Meeting with my Congressman

[161]

For those here who are interested I'm the sheriff in a county of 18,000 in Iowa. I'm meeting with one of my congressman today so he can look touch and feel what a semi auto rifle is. If the weather allows I'll take him out to shoot some. I think it's important that he knows what he's voting for or against.
Warren in Cedar County Iowa

[Alan in Vermont]

Great idea, and best of luck!

[dg31872]

I think that is a excellent idea. I hope he gets some trigger time, it might help him see things from our view. I live in Texas, and either know or know of our reps, and one goes hunting, and the other runs a part time guide service.

[perotter]

Great idea. Same basic thing got former Wisconsin Sen. Feingold to vote against extending the 1994 AWB.

[km101]

Way to go!! Any education or positive reinforcement will help our cause. This type of hands-on education is the best. And an elected official is more likely to respond favorably to another elected official.

[cbrick]

Sherriff Warren, eagerly waiting for a report on the meeting.

He not only needs to know some FACTS but to hear them from law enforcement is a huge plus. Is this Congressman a R or a D?

He also needs to know that he is not only voting for/against gun laws, he is voting on whether or not to loose the Constitution.

Rick

[Bill*]

I'm with cbrick...please keep us informed

[429421Cowboy]

WOW, way to step up for our sport! Especially being law enforcement, with all the Liberal police cheifs surounding the big O and crying for guns off the street lately, hopefully your Congressman gains some insight and it helps him stick up for his state. Thank you!

[tanstafl10]

Thank you for taking the time. I agree with others that it is one way to combat the sham that the anti-2nd amendment thugs are trying to push.
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I, too, would like to know how it goes.

[41 mag fan]

Sherriff Warren, eagerly waiting for a report on the meeting.

He not only needs to know some FACTS but to hear them from law enforcement is a huge plus. Is this Congressman a R or a D?

He also needs to know that he is not only voting for/against gun laws, he is voting on whether or not to loose the Constitution.

Rick

It doesn't really matter if he's an R or a D unless it's just out of curiosity. Each side has points and views worth merit. And having members on each side on our side is even better, as it provides less strength in each party for one sided views like the gun control issues of today.
I would much rather have a bunch from each party on our side, protecting the law abidings rights, than have just one party on our side. It'd be even better if both parties were on our side, and realized, that laws only hinder the law abiding, but thats not going to happen in todays world and society.

Sheriff Warren,
We need more people like you out there in law enforcement. Thank You!

[wool1]

For those here who are interested I'm the sheriff in a county of 18,000 in Iowa. I'm meeting with one of my congressman today so he can look touch and feel what a semi auto rifle is. If the weather allows I'll take him out to shoot some. I think it's important that he knows what he's voting for or against.
Warren in Cedar County Iowa

I too would be interested in how the meeting goes. I am from across the river but my son lives in Lee county and would be very interested in what the representative has to say.

[Boyscout]

I don't think my Congressman is legally allowed to posess a gun. He even claimed once he didn't know anyone who could be trusted with one; I believe him.

[MtGun44]

Thank you for your efforts in this civil rights issue, and also for being one of
the heroes that is there guarding us when we sleep.

Bill

[Stephen Cohen]

well done Sir. this is the way to really help the cause, Those who are shown first hand can at least make an informed opinion. I often take anti gunners to my club, and without exception they all come away with a different view. Just last weekend I took 9 non gun owners to range 3 of them anti gunners and all now wish to obtain licences to own guns. Every one we convert to sanity is a vote for our sport.

[161]

OK just made it home. The meeting went well although the Congressman was not willing to commit to anything. He did seem interested in what I had to say. He told me that he did co-sign a magazine bill but at the end of our talk I think he believes limited mag. capacity would have no effect on crime. I was able to show him two rifles that are named by manufacturer and model in the presidents list of guns to ban. One being my Remington R15 24 in barrel with bi-pod and optics. We all agreed this would not be a weapon of choice for a criminal. Looks like there will be a strong push for mental health and background checks on all gun sales. I guess I don't have a problem with this as long as we can still use our Iowa permit to purchase or carry. We talked about a lot of stuff so if you have questions I'll answer as best I can.

Also Thanks for the kind words.
Warren

[cbrick]

Thanks for your efforts, it really is appreciated.

I have no problem with keeping guns out of the hands of proven criminals or known nut jobs but I have a huge problem with the back ground checks. The back ground checks are nothing more than a gun registration scheme, to be honest I would rather have armed criminals and nut jobs than the government with a list of every gun in the country.

Rick

[Recluse]

Sheriff, I'll go you one better.

