Horses shot in pasture

[Charlie Two Tracks]

I wonder what they would have done in the Old West.
http://wqad.com/2013/01/29/iowa-man-accused-of-shooting-horses-in-pasture/

[P.K.]

Johnson County Sheriff Lonny Pulkrabek said Grafft fired about 20 shots into the pasture. One horse was killed and two more were wounded.

Grafft was charged with shooting a rifle over the highway, reckless use of a firearm, second-degree criminal mischief and injury to animals. He was held in the Johnson County Jail in lieu of $17,500 total bond.


Speechless....Tox screen should be an interesting read. In my old stomping grounds around a rather horse rich environment depending on which farm he was shooting at would have started an International Incident with any number of oil rich nations. Not to mention run in the high 6 low 7 figures with the death and injuries to the animals.

[montana_charlie]

Grafft was charged with shooting a rifle over the highway, reckless use of a firearm, second-degree criminal mischief and injury to animals. He was held in the Johnson County Jail in lieu of $17,500 total bond.
A little Googling reveals that the criminal mischief charge is a Class D felony.
In my mind, any conviction for a gun-involved felony should include permanent removal of the person's right to keep and bear.

CM

[Olevern]

They needed to put him in jail for his own protection. Were they my horses, well, better he just stay in jail; never know what kind of accidents one might meet up with.

[x101airborne]

They needed to put him in jail for his own protection. Were they my horses, well, better he just stay in jail; never know what kind of accidents one might meet up with.

Darned skippy.

Never know when one might slip in the kitchen and accidentally get shot. Repeatedly.

[Charlie Two Tracks]

The owner was interviewed before they found out who it was and said it was probably a kid who had watched too many violent videos. I thought that was pretty darn good of him. Sounds like he was a gun owner.

[cbrick]

Amazing the level of stupidity some people possess, even more amazing is their eagerness to prove that stupidity to as many people as possible.

Rick

[smokemjoe]

This is about 70 miles from me, on TV he stated he was driving around shooting, They have 2 very fine shooting ranges there he could of went to, shooting a mans pet is shooting a family member to me. Thank god he didnt go to town and started shooting.

[smokeywolf]

Many a horse has become food for people. Too bad it can't work the other way around.

smokeywolf

[gunfan]

Stupid young ones. Someone needs to have a few broken bones. If this were to occur, every time the weather changed, he would be reminded of his transgressions for the rest of his natural life.

Scott

[41 mag fan]

Many a horse has become food for people. Too bad it can't work the other way around.

smokeywolf

I like that idea! Might not feed the horses, but a hog would sure enjoy him

[Bulltipper]

Not sure I could control myself so well, my 2 Cayuse are family. Looks like time to go feed and love them up a bit.

[waksupi]

I remember years ago, some PETA types were arrested for shooting livestock during hunting season, to get the hunting shut down. That was near Kalona I think, so not far away from this whack job. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City have been liberal cess pools for years.

[Glassman66]

When I was a kid, someone shot my shetland pony in the field right by our house. They shot him right between the eyes, never did find out who did it. He was solid black and I called him Bill Pony. I was really upset for quite some time.



Randy

[Gator 45/70]

I see nothing that a 1'' rope could not solve !

[xs11jack]

They aught to give him 20 years and then probation for the rest of his life. Forfete owning arms , voting, etc.
Jack

[Artful]

Stupid young ones. Someone needs to have a few broken bones. If this were to occur, every time the weather changed, he would be reminded of his transgressions for the rest of his natural life.

Scott
31 is not a young one - it's an adult and in the old west that would be hanging offense.

[bayjoe]

I had my good using horse shot in the belly. He died a very painful death. I know a disgruntled employee shot him. Never could prove it, but I did fire is ***. Some of the guys saw him from time to time. He turned into an alcoholic.

[AricTheRed]

In french I'd call this guy "Copter Le Duche!" (it is a visual here folks) I think even the french who eat horses would agree this guy is a pitiful excuse for a person.

[Gee_Wizz01]

In South Texas where I grew up he would probably be MIA.

[starmac]

In any ranch country I've been around, that cat had better make himself very scarce, if he didn't want to disappear.

[429421Cowboy]

I never have understood what exactly makes people sick enough to do things like that to livestock, or game animals, just sick and twisted. I have had calves get shot in summer pasture from people going down the county road, generally with .22's, i honestly think they just want to see what happens. Too bad they don't wanna see what happens if i ever catch up with one of them. I think same treatment is fair, you go stand in a field eatin' dinner and let me roll up and pump a couple lr slugs in your guts.
Something about a horse makes it even worse, they helped bring us to where we are today, and continue to serve as faithful draft, riding, therpy and companion animals, we owe them more than they do us.

