The 32-20 WCF Revisited

[9.3X62AL]

I started work with the 32-20 again today. I've had the good fortune to line up molds #311316, #311419, and 313631 for this caliber, and I'm starting with #311316 sized at .312", which is about .0005" larger than its throat. Seated with the case mouth even with the bottom of the front drive band, the cartridges load through the magazine smoothly and just barely kiss the rifling origin. Just a slight hint of a crimp is applied.

First load will be 11.5 grains of Reloder-7, which is +/- black powder velocity and full density. 50 of those will compete with 25 each of a couple other powders, type and weight undecided at this time. This first load is likely around 1150-1200 FPS, so I'm thinking one load at 1300-1350 and another at 1450-1500 might be nice. A Tuesday test drive is anticipated.

[Bret4207]

Al- IMHO you have the single , all around best boolit for the 32WCF in the 311316. GC's are a pain, but worth it with this design. If I can remember I'll try to find my data I used for my Savage 23 bolt gun. Had wonderful grouping and devastating rsults on prairie dog size red squirrels.

[9.3X62AL]

Bret et al--

That 80%+ meplat on the #311316 will likely whack the daylights out of whatever critter encounters it. I hope to be able to wring some accuracy out of this rifle with cast boolits. The Mountain Molds plain-base flat nose just did wonders for the revolvers--hopefully, these Lymans will follow suit in the CCL.

A short note about the Starline brass in this caliber--they don't appear to be much thicker than the usual W-W/R-P stuff, but just the slight strengthening makes a world of difference. MUCH better brass than the mainstream makers produce, for sure.

[9.3X62AL]

I ran 100 rounds of #311316 sized at .312" using 3 powders--10.0 x 2400, 11.0 x IMR-4227, and 11.5 x RL-7. None of the results were spectacular, but the 2400 and 4227 loads weren't real bad. The RL-7 loads were quite forgettable. I used small rifle primers, so I think next trip we'll use small pistol primers in these dinky cases--and see if the castings do better sized at .313". Dunno if there's enough diameter to support that sizing, though.

Before these casings get processed, I'm going to run some of the Lyman #313631's from the mold. These should drop fatter, and I may give them a try alongside the 311316's.

[Sky C.]

Hello Deputy Al-

Keep the updates coming! I have a Browning 53 that I'm just starting to work on loads for. It's currently wearing the original sights and that in itself is a challenge for me. My initial playing around showed best results with charges of 2400 also - running in the 1650fps range has given best groups to date (best groups were running 1/2" horiz. x 1 1/4" vert.). Need to play more with charge weight to see if running faster or slower will settle the vertical stringing - though again - that could be sight picture.

Groups with other powders were going over 2 " - by the way my testing is at 50yds.

Have tried:
2400 - best so far
AA 9 - lousy
W-296 - lousy
SR 4759 - poor
AA 1680 - will test more
Blue Dot - a slow lot I gave up on since it was so far off from the load data I had.
AA 7 - poor

Bullets tried are a Mountain Mould design I had Dan cut - GC design going about 110gr., .3115" (smaller than I'd hoped). Lee Soup can - not as good as the MM.

Have recently acquired 311316 and 3008 moulds that I need to test.

I think I need to try Beagling the moulds to go to a larger dia. to see if that may be where some of the accuracy is hiding. I've got no leading going on - but I think the chamber will accept larger than the .3115" which is as large as they drop now.

Good luck with your efforts-

Sky C.

[9.3X62AL]

The 1894CCL has the buckhorn sights on it, and while they are certainly a useful system for hunting--they lack precision for target shooting work, especially since my 50 year old eyes are already stepping to the plate with an 0-2 count before the first pitch gets thrown.

The 32-20 rifle deal will be a parallel project with the 25-20 cast boolit masochism already in progress. I have some Remington small pistol primers that have (until now) had only one mission in life--to light off 32 ACP loads in an old Steyr 1908 pistol with weak firing pin strike, since the Remcaps are softest and least brisant of all the pistol primers out there. Lots of comments on these calibers indicate that small rifles primers may be too much of a good thing in the hyphenated Winchester "little rounds".

