Reality is harsh but it is reality.

In answer to the OP question, I looked at reality and got out, escaped, moved back to America. That's how I handled not only gun regulation but the regulation of EVERYTHING including you. Good luck getting anywhere near enough conservatives to move there, this conservative ain't going back. I can tell you one group that is moving there in fairly large numbers, those that know it's one of the highest paying welfare states. Yep, that group will vote conservative huh?

If I tried to live on my pension in CA I would be homeless simply for the amount of money the state would be sucking out of me before I had a dime to live on.

Rick

[Whiterabbit]

Hi Rick,

I've seen you post many times in every CA topic I've found, berating the state. Maybe it's justified, there's plenty of space in Eden for all of us. CA isn't for everyone, just like Maine, FL, or WA isn't for everyone (or DC, Chicago, NYC....) You certainly make no bones about your exodus. Nothing wrong with that.

I make no judgment. But we both know the CA is a breeding ground for attitudes of entitlement, and THOSE people go on exodus too. These attitudes have to stop also, and as many of us say, we have to clean house first if we want to put a stop to it. Can't clean house from outside the state.

If you think it's a lost cause, that's fine. But fortunately we have our own set of organizations and communities here dedicated to expanding and preserving 2A and hunting and shooting.

[Kull]

I understand why people leave. I never will. I moved back to California after spending the majority of my life in other states. Honestly it's a shame we can't hack this state up in to two or three individual states. The majority of the time when I see comments on California I think what the hell place are they talking about.

[Whiterabbit]

id rather see the state unified. I'd rather see places like SF get denser, packing the libs in there like NYC. Let the bread and butter places, like the central valley breadbasket get more red. Convert areas that have manufacturing red, like those inland to OC, companies like Boeing, silicon valley with its solar plants, silicon manufacturing (what is left), areas that Chevron is based in and the like, get them more conservative. They have money, and money protects money.

Even the young crowd may start to "get it" with people like Mark Zuckerburg not being a total granola publicly.

They are talking about the blue strip along the cost. When people "play tourist" here, they don't go to Visalia or Bakersfield, they go to Hollywood or San Fransisco. They intentionally choose the dark blue bastions of the state. I say it repeatedly, CA is far more than the strip of blue by the ocean! Far more!

I don't judge the rest state of Illinois based on the actions of Chicago, why would anyone judge CA by the city of SF?

[opos]

I moved here from Colorado in the 60's..Both were pretty conservative then and both have become the lairs for ultra liberal politics. I'm older and with many issues we can't (and frankly wouldn't) move. We have learned to live comfortably within the often nut laws and the reason we can do that is there is no way that all the crazy things that are "working" here be enforced. I had occasion to talk with the California DOJ several months ago and it took 4 department changes and at least 6 "employees" to just get a simple answer. With that kind of "enforcement capability" I'm not sweating much. We don't get visible with things and don't slap the bull on the nose but we also live our lives much as any free American can live theirs. My deal is if I do get 'caught" I'm too old to ever make it to jail with the lead times on court, the appeals, etc...

Seriously we have spoken through various organizations..we always vote...we write our politicians and do not expect anyone like Feinstein or Boxer to ever share our views...Feinstein is an old woman and can't make it much further...Boxer is so tied up in her own personal financial dealings she's not very visible these days. One thing we have done since there are some Senators and representatives here that will never even think of supporting my ways is to find a strong Senate candidate or Representative candidate in another state and support their campaign...Helping to get one of them elected may help to swing the national balance in the Senate and House.

We have a super majority in California in the liberal controlled Assembley and Senate. Anything here is going to get settled in the courts and that's where the organizations come in...they have the voice and power to be involved in the court battles.

Don't get an ulcer or have a stroke...just support your views the best you can, enjoy the weather, hit the mountains or the beaches and breathe deeply (remember any air you can't see is air you can't trust). San Diego is a great place and we get a boat load of tourists every year because it is so nice...we have a statement here "tourist go home but leave your money and your daughter".

