phillips head anyone ?

[oldpara]

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/35cal170grphillips.jpg

Or maybe some square or triangular ?
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/35CALTRILLIONANDSQUARE.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/35cal150grsquare.jpg

Or a carridge bolt, wingnut, or doghouse ?
Hotdogs anyone ?

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30CALHOTDOGS35CALACORNTRILLIONSPIRECARRIGEBOLTWING NUTDOGHOUSE.jpg

[trying2learn]

Those are awesome. I bet you get some really odd looks at the ranges.

[oldpara]

Yea, it makes people wonder.
I just like creating something different, some shoot pretty good, others not so much :)
With the right combo they all get down range and hit the paper.
I've made some bizzare variations.

[Bulldogger]

My only question is. HOW? Look neat. What are the ballistics on the phillips round? That one looks interesting.
BDGR

[oldpara]

The "phillips" weighs 170gr.
I've not chrono'd any loads but in the 35 rem with 25gr RE7 it will stay in 1-1/4" at 50 yrds, hits point on too :)
In the 357 I have to seat it deep enough to work in the cylinder of a ruger BH I rebarreled with an old 9mm sub machinegun barrel.
Shoots fine, I use 6.5gr of unique, not a hot load.
I know, what's the point ? Like all of it, it's fun and keeps me occupied.

[Cactus Farmer]

That would make for some odd looking nose punches.........I partial to the pillips or the trilobe models. So ,do you sell these beasts?

[geargnasher]

My first guess was silicone moulds and cerrosafe, but if you shot them, they're obviously made of lead alloy. I'd love to see a pic of the moulds themselves, you must have a CNC mill!

Gear

[camaro1st]

para if you would be interested in selling a few i would love to buy a few. those are way neat!!!!!

[338RemUltraMag]

Looks like we found the winner for this segment! LOL

[GT27]

Chess pieces would be ultra cool,great idea on those! GT27

[DxieLandMan]

I would like to buy some too if you are selling any.

[Doc_Stihl]

Those philip heads are a hoot. I'd love to know how they were made.

[375RUGER]

So when a bad guy is confronted, do you say "You're screwed" before you pull the trigger?

[Artful]

So when a bad guy is confronted, do you say "You're screwed" before you pull the trigger?

After you shoot them with the doghouse - do you have to say "Who let the Dog OUT!" or "Doggone, you made me do it"

After using the four sided do you say you've given them a square deal?

[phaessler]

Was thinking how cool a screw thread would be.. ha ha ha.

I too am curious how they are made, please do tell.

Pete

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Or maybe some square ?
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/35cal150grsquare.jpg

I love the "Robertson" !!!

OH, Excellent job on the casting !!!

[no34570]

Wow,they are cool,like everyone else,how in the world do you do it?
I would love some of these.

[boltons75]

So when a bad guy is confronted, do you say "You're screwed" before you pull the trigger?

Read my mind, was thinking more of, screw you......

[Woody3]

I too am curious. I think it would be cool to have a special one for every cal I load for. Strictly for decoration in the shop.

[Tracy]

I know, what's the point ?

:lol::lol::lol:

[HollowPoint]

That's pretty bad-A$$.

I'm wondering if a guy could design one similar to the philips head but instead of the screw-driver end
you might make your mold to spiral to a point. (spiral like a drill bit to a point) With the spiral being
the same twist as your rifling.

That might make for a more accurate bullet.

Something else that comes to mind is a cast bullet with a small fist on the end of the bullet itself.
Make some cast bullets with some punch to them.

HollowPoint

[Spruce]

Way to cool. Great imagination.

[oldpara]

Thanks guys, now let me try to answer your questions.

I'm sorry but I don't make them to sell, I hardly have the capacity or energy to be making bullets all the time.

over the years ( the last 29) I've had the opportunity to make these molds out of scrap pieces of aluminum or brass on a 4 axis CNC mill with an air spindle. 25,000rpm with .015 ball mills.
I just made one a couple of weeks ago out of an old Lee 41cal mold I had that I had'nt used in years, just wnet in and remilled it for a .453 225gr RNFP for the 45ACP. Came out OK (so-so)
I made them so I could use simple lee mold handles and simple CRS sprue plates.

Heres a few un finished.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/molds1.jpg

Also I've been able to prototype some designs using an STL machine. (Stereolithography)
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/waxes2.jpg

Heres some 38 cals
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/38s.jpg

And some 30s on top, 6.5s, 7mms, and 258s
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30etc.jpg

Heres a shot of one I did years ago, it's designed after the "DEVEL" sintered metal bullet.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screen1.jpg

I tried a screw thread type bullet, I didn't have the milling capability to cut a true screw thread, I could have cut one that kindof looked like it. I did make a couple of wax models on the stl that showed me I wouldn't be able to cut it on the mill.
A fist is doable, lots of things could be made for fun, hunting or novelty. Chess pieces would be something !

So there you have it.
My hobby such as it is.

[429421Cowboy]

Wow! Awesome! When i clicked on it i thought it was going to be along the lines of a phillips screwhead style HP plug, instead this was totally the opposite! Very neat to say the least, dummy rounds would sell like hotcakes at a gun show i'm willing to bet a fat nickle!

[RP]

That is very Kool I think you may be onto something to retire off of lol. Thanks for sharing

[Tracy]

I want one that looks like a dog's jaw, complete with teeth.

That one would be best in .44 caliber, to use in a .44 Special Bulldog. :)

[phaessler]

I offer you a hats off to using technology, nothing like the power of STL to stimulate the mind. And the craftsmanship is astounding. Happy to see someone else enjoying a hobby.

Pete

[Jumptrap]

I want one that looks like a boob! What a man killer....hehehe!

[largom]

Looks like we found the winner for this segment! LOL

Gets my vote! Larry

[cookvette81]

That is just too cool

[mikeyd23]

That is different but very cool...

[oldpara]

Thanks again for all the thumbs up !
Coming from you guys it's a real compliment.
You guys individually and collectively have an incredible body of knowlege here and I consider this forum a priceless tool for all of us who enjoy this sport/hobby.
It's a pleasure to contribute my small part of it.

My milling days are over but I can continue to model and if I do model something I just can't live without I'll farm it off to one of the custom mold makers online.

[Rangefinder]

Good lord, am I impressed!!! I'm generally pretty proud of my "thinking outside the box" tendencies... But THESE are simply gorgeous!!! I'd say I WANT ONE, but first, I'd have one heck of a time figuring out which one (still have to abide by the "I'm not rich" issue), and second, I'd have to figure out which caliber to 'bless' with such a thing.

All right... Who is gonna honcho the GB? We need a poll for design and caliber... NOW!

[MT Gianni]

Those aren't bullets, that is art.

[HABCAN]

Those certainly are 'art'!!......and yes, please, may we have some??

[brysongw]

I want one that looks like a boob! What a man killer....hehehe!

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that! HaHa

[Alan in Vermont]

I sent a couple of my buddies a link to this thread. One of them replied "See if he'll do a boob". I thought that was something only he would think of. Obviously, I was wrong.

[DCM]

EXTREMELY COOL!
I bet you could EASILY sell out of 45cal chess boolit sets!
I know o would definitely buy 2 complete sets.
One could use nickle plated for one side and brass for the other or hit some brass with 44/40 to make it dark versus bright.

[crawfobj]

This is awesome. Just another example of yet another guy with way more talent and smarts than me.

[AnthonyB]

I sense a disturbance in the Force. Jumptrap has posted twice in the last six days.....
Tony

[felix]

Yep, and I am glad, Tony! ... felix

[geargnasher]

I sense a disturbance in the Force. Jumptrap has posted twice in the last six days.....
Tony

And Oldfeller, too.

Gear

[Brahma]

Definitely a very neat thing you've done here. Hats off to your craftsmanship!

[Sweetpea]

I'd go for a chess set...

[taco650]

So cool, the Phillips especially. I'd like to see a hollowpoint version with the reverse of the Phillips. Probably would expand quite nicely and be an easy mould to make. Just a thought...;-)

[MBTcustom]

Well, I must say, I am impressed! And I am not easily impressed. There is no way in 7 hells I could make something like that unless I got a CNC, and then to have the time to make it happen outside of making the machine earn it's keep???!!!
Sir, my hat is off to you.

I too would love to have some of those Phillips head boolits. I have had many rifles that I could drive nails with, but I have never been able to do a proper job with screws. Fortunately, most of our barrels are RH twist.......

[popper]

I'll take a few BO bobble-head CB's please. Love to shoot those at the Osama targets or BO TP.

[oldpara]

Just wanted to pipe in and show you guys some of the possible problems that could be encountered with complex models in hard molds.

Imagine getting pieces to drop from this mold.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screw1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screw2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screw3.jpg

Now imagine just trying to cut a hard mold for this. I dont believe any "hard" mold would be doable, and get the part out of it.
Rubber molds would be the way to go for ease of manufacture. The problem with rubber molds is part consistency.
Wouldn't make a very consistent bullet (diameter).

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/stat1.jpg

[beagle]

Yeah, I'll bet a rook would be awesome./beagle


Chess pieces would be ultra cool,great idea on those! GT27

[SciFiJim]

For chess pieces or something with intricate detail, I could see the pieces having to be swaged in the fashion that screws are made.