The powder picture is a little fuzzy for me in both calibers. 2400 is kind of a "go-to" powder for me in a LOT of cast boolit applications, and early indications are that it shows promise. I did a "what the hell" lot of 15 rounds in 25-20 using 8.0 x WC-820, Dacron, and Lyman #257420, and they shot VERY well......naturally, the lot I had the least number of did the best work that day. That load will get re-visited with a couple others and the lighter primers.

In the 32-20, I'm thinking the revolver-level loads might need more pressure for the powders to burn efficiently, to that 1600 FPS level you're discussing. A taste more diameter, a bit less primer brisance, and a bit more powder might do the trick in both calibers.

[JSH]

Al, I have played with the 32-20, aka 30-20 for a few years with various bullets. I had used, notice the "had" as in pastense, 110 grain-190 grain full length gas checked bullets in this. I have some load data that was done by Sierra in the late 80's or early 90's for more modern type guns, .308 bores. This may give some insight to powders and loads for you?
Once I switched to cast I didn't know where to go on loads, so I just backed off a grain from a proven load. I am suprised that the AA#9 was not working for one of the above gents. It is still one of my better loads.
I was looking for a really light load with a medium weight bullet,311410 in my case. I couldn't make up my mind what to do. Looked at a lot of data for some what similar calibers, with 357 mag or 38+P loads being a max. Well a fellow had mentioned in passing somthing about 3-3.5 grains of bullseye being a dandy for 38's. So I loaded a few with 3.0 of Bullseye and a few with 3.5. I have not shot any off of the bags yet, but initial results were what I was after in the recoil department with a pistol. I would rank them right around 22mag or less in recoil.

NOTE!!! I WOULD NOT RECOMEND THESE IN A RIFLE. As you may lodge a bullet.

I still have some fooling to do with this one. Figure I will go no more than 4.0.
Also I have used some WC820, using AA#9 data. Results were fair but not up to what I have come to expect from AA#9.

I passed up an old tubular magazined bolt action 32-20 Savage years ago, am still kicking myself.
Jeff

[9.3X62AL]

I got the Lyman #313631's poured today, along with a few other castings I was running short of. These fell from the blocks at .313", and look like a real nice boolit for both the 32-20 rifle and the 32 Magnum revolver. SOMETHING needs to prompt those 311316's to do the right things. I haven't run any of the 311419's yet--those may have to wait a while.

(I owe a couple folks some of the RCBS 6mm 95's, and those got poured today too. They will get sent next week while I'm restricted to indoor activity due to some medical stuff.)

[omgb]

I have a Browning Model 53 that i just picked up the other day. I just can't imagine how the Italians are getting $1,100 for a '73 knock off when one can get this little beaute for under $800 unfired. I mounted a Marbel Tang sight and will be testing my loads tomorrow. I have WW cases and some Remington cases from 25 years ago as well as some modern loades from Black Hills. In the hand loads I put 9.5 and 9.0 grains of 2400 under a Laser Cast bullet (tapered plain base) I used small pistol primers as I had a bunch on hand. As a side note, I also found a stash of once fired WRC 32 WCF brass. Talk about thin case mouths.......

I also have a Lyman mould that drops a gas check bullet (311316) but my Hornady 30 cal GC don't want to fit. Is there a trick I don't know about?

[omgb]

Thought I'd add one more thing. I am using 2400 also for two reasons. First, Elmer keith swore by it in the 32-20. I think his load was 10 grns under a 115 grain Lyman sized 113 without a GC. So, I figured I'd start there. Second, I have two pounds of the stuff. I was up in MT last week and bought it for $16.00 a pound. Here in the PRK it's about $22.00 per lb. I could have gotten Unique for the same price but Unique always seems wo burn so dirty. Any way, that's my reasoning. However, none of the new manuals list 2400 as a choice in the 32-20. Go figure.

