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jballs918
06-28-2007, 03:17 PM
im looking into one of these and i was wondering who has one out there thanks

Bullshop
06-28-2007, 03:23 PM
We have one for sale. Has a Weaver K 1.5 to 4.5X and Pachmayer decelerator pad and sights. $600.00 to the USA
BIC/BS

jballs918
06-28-2007, 03:49 PM
bullshop as much of a deal that is, i was just looking for infomation on them is all. if it was later in the year i would of most likely taken you up on that offer

Bodydoc447
06-28-2007, 04:15 PM
I have one.

Doc

axman
06-28-2007, 06:38 PM
I have 3 2-1s and a lyman cent. that I put 3 shots into .625'' at 100 yards with the 4x tube scope that came on it.

wiljen
06-28-2007, 07:15 PM
I have a #1 in 45-70, it's one of my favorite rifles and was a favorite of the gent I purchased it from too. Shoots like a dream with a 300gr cast and 19.5 Unique.

singleshotbuff
06-28-2007, 10:28 PM
I have a #3, does that count? LOL

Kills on the front, cripples on the rear.

SSB

Johnch
06-28-2007, 10:57 PM
I have owned 2 - #1's and a #3
Always have someone offer me to much $$ when I had bills to pay [smilie=b: [smilie=b:

Still close to my favorit lead launcher

:castmine: John

charlie / sw mo
06-28-2007, 11:27 PM
1v got a # 1 in 45-70

jballs918
06-29-2007, 12:49 AM
well gentleman the reason why i asked is becuase i was wondering how these do for a long range verse a short range rifle. im looking for something that i can shot with long range. from what you guys say these are pretty good shooters.

Nardoo
06-29-2007, 04:06 AM
I use cast boolits in mine exclusively now that I have got the barrel right. It is a ball to shoot with 400 to 500 grain projectiles. You are going to love a #1 in 45/70. You will need boolts around .462" for best accuracy. I beagled my molds early but now use .462" molds from CBE.

Nardoo

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p317/nardoo/100_0229.jpg

Frank46
06-29-2007, 04:44 AM
I bought a #1 in 45-70 some years back. Was shooting at 200 with a buddy heavy into BPCR. Cleaned my clock. But had a darn good time. Still wish ruger had went with a longer length bbl on it. Still looks like a carbine to me. They got it right when they designed the cenntennial model. Frank

Bad Ass Wallace
06-29-2007, 08:23 AM
I started with 45/70 and went to a 45/120 3.25" case

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/BAWallace/45_120_Sharps.jpg

9.3X62AL
06-29-2007, 10:58 AM
I enjoy my #1 x 45-70 very much. It is in my top 4 favorites with castings.

jballs918
06-29-2007, 11:13 AM
ok guys anyone out there also shoot anything over yet say 400 yards with this or is that asking to much of the gun. i have a leopold 3x9 that i can use for glass. im just looking to see what im getting into is all. i have read alot about them but never got and real info i was looking for. like are these hard to dail in with the right bullet and also ahs anyone found a bullet that works for all things that they wanted out of it. ei.. hunting, paper punching any multi use bullets. and also is the brass hard to get for this gun. i want a single shot one day and this one is in the lead. and again thanks for all your inputs

felix
06-29-2007, 11:46 AM
The real question you have to ask yourself: Do I really want to send that much lead down range? Shoulder wise as well as inventory wise? If so, how often will I do it? ... felix

Dr. A
06-29-2007, 12:07 PM
I've got one. It'll shoot anything I give it very accurately.

9.3X62AL
06-29-2007, 12:50 PM
The 45-70 is a premier long-range caliber, but goes about its business in a very different way than a flat-shooting varmint rig. You might consult some experienced BPCR shooters, who use this caliber (and other old-time chamberings) to go well past 600 yards. This often involves heavy-for-caliber boolits and sub-sonic velocities, substantial recoil in a 7.5# rifle, and basketball trajectories--but the radial dispersion is still small.