[SlippShodd]

I'm all over those Phillips boolits. I spend most days with something named Makita or DeWalt in my strong hand. They have lousy trigger pulls and I never have a #1 or #3 bit with me when I need it. Now I could just choose between .38, .41 or .45 before I climbed the ladder.
Holy home repair, Batman!

mike

[oldpara]

slippsodd, I can see it now....
Woodchucks from the roof top.
Screw em !

[TheGrimReaper]

So when a bad guy is confronted, do you say "You're screwed" before you pull the trigger?


HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good one, SIR!

[Shiloh]

Very cool. I'm envious of your skill.

Shiloh

[badbob454]

i would love to see what that phillips does to ballistic gel.

[prs]

But those are JIS, not Phillips.

prs

[Gliden07]

I want one that looks like a dog's jaw, complete with teeth.

That one would be best in .44 caliber, to use in a .44 Special Bulldog. :)

I was thinking a Bulldog head??

[JIMinPHX]

If you used a thread form with a rounded root & rounded crest, like a British Whitworth, I believe that they would drop from the mold better.

[oldpara]

If you used a thread form with a rounded root & rounded crest, like a British Whitworth, I believe that they would drop from the mold better.

Good idea.
You may very well be right. Bullet mold, rounded edges, life is good.
Asthetically, given the actual "small" size of most features on the average bullet it could wind up "looking" like a Lee tumble lube.
Still, it's worth looking at.

[kweidner]

So when a bad guy is confronted, do you say "You're screwed" before you pull the trigger?

I think I just wet my britches from laughing so hard.

[KYRick]

these are truly awesome, great work.

[LeadBrain]

Nice work Sir! Thanks for sharing it.

[Multigunner]

A question.
Who was Philips and what did his head look like that they'd name a screwdriver after it?

[SlippShodd]

Shamelessly stoled from Wikipedia, along with the accompanying photo of his head. :P

"Henry F. Phillips (1890–1958) was a U.S. businessman from Portland, Oregon. The Phillips-head ("crosshead") screw and screwdriver are named after him.[1]"
60556

Based on my experience with his screws, he obviously had a deep abiding love of strippers.
(wonder if I can add that to the Wiki info and get away with it?)

mike

[Charlie Two Tracks]

Imagine the guy who mines the berm sometime. He ain't going to know what to think about that!-------------ALIENS!

[oldpara]

Was thinking how cool a screw thread would be.. ha ha ha.

I too am curious how they are made, please do tell.

Pete

OK, I was able to run a wax model on the machine, heres a 30cal with a screw type nose, based on the 311284.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/goodbutdark.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/goodscrew.jpg

[SlippShodd]

[QUOTE=oldpara;2045911]OK, I was able to run a wax model on the machine, heres a 30cal with a screw type nose, based on the 311284.

Now you just need some Phillips head gas checks...
:P

mike

[oldpara]

[QUOTE=oldpara;2045911]OK, I was able to run a wax model on the machine, heres a 30cal with a screw type nose, based on the 311284.

Now you just need some Phillips head gas checks...
:P

mike


Cool !
Hmmmmmm...
Phillips head gas checks..

[Awsar]

this is so cool thank you for posting.you could defiantly sell molds for these designs. very good work please keep us posted on future projects.

[taco650]

OK, I was able to run a wax model on the machine, heres a 30cal with a screw type nose, based on the 311284.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/goodbutdark.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/goodscrew.jpg

Just looking at the sample, it seems you could make a mould for this fairly easy. Would be a multi-step milling process, drilling the screw body, then threads, then base but still doable.

[oldpara]

Just looking at the sample, it seems you could make a mould for this fairly easy. Would be a multi-step milling process, drilling the screw body, then threads, then base but still doable.

You know, I really didn't think of that :0.
I was so focused on "milling only" that drilling and tapping with the blocks clamped together, then laying out the blocks and milling the bullet body blending into the threaded section didn't occour to me.
Eyes open now, thanks ! That's another good way to skin the cat.
The threads on there now are almost full diameter so I'd need a drill/tap combo that was enough under .312-.314 and grease groove minor diameter to clean up when milling the body.
Don't you love this stuff !

[no34570]

Don't you love this stuff !

Oh yeah!

[taco650]

You know, I really didn't think of that :0.
I was so focused on "milling only" that drilling and tapping with the blocks clamped together, then laying out the blocks and milling the bullet body blending into the threaded section didn't occour to me.
Eyes open now, thanks ! That's another good way to skin the cat.
The threads on there now are almost full diameter so I'd need a drill/tap combo that was enough under .312-.314 and grease groove minor diameter to clean up when milling the body.
Don't you love this stuff !

Glad I could be of help even though I haven't spent much time on a mill or lathe LOL! Can't wait to see what you come up with!

[Jumptrap]

Well.....I'm still waitin' to see a set of '38's'!

[taco650]

The threads on there now are almost full diameter so I'd need a drill/tap combo that was enough under .312-.314 and grease groove minor diameter to clean up when milling the body.
Don't you love this stuff !

Would M8x1.25 work (or standard close to that size)???

[Bert2368]

Can you do one that looks like this? For "wildcat" chamberings, you know- :kidding:

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss31/Bert2368/photo-123.jpg

[oldpara]

The more I look at this thing the more I wonder if I'd get the mold halves apart full of lead.
That's a threaded hole, don't they call them fasteners for a reason ? :)
I wouldn't want to have to screw them out of the mold. That would put a cramp in production.
Anyway, I thought about making it a nose pour, drilling/tapping part way into the mold then milling the rest.
Well problem is I need an F drill (.257) and the nose has a .190dia flat, so no go there.
Plus after tapping I've removed metal where I wanted the nose section to be.
But when staring at it some more I decided that I could mill it base pour.
First I'd vise up the halves in the bridgport, find the middle, drill/tap short of full length.
Then set the blocks in the mill and mill the body (hoping everything cleans up ok).
5/16-18 thread and a .313-.314 body dia. Thats cutting it close, no pun intended.
Then mill/blend the nose section in and call it done.

All this said, I'm not at all sure I'll even attempt it but it's sure getting more tempting all the time.
The company I work for was bought out and the new security is "ANAL"
Xray machines, walk thru metal detectors, hand scanning..............
I feel like I'm at the airport every dang day..


Here was my thoughts for nose pour. You can see the tap has removed the metal I want to mill for the nose.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/perplexing.jpg

then heres the drill/tap from the base, mill cleanup, seperate mill the nose deal.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/drillshortcleanandblendmillnose.jpg

Oh, and heres the phillips GC bullets
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/phillipsGCbulletsB.jpg

[Twinkiethekid]

Wow that's the first time I seen that! Pretty cool.

[SlippShodd]

Oh, and heres the phillips GC bullets

[smilie=w: Heeheeheeheeheehee. [smilie=l:

mike

[no34570]

Pretty cool ;)

[taco650]

Is there a thread pitch that is "more course" than 5/16x18 that still fits the boolit body diameter you want?

[oldpara]

Is there a thread pitch that is "more course" than 5/16x18 that still fits the boolit body diameter you want?

That's about as coarse as it gets with that diameter, even a metric 8mm is about the same.
I could model up my own thread pitch, a 14 or 10 but wouldn't it be neat to grab a bunch of bullets out of a box or bag and be able to "freshen" them up by just running a nut over the threads and make them all sharp and shiney again :)

[taco650]

That's about as coarse as it gets with that diameter, even a metric 8mm is about the same.
I could model up my own thread pitch, a 14 or 10 but wouldn't it be neat to grab a bunch of bullets out of a box or bag and be able to "freshen" them up by just running a nut over the threads and make them all sharp and shiney again :)

Yes that would be a nice but I was just trying to think of a way to reduce the chances of them sticking in the mold.

[oldpara]

Yes that would be a nice but I was just trying to think of a way to reduce the chances of them sticking in the mold.

I know you were.
And the cleanup with a nut was just tongue in cheek stuff.
I really just don't know what could be expected using a threaded section in a mold.
I suspect, given my lack of common sense and control I will find out at some point.

[azrednek]

Even though the Boolits are a novelty. I bet there would be enough interest to put a group buy together. Anybody out there with a CNC machine and the skills looking to make some bucks should consider it.

[pls1911]

True Industrial Art

[oldpara]

The more I look at this thing the more I wonder if I'd get the mold halves apart full of lead.
That's a threaded hole, don't they call them fasteners for a reason ? :)
I wouldn't want to have to screw them out of the mold. That would put a cramp in production.
Anyway, I thought about making it a nose pour, drilling/tapping part way into the mold then milling the rest.
Well problem is I need an F drill (.257) and the nose has a .190dia flat, so no go there.
Plus after tapping I've removed metal where I wanted the nose section to be.
But when staring at it some more I decided that I could mill it base pour.
First I'd vise up the halves in the bridgport, find the middle, drill/tap short of full length.
Then set the blocks in the mill and mill the body (hoping everything cleans up ok).
5/16-18 thread and a .313-.314 body dia. Thats cutting it close, no pun intended.
Then mill/blend the nose section in and call it done.

All this said, I'm not at all sure I'll even attempt it but it's sure getting more tempting all the time.
The company I work for was bought out and the new security is "ANAL"
Xray machines, walk thru metal detectors, hand scanning..............
I feel like I'm at the airport every dang day..