[Idaho Mule]

429, I keep sayin' they need to make the punishment fit the crime, then make 'em PAY!! But the rest of the bleedin' heart country won't back me on it. This whole world would be a lot better off if they would make prison more uncomfortable. The way it is now it is so much easier for someone to "be bad" and get a free ride on the taxpayer's dollar. I say give them a little more incentive to "

[Idaho Mule]

I blew something up there, sorry. Not apoligizing for what I wrote just the two messages. We need to make it tougher on people that do **** like that and make it "easier" for them to go the right way. By easier, I mean like breaking horses to ride, breaking steers to lead, dogs to work, etc... JW

[Wal']

Its just sad that so many today are disconected from reality & basic human feeling's, it would not be long before someone in my area explained it all to him.

Our horses were also the reason our land down here was able to be explored & settled.

[Iowa Fox]

This is 6 miles from me. One of the ranges (Matsels) my favorite was closed last fall because of nuts shooting over the burm toward a residensial area. Hawkeye range is very close to this incident. A couple of weeks ago it had a grass fire behind the burm because the nuts were shooting tracers over the burm, took quite a bit from the fire dept to put it out. At the last Cedar Rapids gun show there were some pretty creepy people buying things. That town has gone to heck, no jobs and the low life is moving in. The news says this creep could get up to 13 years, I hope he does.

[220swiftfn]

Years ago someone hit mine with either a higher end pellet gun or a .22 from a distance in the chest (horse survived, but was a mess to patch up). I'd have to agree that there should be more than there is for punishment, as someone else stated, it was a lynchable offense in the past.......


Dan

[smokeywolf]

Back in 1973, in California I believe the penalty of hanging for cattle rustling was still on the books. Last I heard, in Florida, hanging was still on the books for stealing a horse.

People's behavior are controlled by two things, conscience, and fear of the penalty for wrongdoing. In order to keep people with marginal consciences from committing offenses against their neighbors and fellow countrymen, the penalties must be so severe, so horrifying, that the thought of having to suffer it makes a person sick to their stomach.

The laws have become ineffective because the penalties are no longer frightening enough. That is why people with no conscience to guide them, like this guy, did what he did and that is why 0bama and so many other politicians dare to subvert the Constitution and conspire against the American people.

smokeywolf

[P.K.]

429, I keep sayin' they need to make the punishment fit the crime, then make 'em PAY!! But the rest of the bleedin' heart country won't back me on it. This whole world would be a lot better off if they would make prison more uncomfortable. The way it is now it is so much easier for someone to "be bad" and get a free ride on the taxpayer's dollar. I say give them a little more incentive to "

Back in 1973, in California I believe the penalty of hanging for cattle rustling was still on the books. Last I heard, in Florida, hanging was still on the books for stealing a horse.

People's behavior are controlled by two things, conscience, and fear of the penalty for wrongdoing. In order to keep people with marginal consciences from committing offenses against their neighbors and fellow countrymen, the penalties must be so severe, so horrifying, that the thought of having to suffer it makes a person sick to their stomach.

The laws have become ineffective because the penalties are no longer frightening enough. That is why people with no conscience to guide them, like this guy, did what he did and that is why 0bama and so many other politicians dare to subvert the Constitution and conspire against the American people.

smokeywolf

There is only one direction to look to for the light sentences and "Punishment must fit the crime mentality." Many, many sentences regardless of the crime or perpetraitors history have been mitigated by none other than the ACLU.

Quoted in the National Federation for Decency Journal, September 1988. Page 9.

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

Roger Baldwin, founder of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Just another facet of American life that a rich, handwringing liberal has used wealth and influance to promote a progressive agenda...

[Col4570]

A sick man,a danger to society if he feels he must shoot at something living he might go that bit further and target a human.Lock him up and throw the Key away.

[Bad Water Bill]

Well my grandfather WAS a Texas ranger. One time they went after seven horse thieves. Grandpa got shot so did not see the outcome of the fight. A year later he was in the same desert area and found 7 skeletons with hands tied and BOOLIT holes in their skulls. Sorry there were no trees around and at that time ranger justice was SWIFT and they had NO repeat offenders.[smilie=1:

[Blacksmith]

I would be pleased to cast some replacements for those rangers. What caliber would they like? Too bad they are no longer with us.

[Bad Water Bill]

Sorry but I have it covered.

Grandpa used a Winchester 94 RIFLE in 38-55. I know as that rifle is now MINE:) and I cast and shoot it from time to time.

[dakotashooter2]

A little Googling reveals that the criminal mischief charge is a Class D felony.
In my mind, any conviction for a gun-involved felony should include permanent removal of the person's trigger fingers and right to keep and bear arms.

CM

Fixed it for you.................

[Bad Water Bill]

"fingers"

Man how many are you going to lop off?

[Hawkeye45]

Horses, or other domestic animals, are NOT fair game for anyone. In a course I taught for many years someone would always ask when it was alright to use deadly force. My response was " you can take my stuff, but if you threaten my family or animals, you will not make it out the door!!

Ed