My #1 seems to do its best work with the 400 grain-class boolits at 1000-1400 FPS velocities. Those kinds of loads can be fired all day in the #1--recoil is noticeable, but not uncomfortable. Cases are easy to find.

My #1 has what is known as a "Government Ballseat", which consists of a VERY abrupt rifling leade and very short throat. Any boolit over 400-425 grains needs a bore-rider portion, or too much powder capacity gets eaten up by boolit shank.

jballs918
06-29-2007, 03:19 PM
ok let me fish more info from you all. does anyone know teh twist rate on a newer 45/70. as i stated before im looking for as much info as i can get

SharpsShooter
06-29-2007, 03:38 PM
ok let me fish more info from you all. does anyone know teh twist rate on a newer 45/70. as i stated before im looking for as much info as i can get

Ruger 1-S is 1:20 Right Hand twist. The 4570 is a well proven long range performer. You must be familiar with judging distance and adjust accordingly, but it is tough to beat for a versatile caliber.

SS

wills
06-29-2007, 09:31 PM
ok let me fish more info from you all. does anyone know teh twist rate on a newer 45/70. as i stated before im looking for as much info as i can get


http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdSpecsView?model=1399

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdSpecsView?model=1327

Bob S
06-30-2007, 12:13 AM
I've got one, but it's not exactly out-of-the-box "stock": (with apologies for the poor picture)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/BobS1/BPCR/Ruger45-70LRFL.jpg

It certainly was fun to shoot.

Resp'y,
Bob S.

45nut
06-30-2007, 01:01 AM
As usual Bob's rifle is worth looking at.

I sure look forward to reading your stuff, another of the Masters we have in our membership.

kennisondan
07-17-2007, 10:46 PM
Kind of late, but I have one, too.. the 50th anniversary model. I shot the 45 70 lever and decided I would drop my beloved 270 and go with that same cartridge in a single shot. Always loved the number ones, always have one.
If you are going to go to extreme ranges I have heard the 45 70 is a great cartridge, but most folks like the modern faster cartridges for really long range work..
I do plan to use mine for a lot of different distances, but I think it will take accurate ranging and a lot more than casual practice to do it really long range like 400 to 600..
doing it the hard way is sort of what it is about : single shot, old cartridge, ... you may decide to use iron sights as well like it was done by the original sharpshooters.
I have the stock irons on mine right now, but may change that over time...if need be...(but heck I like open sighted six shooters too ). no one I know has not liked the 45 70 .. talk to someone who shoots precision long range with large calibers and then you will know what I cannot tell you for sure. good luck with the learning experience.. advise what you decide to do and if it meets your criteria.
dk

38-55
07-18-2007, 07:05 AM
jballs918,
I've shot my browning bpcr out to 1100 yards..the cartridge is as accurate as you are.... You will probably need a site with more travel than what your loopey has..
Just get one, shoot it and enjoy.
Calvin

hivoltfl
07-18-2007, 11:04 AM
I dont have one of those but if someone was tired of theirs and was gonna dump it in the can I know where a good can is sitting!!

Rick

Char-Gar
07-18-2007, 02:09 PM
I have had a No. 3 since the mid 80's and killed several deer with it and those dreadful little yellow thingies. The biggest deer I ever killed was a ten point mulie in the Glass Mountains of Texas. It took a 350 Hornaday over 55/3031 through the lungs and literaly dropped in it's tracks neveer to move again.

It is a very accurate rifle turning in MOA or 1.5 MOA with both condum and cast bullets.

Kicks like hell, but very very accurate and deadly to boot.

9.3X62AL
07-18-2007, 03:14 PM
It is a very accurate rifle turning in MOA or 1.5 MOA with both condum and cast bullets.

Kicks like hell, but very very accurate and deadly to boot.

Charles just did a fine job of describing my #1 and its performance.