Here was my thoughts for nose pour. You can see the tap has removed the metal I want to mill for the nose.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/perplexing.jpg

then heres the drill/tap from the base, mill cleanup, seperate mill the nose deal.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/drillshortcleanandblendmillnose.jpg

Oh, and heres the phillips GC bullets
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/phillipsGCbulletsB.jpg


Here I am replying to/adding to my own post.
Anyway, I was in the cellar thinking that if I talk with the security people, explain what I want to do, show them the materials I'll be using (scrap brass mold blocks) etc, it may ease their anxiety and they might be inclined to let me go for it.
They're regular guys, they just have a certain responsibility to the corporation.
If that works out I have a need for your input on this threaded boolit.

Normally I would create the mold block on screen subtract the part from the mold half and just mirror the block for the other half, BUT, this being a threaded section I'm not sure that mirroring is correct given the pitch/angle of the threads.
I think I'm going to have to subtract the part from the block as you see it in the image for one half of the mold then subtract the part again from....
In other words, I would take two mold blocks, put one on top of the other with the part sandwiched between them.
I would then subtract the part from the bottom mold half for one half of the mold and the subtract the part again from the top mold half to create the other half of the mold.
Is that making sense ? You know "clear as mud ".

If these were concentric (no angle/pitch) circles mirroring would be OK but their on some angle spiraling down......
I'm just thinking I truely need a seperate left and right half.
Am I over thinking the thing ?

[SlippShodd]

I'm just thinking I truely need a seperate left and right half.
Am I over thinking the thing ?

Overthinking stuff like this is MY job, and no, I don't think you are; the two halves have to be different to accomodate the spiral. What I don't know anything about is modeling software and how big a PITA that would be to design and mate those two different halves perfectly.

mike

[oldpara]

OK, I think I've answered my question, but you take a look too.

Heres a simple mirror, one block superimposed over another.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/simplemirror.jpg

It looks fine
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/mirror1.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/mirror2.jpg

Hers the sperate subtract from to and bottom.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/subtracttopandbottom.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/subtracttopandbottom1.jpg

It "looks" like a simple mirroring for left and right halves will do the job. Yes/No ?

[SlippShodd]

It looks fine
It "looks" like a simple mirroring for left and right halves will do the job. Yes/No ?

LOL! I'm glad it looks "simple" to somebody. But, yes, it "looks" right, or for all intents and purposes, right enough. I'd be tooling up and "wasting" a couple pieces of material at this point. A look around my lathes will drum up enough examples of spare parts for stuff what ain't been invented yet. :)

mike

[oldpara]

LOL! I'm glad it looks "simple" to somebody. But, yes, it "looks" right, or for all intents and purposes, right enough. I'd be tooling up and "wasting" a couple pieces of material at this point. A look around my lathes will drum up enough examples of spare parts for stuff what ain't been invented yet. :)

mike

I'll tell you, sometimes even with the software and sometimes because of the software you wind up wondering ***.
The only way to really see what's going on is to just cut something in wax and actually "LOOK" at it.
You would think that after 30yrs of doing this stuff I'd have a solid handle on visualization but alas I'm still stupid.
But if it was absolutely, straight forward simple it wouldn't hold our intrest for long.
Simple is boring, I guess that's why crossword puzzles are popular.

[Box13]

If you had 2 helical threads wouldnt each half be identical?...Robin

[ncbearman]

How bout this one from the Firearms Museum. I have a colt and would love to make the coffin that holds the vampire slayer.

60852

[oldpara]

If you had 2 helical threads wouldnt each half be identical?...Robin

Yes, the threads are the same cross sectionally, they just don't align properly by simply mirroring.
I got to thinking about it again, still..
Mirror won't cut it. I need to subtract from both halves, top and bottom.
I believe these images make it clear.
Looking down on the part laying flat on a table with the part perpendicular to the parting line the threads look fine.
But rotate the part 90' with the parting line parallel to the halves and you can see the threads are all wrong.
They don't spiral down properly.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/compare2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/compare1.jpg

So if everything goes well with "Goombas" I'll re-model the part in the other software so it will be less troublesome programming and maybe cut some wax first to confirm.

[pls1911]

Ok, so I'm an old gear head and engineer, but was never trained as a machinest.... I am simply in awe of your energetic creativity. I Love it....and I really appreciate you guys sharing with the rest us.

[oldpara]

Ok, so I'm an old gear head and engineer, but was never trained as a machinest.... I am simply in awe of your energetic creativity. I Love it....and I really appreciate you guys sharing with the rest us.

I'm compelled and obsessed to do this stuff, it's addictive and absorbing and so much, can I say fun?
I truely enjoy sharing this with everyone and getting the feedback.
I am by no means an expert when it comes to lead bullets, the alloys, and all the various variables involved, but sharing this and learning from all of you is just so pleasureable.
Again, this forum and all of you are such a gold mine of knowledge, I learn something new everytime I am invloved with you good people.
We have a common, enduring love for this sport. It is an incredibly interesting hobby.

[oldpara]

I finally re-modeled the piece in the other software.
It's all programmed and ready to cut.
I'm going to try it in wax first as I said before so perhaps tomorrow I'll get to see if the toolpath is going to be as I hope.
I needed to change the threads a little, I am concerned about releasing the part from the mold.
The thread pitch is now very non standard and I increased the width of the root area.
Before the change it was a true 5/16-18, with a .312 dia. OD. Now it is .302 dia. OD (for my 7.7 Jap) and probably a 16. So a .302-16. with .314 body dia.
Still, its a threaded part, has the look.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/mold1A.jpg

Heres a ratty screen capture of the programming process.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/SCREWRGT.jpg

If the toolpath looks OK, I'll scrounge around for some scrap brass blocks, get them prettied up, get everything ready and approach the security guys and try to get thier blessing.
We'll see.

[jmorris]

Seems like your not going to make a ton of them. Cast the bullet then cut the threads.

[oldpara]

JMORRIS, That is definately an option although I tried running a die over a 311284 once before.
Maybe it's just me, but I didn't have much luck, the lead is so soft, it looked pretty bad and it was a pain trying to hole the bullet.
Besides, part of the fun is seeing if a mold can be made and if (a big if) it produces a viable, decent looking projectile even if only of novelty value.

I got the go ahead from the security boys, and cleared it with the bean counters and hand wringers.
I had all my materials, programs, trial cuts, and ducks in a row.
So as of about 3pm I set up the mill, put a block in and started cutting one half of the mold.
When I go in tomorrow morning that half will be cut and I'll start the other half. Hopefully by Thursday I'll have it pinned and finished.

Being reasonably optimistic, and having just set a precedent by going through new corporate channels with this one,
I modeled and programmed one for the 45 ACP this evening that I may try cutting some reasonable time after this one.

It's should cast about 190gr, .453-.454 dia.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45acpscrew.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/454SCR2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45SCREW.jpg

If I have a right hand twist in the pistol and a left hand thread on the bullet, is this thing just going to bounce off everything I shoot at ? :)

[whelenfan]

They are truly awesome!

[no34570]

Cool! :)

[jmorris]

Besides, part of the fun is seeing if a mold can be made and if (a big if) it produces a viable, decent looking projectile even if only of novelty

Understand 100%.

[oldpara]

Well, here I am.
It's now 11:08am and I'm only 44% through the program on the first half....:o
Boy this one is slow going.
When I left the machine last night I thought I'd turn the cutter feed down some so I'd be sure not to break a cutter during the night. (.015 carbide ball mill)
Anyway, it's a cuttin, it will just take as long as it takes and I probably won't have it to play with till Mon or Tues.

Geez, I hate waiting.

[nekshot]

Sir, you are amazing! This simply blows me away. Imagine what these molds would go for on evil bay. The definition of the mold would sell them before the suckers would know what it is or whether its practical or not.

[nekshot]

while we wait, cannot help thinking of the marketing pitch for this boolit. Tired of cleaning your rifle bore, Have you ever wondered if your rifle has rifling at all, well here is your answer the bullet that self threads its way down any barrel regardless of the conditon of the bore......

[.22-10-45]

Nice work! For a Colt ...can you make a left-hand thread?

[oldpara]

Nice work! For a Colt ...can you make a left-hand thread?

Well of course ! Got to have left handed threads too :)

[oldpara]

while we wait, cannot help thinking of the marketing pitch for this boolit. Tired of cleaning your rifle bore, Have you ever wondered if your rifle has rifling at all, well here is your answer the bullet that self threads its way down any barrel regardless of the conditon of the bore......

Here's one.
Protect yourself, take the trash out with the new 38cal 155gr "Trash Can" round :)

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/trashcan.jpg

[taco650]

Here's one.
Protect yourself, take the trash out with the new 38cal 155gr "Trash Can" round :)

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/trashcan.jpg

How accurate are they?

[MOcaster]

These are truly amazing. I know someone with a CNC. If I can convince them to let me use it, could I get a copy of the files?