[moodyholler]

I shoot 8.0 grains 2400 in mine with a 115 PB bullet and it shoots well in my antique 1892 Winchester. But my 1889 Marlin and Hopkins & Allen Single Shot will not shoot the same load. I am still experimenting with them. moodyholler

[9.3X62AL]

Alliant 2400 has become just about my most-used "go-to" powder for cast boolit shooting, both in handguns and rifles. I've used almost 3# of it since January!

I have the same problem with Hornady checks and Lyman shanks in 30 caliber, and with Hornady 25 caliber checks/Lyman #257420. I've found punches that slightly flare the "lip" of the check just a tiny bit, and the problem is resolved. The 30 calibers get a "tap" from an old Lee Loader 38 Special case mouth flaring punch, and the 25's get the same treatment from the round end of the RCBS 338 neck expander spud. It doesn't take much of a whack to get the flare you need.

[brian]

I've been using the Lyman 311316 in my Marlin 1894CL in 32-20 along with the Hornady 85 gr. XTP/HP for varminting. Both work well. My CB load is 15 gr. of H110 , WSR primer, RP brass. CB sized 0.314". Gray's #24 lube or LBT Blue Soft lube. Hornady gas check. Bullets are cast of Linotype and measure right at 22 on the BHN scale. If using WW I'd drop this load down to 12 gr. of H110 but keep everything else the same. If I recall the 15 gr. load clocked out in the 2000 - 2200 fps range, I'll have to check the notes. The jacketed load is the Hornady 85 gr. XTP/HP over 18 gr. of H110 and the WSR primer and RP brass. about 2400 fps if I recall, again I'd have to check my notes to be sure. Good varmint load as the bullet is driven about 3X it's design speed so it fragments easily. No richochets. Good luck. I'm finding the 32-20 to be one of the more fun calibers to plink with. Jim T has some silent but deadly loads in his articles on the 32-20. With factory or equivalent light loads the noise is not too much, nor is the recoil so it's fun to plink with. Even with the full throttle stuff it isn't nearly as obnoxious as most of the rest of the centerfire calibers in terms of muzzle blast and noise. The worst part about the 32-20 is not being able to shoot it as much as I'd like to, and Lyman not making a 4 cavity 311316.
best regards,
brian

[omgb]

Went out this A.M. and fired a few rounds and here are the results:

Lgt wnds from over the shoulder, temp 85-90 rh 76%+

I cleaned the bore and fired 10 shot strings with about 1 minute between shots. Black Hills 115grn FPL 1. 1132, 2. 971.3, 3. 1126, 4. 1010, 5. 979.3, 6. 990.3, 7. 969.7, 8. 1003, 9. 985.7, 10. 968.2
Group size at 100 yards was 2.5" with one flyer. rcoil and nose were virtually non-existant

I cleaned the bore again and fired this string: WW cases, CCI small pistol primers, 9.4 grns Alliant 2400, 115 laser Cast Lead bullet (tapered base)
1. 1713, 2. 1397, 3. 1667, 4. 1673, 5. 1671, 6.1674, 7. 1666, 8. 1652, 9. 1683, 10. 1654

Groups size at 100 yards was 10" or worse. no flyers, just a whole bunch of mostly lateral dispersment with maybe 3.5 inches of vertical dispersement.

My guess is that tapered bullet is just not making it. 2400 was very consistant though, far more so than the Black Hills loads yet it just wouldn't group. Cases extracted well and the primers were still a long way from being flattened.

For those just tuned in, the rifle is a Browning Model 53 with marbel tang sights. These were the very first rounds fired through it. I felt kinda bad deflowering this little beauty but dang, this gun was made to shoot not hang on a wall.

