Silly boolit, Keith's are for colts not 1911s

[JTknives]

Well I loaded up some 454424 250gr Keith's in the 45acp for the new 1911. I'm looking for a mild plinking load for the girlfriend. This load is using 3.5grs of bullseye and according to quickloads that's 11,432psi and 675fps. Now I just hope it will cycle the action.

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[Chicken Thief]

Ohhhh my, those are some fine boolits and rounds!

But a wet dream here in Denmark :'-(

[Smitty's Retired]

JT, keep us posted. I've been thinking the same thing on some .452-250-LRNFP boolits.

[beagle]

Good luck on the 424 in a M1911. I've loaded them and shot them but I never quite got them to feed reliably. The 452423 after some seating depth tinkering did all right.

You'll probably have to have a very polished ramp to get them to work. In mine, even though they finally fed, there was a noticable hesitation or what I called a "double clutch" in the feeding cycle.

If you're looking for a heavyweight .45, look at the 454190. It feeds well in my M1911./beagle

[scattershot]

A Youmay need to play with the seating depth a little,.but I have gotten them.to feed in my 1911s. Good luck!

[RoGrrr]

JT
That's the boolit I shoot exclusively in my 1911. I don't have any feed problems. And when I hit a bowling pin with it, there is no doubt I hit it.
BTW, I push it with 6.3 grains of Universal Clays. My only complaint is that it smokes a lot but it does burn cleaner than BE.

Beagle
I had a similar double clutch but found mine to be an improperly marked sizing die which was giving me .454 rather than the marked .451. I run the same boolits thru my Star, sizing them to .452 and they feed flawlessly. And the only reason I checked the size was bcuz a fellow shooter noticed a bulge in the case equaling the depth of the boolit which the Dillon didn't squeeze down in either die. When he asked what size mine were I said .452 and he suggested I check them. When I used a caliper on them I had MY EYES OPENED ! :shock:
Now I don't take things for granted. I check everything.

BTW, I shoot a DW K03S version of the 1911.

[jimb16]

I use it in my Remingtom 1911a1 and in my Kimber. No hiccups in either.

[JTknives]

I can hand cycle a full mag and its slick as glass. I'm running at 1.23OAL and that's just about as far out as I could go and fit in the mag. I think I might drop the next batch down a touch to prevent mag problems.

[saint_iverson]

JT
That's the boolit I shoot exclusively in my 1911. I don't have any feed problems. And when I hit a bowling pin with it, there is no doubt I hit it.
BTW, I push it with 6.3 grains of Universal Clays. My only complaint is that it smokes a lot but it does burn cleaner than BE.

Beagle
I had a similar double clutch but found mine to be an improperly marked sizing die which was giving me .454 rather than the marked .451. I run the same boolits thru my Star, sizing them to .452 and they feed flawlessly. And the only reason I checked the size was bcuz a fellow shooter noticed a bulge in the case equaling the depth of the boolit which the Dillon didn't squeeze down in either die. When he asked what size mine were I said .452 and he suggested I check them. When I used a caliper on them I had MY EYES OPENED ! :shock:
Now I don't take things for granted. I check everything.

BTW, I shoot a DW K03S version of the 1911.

Wait what? You say a 250gr Boolit with 6.3gr CLAYS??? REALLY? Seems VERY excessive!

And JT looking good!!

[MT Chambers]

Wait a minute, wouldn't a 255 grain bullet kick more then a 185gr., even at 600+ fps???

[JTknives]

If the kinetic energy is the same for a 185gr and 255 that means the 255gr is going slower. A slower boolit will be less snappy then a faster one. She don't mind recoil but hates the snappy feeling.

[Thumbcocker]

I won't stand down range and try to catch one.

[JTknives]

Well just tested the loads and thy work perfect. Even one handed it cycled perfect. Shot to POA and was mild. I took a video of shooting it. Here is the link.

http://youtu.be/UQQbHIdw6l4

[RoGrrr]

Saint
The boolit is actually 255 grains and I'm thinkin that I could still go up maybe another half grain and not be at max. I want to be able to knock the pin into the next county.
I also believe I can load my 9s with it. That's why I started loading with Bullseye. It loads both calibers and uses the lowest charge weight. However, somehow I started using Clays and am happy with it. I still have some BE and prolly will use it for punching holes in paper.

MT Chambers
I was wondering that same thing about the heavy vs lighter boolit... I'll have to do some experimenting now

JT
Nice grouping !

[EMC45]

Nice gun, loads and groups.