[oldpara]

I finished cutting and pinning the mold today around 4pm so was quite pleased.
I have it home and tomorrow I plan on breaking it in and seeing if it will actually produce pieces.
As I believe I've said previously, these molds are just quick and dirty bullet makers made from scrap for my amusement so you're not looking at hardened steel pins and inserts, or even entirely adequate material mass for a given cavity.
But they work fine for me (mostly) and satisfy my curiosity.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screwmold1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screwmold2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/screwmold3.jpg

When I left work this afternoon I threw on another mold block to cut the 45ACP "Screw" type jobbie.
I don't go back to work till Tuesday so It should be there looking at me when I go in.

Someone on the forum asked me if they could have the file for one of these pieces.
At this point in time I don't want to give the files away.

The company I work for is going to be defunct in a few months so I am in the process of speaking with some local job shops in the area to see if there would be any intrest in producing "real" molds.
This way I can get a good idea of actual production costs, materials, machine time, etc.
I would do all the modeling, detailing and programming. They would do the machining and assembly or some mixed combination of both.
I can't justify the costs of machines, materials and all that on my own. Getting too old to be taking those kinds of risks with the old age funds.
These bullets ? Are really novelty for the most part, trashcans and wingnuts, acorn nuts, carrige bolts, phillips heads, dog houses etc.
But having said that I have many conventional molds I've made for many calibers over the years.
I've made lyman/Ideal clones, Cramer, Hensley and Gibbs, Saeco, etc.
But these off the wall jobs are the most fun.
So for the time being I want to sit on the models. I hope you all understand .

[taco650]

That looks great. Knew you could do it. I'm interested in some of the boolits but not the mold. Let us know if you cast up some. PM me if you do. Thanks and again, great job!

[SlippShodd]

I'm with taco (and many others, I'm sure) on this. I think a table at a gunshow offering up either the boolits or boolits in dummy rounds would pay off handsomely. We spend scads of dollars on novelty items as it is and I want several of each -- but I don't want a novelty mould. I think your retirement fund can be augmented substantially with a bit of not-too-intense marketing from novelty sales alone, not to mention the gravy of selling an occasional conventional mould. I'll sign up now to be your Northwest Marketing Manager/Distributor. I'm not saying to rethink setting up your own shop -- I know all too well how difficult it is to dip into your retirement security to risk a new business venture.
And as I've said before, nice work.

mike

[taco650]

One more question: is that a carburator in the background of the new mold?

[DCM]

Just looking at the sample, it seems you could make a mould for this fairly easy. Would be a multi-step milling process, drilling the screw body, then threads, then base but still doable.

Brings a whole another level of meaning to the term your ...

[DCM]

shamelessly stoled from wikipedia, along with the accompanying photo of his head. :p

"henry f. Phillips (1890–1958) was a u.s. Businessman from portland, oregon. The phillips-head ("crosshead") screw and screwdriver are named after him.[1]"
60556

based on my experience with his screws, he obviously had a deep abiding love of strippers.
(wonder if i can add that to the wiki info and get away with it?)

mike

lol!!!!

[nekshot]

I want to be on your list to purchase some chess set units of these as I have neat wood for boards but current chess pieces are boring. Go capitalism, be blessed for creativity! nekshot

[oldpara]

I'm with taco (and many others, I'm sure) on this. I think a table at a gunshow offering up either the boolits or boolits in dummy rounds would pay off handsomely. We spend scads of dollars on novelty items as it is and I want several of each -- but I don't want a novelty mould. I think your retirement fund can be augmented substantially with a bit of not-too-intense marketing from novelty sales alone, not to mention the gravy of selling an occasional conventional mould. I'll sign up now to be your Northwest Marketing Manager/Distributor. I'm not saying to rethink setting up your own shop -- I know all too well how difficult it is to dip into your retirement security to risk a new business venture.
And as I've said before, nice work.

mike

You get first dibbs if I got that route :)
And thanks, really thanks .

[oldpara]

OK, so here's where I am with this new mold.
I fired up the pot this morning and cast 80-100 pieces. Throwing many back in the pot.
The bullets released from the mold very well, a few taps on the handle joint and all was good.
That was a pleasant relief, I had my doubts about mold friendliness.
What I did find was that I WILL have to vent the threaded area, too much trapped air for reliable, full filling but that's not a real big deal. I tried varying the height of the pour, tightening and loosening the sprue plate, varying the temp of the lead.
I just think I need some venting, I've been lucky not to have to vent many of them but......
I'll use a metal rule and a carbide scribe to vent each point on the threads and see what happens.
The bullet weighs 193grs lubed with a GC. Being based on the 311284 that makes sense.

And yes, that is a Mikuni carb off one of my bikes, get them all cleaned and rebuilt over the winter so I'm ready to go in the spring.

Here's the results
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/c4.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/c3.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/c1.jpg

You can see the threads are not fully filled properly.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/mess.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/threads.jpg

5 grs. unique into the old duxseal.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/dux1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/dux2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/dux3.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/fornaft.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/all.jpg

So there it is up to this point. A little more work and I believe it will be good to go.

[taco650]

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/c3.jpg


If you got hit with one of these...you'd really be SCREWED!!!:Fire:



Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)[smilie=1:

Nice job.

[SlippShodd]

OK, so here's where I am with this new mold...
So there it is up to this point. A little more work and I believe it will be good to go.

Hee hee. Hee hee hee hee hee.
That's just too cool. Nice work. And look at that expansion. :P If you'da put on that Phillips head gas check, you coulda just unscrewed it from the Duxseal instead of having to tear it out.

mike

[oldpara]

I did some venting , a little at a time.
Still not there yet though.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/gettingsharper.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/someventing.jpg

Even with no sprue plate, so more vents....
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/nosprueplate.jpg

I hate it when you're trying to get something done and bullets just stand around watching .
Hey, bullets, you waiting for a bus or something ?

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/waitingforabus.jpg

[taco650]

Guess my eyes aren't trained enought to recognize whats wrong with the bullets and what you mean by "venting" the mold. They do look like they haven't filled out the mold enough but other than that...

[oldpara]

Guess my eyes aren't trained enought to recognize whats wrong with the bullets and what you mean by "venting" the mold. They do look like they haven't filled out the mold enough but other than that...

When we fill the mold with molten lead the air is pushed out of the cavity.
If it were a solid cylinder the air can easily escape, but with all the angled areas in this mold toward the nose some won't fill, the air gets trapped. By venting the mold (milling or scribing shallow channels from the cavity to the outside edge of the parting line), the small amounts of trapped air have a place to go.
There are people here with alot more experiance casting bullets who can give more or better options for complete, sharp filling but venting is one of them and alot of commercial molds are vented in some way.
Maybe if I increased the tin content it would help but I'll try venting for now.

[taco650]

OK, that makes sense. Thank you.

Taking a second look at the last mold pics I see the horizontal lines. Didn't notice them at first, guess I thought they were milling scratches, duh.:coffeecom

[oldpara]

I want to be on your list to purchase some chess set units of these as I have neat wood for boards but current chess pieces are boring. Go capitalism, be blessed for creativity! nekshot

Chess pieces, Hmmm...

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/chesbullets.jpg

If the Knight doesn't have to be an anatomically correct horse it might be doable in a simple mold.
The Queen would be another troublesome piece.

[oldpara]

I've vented as much as I dare and the pieces look much better.
If I were to do it again I would go ahead and make the nose (bore riding section) full .312 dia., make a swage die and swage the bore riding section to .302.
As it is now the bore riding section is a little under size.
Maybe they'll shoot fine, find out this spring.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/b2.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/b1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/b3.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/b4.jpg

So this little project is done, I don't believe I'll have the time to re-cut another mold.
I have some others I'd like to try if I can.

[level Joe]

oldpara you are a true craftsman! IMO, you are thinking so far out of the box, I cannot dream or follow where you are going. I can only watch and smile at your work.
If you ever feel the need to do a Karma, I'm in!!!

[AggieEE]

Just a thought about what you said about making the thread .312 and then sizing back to make a bore rider. Since the threaded section would have a small cross sectional area and lead is soft what if you made the thread .309 dia and then let the leade size the nose to what the bore wants? It should not chamber hard and I think it would extract if you didn't fire the round. Your thoughts please. AggieEE

[Doc_Stihl]

Chase it with a die....

:)

[Awsar]

Love this stuff ,great work please keep it up

[nekshot]

chess pieces out of boolits for something differant. Make a boring for the spectator game into a conversation as to " are those really what we think they are" or the player telling his opponent sorry you just got "screwed" as he counter moves.

[DeanWinchester]

I've always wondered if someone could make a bullet shape from a peice of graphite and use a RAM EDM to burn the mold cavity. If so, a talented carver could make some wild designs.

[oldpara]

Just a thought about what you said about making the thread .312 and then sizing back to make a bore rider. Since the threaded section would have a small cross sectional area and lead is soft what if you made the thread .309 dia and then let the leade size the nose to what the bore wants? It should not chamber hard and I think it would extract if you didn't fire the round. Your thoughts please. AggieEE

I think you're right, and that IS a viable option. I didn't think of that.
That amount of interferance would be next to nothing and I don't believe chambering would be an issue.
I would surely assure a good bore riding section with some small amount of engraving.
Thankyou, that's something I will surely keep in mind and use when I'm dreaming up these oddball designs or any new more conventional design.
I think sometimes I pick nits to an impractical degree.
If I were shooting benchrest matches my over thinking could be justified to some degree, but I like to think of myself as a practical guy looking for practical results, decent results. I'm talking about an old 7.7 jap rifle with all the extra clearances and room for dirt and, yes, your thoughts on this are spot on.