My barrel has eight-grooves to the right and goes .459" X .449". The abrupt rifling origin makes paper-patched boolits a no-go, but it shoots so well "as-is" with castings that I won't have its leade angle tapered out. Once the barrel wears out (I'm approaching 3K rounds with it) it will get re-tubed with a more gradual throat leade angle. I figure the barrel is about half-done when it gets to 3K--that has taken 11 years--and it gets used a lot more these days.

felix
07-18-2007, 03:34 PM
No, Al, no need to get rid of that barrel as long as it shoots good. If you want it to wear in faster, then increase the antimony in your boolits, and reduce the tin amount at the same time. Load these boolits with powder giving 40K plus, while keeping the recoil roughly the same or even lighter. Boolit speed should go down because of the "faster" powder. In compensation, you should see a nicely formed land approach after the next 3K rounds. Might even take longer, though, because that gun more than likely uses 4140 steel throughout. ... felix

Paul B
07-18-2007, 04:17 PM
I have one, that, based on the serial number was made in 1978. It has the longer throat of the earlier models and will allow seating of the early Lee 400 gr. flat plain based boollit and the 500 Gr. Lee gas checked boolit seated well out. My favorite boolit in the rifle is the Lyman #457122, the Gould hollow point over 16.0 gr. of SR-4759.
Paul B.

mdatlanta
07-25-2007, 05:34 PM
I have one as well. I put a NECG peep on it, so I don't do much long-distance shooting, except some informal shooting at 200yd targets every so often. As others have posted, it is a very versatile caliber for targets or hunting using either cast or "j-word" bullets.

I'll reiterate another point someone else has already said, and that is one needs to be a good judge of distance due to the rainbow-shaped trajectory. I had a heck of a time trying to get on target at longer ranges, but after a bit of shooting it became much easier. As usual, practice pays off.

MGySgt
07-25-2007, 08:54 PM
A No 1 45/70 was my second 45/70 nd my first single shot - I do have trouble keeping scopes on it. Weaver Grand slams don't hold up - blew up to of those, a LEPO 2X7 and a Nikon 2X7. Settled on shotgun scopes on my other 45/70's, just can't find the shot gun scope I want for it now.

Cast or Hornady 350's don't matter - shoots them both to MOA.


Drew

lovedogs
07-25-2007, 09:39 PM
Don't have a #1 but do shoot real long-range with my Buffalo Classic. It also has a 1:20 twist. Out to a quarter mile or so almost any good shooting bullet will do but if you're gonna shoot real long you'll want a good 500 gr. bullet. We shoot out to a half-mile on our range. Best results are always with the heavy 500 gr. loaded to about 1200 FPS. My best groups so far have run in the 5 to 6 in. range at our longest target, 876 yds., using a Lee Shaver sight. Light bullets don't buck wind well at long ranges. A 500 gr. RN 1881-type bullet will stabilize to 3500 yds. Your main problem using a #1 at long range may be getting a tang sight mounted on it. To use a scope you'll need special mounts due to limited adjustment in them. Maybe this is why we see few of these on the silhouette range. A #1 is probably a fine hunting rifle but maybe not as easy to set up for a long-range target rifle.

Frank46
07-26-2007, 01:49 AM
Bob.S, that looks like a redfield international rear sight on your #1. But then I could be wrong. How did you have it mounted??. I have an old redfield adaptor plate for a martini and was figuring on using it on my #1 in 45/70. The factory sights are junk, and even with a conetrol scope base I can't get the scope back far enough to get a decent cheek weld and good view through the scope. I bought a couple of the parker-hale globe sights when sarco had them on sale. They came with a set of lee shaver inserts that work well in the globe sights. I don't hunt anymore but like to punch paper. That's a really nice #1. Frank

Marine Sgt 2111
07-26-2007, 12:40 PM
The cartridge is an outstanding performer. During the early '80's while on the 29 palms range practicing for an NRA match, I shot from the 600 yard line with a Shilo Sharps Long Range Express in .45-70. I was shooting Lyman 457125 boolits of wheelweight alloy at some 1300fps.