[JSH]

What twist are most of these rifles? Also is the bore a true 32 or are they slugging more like a 30 cal?
Jeff

[Four Fingers of Death]

I spoke about one of these rifles recently. The serial number is 794426. When was this one made? It has the normal Winchester new haven, etc on the octagonal bbl.

Appreciate any help.
mick.

[9.3X62AL]

My Marlin 1894CCL has 1-20" twist, groove diameter is .311", throat about .3115".

[omgb]

I juust slugged my Browning. It came out at .311

[omgb]

I just had a brainstorm. I have a whole box of these Lasercast 115gr Bevel Base bullets that don't shoot worth a dang in my rifle. So, what to do with them? Well, I decided to try and gas check them so as to remove that pesky bevel base. Using Hornady 30 cal GCs and my Star .311 sizer, I put the bullet into the die nose first. This centers the base. I then slip on the GC. The taper built into the die centers the GC on the base. I am using a punch that has been modified for gas check seating by having the center section milled out a few thousandths leaving only an outer rim to push on the check (ala Paco Kelly and Veral LBT Smith style) Any way, the .311 die matches my bore perfectly and since the bullets start out at .313, taking them down to .311 really sets that GC on the bevel base perfectly. Friday I'll see how they shoot.

R J

[9.3X62AL]

Be careful using a chronograph when firing bevel-based boolits that have GC's installed. The checks WILL part company from the boolit, and WILL strike the face of a downrange chronograph and render it hors de combat. Permamently. A buddy of mine from work learned this first hand with his Chrony and Hornady checks so installed on some commercial cast bevel based 158 SWC's in his 357. The rounds were accurate as hell, and as he commented--the GC's did a great job of harvesting his Chrony, almost tipping over the tripod from the impact. Penetration into the faceplate was about a 1/4". almost dead-center in the display.


I just had a brainstorm. I have a whole box of these Lasercast 115gr Bevel Base bullets that don't shoot worth a dang in my rifle. So, what to do with them? Well, I decided to try and gas check them so as to remove that pesky bevel base. Using Hornady 30 cal GCs and my Star .311 sizer, I put the bullet into the die nose first. This centers the base. I then slip on the GC. The taper built into the die centers the GC on the base. I am using a punch that has been modified for gas check seating by having the center section milled out a few thousandths leaving only an outer rim to push on the check (ala Paco Kelly and Veral LBT Smith style) Any way, the .311 die matches my bore perfectly and since the bullets start out at .313, taking them down to .311 really sets that GC on the bevel base perfectly. Friday I'll see how they shoot.

R J

[Bret4207]

OMGB- With the 311316, the BEST32WCF boolit thus far, you sometimes have to take a thumb nail to the GC shank. There's a little ridge left there and the 30 cal GC's want to hang. The hotter I run my mould the more ridge I get, but the better a boolit.

If I was ever going to go for a 6 cavity custom of my own it would be the 311316. Someday I hope to find a single cav and HP it. It's not really needed as this design tear''s up small game a bit when you pass 14-1500fps, but for revolters the HP is supposedly a magic answer to accuracy, according to some folks at least.

Also, the 32WCF has a habit of SHORTENING during the first firing. Honest, I've seen it a bunch of times. You WILL have to trim after the first fire forming loads with new brass. I haven't seen too much of this with Starline brass, but with Remington or Wimchester I have to trim, not a lot but it is needed. This isn't anything I discovered after countless hours at the range. Ken Waters mentioned it, rather crypticly which is rare for him, in Pet Loads. I solved a lot of mystry flyers once I started trimming.

[omgb]

I found a load that my B53 really seems to like. Using WW cases, Win small pistol primers, Laser Cast Bvl Base 115 gr. FN sized .313 and 7.0 grns of Aliant 2400 here's what I got:
1440, 1269, 1287, 1249, 1254, 1354, 1305, 1254, 1446, 1288

With one flyer, all of the shots went under 3 inches at 100 yards. I am certain that this can be improved. I'm going to try sizing them at .312 and see what gives. Adding gas checks did not help nor did switching to Universal. In fact, 3.6 grns of Universal keyholled 3 of 6 shots. Not much mind you but the bullet was obviously sufftering from pitch/yaw instability.