[oldpara]

Chase it with a die....

:)

Exactly.
Make it any diameter you need.

[oldpara]

chess pieces out of boolits for something differant. Make a boring for the spectator game into a conversation as to " are those really what we think they are" or the player telling his opponent sorry you just got "screwed" as he counter moves.

I hope you saw the chess pieces I put up on the previous post for show and tell :)

[oldpara]

Love this stuff ,great work please keep it up

Thankyou and I'm going to try to keep it up.
But once the comapny locks the doors I'm going to go through some serious withdrawls.......

[oldpara]

I've always wondered if someone could make a bullet shape from a peice of graphite and use a RAM EDM to burn the mold cavity. If so, a talented carver could make some wild designs.

A graphite or copper electrode can be made, that's for sure.
In alot of Ram type EDMing the, we'll say blocks are kind of rotated around the electrode, buzz buzz buzz, round and round for a rough cut, then a finish electrode is used, same process.
You want the electrode to be symetrical, concentric circles, etc.
So hand cutting the electrode is possible but 3D milling is a more accurate option, although if accuracy, concentricity, and the like are not a priority, but just asthetics are the goal then hand carving isn't out of the question.
It would add a very real "one of a kind" nature to the part(s).

[oldpara]

I thank all of you for your encouragement and enthusiasm.
When you have the "I'll just do it" attitude and the means to do it, it's hard not to just go for it.
I'll really miss it when the ride is over...........

[tiwimon]

I'm with the rest of the folks - you really need to setup shop at a gun show, I think you'd find a pretty good market for both the finished pieces and the molds - if you start selling the finished pieces I'd be in

at any rate - this thread is awesome as is your work - keep posting :)

[Plate plinker]

That stuff is just plain screwy. Well done sir!

[C1PNR]

Are they selling off the equipment, or is there a chance someone else will buy the company?

Say, how did the .45 mould work out? Your work truly is a fine example of Art.

[oldpara]

That stuff is just plain screwy. Well done sir!

Screwy works for me :) Thanks !

[oldpara]

Are they selling off the equipment, or is there a chance someone else will buy the company?

Say, how did the .45 mould work out? Your work truly is a fine example of Art.

I have the mold finished and pinned for the 45cal screw (threaded) jobber. I haven't brought it home yet to try it out but it looks good.
The comapny was sold, lock, stock, and barrel by a very wealthy individual (group). I believe the buyer(s) are going to pick and choose what tools and equipment they want to keep or auction off.
All at the behest of the bean counters of course. I'm editing this post because of a little paranoia so bear with me :)

Would I like to bid on some equipment ? Oh yes ! But alas I am not a wealthy man and buying and maintaining that oldish equipment is a major thing to contemplate.

[MikeS]

I've vented as much as I dare and the pieces look much better.

A good way to vent a mould is to use a fly cutter. Instead of trying to make straight vent lines like the few you put into the mould, if you set the mould blocks face up in a milling vice, then run a fly cutter over the mould at a fairly high feed rate it will make nice vent lines. If you can, look at either an NOE mould, or a Mihec, they both use some form of that method. I'm not sure if they cut the vent lines before or after they cut the cavities.

From what I've heard (and I could be totally wrong) when Warren Buffet buys a company that's doing good he tends to leave everything as is, letting all the former execs to stay with the company. I guess he figures that if a company is running well it would be stupid to get rid of the very execs that got it running well. Of course if the company isn't doing well, I guess he would bring in a new management team, and/or sell off pieces of the company, etc.

Good luck whichever way he plays it with your place.

[taco650]

I hope the ownership change bodes well for you.

[XWrench3]

now that is what i call an "impact driver"! or one heck of a "screw gun"! if the philips head one actually hit a screw perfectly, it could drive a 6" screw into solid oak with no oilot hole.that is thinking out side of the box to extreme. GOOD JOB, ATTA BOY, AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. i would bet you could sell those very easily. either at gun shows, or to a supplier (midway usa, natchez, mid-south shooting supply, weidners, etc.) or just to the members here.

[dudits]

those are awesome!
i would buy a few dummy loads for the bench and other odd places

[mold maker]

The ingenuity show by the folks here is amazing. I spent a lifetime finding ways to do what everyone said was impossible, but nothing as wild as this.
I am in awe of the folks here.

[Chicken Thief]

Wonder who we can get to cut a group buy?
Because i want one bad!
So bad i'm ready to buy a rifle in that caliber just to get a chance to show some of these babies at the range ;)

[mo_bio]

So I just sat here and went through this entire thread for the first time. I then went back and looked again. I am truly amazed at the ingenuity and abilities shown. I would patent that mold and get a company to sell it. Unreal....

[oldpara]

Again, Thanks everyone for the thumbs up !

Here's my latest cramps. Both 45 cal.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45s.jpg

This weekend I'll try out the molds and see how they come out. I may have to vent the screwy one like I did the 30cal.
Hopefully they'll squirt out the end of the barrel and stay reasonably close together this spring.

I wonder what kind of sound this would make on it's way down range ?
I'd love to be able to load some up to around 5-600fps, lay on the ground down range an listen to them flying overhead.
Wingnut, carridge bolt, some weird thing, fluted 30cal, and hotdogs.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/wingnut.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/carrigebolt.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/washin.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/fluted.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/hotdogs.jpg
The images look bent or something, the pieces aren't.

I AM looking at some ways to get some pieces done so I could at least get a few out there for you guys.
My molds are not "production quality" so it would be a time consuming, swearing, thing.
I will try.
If I can get some decent ones done I will let you know and get them to you somehow.

[taco650]

That fluted 30 call looks cool. Now if you could just get the fluted one twisted!

[oldpara]

A good way to vent a mould is to use a fly cutter. Instead of trying to make straight vent lines like the few you put into the mould, if you set the mould blocks face up in a milling vice, then run a fly cutter over the mould at a fairly high feed rate it will make nice vent lines. If you can, look at either an NOE mould, or a Mihec, they both use some form of that method. I'm not sure if they cut the vent lines before or after they cut the cavities.


You're right, I've seen many with that type of venting.
I've thought of trying it but most of mine seem to vent OK, and like you I'm a little unsure about whether to vent before or after cutting the cavity.

[Doc_Stihl]

That fluted 30 caliber looks VERY interesting.

[oldpara]

That fluted 30 call looks cool. Now if you could just get the fluted one twisted!


Why did you have to say that...................
@%^&*#, now I have to try it.

[SlippShodd]

...so it would be a time consuming, swearing, thing.


Why did you have to say that...................
@%^&*#, now I have to try it.

... and so it begins. :rolleyes:

mike
(shoot, I don't even want to chuck up my .3115 sizing die I made to open it up another 1/2 a thou. I hate reworking projects I thought were done.)

[Errokk]

Wish i had a mold that cast 1 of each type! They look so cool!
Are there any of these crazy design molds available for sale in 9mm? Cost?

[taco650]

Why did you have to say that...................
@%^&*#, now I have to try it.


Umm, er... sorry... I think.:roll:

[pthunder1971]

This makes me rethink getting rid of my benchtop CNC. wondering if it would be good enough to produce a mold or two.
Oldpara what software are you using to do your cad drawings and renderings if you don't mind me asking.

[oldpara]

That fluted 30 call looks cool. Now if you could just get the fluted one twisted!

Don't do that to me......... :)

Here

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/swirl1.jpg

[SlippShodd]

Don't do that to me......... :)

Here

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/swirl1.jpg

Mmm, ice cream!

mike

[oldpara]

Mmm, ice cream!

mike

Softserve

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/softserve.jpg

[SlippShodd]

Softserve

Took me a couple seconds to notice what you did there; just started the first cup of morning Joe.
You a funny boy. I like you. (I'll refrain from one of my favorite movie comments and not use the "you make me laugh -- I kill you last" bit 'cuz that would be rude).
Interesting loob groove innovation. Hurry up and patent it before Waksupi gloms on to it and it disappears from the market forever.

mike
[smilie=l:

[taco650]

Don't do that to me......... :)

Here

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/swirl1.jpg


Sorry about that. You have to admit they look cool!

[Gelandangan]

unreal!

oldpara, SIR!
You got some talent there ..

[2thepoint]

I see a new sub forum in the future - Bool-Art !!!!

[Errokk]

I see a new sub forum in the future - Bool-Art !!!!

^ this!

[oldpara]

I finished two of the 45 cal molds this week and just now cast up a few to check dia. and weights.

This one 231gr naked.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45-1.jpg

This one 204gr naked.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/gfittings.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/both45s.jpg

If you look closely you can see a little faceting on the OD of the pieces.
Sometimes I get virtually none, sometimes a little more so I try to make the diameters of the bullets such that sizing smooths it out.
I really haven'y found it to be a negative when shooting the things, even as cast, I assume that once it gets hit in the a** with 20,000lbs or more depending on the caliber, the bore and rifling do the smoothing and sizing.
The faceting is due to the curve interpolation of the older cnc controller I use. No NURBS curves for this old controller, just very short line segments sometimes imperceptible but there.