Everyone was laughing....a big ha ha using "that old gun." The first shot scored an "8" on the "deadly" decimal target, made a sight adjustment, second shot scored a"9" as did the third and the last scored a "10." The laughing had long since stopped.:shock:

Using a custom rear peep sight that I made, I have shot that combo of rifle/ammo/sight out to a mile hitting a 4 foot boulder, at will, until it was boring and the boulder was silver. I did use shooting sticks.

While my .300 Win Mag will shoot 1000yds...it's just not the same.

HORNET
07-27-2007, 12:40 PM
Al,
Why don't you quit complaining about the throat on that #1 and lap it to a decent shape ? Finn45 posted his process on that about a year ago under Bullet Casting/Cast Boolits/ Buffalo Classic .45-70... if I do this right I should be able to attach a thread link.....
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=7623 (first try at this so it may not work :-? )
Buckshot probably won't charge you more than 1/2 an arm for the lathe time to make some lapping arbors and you get nice clean sharp rifling origins, unlike fire-lapping. :-D
I've been meaning to ask 45nut to add that post in his sticky library, but couldn't find it due to technical problems with my filing system ( big box full of printouts :roll: ).

45nut
07-27-2007, 01:08 PM
All ya had to do was ask.....
I copied it into the "Classics & Stickies" under "throat lapping a buff classic"

Bob S
08-01-2007, 12:01 PM
Bob.S, that looks like a redfield international rear sight on your #1. How did you have it mounted??.

Frank:

It is indeed a Redfield International. I built this rifle in 1994, when the BPCR Long Range Rules were still "Provisional", and any iron sights could be used, and you could use the sling. The mount was designed by me and made by a friend with an experimental NC set-up on his Bridgeport. I handed him a floppy with an AutoCAD Release 10 file on it, and it spit out the part. There is insufficient range of elevation on the Redfield sight for 45-70 from 100 to 1000 yards, so it had to have three mounting positions to move the sight up for the longer ranges. It worked quite well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/BobS1/Ruger%20No%201/Ruger45-70LRrearsight.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/BobS1/Ruger%20No%201/Ruger45-70LRrearsightbase.jpg

The rules for the game have changed significantly. This sight would not be allowed, because it's not "traditional"; but then they allow artificial support, rifles over ten pounds, set triggers, and they shoot rifle types that didn't exist at the time of the great International matches, so I lost interest in the game.

Resp'y,
Bob S.

Frank46
08-02-2007, 01:38 AM
Bob.S, many thanks for the reply. I don't plan on shooting BPCR but just paper punchin. I have a spare international and parker hale globe front sight. Just wanted to shoot maybe 100, 200 and maybe 300yds. And use the stuff I already have rather than go out and buy new stuff. That's one really beautiful rifle. I've said this often, that ruger should have made the #1 in 45/70 with at least a 24" bbl. it still looks like a carbine to me. And looks kinda funny with a scope. Thanks again, Frank

9.3X62AL
08-02-2007, 07:16 AM
Felix/Hornet--

If the rifle didn't shoot so well with the paperless castings, I would consider one of those routes. As it is now, it does fine work--so I'm not inclined to take wrenches to things not broken. If I really get the itch to hunt with paper-patched boolits, there is always the 9.3 x 62 that does very well with that class of projectile.

Speaking of scratching an itch......I recently acquired a copy of Lyman #462560 with both HP and short pin assemblies. A previous borrowed mold of this pattern shot VERY well in the Ruger, so I'm looking forward to launching these hammers from the light, handy little #1. Ya never know, the same global warming that is killing off the condors might prompt the mastodon's renaissance. It's good to be ready for such eventualities.