[Cane_man]

i found this site and started to cast my own... besides reloading, joining the NRA, voting for pro 2A candidates, or moving out of state, what else can you do to you to control your own destiny here in this communist regime?

[Whiterabbit]

Support your local gun shop. Make sure they keep their doors open.

[cbrick]

Support your local gun shop. Make sure they keep their doors open.

What part of CA are you in?

Have you been in a gun store within the city limits of Los Angeles in the last few years. LA city covers a huge area of So. CA and there could be one left somewhere but I don't know of it. Why are they gone? Nope, the city didn't ban them. Instead they taxed and regulated them right out of business, one after another gone. Even a store in Northridge called the Reloading Center, they sold no guns, no loaded ammo only reloading tools and supplies and what a store that was, they had everything, anything for reloading. Gone now, taxed and regulated right into Arizona.

Yep, of course we supported them right up until the time the taxes & regulations made it not viable and forced Cliff T. to shut the doors. There were times when Cliff spent more time at city hall than in his store.

Rick

[Whiterabbit]

San Jose. I avoid SF and LA at all times. Not the cities. The counties. In the same way if I lived in IL I would avoid Chicago. Or if I lived in NY I would avoid the city.

[462]

I'm a native Californian, still live in California, and have seen the state's slow but steady decline to its current condition. I understand, completely, what Rick and Whiterabbit are saying -- I see both sides of the coin. Moving is always a consideration, but not always possible (Rick's optimism versus reality).

There aren't any quick fixes for California's myriad problems, other than Margaret Thatcher's truism. California's socialistic experiement has been on financial life support for a few years, now. Given time, the experiment will prove a failure, just as it has everytime and everywhere it's been tried. The question is: Do we conservative Californians have the patience and the wherewithal to outlast the experiment?

[Springfield]

There is at least one big gunstore in the LA area, called Walker '47. They are big into cowboy action shooting which is why I know about them. I also live in San Jose and with 60 miles of my house thre are at least 10 gunstores. Within 15 miles are 5 gunstores and 2 indoor ranges, 3 private outdoor ranges, plus the big County gun range. We don't have as many rights as some other states but if things don't turn around the Federal Gov. is going to make the rest of you just like us, so you will have moved for nothing. My family is here, I have lived here most of my life and I will stay and fight to keep things as normal? as possible. Running away just delays the problem, doesn't solve it.

[cbrick]

Moved for nothing? Not hardly, guns and gun rights are only part of the equation so even if obummer and fineswine get their way still lots of reasons to move. Electricity here is over 250% less than CA, my yearly property taxes here would not pay a single month property taxes in CA. The purchase price of my home here just outside of town on an acre of oak trees would not even make a down payment on a city lot in CA. Groceries here are far cheaper simply because the store isn't paying the insane taxes & regulations they do in CA and that is across the board, not only groceries. The $180.00 a year I paid in CA for lic plates is $30.00 here, auto insurance is half here.

Yep, there are lot's of reasons to get out and Margaret Thatcher's truism applies, the state of CA will have to find another source of income to replace what I will never give them again.

I too lived in CA from the mid 60's up until the last day of February 2012 and saw what was one the best places in the country turn into one of the worst. Optimism is wonderful but I doubt any of us posting here will live long enough to see CA turn around, it will get much worse there before you see any improvement.

Rick

[Cane_man]

i would move if i could but my potential retirement income is too far tied in to this state

[Beekeeper]

Well as usual it has turned into a pi$$ing contest!!
I asked a simple question and now it has turned into "blow up the State"
Bomb the San Andreas Fault and let it slide into the ocean.

I simpley asked " What as an individual" you know personaly could I do " Here at My Home" to insulate myself in some way against the comming Nanny State Laws.

I asked for Californians who live here to answer and give me their take on it!
I guess Like on some other areas of the forum that I will not ask questions anymore I should stop posting here as well. That is a shame since to me it was a simple question needing only a simple answer.