9.0 grains of 2400 and a Lyman 118 grn 311316 GC at .311 clocked the highest velocity. The varage of ten shots was 1625 fps with no leading. Group size was around 4 inches.

I'm wondering if using a mag primer might help things. What do you guys think?

BTW, the Lyman mould had to go back to Lyman for repair. I bought it off of Ebay and it turns out that the spru plate is warped and that the alignment pins were driven into the blocks too deeply creating alignment problems.

[McLintock]

I'm new here and been reading the thread about 32-20's and didn''t see any reference to an article I found by John Taffin on the 32-20; has some good information, so thought I'd throw it in as a lot of his results should work well in rifles.
Try http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt3220.htm. In it, he's working with both a Thompson Cntender in 32-20 and an Old Model Ruger Blackhawk converted to 32-20 by Hamilton Bowen. Taffin found excellent results in both guns with 12.0 grs of H4227, but also found H110 and WW680, as well as the old standby 2400 to work well.
I'm working with a 32-20 hybrid myself, an Old Model Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine that I'm shooting 32-20's blown out to Carbine specs. I'm currently shooting a 12.0 gr load of IMR4227 and 13.5 gr of H110 in it with good results. You have to do a little extra on the reloading side to shoot this combo, but it really makes a 32 Magnum Magnum. I use a NEI 115 gr gas check bullet, sized to .311 with these loads; accuracy with plain base bullets went to pot in a hurry after a certain point. Also have two New Model Ruger's in 32-20 that shoot the 12 gr 4227 load very well, or a 4.3 gr of Titegoup with plain base bullet for plinking. I'm going to be shooting them with Black Powder shortly; have the loads made up but haven't tried them yet. I have a Lyman 311008 mould for that app.

[waksupi]

McLintock - welcome aboard.
I had a .30 carbine revolver years ago. It was one of the most accurate pistols I ever had. But the NOISE! My gosh, how come that round is so noisy! I image yours is a real earsplitzenzeboomer, too!

[McLintock]

Howdy Waksupi and thanks for the welcome. Yeah, I've always heard the .30 Carbine was a real ear splitter, but I've never fired mine with .30 Carbines in it, so can't say from personal experience. The 32-20 Improved or Rimmed 30 Carbine I'm playing with isn't very bad at all, except when I first tried loading it with a fast powder like Titegroup; 6.0 grs of it was all I wanted to experiment with. The slower powders like 4227 and H110 seem to do the best at full power and don't crack your eardrums to badly. I was just out today trying hotter loads of IMR 4227, going from 12.0, 12.5, 12.7, 13.0 and 13.5 with ten shot groups and none of them were bad noise wise, but I could definitely feel more recoil as the load increased. Accuracy seemed best around 12.7 to 13.0 grs. Got to find my chrony (recently moved and it's packed away) to see how fast they were going, but Taffin's 12.0 load went 1350 fps in the Blackhawk he was using. I have two cylinders for the gun, the original .30 Carbine and a second one with opened up throats for the larger bullets. Thanks again for the welcome.

[9.3X62AL]

30 Carbine Blackhawks are right blasty, all right. Welcome to the loon lounge, McLintock!

My revolver work with the 32-20 has been limited to "conventional" cartridge ballistics--100 grainers to 1000 FPS, and more recently 115-120 grainers to 900-1000. Once the 115s get kicked past 900 FPS, the report gets noticeably more pronounced. This is not especially high pressure, so I don't know what causes this effect. Same powder as the other loads, SR-4756. But run it to full value (in S&W M&P x 5"), and they announce departure vigorously.

[jethrow strait]

McLintock, I shoot all the BH calibers, but have to say that the 30 Carbine has been the only 'challenging' one of the lot. Course, I started off with extremely high expectations, fueled in part by gun-writer purple prose. Only Ruger revolver I own that actually shoots full-power factory j.... loads better than anything else. Drives me right up the wall!