Please let us know when you're up for re-election as I'd be honored to send you a campaign donation.

:coffee:

[perotter]

Warren,

Thanks for reporting back about how it went. Looks like you did a great job of getting him to be open minded about this.

[GRUMPA]

Personally I would like to thank you for the report as well. But on a slightly different note I would like to thank you for making such an effort to educate someone who is not knowledgeable with firearms.To me it's the amount of effort a person invested, what ever the outcome would be.

[161]

The back ground checks I'm thinking of would be avoided with a permit to carry or like we have in Iowa a permit to purchase. Our state law requires a purchase permit for handguns, back ground check and issued by the sheriff renewed every year. Carry permit is good for 5 years. You can buy as many handguns as you want. Iowa is a Brady compliant state.

[161]

Sheriff, I'll go you one better.

Please let us know when you're up for re-election as I'd be honored to send you a campaign donation.

:coffee:
Thanks. But if thing go downhill can you help me get citizenship in Texas.

[wv109323]

161,
I am curious how the permit to purchase works. In issuing the permit does law enforcement do a background check? Is it more intensive than the NICS background check by BATFE?
Would your background check prohibit some of the latest"shooters" in the recent tragedies from purchasing or obtaining a firearm?Does a person have to have a permit to purchase before a Person to person transaction can legally take place?
Are there any records kept about the transactions?

[Smitty's Retired]

161, I would like to commend you. More people like yourself are needed. We need to get some face time with our representatives whenever we can. Phone time is good, but sometimes I believe face to face makes more of an impression. Thank you for your service to your area.

[Recluse]

Thanks. But if thing go downhill can you help me get citizenship in Texas.

Consider it done. :-D

:coffee:

[161]

161,
I am curious how the permit to purchase works. In issuing the permit does law enforcement do a background check? Is it more intensive than the NICS background check by BATFE?
Would your background check prohibit some of the latest"shooters" in the recent tragedies from purchasing or obtaining a firearm?Does a person have to have a permit to purchase before a Person to person transaction can legally take place?
Are there any records kept about the transactions?
The permit to purchase in Iowa, the back ground check is done by the sheriff. Checking criminal history and mental health records. It's not more intensive than NICS but it's done by you local sheriff who you know, and is not making a list of of the call in's. There is no record of how many guns you bought, from who or where. In Iowa you have to have a permit to acquire to buy a handgun even person to person. But again there is no government record of the transaction. In Iowa if you have a PTC or PTA you can avoid the dealer calling into the feds because the back ground has been done locally by your sheriff.

[MT Gianni]

Great idea, I hope that he learned something.

[Charlie Two Tracks]

Thanks for what you are doing 161. I am just 19 miles east of the Mississippi but have none of the rights you guys have over there. Strange place over here in Illinois.

[smokeywolf]

Thanks Sheriff for all your efforts. This country needs more law enforcement professionals such as yourself.

smokeywolf

[waksupi]

Good going. I know there are some good people in law enforcement back there. A friend of mine who is a deputy in Iowa County ran a gun safety course for locals a week ago. I grew up with his dad.

[rfp357]

It's nice to see a proactive sheriff. I called two county sheriffs departments to ask them their position on the whole gun ban thing and I didn't get a comment from either department. I even left my contact info and never got a call back from either sheriff or anyone in the department that could address my questions/concerns. I live in Illinois and my wife keeps asking when we are moving out of this G&d forsaken state.

[41 mag fan]

It's nice to see a proactive sheriff. I called two county sheriffs departments to ask them their position on the whole gun ban thing and I didn't get a comment from either department. I even left my contact info and never got a call back from either sheriff or anyone in the department that could address my questions/concerns. I live in Illinois and my wife keeps asking when we are moving out of this G&d forsaken state.

theres your answer in bold right there.

[cbrick]

The Iowa background check doesn't sound invasive with no records kept, so far. Sheriff Warren was speaking with a U.S. Congressman that will be voting on a national system, not an Iowa county system. Part of obummers scheme for background checks is a national data base of both firearms and firearm owners.

It doesn't take much imagination to see that such a national data base would be far more dangerous to both Americans and America than arming every known criminal.

If such a data base is established the new wording of the Second Amendment will read as follows:

Citizens of America shall have the right to beg the government for a permit to own a firearm. The governments right to deny a permit shall not be infringed.

The Constitution is the most important document ever written, such a data base would be using that document as toilet paper.

Thanks again Sheriff, your efforts really are appreciated. We can only sit back and wait and see how much sanity remains in D.C.