Cbrick,, not everyone has the opertunity to leave and unless you moved to Texas I am sure you will do OK whereever you are.
But as I said I have no choise but live here.
My wife has Dementia and most places do not know how to treat her other than a care facility.
Like the Military oath I swore , I swore an oath to her "till death due us part" so running away isn't an option.
Your views on California are well known here on the forum so unless you have something constructive to add please refrain from posting again on this post as all you do is contribute your usual vitrol!!


beekeeper

[plmitch]

I do live here in CA and thought my answer was simple enough.

[Kull]

I simpley asked " What as an individual" you know personaly could I do " Here at My Home" to insulate myself in some way against the comming Nanny State Laws.

Get the hell out of southern California, or out of the state entirely. That's my simple answer.

If that's not possible than the only thing you can do is make your political stance known by writing letters and supporting the various organizations already mentioned.

[jmort]

Beekeeper, I feel for you brother, but having lived here exclusively for well over 50 years, I honestly believe you cannot bash California enough. We seem to have a monopoly on stupid ideas. If it were only the stupid gun laws I could deal with that. But add to that CARB smog laws and engine NAZIs, stupid gas cans, mercury light bulbs, dumb a$$ toilets and shower heads, regulations and taxes up the wazoo. I'm with Cbrick and I hope he keeps on posting, as again, I really don't believe you can bash this blow-hole enough. Knowing more of your situation I will be praying for you every time I see a post from you or think of you. This too shall pass.

[Springfield]

I guess what we are saying is you CAN'T really insulate yourself against the Government anymore. They are pretty much everywhere. It's not like you can move into the woods and live with the indians like it was the 1700's. The best thing you can do is become more politically active, fight for your rights and try to educate as many fence-sitters as you can by being a good example. The true anti-gunners are beyond reach due to their stupidity and close mindedness. When I was still working a regular job I talked to many people about shooting. If they were at all receptive I took them to the range. I got one guy form England to become a gun guy, last I heard he was still shooting with a bunch of his buddies every week at the range . He had never shot a gun before he met me. And I have recruited 5 members into our cowboy action shooting club, 3 of which had never shot before and 2 that hadn't shot anything in over 20 years. Just be patient and rational and some can be brought over to our side. You just have to show them we are a bunch of normal but self reliant people, not a bunch of knuckle draggers.

[cbrick]

If and I say If they PTB's here in the nanny state decide to take away what we have spent a lifetime collecting what steps have you planned to take to protect what you have?

I am at the point that now is the time to start thinking about the above instead of waiting until it happens and then use hindsight. beekeeper

I agree with you, that scenario is coming in CA and soon.


Well as usual it has turned into a pi$$ing contest!!
I asked a simple question and now it has turned into "blow up the State"
Bomb the San Andreas Fault and let it slide into the ocean.

I simpley asked " What as an individual" you know personaly could I do " Here at My Home" to insulate myself in some way against the comming Nanny State Laws.

I asked for Californians who live here to answer and give me their take on it!
I guess Like on some other areas of the forum that I will not ask questions anymore I should stop posting here as well. That is a shame since to me it was a simple question needing only a simple answer.

Cbrick,, not everyone has the opertunity to leave and unless you moved to Texas I am sure you will do OK whereever you are.
But as I said I have no choise but live here.
My wife has Dementia and most places do not know how to treat her other than a care facility.
Like the Military oath I swore , I swore an oath to her "till death due us part" so running away isn't an option.
Your views on California are well known here on the forum so unless you have something constructive to add please refrain from posting again on this post as all you do is contribute your usual vitrol!! beekeeper

There was no vitriol in my posts and my posts were constructive to answer your question. You asked (see your quote at the top of this post) what steps you planned to take to protect what you have. I explained what steps I took and why. Pretty simple huh? It's not just my views on CA, everything I said is fact, not opinion. My choice may not be to your liking but that changes nothing, you didn't ask for only answers that you would like. That pesky reality thing.