I've gone your route, in a simplified way. I found that Starline 32-20 rims fit just fine, so I just resize the brass in Redding 30-20TC dies and shoot 30cal. boolits without modifying the chamber mouths. Haven't worked with it much yet in this variation, so your report was much appreciated.----jethrow

[McLintock]

Thanks Al for the welcome, and I didn't mean to hijack your lever gun post with pistol stuff but the loads should be good rifle loads as well. It may be the short barrel (5") that causes some of the blast with your S&W, the Blackhawks 7.5" tube probably helps in this respect. Then, getting the right burning rate powder so not much is being blown out may also help. My 4227 and H110 loads all leave the barrel shiny bright with no left over powder or any kind of fouling I can see. All I use for ear plugs is the little round cylindrical yellow ones (cheap), that I got used to wearing while operating heavy equipment, so would probably notice excessive blast if it were a problem. I sure do when I'm at a rifle range and someone's shooting a big boomer, ear splitting type.
And Jethrow Strait, I wanted a true .32 so I went to the extra trouble just for the heck of it. I resize in .30 Carbine dies, then neck size only the first quarter inch or so with 32-20 (case wouldn't grip the bullet at all with just the .30 Carbine sizer), expand with a 32-20 die and go from there. With the bullet I'm using I had to shorten the cases a few thousandts to fit the front band in the chamber, but it all works pretty good. Only case I've lost is a split neck, no case separations or anything like that. There were concerns on the RugerForum that case separations might be a problem. Finished product looks like this, compared to a 32 H&RMag on left, a plinker 32-20, a 12.0 gr 4227 gas check 32-20 and the Improved 32-20.
http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL206/1303399/7384995/99286033.jpg

[9.3X62AL]

Most of my 32-20 WCF experience has come through revolvers, and those things can drive you up a wall with their resistance to consistent internal ballistics. An article about 25 years ago by Ken WATERS in "Handloader" yielded some tips to making them behave in the wheelgun--case length consistency and use of SR-4756 powder being chief among them. With these caveats, I've managed to get decent accuracy from a Colt PPS, Colt SAA Bisley, and a S&W M&P.

While the stated ideal of the hyphenated Winchester calibers like the 32-20 is the possibility of using the same loads in a rifle and revolver, I think it's somewhere between an epiphany and a miracle for the same load to work well in both platforms. Revolver loads for most wheelguns should not exceed blackpowder load levels, and many of the light carbines and rifles in 32-20 can have their ballistics safely enhanced through judicious handloading. That said, I have yet to try any #311316's through my revolvers--so if the boolit does well in the rifle at BP speeds (1200 FPS), I'll surely give the same loads a run in the revolvers. Gas checks in revolvers at those speeds are kind of gilding the lily, but worth it if accuracy results.

Loads for the T/C (really a 30-20) are an entirely different third animal, it looks like to me.

[Bret4207]

On the 32WCF with 311316- I finally went and looked up my favortie load. 9.0 SR-4759. Under an inch at 50 yards in the Savage 23. I have'nt considered shooting this in my 32WCF Army Special. I'm stillusing 9.0 2400 in that one. SR-7625 also works in the revolter, but I'd have to look up the load.

[cobbmtmac]