Dogmann
08-25-2013, 11:38 PM
Does anyone know the twist rate on the Ruger Lyman 45/70?

curator
08-26-2013, 10:24 PM
My Ruger #1 has a 1 in 20 inch twist and shoots boolits of 350-480 grains (.462 diameter) with great precision. Recoil is a bit much and it "do eat" scopes. A Nikon "Buckmaster" lasted about 20 rounds before the variable power carrier gave up. The nice folks at Nikon gave me a replacement and indicated I was done--"don't ask for another." I have added a lead weight in the butt stock and a slip on recoil pad which has helped. Great rifle even if on the light side. Ruger should have marketed this with a 30 inch octagon barrel and serious "diopter" sights.

MGySgt
08-26-2013, 11:19 PM
Curator - Bushnell Banner's in about 1.75 to 4.5 (I think) will stand up to the recoil. I have one on my No 1 in 45/70. It has been there AFTER I blew up 2 Grand Slams, 1 Leopold, 1 Nikon, 1 Redfield and one other I can't remember.

EDG
08-26-2013, 11:57 PM
I can't say you will have much fun using a Ruger #1 for long range.
For that application you typically use a heavy bullet. Many 45-70 shooters get hot over loading them to higher pressure and velocity. The Ruger #1 is too short and light for a lot of heavy bullets or high velocity.
It would be good if you got to shoot one a bit before plunking down that much money. I much prefer the heavier Browning BPCR for range use and the standard Brownings for hunting.
I own both Brownings and Rugers so I am not just slamming a brand that I do not own or have no experience with. I have probably shot the light weight Ruger #3 the most but only using plinking loads.

Frank46
08-27-2013, 12:30 AM
I too have a number ! in 45-70 and found out will need a mold that will cast at least .462 to get good accuracy. There is no throat on my barrel so sometimes I have to play around with seating depth. Frank

9.3X62AL
08-27-2013, 02:19 AM
No glassware on my #1 X 45-70, I have one of the NECG aperture sights in place on the rear scope ring dovetail. There is enough elevation adjustment on this sight to carry me to 300 yards shooting 400 grain-class boolits at 1300 FPS, so as a hunting sight it is certainly adequate to the task. 300 yards is likely twice the range I would attempt a game shot with such loads.

MGySgt
08-27-2013, 09:01 AM
No matter how you slice it - a Ruger No 1 in 45/70 is going have some recoil. The lightest kicking rounds I shot were factory 300 grainers.

My hunting load is a 430 gr GC with a 75% meplate at 1750 FPS and it does let you know that the hammer fell. It will kill on one end and maim on the other. It depends on how you hold it.

Felt recoil in my Marlin Guide Gun is not near as much as it is with the Ruger shooting the same loads.

But it does shoot sub MOA when you do your part!

MGySgt
08-27-2013, 09:02 AM
No matter how you slice it - a Ruger No 1 in 45/70 is going have some recoil. The lightest kicking rounds I shot were factory 300 grainers.

My hunting load is a 430 gr GC with a 75% meplate at 1750 FPS and it does let you know that the hammer fell. It will kill on one end and maim on the other. It depends on how you hold it.

Felt recoil in my Marlin Guide Gun is not near as much as it is with the Ruger shooting the same loads.

But it does shoot sub MOA when you do your part!

1Shirt
08-27-2013, 12:34 PM
My #1 in 45-70 was my first #1 Ruger! Would be one of the last rifles I would be willing to part with. Has has hundreds/probably more like thousands of cast thru it, and maybe a couple of hundred jacketed. Great shooter!
1Shirt!

ColColt
08-27-2013, 12:50 PM
If they would make one with a 28 inch slightly heavier barrel I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I doubt that's going to happen, however.

ColColt
08-27-2013, 07:21 PM
Oh, I know all about the 45-90. I had a Shiloh Sharps in that caliber...beat me to death with it's narrow, steel, crescent butt plate. I sent it back to them and had it rebarreled. I don't want anything close to that caliber. I do like longer barrels than 22 or 24 inch as I like using black powder. My Browning 1885 is chambered for the 45-70 but has a 30" barrel and weighs about 11 pounds. Great shooter with 60-64 gr of black powder and a 500 gr bullet.

