How many grains in a pound of lead?

[dlbarr]

I believe I've heard that 7000gr = a pound of BP, but that's a volume measurement. What is grains per pound in a weight measurement of lead?

Also, scrap lead sells @ .85/lb at a local scrap metals yard in my location. Is this a reasonable deal? :?:

[Springfield]

It is not a volume measurement, it is a weight measurement. 7000 grains of anything equals one pound. Lead, powder, wheat, whatever. As for the lead price, around here it is a decent price if the lead is reasonably clean, not if it is a bunch of old plumbing pipes full of deposits. Kinda depends on what is available in your area and how much you need it. I'm full up of WW type lead but I still pay a good price for very soft lead as I mostly shoot BP.

[Frozone]

http://www.asknumbers.com/PoundsToGrains.aspx

Now you know. I'm ashamed of such a question from my home town -BTW there is NO "Tri cities" WA. It's Pasco, Kennewick and Richland, you only live in ONE not all of them.

[MtGun44]

The grain is not volumetric, as stated.

Bill

[dlbarr]

OK...my mistake. I was under the impression that grains could be measured both by volume & weight, as ounces are. Appreciate the correction.

[357maximum]

do not fret ...I knew a feller that thought grains of powder involved counting them....he had an old lyman reloading manual, but I am damn glad he never ventured any farther.

[Norbrat]

Volume ounces are fluid ounces, or the volume of one ounce of water.

So they are really a derived unit, like a litre is the volume of one kg of water.

[geargnasher]

Dram has a volume meaning as well as mass, but IIRC it's liquid volume. Maybe that's what you were thinking.

Gear

[dlbarr]

Now you know. I'm ashamed of such a question from my home town -BTW there is NO "Tri cities" WA. It's Pasco, Kennewick and Richland, you only live in ONE not all of them.

Frozone, I do that in order to retain some anonymity when I ask embarrassing questions.

[Wolfer]

Well how much heavier is a lb of lead over a lb of feathers?

[Green Lizzard]

1 grain =1 plump grain of wheat 7000 of them in a pound

[btroj]

A grain is a unit of with in the avoirdupois system of measurement. It is 1/7000 of a pound.

A dram, as Gear mentioned, is also a unit of mass in that system of measurement.

A dram can also be a unit of volume equal to 1/8 of an ounce. It is used today in medicine to signify a teaspoonful, which is 5 ml in the metric system.

Pharmacy school can be helpful.

[dlbarr]

So...after all this, 1 lb of lead will yield approx 17 405gr bullets. I have to buy many many lbs of that scrap lead here IN THE TRI CITIES, WA.

[Norbrat]

Well how much heavier is a lb of lead over a lb of feathers?

Depends. The lead would FEEL heavier if you drop it on your foot! :mrgreen:

[Wolfer]

You can get more shots from a lb of feathers. I once loaded a 12 ga shell with breast feathers when we were doing a lot of dove hunting. Slipped it in my buddy's gun and the look on his face was priceless.

[geargnasher]

A grain is a unit of with in the avoirdupois system of measurement. It is 1/7000 of a pound.

A dram, as Gear mentioned, is also a unit of mass in that system of measurement.

A dram can also be a unit of volume equal to 1/8 of an ounce. It is used today in medicine to signify a teaspoonful, which is 5 ml in the metric system.

Pharmacy school can be helpful.

I was going to mention the avoirdupois system but I couldn't remember how to spell it, thanks for refreshing me. General Inorganic was a class I took a loooooong time ago.

Gear

[runfiverun]

you learn the avoirdupois systen when converting shotshell loads from black powder measurements.
that's where the 2-3/4 and 3 dram equivelant smokeless loads come from.
that is still shown on a box of shotshells nowdays.
2-3/4 dram equals 1150 fps and 3 dram is 1200 fps.
except in a 20 guage then 2-1/2 dram is 1150 fps.
i wish i didn't suffer from CRS i could give a history ,but it has to do with some french dude.

[Frozone]

THE TRI CITIES, WA.

Now you got it right. It's "THE" tri cities, and that's fine.
Just don't do that lazyliberalfromoutofstate onlycamehereforthenukecleanupmoney BS 'tri city' thing ;-)

Those of us who grew up in Franklin county don't care much for Benton.
That all got started in the 70's when a bunch of TV news people came in from Kalifornia, they just didn't get the 'THE' thing and started calling it 'tri cities'.
No amount of correction, and there was a lot, could beat it out of them.