Rick

[Wayne Smith]

We already have background checks. That's what happens when the State Police are informed and 'approve' a purchase. The issue in most cases is to get mental health (involuntary hospitalizations) records into the information stream. This is not the case in Virginia, yet. It does need to be. We do need to make the present system work better.

[arjacobson]

Thanks. But if thing go downhill can you help me get citizenship in Texas.

Same here....fellow iowan

[jonas302]

Even if you didn't change his mind a little education never hurts Its good for him to see a good law abiding citizen with the weapons not just the bad stuff on tv news
Thanks a lot for your efforts

[161]

# 84 and it looks like #149 also. I know I believe in this strongly but didn't think I deserved two spots..
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=257944

[161]

Good going. I know there are some good people in law enforcement back there. A friend of mine who is a deputy in Iowa County ran a gun safety course for locals a week ago. I grew up with his dad.

I'm just two counties east of Iowa County

[Beau Cassidy]

I have said for years mental health would be part of background checks. What that does is give the gub'ment access to your medical records. it's not about who IS mentally ill, it is about who isn't appropriately treated for mental illness. This is just another foot in the door for socialism.

[horsesoldier]

What about veterans with PTSD? This talk about mental makes me uneasy. Thats a hell of a thing to do to somebody has has worn a uniform

[161]

What about veterans with PTSD? This talk about mental makes me uneasy. Thats a hell of a thing to do to somebody has has worn a uniform

It's about the best way I know to get a Vet to not ask for help. If they know they are going to go on a list they won't ask.

[cbrick]

I have said for years mental health would be part of background checks. What that does is give the gub'ment access to your medical records. it's not about who IS mentally ill, it is about who isn't appropriately treated for mental illness. This is just another foot in the door for socialism.

And what a huge foot it is. I believe the data base is their ultimate goal, anything they can add to the banned list now is a bonus for them as always but once the data base is established grabbing everything else is a simple matter. I also believe that notfinestein's bill is a smoke screen, and far to many people will think the data base isn't so bad compared with her gun ban bill and they got off easy. The opposite is true, the data base will be devastating to all of our freedoms, not just the Second.


What about veterans with PTSD? This talk about mental makes me uneasy. Thats a hell of a thing to do to somebody has has worn a uniform.

Good point, I hadn't even thought about that. Points out the extreme danger of the government making lists.

One thing is certain, none of this will be good for Americans or America. All of it will be despite the Constitution and be a giant step for the progressive agenda. If the data base is established we better all get accustomed to using our new first name . . . Comrade.

Rick

[Echo]

I don't think my Congressman is legally allowed to posess a gun. He even claimed once he didn't know anyone who could be trusted with one; I believe him.

That rates a medium-sized LOL...

[wool1]

OK just made it home. The meeting went well although the Congressman was not willing to commit to anything. He did seem interested in what I had to say. He told me that he did co-sign a magazine bill but at the end of our talk I think he believes limited mag. capacity would have no effect on crime. I was able to show him two rifles that are named by manufacturer and model in the presidents list of guns to ban. One being my Remington R15 24 in barrel with bi-pod and optics. We all agreed this would not be a weapon of choice for a criminal. Looks like there will be a strong push for mental health and background checks on all gun sales. I guess I don't have a problem with this as long as we can still use our Iowa permit to purchase or carry. We talked about a lot of stuff so if you have questions I'll answer as best I can.
Also Thanks for the kind words.
Warren

Again, thank you for your efforts. Let me know if you do any goose hunting, we'll get you in on a hunt with me and my guys.

Wes

[161]

This is just the front page when I get the whole thing I'll post it. My local editor is not a gun guy but he did pretty well.
http://www.tiptonconservative.com/31021/1697/1/front-pagepdf

[161]

Here's another one
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130131/NEWS/301310042/Cedar-County-sheriff-opposes-unlawful-gun-bills

[cbrick]

Thank you Sheriff, you are a great American standing up for the Constitution.

Rick

[161]

Thank you Sheriff, you are a great American standing up for the Constitution.

Rick
I'm surprised at the large number of Ca. sheriffs stepping up. Good for them!!!!

[cbrick]

I'm surprised at the large number of Ca. sheriffs stepping up. Good for them!!!!

I escaped from CA last year, believe it or not MOST of CA is very conservative. The two primary places that are not are L.A. & S.F. & they are a large enough population to trump the entire rest of the state in every election. Probably much the same in Illinois where Chicago trumps an otherwise sane, sensible state.

Because of this things like CCW in those counties can be very difficult to impossible. A few years ago the Chief of Police of the Los Angeles Police Department was denied a CCW. The Chief of all people, they told him he didn't need it.

Keep up the good work sheriff, the loss of the Constitution is far more important than the loss of guns.

Rick