News flash . . . CA is not the only state with excellent medical facilities. Sit there and complain or do some research & find out or not, there is always hindsight.

What does Texas have to do with anything?

If a bit of reality grates on you so bad there is always the ignore button.

Rick

[Kull]

It's not just my views on CA, everything I said is fact, not opinion.

No doubt the details and reasons you mentioned are fact, for the place in California you were at. Just saying. Things like price of electricity, groceries, homes, etc, vary greatly by location.

[jmort]

The firearms laws apply state wide. The stupid laws on lead bullets (soon to apply state wide), gas cans, shower heads, toilets, light bulbs, cars, engines, taxes, regulations, indoctrination, whatever, all apply state wide. I lived on 20 acres until last year when I was forced to sell, where I could shoot anytime I wanted as long as I wanted. I live in a bitter-clinger area so that part is different, we believe in God, family, guns and everything else that liberals hate. Yes there are some very nice areas with good people, possibly the majority of the California land mass, but take LA, Bay Area, a mass of illegal aliens, and the rest of the liberal coast, mix in the highest taxes in the USA, and an insane level of regulation, and you have a less than worthless state. Like many, many others and businesses, I hope to vote with me feet in the next few years.

[Olevern]

They have money, and money protects money.


Not a germane point when talking about the peoples freedoms. These lib. democrats think that they are above the rest of us; they believe that the ruling class will always be able to enjoy the freedoms they deny us. Not much different than other countries run by tyrants in history.
Yes, they have money, which is safely parked overseas to protect them from the taxes they impose on us.

This bunch of liberal narcissistic personality types set goals in their lives much different than the average middle class person. First is wealth, which gets them into the club (ruling class). After they have, either thru inheriting it or achieving it on their own (some are born into the club), they set their sites on power, the next step on their ladder of success or their bucket lists. That power, that control over other's lives drives them and reinforces their sense of self worth/value; most even see themselves as "saviors" of the unwashed millions, benefactors if you will. They will tell us how we must live our lives as we are not capable of making good decisions ourselves.
Case in point; Mayor Doomburg of New York City deciding we need to not be able to buy fried foods fried in oils that have transfats, then deciding we needed to be protected against our poor decisions to purchase soft drinks over a certain size, and it goes on and on. These idiots no doubt go to bed thinking they have fought a good fight for the people in protecting them from themselves. Of course, all the things they "protect" us from, they, because of their superior intellect, have a right to decide for themselves in their particular situation.
No, an influx of money into the state will not do anything other than sustain the pols. lust for other peoples money to maintain their power a little bit longer by financing their purchase of loyalty of that class of people who have been convinced that they are entitled to others money. Better the money move out of the state and bankrupt it so that the buying of voters stops at some point because the state runs out of other peoples money. It will eventually happen country wide anyway, when the vultures have stripped our once proud countries dead, dried bones and there is nothing left of our economic system. By then the country will have fallen into such chaos that even the Mexicans will return home for economic opportunity.

[dakotashooter2]

I understand why people leave. I never will. I moved back to California after spending the majority of my life in other states. Honestly it's a shame we can't hack this state up in to two or three individual states. The majority of the time when I see comments on California I think what the hell place are they talking about.

This is actually a really good idea. CA is too big and the libs who seem to have the majority vote but occupy only a small area, control the whole state. Splitting CA would probably also have a huge effect on the presidential race by splitting the large number of electoral votes................

[Olevern]

This is actually a really good idea. CA is too big and the libs who seem to have the majority vote but occupy only a small area, control the whole state. Splitting CA would probably also have a huge effect on the presidential race by splitting the large number of electoral votes................

Which is exactly why it will never happen. They are trying the same just north of here in NY state, never happen,Dems have control of ALL the electoral votes, why would they allow the outvoted upstaters to vote some conservative when they can just drag the rest of the state along with NYC and Albany?