I'll dump a couple into the duxseal this weekend down cellar and see what kind of impression they make on that stuff.

I've got one more 45cal done and pinned at work and a double cav 30cal cutting over the weekend.
I'm trying to get as much done as I can before the place closes up for keeps.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45slug.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/311469amdspeer314.jpg

[SlippShodd]

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/311469amdspeer314.jpg

I don't get it. What are these s'posed to be?

mike
:wink: :D

(can I get a .452 Battleship peg to shoot back at the aliens?)

[AggieEE]

Makes me want to make a mold. I don't have access to a CNC just an old lathe. Can somebody teach me how to cut a mold cherry? I know you start out making a steel "bullet" its the making it into a reamer that has me a little stumped.
AggieEE

[oldpara]

I don't get it. What are these s'posed to be?

mike
:wink: :D

(can I get a .452 Battleship peg to shoot back at the aliens?)


I know ...... They look like some kind of prehistoric bullet or something :roll:

[sparkz]

"Phillips head" Now if those ain't slicker-N-Snot on a Door Knob!!
How might a body go about getting a few of those just in case I need to screw somebody,, hahaha


love those

Sparkz

[Gelandangan]

Impact screw drivers.. yeah..

[Blacksmith]

Oldpara

Back when you were trying to mirror the screw thread. Wouldn't it work to draw the block and subtract the cavity complete with threads then make a copy so you had two blocks with cavities then cut each block in half and use half of one mated with half of the other. You should not have a problem with standard threads releasing from the mold halves because they mold plastic fasteners without a problem. The part is is symmetrical about the center-line so their are no undercuts.

Dummy cartridges with Phillips bit bullets should prove popular with many people in the construction trades. Try making up a few and selling on our Swap and Sell section.

[Rangefinder]

Softserve

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/softserve.jpg
All right--we NEED a group buy on any one of the pointy ones--don't rightly care which, as I'm in love with all of them. Cone included... :D I would be facinated to see how that lube-groove design might perform!

[shredder]

So how do those wing nuts fly? They do indeed look awesome, but "ballistically challenged". :mrgreen:

The philips head reminds me of the Devel muzzle loader bullets that were on the market a few years ago. they came and went so fast I never got to try any.

[Rangefinder]

In actually putting some thought behind those lovely "soft-serve" designs... I think they could have some real potential. If you match the twist rate to the barrel you're pushing it through, you could actually gain a much higher BC just through the higher surface area. The aerodynamics of it could potentially help maintain stability much longer than a smooth-sided boolit. Add on the BT GC's I saw someone making serious headway on, and I think we have a potential match-boolit worthy of some real consideration. This could really be something, guys.

[oldpara]

Oldpara

Back when you were trying to mirror the screw thread. Wouldn't it work to draw the block and subtract the cavity complete with threads then make a copy so you had two blocks with cavities then cut each block in half and use half of one mated with half of the other. You should not have a problem with standard threads releasing from the mold halves because they mold plastic fasteners without a problem. The part is is symmetrical about the center-line so their are no undercuts.

Dummy cartridges with Phillips bit bullets should prove popular with many people in the construction trades. Try making up a few and selling on our Swap and Sell section.

You're right!
That's basically what I did. I modeled both halves of the mold blanks, laid one on top of the other with a modeled bullet between them.
I subtracted one bullet from the bottom mold block blank and one bullet from the top mold block blank.
And as you can see "eureka" :)
My biggest obstacle was over thinking it.

[oldpara]

So how do those wing nuts fly? They do indeed look awesome, but "ballistically challenged". :mrgreen:

The philips head reminds me of the Devel muzzle loader bullets that were on the market a few years ago. they came and went so fast I never got to try any.

The wingnuts shoot fair, I've made so many different ones I haven't really had the time to "wring out" each one.
Life always seems to get in the way of fun.

I actually modeled the philips after the screw driver, real original huh?

The one I did that was inspired by the Devel is this one in the center of the picture.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/358.jpg

[oldpara]

In actually putting some thought behind those lovely "soft-serve" designs... I think they could have some real potential. If you match the twist rate to the barrel you're pushing it through, you could actually gain a much higher BC just through the higher surface area. The aerodynamics of it could potentially help maintain stability much longer than a smooth-sided boolit. Add on the BT GC's I saw someone making serious headway on, and I think we have a potential match-boolit worthy of some real consideration. This could really be something, guys.

Those are gorgeous bullets.
Taco650 on the forum put me up to it.
Last week I tried getting the CAD file into my CAM program but so far no luck, it just isn't translating properly.
I'm going to try a few more tricks but it seems too comlex for the older CAM program.
I would love to cut them !

[taco650]

Those are gorgeous bullets.
Taco650 on the forum put me up to it.
Last week I tried getting the CAD file into my CAM program but so far no luck, it just isn't translating properly.
I'm going to try a few more tricks but it seems too comlex for the older CAM program.
I would love to cut them !

Sure, blame me! Your work inspires my creativity and I guess I just speak my mind a little too often. Guess I should shut up LOL!

[L1A1Rocker]

I've been thinking about a way to mold a copy of a discontinued bullet ever since I got into casting. Aquila made a line of deep hollow point partitioned bullets from zinc. The Feds "asked" them to stop and they did. Aguila called the line the I.Q. bullet because it would expand/seperate into three peaces when it hit soft targets; but fold in and punch through hard targets. I'm thinking that this mold cutting technique would be the ideal way to make these bullets.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4878035803964860&pid=15.1

http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/observe/zinc.jpg

The only real issue would be what diameter to cut the bullet as it would be filled with zinc? What do ya'll think?

[oldpara]

Sure, blame me! Your work inspires my creativity and I guess I just speak my mind a little too often. Guess I should shut up LOL!

Don't you dare shut up !
Imagination is inspiration :)

[oldpara]

I've been thinking about a way to mold a copy of a discontinued bullet ever since I got into casting. Aquila made a line of deep hollow point partitioned bullets from zinc. The Feds "asked" them to stop and they did. Aguila called the line the I.Q. bullet because it would expand/seperate into three peaces when it hit soft targets; but fold in and punch through hard targets. I'm thinking that this mold cutting technique would be the ideal way to make these bullets.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4878035803964860&pid=15.1

http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/observe/zinc.jpg

The only real issue would be what diameter to cut the bullet as it would be filled with zinc? What do ya'll think?

I've never played with zinc but the mold would be an easy one to cut.
I've cut stuff similar but more exagerated in 45 and 38cal.
Nothing in hollowpoint but that's not a difficult addition to a mold, just more manipulation in the casting process.
I just finished this 45 cal 225gr this week and fired a couple into the duxseal this morning.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45slug.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/45crosspair.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/beforeandafter.jpg

I'll model something and see what it looks like :)

Perhaps a hollow pointed version of this would produce similar results
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/160grhex.jpg

[oldpara]

I've been thinking about a way to mold a copy of a discontinued bullet ever since I got into casting. Aquila made a line of deep hollow point partitioned bullets from zinc. The Feds "asked" them to stop and they did. Aguila called the line the I.Q. bullet because it would expand/seperate into three peaces when it hit soft targets; but fold in and punch through hard targets. I'm thinking that this mold cutting technique would be the ideal way to make these bullets.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4878035803964860&pid=15.1

http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/observe/zinc.jpg

The only real issue would be what diameter to cut the bullet as it would be filled with zinc? What do ya'll think?

Here's something in 45 cal.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/new45A.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/ghostB.jpg


But again, in zinc I don't know. Does it shrink, expand ? I do know I've heard that it is hard enough so that lube isn't needed so a little weight could be gained without the lube groove. Or a re-design into some exotic shape without the otherwise necessary lube grooves.

[no34570]

This is so cool ;)

[L1A1Rocker]

Here's something in 45 cal.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/new45A.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/ghostB.jpg


But again, in zinc I don't know. Does it shrink, expand ? I do know I've heard that it is hard enough so that lube isn't needed so a little weight could be gained without the lube groove. Or a re-design into some exotic shape without the otherwise necessary lube grooves.

WOW! That looks incredible. I've read a few threads on possibly useing zinc but I don't know that anyone has actually tried it. No, you shouldn't need any lube but size of the mold cavity would be critical. I'm not sure about shrinkage but I don't think anyone would want to try and re-size on of those sucker. Maybe someone can give a bit of input on that issue.

[oldpara]

I've thought about using zinc from time to time but never tried.
I do know the weights are much lighter, and casting techniques are different.
With current and future regulations and restrictions it may be one of the metals we turn to so as to continue our sport.

[StratsMan]

I remember those zinc Aguila bullets... wondered what happened to them... as I recall, they were around 160 grains, maybe lighter (?)... given the lower cost of zinc, I'd like to try a zinc boolit too... higher melt point may make iron the best mold material... or is this a candidate for swaging??? love the idea of no lube...

[oldpara]

I remember those zinc Aguila bullets... wondered what happened to them... as I recall, they were around 160 grains, maybe lighter (?)... given the lower cost of zinc, I'd like to try a zinc boolit too... higher melt point may make iron the best mold material... or is this a candidate for swaging??? love the idea of no lube...