[saint_iverson]

I'm a Clays guy myself, but max for a 230+ boolit according to the loading data is around 4 grains, and youre using 6+, isn't that weakening you pistol? Just seems like an overpressure issue waiting to happen.

[BeeMan]

I'm a Clays guy myself, but max for a 230+ boolit according to the loading data is around 4 grains, and youre using 6+, isn't that weakening you pistol? Just seems like an overpressure issue waiting to happen.

He said 6.3 of Universal Clays. That is a Unique speed powder, not the same as Clays.

[digger44]

Very nice looking rounds.

[DLCTEX]

Even with Universal the max load with 230 gr. is 5.4 gr. I think he's playing with danger. I have shot 250 gr. boolits in my 1911, but the frame takes a beating unless a very heavy recoil spring is used. The lugs also get hammered when you go beyond what the gun was designed for. Just my dos centavos.

[JTknives]

Even with Universal the max load with 230 gr. is 5.4 gr. I think he's playing with danger. I have shot 250 gr. boolits in my 1911, but the frame takes a beating unless a very heavy recoil spring is used. The lugs also get hammered when you go beyond what the gun was designed for. Just my dos centavos.

I'm only running 3.5grs of bullseye, it should not be any where near max.

[DLCTEX]

My comment was in reference to Rogrr, post #6. Your load should be ok.

[Mooseman]

I recommended that 3.5 gr Bullseye load to JT. We developed it back in the 70's for Bowling Pin shoots and named it "The flying sledgehammer" because of it being a slow heavy bullet , yet accurate , and manageable recoil in our Colts. It knocked the pins down good.

Rich

[youngda9]

Did you lube those ?

[RoGrrr]

OK, purely in jest, tongue in cheek, and for yous liberals who can't take ANY kind of joke, I'm red-assin YOU, I'm responding to all your cautionary posts.



One of my fellow shooter is and has been shooting 6.5 Universal Clays under his 255s for a number of years in the same gun and he has had NO problems with his load.
Just to make sure I called Hogd today to verify HOW BAD IT IS and since they are CLOSED, on "holiday break/shutdown" (that's politically correct sh8 for Christmas holidays) and would not answer their fones, I have to surmise that my 6.3 load MUST BE SAFE ! They didn't tell me it's unsafe....
Looking at my empties, I see no signs of over pressure and I have loaded several of those cases into their 5th and 6th times and have had no problem with any of them. No flat primers, no split necks.

Beyond this, look at that other item called - 460 ROWLAND !
Same slide. Same barrel. Just longer cast and deeper chamber. And if you own a 460, you can put 45s in the same magazine and shoot them.
Essentially the same case, same boolit, same primer and it shoots the same, albeit a bit more reeeecoil. That round pushes a bit more pressure but the 1911 has enough balls to handle it. When it comes to pressure, isn't the 45 low pressure but the 460 UPs it a bit. How much pressure is the 1911 able to handle ?
Look at 460 stats.
Am I worried ?

I keep loading and shooting.

Would I load these for my buddy ?
I think not. It's bcuz of that scourge - called LAWYERS

Would I let him shoot them in MY gun ?

YES !

Also, I dint like BE bcuz it leaves so much crud in my gun. UC is a lot cleaner.

[runfiverun]

roger the 22lr is specced to higher pressure than the 45 acp is.
by about 4 k.
jt's load is fine.
i use the 452664 with 5. sumthin grains of unique just to avoid the snappy recoil.
i went to unique with the 200 and 230's just for the longer recoil impulse then tried it with the heavier boolit.

[geargnasher]

RoGrrr, there are several flaws in your train of "logic" regarding what is safe in your pistol or anyone else's, particularly attempting to judge pressure signs by primer condition in a 21k psi cartridge. But I will leave you to your ends, only mentioning further that posting such on the internet can be considered the rough equivalent of letting someone else shoot ammunition you loaded in their guns.

Gear

[RoGrrr]

<SNIP> posting such on the internet can be considered the rough equivalent of letting someone else shoot ammunition you loaded in their guns.

Gear

Gear
I understand what you are saying. And if others want to shoot what I do, let them. It works for me. But if it doesn't work for them, I'm not part of their equation. Let them sue me or someone else. I have a good lawyer.
As my good friend, ABE LINCOLN said, "don't believe everything you see on the internet".

I'll be shooting some MORE of them more this weekend.

I'll talk with someone at Hodgdon next year, I'll post it and if THEY blow up my gun, I'll sue them.

[Boolseye]

I load the Lee 452-255 SWC in my 1911s with 5.4 grains of Unique. Hard hitting and accurate, and they feed without a hiccup. That's a max charge as listed for a 260 grain bullet in Lee's .45 data.