Some time back I started looking for 32-20, CB loading data. I read and copied a lot of very good info from the previous sight. I am a newcomer to this sight and today I read the "32-20 revisted" thread. I do appreciate all this info & copied it.
One thing that caught my attention is, Brian's post of 8/8/05, where he lamented that he could cast much faster, and subsequently he could shoot more if only Lyman, made a 311316 4-cav mould.
Brian as a result of the previous sights postings, I felt that the 311316 was highly rated by many EXPERTS for the 1892 Win. I planned to load for. So I set out to find one and low and behold a Mountain Man in Utah, was advertising a 4-Cav 311316 Lyman mould on eBay. His only complaint was it dropped the boolits at .314 to .315. Well this worn out 1892 in 32-20 that I am loading for, mic'd out at .3125 in the narrowest spots. I needed to size at .313 or maybe larger just to see if it would shoot. Getting to the chase, I bought this 4-cav 311316 and it works like a dream. It looks new and drops boolits as advertized. Since it was the first or second mould I looked at, you could have told me they were common. Anyway this actually belongs to one of my B-in-laws, (not the one this board). He just loves to shoot at reactive targets and we both do what I consider quit well at cans and clays. I did get him to go to the Bench and shoot 2 groups at 50yds. the best being 1.7" and the other about 2.5". using 3.6grs. of ReDot with cornmeal filler. Looking at the bore I would have been surprised at 3-4". We are now using 8grs. of 2400 as I don't like fillers. The best group so far was about 2.30".
Anyway maybe you knew that Lyman once made a 4-Cav in 311316 mould. Mine is marked Lyman 3122 on each side and of course 311316 and at the bottom of each side it is marked 15. I don't remember the exact cost but I think it was near $90. including shipping. I think there is at least one more out there.
Hope this helps, Mac

[brian]

cobbmtmac,
I know that Lyman at one time produced 4 Cav. 311316 but I haven't found one yet that was either in decent shape or I could reasonably afford. Yet. I'll keep looking. I still have some fine tuning on the 311316 load (WSRP, 15/H110) as far as seating depth, etc. I think with a little tweak on that I might improve groups more. Right now it's 2" at 100 yards. Not bad, but since the Jacketed type will smaller groups, I think some more tweaking on the 311316 load is in order. It's sure fun to shoot. I'm sure there are several "H110 like" powders to try in the 32-20 for those seeking max power loads, and they may or may not be better, but I use H110 in several other calibers so will likely stick with it and try and get the most out of it in terms of performance and accuracy.
If I ever take up the cowboy action shooting stuff, then I'll look at a FB mould and modest pressures, but for now I want my 32-20 for hunting and the extra zip is appreciated, though on some critters I agree that a more sedate version of my loads would be a wiser choice.
Enjoy your 32-20, it's a neat little CB launcher.
-brian

[JeffinNZ]

For a really different twist on the .32-20 I built up a Martini action one a few years back using a .303 British barrel with a 1-10 twist and put a silencer on it.
I had been hunting hares in a plantation using a silenced .22 rimfire and subsonic ammo but grew tired of the low energy load not dropping the large high country hares.
I had a Mod 92 at the time that wasn’t getting any use so sold it and the .22 rimfire and built the Martini.
The fast twist barrel allows me to shoot heavy bullets accurately at subsonic velocities but does well with regular .32-20 bullets also. Some of my loads are:
311008 over 3.4gr Unique, 970fps – good quiet bunny load.
311466 RN over 4.3gr Unique, 1020fps – good target load.
311466 FN over 5.2gr 800X, 1030fps – very good hare/wallaby load for short range.
NOTE: I had my 311466 mould opened up to throw .315 in WW and one cavity made into a FN.
311316 over 15gr H4227, 2000fps – fantastic on hares etc out to 100m+ Not so quiet this one but very good at leveling game!
All these loads run to 2 MOA or less with all the cast being WW but the 311316 loads I heat treat the bullets in the oven.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/JeffinNZ/Shooting%20stuff/100-0023_IMG.jpg

cheers
J

[9.3X62AL]

Last time I ran the 32-20, I used fairly heavy loads of 2400--10.0 grains with the #311316, 11.0 grains with the #313631. The buckhorn sights on the 94 CCL aren't the best for wringing out accuracy, but at 50 yards you could see the 10 round groups with the 311316 ran 25%-30% smaller than did the lighter boolit. I've only just started with this little rifle, but the results with the #311316 are a hopeful beginning--and better than the first attempts with the cranky damn 25-20!