300 grain 45 colt

[kingemandigger]

Hey guys,
I'm looking into making up some hunting loads for my 1892 45 Colt. Will be using a cast 300 grain RFN with GC and would like safe loads in the 1200-1600 fps range. I have all the H100 load data I need and thats fine, but I really like the idea of using 2400 as well. Unfortunetly neither Alliant or the Lyman reloading manuals that I have provide sufficient info on the use of this powder with this bullet. any experience or general safe load recomendations would be appreciated.

[chsparkman]

I am in no way an expert, but those velocities with a 300 gr. boolit seem somewhat extreme for an old Colt. They look more like loads for modern Blackhawks. I would be very careful.

[rexherring]

I am in no way an expert, but those velocities with a 300 gr. boolit seem somewhat extreme for an old Colt. They look more like loads for modern Blackhawks. I would be very careful.

Yup! You don't need a hand grenade.

[littlejack]

kingemandigger:
Welcome to the CastBoolits.
I am assuming you are referring to the 1892 lever action carbine/rifle, correct? Also, is the powder reference on your post a
typo, did you mean to print H110 powder?
In any case, the velocities (1200-1600 fps) you posted, with the 300 boolit, seem very high. I do not know the pressure limits of the 1892 action, but the high end of the velocity range with the 300 grain boolits, are, too high. The loads back then were with black powder, and the pressures were a lot lower than what you are going to get with the H110 and or the Alliant 2400 smokeless.
I would look up the pressure limits of the 1892 action, you may want to lower your expectations, and lower your powder charges.
Jack

[runfiverun]

ummm the 92's are made in 44 mag,454 casull,480 ruger,357 mag.
i keep my not casull etc. in the 35-k area. [personal preference]
the vogue used to be turning 25-20's and 32-20's into 357's.
the 92's are a strong action's, strong enough winchester used to put out ammo specifically for the 44-40/38-40 that was loaded to 44 mag levels.

[kingemandigger]

Reffering to a new Cimarron Model 1892 w/ 24in barrel. Sorry about that. Research done conferms up to a 50,000 psi tolerance, but I would like to keep it under 25,000. I do agree that the velocities I posted were a little ambitious, 1000-1200 would kill anything I could think of, but I do like to feel some kick, and have the ability to take out game. Most people use 18.5 grains of 2400 as a max. I probably will try a 17 grain starter load and work up to 19 grains for a sweet spot. wonder if anyone can attest to this

[chsparkman]

Reffering to a new Cimarron Model 1892 w/ 24in barrel. Sorry about that. Research done conferms up to a 50,000 psi tolerance, but I would like to keep it under 25,000. I do agree that the velocities I posted were a little ambitious, 1000-1200 would kill anything I could think of, but I do like to feel some kick, and have the ability to take out game. Most people use 18.5 grains of 2400 as a max. I probably will try a 17 grain starter load and work up to 19 grains for a sweet spot. wonder if anyone can attest to this

Silly me...I thought you were talking about a Colt revolver. My comments therefore would not apply.

[littlejack]

And I thought he was referring to an original 1892 Winchester, where black powder loads would have been the norm.
We get so confused when we do not get ALL of the information.

[kingemandigger]

yeah, an old 19th century gun sure wouldn't like these loads. Bang Kaboom Ouch. However, the new ones are even chambered in 44 mag.,454 casull, etc. these opperate at much higher pressures and thus my loads should be in the safe zone, even if a slight mistake is made (not gunna happen)... Just in the market for experience with 2400. My Lyman reloading manuals don't contain the info I need, nor does alliant's website (unlike Hodgon) Sounds like a great moderetly slow burning powder with good results. I have also heard that it is clean and can be loaded down to about 15-16grains... unlike H110. does anyone know a good load spread for me to start with using the bullet I will be using. also, has anyone found any forcing cone erosion with this powder, thanks

[Boolseye]

15-16 grains of 2400 under that bullet would be max or over-max in a TC or Ruger, and way over max in a typical Colt .45
I have in my data 18 grains of 2400 under a 250 grain bullet as MAX in TC/Ruger only for .45 Colt. I'm gonna go ahead and say 2400 is probably one of the worst powders for forcing cone erosion, just going by the tremendous gouts of flame that it produces in heavy loads. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

[kingemandigger]

July 18, 2010, 11:24 AM #2
ljnowell
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I use 2400 in 45 colt loads for my blackhawk. I run a 255gr lswc over 15 gr of 2400, a standard pressure load, near max. I also run a 300gr ltc over 18.5gr of 2400, well into ruger only range. Its a good powder for the application of making full powered ammo. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416754

[kingemandigger]

http://www.shootersforum.com/handloading-procedures-practices/909-45-colt-300-grain-wfn-w-2400-a.html

[runfiverun]

yeah....well,hmm i'd not use my load of 19.5 grs of 2400 under a 250 then.
i think 17 is a fine place to start and slowly work up from.

