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BruceB
07-28-2005, 06:28 AM
A few weeks back I saw this mould on Ebay, and it looked sorta interesting, so I put it on our 'watch list'....and completely forgot about it. Then one day I came home from work, and my wife told me she'd bought it on account of time was running out and I wasn't around. Very nice.

This is a two-cavity Lyman in excellent shape. I had NEVER heard of this 311672 design before I saw it on Ebay, nor can I find any listings for it. The bullet looks a bit like a shortened 311334 or RG-4, with two bands and a relatively long straight-sided bore-rider with a truncated-cone nose leading to about an .020" meplat. In straight WW it casts at 164 grains. Everything about it seems pretty simple, at first glance.

EXCEPT.....about 0.17" ahead of the front band, the nose starts to taper very gently from .300-.301" up to .308" at the narrow groove at the leading edge of the front band. This gentle increasing taper is barely visible, but as I think about it, it would seem to offer a guiding effect on the bullet as it enters the rifling leade. I drove one of the bullets into the muzzle of my new-condition #4 Enfield, and the land-engraving marks are very plainly extended about .160" ahead of the front band, where on my 311334, for instance, the engraving begins right at the edge of the forward band....and this is on a .303, where the dimensions are nominally larger than a US-type .30-caliber bore.

The cylindical portion of the nose measures .300-.301" as mentioned, and the bands are .311-.312". In this new .303 barrel, the bands are heavily engraved by the lands but do not quite bottom-out in the grooves. However, I imagine a gascheck seated in a .312" die will allow the bullet to serve well in this .303 barrel. At 164 grains, and with the dimensions as noted, and a very feed-friendly shape, it would seem that this might be a virtually perfect physical specimen for that new 7.62 NATO Fulton Armory M-14 that should be coming along next month. Whether the rifle itself agrees with that assessment is of course a whole 'nother matter, but right now I like the look of this bullet design.

Anyone else ever hear of this one???

Maven
07-28-2005, 09:09 AM
Bruce, Is -672 a reconfigured version of #311644; i.e., Ed Scmhitt's 13 year old 195gr. tapered CB (with 2 lube grooves on the nose)? The reason I'm suggesting this is Lyman, for reasons known only unto themselves, redesigned the 6.5 #268645 (also a "Schmittzer" and a miniature of -644) in a similar manner.

4060MAY
07-28-2005, 10:19 AM
Lyman 311672 is listed in the latest catalog, Lyman's answer to the RCBS 30-160-SP. Lyman has a ram above the picture indicating used for handgun sillywet.

B747
07-28-2005, 10:38 AM
Bruce,
The 311672 is a very good choice in the K-31 (7.5X55 Swiss).

These rifles have very short throats and this is one of the few
cast bullets I have found that will seat without the base ending
way below the neck/shoulder.

With 21 gns of SR-4759, I get 1850 fps and just over 1" groups at 100 yds.
Great load for the Cast Bullet 100/200 yd Military Matches.

fourarmed
07-28-2005, 11:28 AM
Bruce, it sounds a lot like the SAECO style bullet.

Hmm. After looking at the picture on the Lyman website, maybe that's not true.

BruceB
07-29-2005, 10:26 AM
Thanks for the comments, gents.

When I saw the "6xx" numbers, I figured it would be a late-date design that had escaped my notice, and sho' 'nuff, that's how it turned out.

Maven, I have the 268645 here, and although the 645 has a more-pronounced taper up to groove diameter ahead of the bands, this 672 bullet doesn't have the groove on the nose like the 6.5mm does.

When I first took the measurements on the bullet, it gave me a strong hunch that this will be a good one in a lot of rifles. The comment re: the K31 leads me to believe the 672 might be just the ticket for my new M-14, if it ever gets here.

I ran off around 500 copies in water-dropped WW yesterday in about an hour, so obviously the mould is working well. Bullets drop freely as soon as the mould is opened. NICE looking bullets.