I can't speak from personal experiance so maybe I'm all wet here, but I HEARD that swaging zinc is a mother. Like swaging brass.
And I seem to recall someone somewhere saying zinc and aluminum molds are a tough match.
But there's my total knowledge on that subject........
Still, I would like to experiment with the stuff, maybe a zinc bullet with a lead, steel, brass, or carbide core to give it a little extra mass. Anyone know where to get depleted uranium ?

[L1A1Rocker]

I remember those zinc Aguila bullets... wondered what happened to them... as I recall, they were around 160 grains, maybe lighter (?)... given the lower cost of zinc, I'd like to try a zinc boolit too... higher melt point may make iron the best mold material... or is this a candidate for swaging??? love the idea of no lube...

The 45's are 117gr at 1450 fps. Scuttlebutt was that they would penetrate soft body armor. If true they did not violate the letter of the law regarding AP ammo but the Feds (supposedly) leaned on them to "voluntarily" stop making them. I've got three boxes saved up and keep them in my carry gun. (I think they are an ideal round for a daily carry pistol. Doesn't over penetrate in soft stuff, but would penetrate a car door or window) I'd love the ability to produce these cartridges myself!

[oldpara]

The 45's are 117gr at 1450 fps. Scuttlebutt was that they would penetrate soft body armor. If true they did not violate the letter of the law regarding AP ammo but the Feds (supposedly) leaned on them to "voluntarily" stop making them. I've got three boxes saved up and keep them in my carry gun. (I think they are an ideal round for a daily carry pistol. Doesn't over penetrate in soft stuff, but would penetrate a car door or window) I'd love the ability to produce these cartridges myself!

On a fixed sight weapon it must be a booger to hold on target properly unless you know just where the point of impact is.
117gr 45 ? that thing must shoot lowwwwww, or somewhere other than factory weights.
BUT, that is some good FPS, and something with that cross sectional area must slap at that velocity regardless of the weight.
So I can picture pouring a small quantity of lead down a generous hollow cavity to increase the weight.
Maybe a nose pour mold made just to hold the already cast zinc bullet so as to fill it with lead.
If the melting point of the zinc is higher that the lead it might work.
I'm game !

[dromia]

Impressive and innovative indeed, seems we need some mould GB's going with these ideas.

[oldpara]

I've been sharing these designs with all of you but I didn't just didn't anticipate the enthusiasum from all of you.
Because of this I'm feeling in no small way crappy about not being able to supply you guys with at least something to play with.
Soooooooooo, and I mean Sooooooooo, If you PM me I'll try to supply you with at least a SMALL sample of some of the stuff I've been posting.
If you've been following the post you know that these pieces are not really ready for prime time.
These are molds I made for myself, out of scrap brass and an old cnc that has it's issues.
With all the faults, and less than perfect geometry translated to the controler, I am willing, and less than proud to offer some pieces to you guys.
They are what they are, you will have to size and gas check where applicable and you will see why.
Be kind and don't ask for too much, I have only a limited supply of alloy and you know with doomsday and insurrection just around the corner I need to keep a small supply of lead on hand..........
Also some of these molds are a bit of a pisser to work with and I'm inhereantly lazy and stuff so again not too much will be produced.
I really appreciate all your support and encouragement ! If I'm able to buy the cnc from my now dying company I will take the time and effort to try and produce real molds of some quality for anything you guys can dream up, for a price you can justify over and over.
Until then and if , I'm stuck where I am with what I have. Which is fine for me but won't produce much for you all.

This is my production center
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/apot-1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/thatsit.jpg

[L1A1Rocker]

I understand completely where you are. The ideas on trying to duplicate the Iguilla round were just kind of thrown out there for thought. It might be worth exploring sometime in the future to see if it is indeed possible. Practically, I suspect there will be some trial and error to deal with as it is new ground to cover. Maybe its something that could be explored if the situation is right. I really appriciate you doing the drawings you did, that is a great starting point of something on paper. Should you ever decide to go further into it let me know, I'd be happy to pull a couple of bullets to send you for reference.

Thanks!

[oldpara]

I understand completely where you are. The ideas on trying to duplicate the Iguilla round were just kind of thrown out there for thought. It might be worth exploring sometime in the future to see if it is indeed possible. Practically, I suspect there will be some trial and error to deal with as it is new ground to cover. Maybe its something that could be explored if the situation is right. I really appriciate you doing the drawings you did, that is a great starting point of something on paper. Should you ever decide to go further into it let me know, I'd be happy to pull a couple of bullets to send you for reference.

Thanks!

No problem on the images.
If at some point you want the geometry file to send to a custom caster just let me know, it's yours.

[Awsar]

please dont stop i love this thread.
thank you so much for the work and posts.

[oldpara]

I was playing around with a really useless style, a pencil sharpener bullet thing, got it all modeled and programmed and well....


Tell me, what's wrong with this picture ??

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1-1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1C-1.jpg

[kbstenberg]

The screw head should be into the bullet. not out.

[slim1836]

I just received a package of samples from oldpara and to say anything other than I'm amazed is an understatement. The man is truly a craftsman. These samples will forever hold a special place in my heart as well as my shelf for all who visit to see.

Tried to take pictures but camera had dead batteries and no spares to be found in the house, just my luck.

I just love them.

Thanks again Dana,

slim

[SlippShodd]

I was playing around with a really useless style, a pencil sharpener bullet thing, got it all modeled and programmed and well....
Tell me, what's wrong with this picture ??

Gonna be an interesting looking sprue plate. ;P

mike
(p.m. inbound)

[SciFiJim]

Duplicate post!

[SciFiJim]

I was playing around with a really useless style, a pencil sharpener bullet thing, got it all modeled and programmed and well....


Tell me, what's wrong with this picture ??

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1-1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1C-1.jpg

It would be unbalanced. It would also allow gas to flow through the boolit, resulting in gas cutting and leading.

[taco650]

I was playing around with a really useless style, a pencil sharpener bullet thing, got it all modeled and programmed and well....


Tell me, what's wrong with this picture ??



http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1-1.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener1C-1.jpg

Slot needs to be cone shaped not uniform like you have it. "Blade" section needs to have an edge not rounded over. How about starting with a hollow base design and just deepen the opening in the base? It's 2245 hours as I write this so my brain is almost ready to shut down for the night. Hope these ideas inspire you.

[oldpara]

It would be unbalanced. It would also allow gas to flow through the boolit, resulting in gas cutting and leading.

Like you said, the gas cutting because of the slot is what I was focused on. I'd have been "blowing smoke" and lead coating the barrel with that one.

And unbalanced, oh yea !

I have to be careful of undercuts in the mold so I have to take "artistic something or other" to fudge it and be resonably sure it will work.

But you guys are catching all kinds of stuff here, and you're right......

I think I screwd up the images, I was culling some off of photobucket and oops.
Anyway heres the latest iteration:

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/sharpener2.jpg

It's not high on my priority but if I can manage it I'll try cutting a mold.

[TheDoctor]

Gas check it!

[oldpara]

Gas check it!

I was going to add a gas check base, that was an option I thought about, but then I thought, what would be the point.
It certainly isn't going to be fired at 1400fps, at least not by me, and even loaded moderately it will probably shoot as well as it sharpens pencils. :)

[oldpara]

Anyone for a round of golf ?

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/glfrnds.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/glfrndsB.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/golfrounds.jpg

Serious undercuts in this mold... back to the drawing board.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/undercuts.jpg

[Doc_Stihl]

What about an arrow head?
Knapped Flint shape?

[taco650]

Switch the ball to a basketball or the nose of a football.

[oldpara]

Switch the ball to a basketball or the nose of a football.

Ahhhhhh.....
He's doing it to me again !

[oldpara]

What about an arrow head?
Knapped Flint shape?

Mmmm, that's going to take a new technique.

[Hogdaddy]

Great workmanship,, Unique to say the least ; ) PS Keep up the art work
H/D

[shredder]

I keep coming back to this thread. So much fun to read. Thanks for sharing your designs with us!

Al

[oldpara]

What about an arrow head?
Knapped Flint shape?

You realize of course, I had to look up Knapped flint shape....

Heres my quick and dirty first shot at an arrow head.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/rougharrowhead.jpg

That's a tough thing to model on the fly.

[oldpara]

Switch the ball to a basketball or the nose of a football.

Here ya go taco :)

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/football.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/basketball.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/basketfootballB.jpg

[taco650]

Here ya go taco :)

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/football.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/basketball.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/basketfootballB.jpg

Thank you! I only suggested these two because I thought you might be able to make a mold to match. The golf ball has all those dents to get lined up but the football or basketball has uniform lines that could be aligned with the mold halves.

[oldpara]

After I modeled the football and basketball, I told my wife "I could make molds for these, they look good", she rolls her eyes, smiles and says to bad you couldn't make a really large mold, they look like trophies.
She's right except for the casting of five pound bullets..... Sounds like foundry work to me :)
But, for someone who relly likes football, basketball, and shooting these would make nice bullets.
Thanks Taco, another good one :)
Only three months left till closing, I'm going to have to hustle.

[taco650]

Football might actually spin, ha ha!

[oldpara]

Football might actually spin, ha ha!