[rexherring]

Silly me...I thought you were talking about a Colt revolver. My comments therefore would not apply.
Yup, me too so never mind.

[krems]

Have you checked the chamber on your 1892 levergun yet?........Hopefully Cimarron got it right and gave you a tight chambered 45 colt. You may have to search out the right brass and bullet diameter combo that fits your rifle. What about seating depth / overall cartridge length. In my Marlin 1894 cowboy 45 colt rifle I have a large chamber, and don't think I could shoot that 300 gr.RFN bullet because of the overall length. I've only shot mild cowboy action loads w/ 250 grain bullets. I'm a little nervous to shoot the heavy 45 colt loads that I shoot out of a custom 5 shot revolver. 18 grains of 2400 and a 300 grain bullet will get your attention when fired out of a revolver.

Boolseye..... I agree with 2400 being a flamethrower. Not sure about the erosion you mentioned. 2400 has never chronographed very well for me but still seems to shoot the best out of my handguns in heavier loads. Go figure!

krems

[kingemandigger]

I'll certainly do that. My boolits have two crimp grooves so I will probably be able to seat as I like. That's why 2400 appealed to me ( less powder compression if I had to seat deeper) only time will tell with the chamber diameter as the gun is being shipped now:) the mold I already had is for 300 grain boolits. This just scares me a little because load data is usually for a 250 grain bullet. Hopefully reducing loads by 2 grains to compensate for pressure will treat my baby well. 16.5-17-17.5. Does anyone have this kind of experience

[Rooster59]

I'm using a heavy load of 2400 under a Nosler 250HP in my Rossi R92 (16.5")with good results. It's over traditional Ruger/TC loads but I worked up to it from 17.5gr in .5gr increments. No primer flattening or sticky extraction in my gun. I stopped at 22.0 because I achieved my FPS/ME goal there.

Don't let appearances fool you with the 92 clones though. The 92 clone (Rossi at least) receivers are the same up thru 44mag/45LC. The Casull, 480, etc. receivers have additional strengthening/heat-treating to enable them to withstand the higher pressures.

As far as 300+gr bullets Double Tap claims their 335GC (+P) ammo will do over 1600fps from a 16.5" carbine. Their 255SWCGC claims 1775fps from the same firearm. Sounds pretty hot to me but I don't have the ability to dispute that. I have no idea what powder they are using to achieve those results safely.

[MeanBobMean]

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/45-colt-load-data/370003

Hey fellers. Correct me if I am wrong, often am, but I think the 1892 in .45 LC is a recent development. Any 1892 .45, as I recall, is a stout piece. Buffalo Bore makes heavy 300 and I think higher loads and the link above is from G&A.

Peace, you damn hippies.

[MeanBobMean]

Oh, and Hawk Bullets makes some heavy projectiles for them.

[Wheelguns 1961]

I load a 300 grain bullet for my blackhawk. I use 18.0-18.5 grains of 2400. These are the top level for tier II. I have shot thousands of these and have taken plenty of game with them. No adverse effects on the gun.

[Castaway]

Do a search using Brian Pierce and 45 Colt. He did quite a work-up with different powders and different strength guns.

[PositiveCaster]

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/45-colt-load-data/370003

Hey fellers. Correct me if I am wrong, often am, but I think the 1892 in .45 LC is a recent development. Any 1892 .45, as I recall, is a stout piece. Buffalo Bore makes heavy 300…..

Hey feller, welcome aboard! Unfortunately, this thread is almost ten years old and the OP hasn’t been back to the forum in 7 years. He won’t care about your helpful post. It also explains about the M92 in .45 LC.



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[jonp]

15-16 grains of 2400 under that bullet would be max or over-max in a TC or Ruger, and way over max in a typical Colt .45
I have in my data 18 grains of 2400 under a 250 grain bullet as MAX in TC/Ruger only for .45 Colt. I'm gonna go ahead and say 2400 is probably one of the worst powders for forcing cone erosion, just going by the tremendous gouts of flame that it produces in heavy loads. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Not as bad as Lil Gun