455 webley nose lube??

[buck1]

Does anyone know what the lube on the noses of the 455 webley is? I thought it was alox but now Im not so sure. Its harder, thiner and black. and may predate alox??
The ammo is factory 455 fieochi's , or something like that.
All in all, a fun little round in the webley #5, Thin rim is a bummer.
Thanks...Buck

[Buckshot]

............Since this is modern made ammunition, I'll bet it's some type of dip lube that had a volatile carrier. Kind of like Rooster Jacket, or even Alox but with a waxier makeup.

.............Buckshot

[Leftoverdj]

There once was a lube called Bullet Master on the market. It was moly d in a single base exposy resin carrier and very effective, but a bear to apply. Looked like a coat of black paint when dried. Could that be what Fiocchi used?

[buck1]

It could be ? Its thin and hard and jet black.
My intrest in it ,is that its hard and dry.
I was thinking about lubing bore ride rifle bullet noses with it. It would be good for hunting conditions, as it wouldnt rub off or catch dirt. ....Buck

[plesant3]

Why not just call Fiocchi and ask? Get their (Ozark, MO plant - where the majority of their ammo sold in USA is made) phone number from their website. They've been very good about answering questions when I've called...

That being said, I suspect the coating is similar to the Hi-Tek polymer coating that Missouri Bullet Co uses on their coated bullets - great stuff, btw.

[Outpost75]

The black lube used by Remington-UMC for many many years was Japan wax and graphite, suspended in an acetone carrier and applied by dipping and hot air drying. Others have used Carnuba in a similar manner.

[dondiego]

What is Japan wax?

[Outpost75]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?67506-What-is-Japan-Wax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_wax

Japan wax also known as sumac wax, China green tallow, and Japan tallow. This material is a pale-yellow, waxy, water-insoluble solid with a gummy feel, obtained from the berries of certain sumacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumac) native to Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) and China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China), such asToxicodendron vernicifluum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron_vernicifluum) (lacquer tree) and Toxicodendron succedanea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron_succedanea) (Japanese wax tree).
Japan wax is a byproduct of lacquer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquer) manufacture. It is not a true wax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax) but a fat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat) that contains 10-15% palmitin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmitin), stearin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stearin), andolein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olein) with about 1% japanic acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanic_acid&action=edit&redlink=1) (1,21-heneicosanedioic acid). Japan wax is sold in flat squares or disks and has a rancid odor. It is extracted by expression and heat, or by the action of solvents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent).

http://www.japanwax.com/

[MtGun44]

IIRC, Japan wax was used as a boolit lube in earliest .45 Govt ammo.

Thanks for the info on it, never knew that much about it before.
Does anyone know if it is still available?

[Geezer in NH]

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