God..
Two seperate molds, one mold for the bullet body with milled section down the center for a cylindrical pin insert about .250/.300 deep , one mold for the football with a milled section down the center of the football for a cylindrical pin insert which would leave a hole thru the football.
NOW, lets cast both, not burning ourselves, or losing pins as our fingers smoke, and assemble with a lead or brass wire rivet loctited into the base, now we can slide the football down the wire rivet, put both assembled parts in that handy little machine we just happened to make up in our spare time and spin the rivet over the top of the football.
If everything goes well the football spins and we all say "cool".
OK, whos going to shoot this critter ??

You know all wise cracks aside, it could be done. I'm not sure why, but it is doable..
We've made sillier, more labor intensive stuff at work.

I'll wind up drawing something up, I just know it. I can't help myself. I need counseling.

[slim1836]

I'm glad I don"t have the knowledge for your type of addiction, however, I can sure have the appreciation for what you do.

Always look forward to see what's next.

Thanks again,

Slim

[taco650]

God.. I need counseling.


You? We all do LOL!

[warthog]

I wish I had the knowledge and machinery to do this kind of thing myself.
I even think I have a few ideas, like everyone else, for some cool bullets, like maybe a Nike-Ajax Missile Warhead or a Dr. Strangelove Looking A-Bomb (Slim Pickens and all) :o

I am afraid I must join "oldpara" in counseling. Maybe there are better rates for group therapy? :lol:

[Elkins45]

I just stumbled across this thread and have been thoroughly amazed and entertained reading it from the beginning. One of those fluted boolets would be an awesome group buy.

[oldpara]

I wish I had the knowledge and machinery to do this kind of thing myself.
I even think I have a few ideas, like everyone else, for some cool bullets, like maybe a Nike-Ajax Missile Warhead or a Dr. Strangelove Looking A-Bomb (Slim Pickens and all) :o

I am afraid I must join "oldpara" in counseling. Maybe there are better rates for group therapy? :lol:

The Nike missle and the Slim Pickens bomb...
I already have the bomb, the one on the left. But no Slim Pickens, the detail would be incredible and just wouldn't be cast friendly.

So here's my rendition.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/nike.jpg

Wicked looking thing, like a harpoon.

[taco650]

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/nike.jpg

Wicked looking thing, like a harpoon.

Start calling you rocket man.

[AggieEE]

I had a thought ever since I saw a "lazy dog" bomblett(?). Cast a broadhead in the base and make a sabot shotgun slug. What say you oldpara?
AggieEE

[oldpara]

I had a thought ever since I saw a "lazy dog" bomblett(?). Cast a broadhead in the base and make a sabot shotgun slug. What say you oldpara?
AggieEE

I'd try it if I knew what a lazy dog bomblett was :)
Oh, I know "look it up" ..... ugh...
Off to the internet, awayyyyyy

[oldpara]

Just finished this one up and cast a few this evening.

This was the model.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30calphillipsimage.jpg

This is the mold
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30phillipsmold.jpg

These are the parts, 177gr raw.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30phillips1.jpg

The old mill did a decent job this time, nice and smooth.

These are the little 87gr 32's I cut previously. They're both based on the Hornady 90gr swaged SWC shape.
One is a lee type TL, the other is just a conventional SWC.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/3087gr.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/30pillipsand32molds.jpg

[SlippShodd]

See, now that's what happens when you let a guy do it his way -- one mould drops two different boolits. I love 'em all.

mike

[ghh3rd]

I just noticed this thread - wow! Not only do you make fantastic molds, you make great bootlits from them too!

How about this as an idea - make a WHISTLE boolit! Can you imagine hearing whistle boolits screaming downrange?!

[taco650]

I just noticed this thread - wow! Not only do you make fantastic molds, you make great bootlits from them too!

I hope you read all 12 pages of it because it's been a fantastic ride in the mind of oldpara!

Can't believe its gone 12 pages already. Who knew???

[oldpara]

I just noticed this thread - wow! Not only do you make fantastic molds, you make great bootlits from them too!

How about this as an idea - make a WHISTLE boolit! Can you imagine hearing whistle boolits screaming downrange?!

Never thought of that one :)

[freebullet]

As to the question in the title- yes I want one, those are amazing. So when can I get my screwlit mold?

[AggieEE]

about the 30 cal phillips. Have you shot any yet, how well do they shoot and when can I get a mold?
AggieEE

[oldpara]

I just noticed this thread - wow! Not only do you make fantastic molds, you make great bootlits from them too!

How about this as an idea - make a WHISTLE boolit! Can you imagine hearing whistle boolits screaming downrange?!

These ought to make some noise !

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/whistles.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/whistlesB.jpg

We need to design a bullet that sounds like the old "Stuka" dive bomber.

[oldpara]

about the 30 cal phillips. Have you shot any yet, how well do they shoot and when can I get a mold?
AggieEE

I just finished the mold, got it home, and cast some bullets yesterday evening.
So to answer your question, I don't know how they'd shoot. I suspect they'll do alright to a point.
And speaking of points, that one is a little aerodynamically impaired. But you never know..

I would love to make molds for others, but this is not the time.
There are things going on at work and stuff up in the air. Even if the situation at work were different and all was secure, I would not try to make a profit on their dime.
As time goes on I may, might, hope to be able to make molds for others. Decent molds, not like the ones I make for myself.
I don't mind fussing and occasionally fighting with a mold I've made for myself but I wouldn't inflict that on you guys when you're paying for good quality mold you won't be cussing at..
I'll need to try and purchase my old cnc at work, a decent surface grinder, manual mill, etc. The usual things you'd need to make parts and components.
I can't afford to go into debt and this relatively late juncture in my life so all I can do is wait and see what develops.

[weakhand luke]

Way cool.

Could you make one look like a buick? That way the deer would jump right it front of it. You won't have to aim or nothing.

[SlippShodd]

I'd try it if I knew what a lazy dog bomblett was :)

See, you learn something new here every day. I have one of the parkerized Lazy Dog bomblets, I've had it for probably 45 years... just never knew until now what it was actually called. Thank you AggieEE!

64753

The whistles are awesome, if not impossible. The Buick might be a good idea for the reason stated.

mike
sorry, I thought that pic turned out better...

[oldpara]

See, you learn something new here every day. I have one of the parkerized Lazy Dog bomblets, I've had it for probably 45 years... just never knew until now what it was actually called. Thank you AggieEE!

64753

The whistles are awesome, if not impossible. The Buick might be a good idea for the reason stated.

mike

Thanks for the image !
I also had to look it up and was surprised to learn it was some idea of a weapon back in the Nam.
I have to be honest and say I never even heard of the things while there, but they are kind of cool looking.
Boy, you'd have to drop alot of those to have any effect where I was. It was all thick canopy jungle, no chance those little metal thingies would make it through. Those things would have been some mean shrapnel in a boobytrap. Sometimes our government is counter productive to say the least...

[oldpara]

I had a thought ever since I saw a "lazy dog" bomblett(?). Cast a broadhead in the base and make a sabot shotgun slug. What say you oldpara?
AggieEE

Now that I know what it is, here's my take.

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/chieuhoi.jpg

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff361/skysol173/stuff/chieuhoiC.jpg

Beaucoup dinky dau :)

[SlippShodd]

Now that I know what it is, here's my take.

See, and those might even be doable... you know, without the Open Arms inscription. :)

mike

[Oreo]

Do I have to be the first crude sob to suggest that most masculine part of the anatomy? Or how about the doctor's delving digit?

[no34570]

do i have to be the first crude sob to suggest that most masculine part of the anatomy? Or how about the doctor's delving digit?
:smile::smile::smile::smile: yep ;)

[Light attack]

I dont know if it will help with decision making, but I'd take a mold or two and have some projects that sure would benefit from a cnc mill:smile:

Light Attack
Gary

[oldpara]

I dont know if it will help with decision making, but I'd take a mold or two and have some projects that sure would benefit from a cnc mill:smile:

Light Attack
Gary

Right now I can't make molds for others.
The molds I make for myself are rudimentary and I wouldn't feel good about charging money for them.
In the future I hope to have the ability to make "real" molds, then I would be happy to make anyone what they wanted.

For now, if you have some ideas/projects feel free to post or PM sketches or drawings and I'll model something for you.
I won't use it for myself, it's yours.

[AggieEE]

oldpara, I was thinking about the lazy dog for a shotgun but on a bullet might work also. Anyway, since you have or can generate the coding to cut the molds I know there are short run machine shops out there that would do short runs with your code. I don't know how many pieces they would want to do at one shot but.... Just trying to get something unique and if it puts coin in your pocket why not?
AggieEE

[Awsar]

ok i still love this thread the stuff you come up with is AWSOME. i wish i won the lottery i would buy all the equip and let you use it to make these .of course you would have to make me a few ;)
keep up the good work tho.

[oldpara]

oldpara, I was thinking about the lazy dog for a shotgun but on a bullet might work also. Anyway, since you have or can generate the coding to cut the molds I know there are short run machine shops out there that would do short runs with your code. I don't know how many pieces they would want to do at one shot but.... Just trying to get something unique and if it puts coin in your pocket why not?
AggieEE

It would make a wicked looking saboted slug, but you know, someone would be scared of it and want to outlaw the thing...

I've tentatively looked into getting together with a smaller cnc job shop.
Asked around a little but nothing yet.