[fouronesix]

I can visualize someone counting the individual "grains" of powder in a 1 lb can.

The operative word in the shotshell load nomenclature is "equivalent".

Don't get me started on "weight by volume" either. Nor, unless you live in Europe, using grams instead of grains. :)

[KYCaster]

You can get more shots from a lb of feathers. I once loaded a 12 ga shell with breast feathers when we were doing a lot of dove hunting. Slipped it in my buddy's gun and the look on his face was priceless.


I've seen that a couple of times.....don't know where those shells came from....[smilie=1:

Best one I ever saw.....dove shoot on my grandfather's farm....I was just a kid retrieving dead birds.....Mom's cousin laid his gun down and went to get a sandwich out of his truck. My uncle (Mom's brother) slipped a couple of ringed shells in his gun...(see here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU to see what I'm talkin' about)

The next two birds that passed his stand exploded in a ball of feathers. He couldn't understand why there wasn't anything left to pick up.

I know nobody said anything that day....they weren't going to own up to a prank that backfired. I don't know if anybody ever told him what happened.

Thanks for the memories.

Jerry

[429421Cowboy]

do not fret ...I knew a feller that thought grains of powder involved counting them....he had an old lyman reloading manual, but I am damn glad he never ventured any farther.

I too have had that question asked of me, it is a rather ligitimate question if one has never seen powder i suppose, but scary none the less!

[lreed]

Yes but a pound of lead outweighs a pound of gold by four oz! lreed

[btroj]

Not really. Gold is sold in Troy ounces, 12 to a pound.

For our European friends there are also 65 mg to a grain.

[johnnybar]

Back to the OP's volume in grains mislead.....
Likely you or a fellow sportsman mistook the use of a black powder measure marked in grains as an indication that grains are volume. In actuality, black powder measures are volume based estimates of the equivalent weight, in grains, of black powder. The actual weight dispensed will vary from the measures setting with changes in brand, granule size and method used to fill the measure as it relates to settling of the granules.

[Shiloh]

do not fret ...I knew a feller that thought grains of powder involved counting them....he had an old lyman reloading manual, but I am damn glad he never ventured any farther.

Ya mean you don't count them??[smilie=1:

Shiloh

[rintinglen]

Well, an ounce of gold is heavier than an ounce of lead, but a pound of lead is heavier than a pound of gold. Stuff like this makes one understand why some folks prefer the metric system.

[Hardcast416taylor]

A pound of lead vs. a pound of feathers? Depends on how big the chicken is.Robert

[1Shirt]

Ok, then when is a pound not a pound: It's when you buy a pound of powder! Because, the pound weight includes the weight of the container that the powder comes in. So if you are figuring X number of loads at a given charge weight from a 1 lb. can of powder and you are getting X by dividing into 7000 you are going to be appreciably short. A lesson learned the hard way.
1Shirt!

[Jim]

Ok, then when is a pound not a pound: It's when you buy a pound of powder! Because, the pound weight includes the weight of the container that the powder comes in. So if you are figuring X number of loads at a given charge weight from a 1 lb. can of powder and you are getting X by dividing into 7000 you are going to be appreciably short. A lesson learned the hard way.
1Shirt!

That must be a very recent change. I bought a pound of Red Dot a month ago and on the bottle, like every other pound I've bought, is

NET WT.
1LB. (454g)

[btroj]

I'm calling BS too Jim. I looked at a month old 8 pounder of 2400 and it is 8 pounds NET WT, not gross.
If it was gross weight they would be using far heavier containers, bet the plastic bottle is cheaper than the powder they put in it.

[runfiverun]

maybe he bought the 9oz bottle of trail boss.

[Errokk]

1Lb is 1Lb, period. 7000 grains in 1Lb. Can't get any more simple then that.

[waksupi]

Yeah, but what's a henweigh?

[btroj]

2-3 pounds

[Errokk]

Depends on the hen.

[btroj]

I was speaking of a premarital hen. Put a ring on it and it will weigh 25 pounds.

[Mal Paso]

Yeah, but what's a henweigh?

Less than a Steinway of course. [smilie=1:

[runfiverun]

you didn't take a henweigh in trade for some loobe grooves did you?

[sirgknight]

sometimes, not enough!