NoZombies
09-05-2013, 10:45 PM
I've got a SS #1 in 45/70. The thing must not like me, as it tries to beat me to death every time I shoot it.

MGySgt
09-06-2013, 09:03 AM
The only thing I really dislike about my No 1 is that I can not shoot loads made up for my Marlins - The throat is too short in the No 1 and I have to seat the boolits deeper in the No 1.

Corbi
09-15-2013, 10:46 AM
I am on my second #1 in 45/70 and my 4th 45/70. LOL I have killed several deer and hogs with the 45/70. It is one of my favorites for close range hunting. The bigger the meplat the better on game.

The 4 I have owned:
Started with a ported Guide Gun. Too much blast very high rate of fire......my favorite rifle ever. That beast blasted my ears every time I hunted with it.
Sold it to a friend of mine. He tells me that he makes sure that the end of the barrel is outside of the blind before he pulls the trigger. I bet he does! LOL again!

Second 45/70 was a blued #1. Great rifle! Handy as the Guide Gun but with a 22" barrel. Seemed lighter too. Got caught out in the rain a couple of times and decided that I needed the rifle to be all weather. I used a Weaver 1X3 on this rifle with no troubles. Recoil is all there with 43 grains of Rx7 and a 350 grain cast. Sold the rifle to a Ruger collector at the gun show.

Third 45/70 was a Marlin XLR. My intent was to chop the barrel to 20". It shot well but was not as handy as the #1. The stock was checkered which i liked. Made the decision not to alter the rifle as this would probably destroy the resale value if I decided I didn't like it. Sold the rifle at the gun show to a fella from texas that wanted to use it for a custom 450 AK build up.

4th, current and final 45/70 is a stainless #1. This is the best of all worlds (IMO). Short, light, handy, still retains the 22 inch barrel and is all weather to boot. My only wish is that Ruger had checkered the stock. I am using a Leupold VXIII 1.5X5scope. I may in time change to the EER 2X from Leupold. I plan on using this rifle this year on a special draw hunt I got drawn for......heavy timber with maybe 75 yard maximum shots, lots of other hunters and really big bucks!

My observation is that with the #1 followup shots are a little slow. Using a scope that mounts forward of the reciever (like the Leupold 2X EER scope) would help speed reloads up. Also one of the aftermarket safeties that are available now would help a little with reloading. Still, you are not going to get a second shot on a herd of hogs. I have reloaded fast enough to get a second shot if I wanted to on deer. Not every time though.

Corbi

Kristoffer
09-15-2013, 04:52 PM
I have one. Red pad version but i mounted a limbsaver to ease the felt recoil a bit.

81889

//Kristoffer

oldgeezershooter
09-17-2013, 01:36 AM
I have used my #1 for 300 yd. shooting old propane tanks, 405gr. cast bullet w/50gr. Varget , made a hole as big as your fist where it exited.
I have an old El Paso Weaver K-4-1 scope and it has held up fine.
I also have killed two Elk using Barnes 300gr. spitzer Hollow points at 2700fps, like they said, kills on one end , maims on the other end. Neither Elk left his position except to FDGB.

Clay M
09-24-2013, 02:25 PM
I have owned them before. Nice chambering in the #1. I would prefer they put a 24" tube like the tropical rifle.There is a distributor special this year with a 26" barrel.My newest #1 woods rifle is in .405 win. I do like it better than the .45/70 #1 that I had.It kills deer dead it their tracks.

Clay M
10-19-2013, 09:24 PM
I cast with my Saeco #017 350gr .45 cal GC mold today.This mold is one of the best casting molds I have. Bullets fall from the mold with ease.I used 80% wheelweight and 20% linotype.The bullets weigh 339grs and are .461 dia.I don't have a sizer die that size so I may use a gas check seater,and pan lube them.I think the accuracy load in the Lyman manual is 43grs or Rel 7 for about 1650-1700 fps.My #1 slugs at .458
I found that setting my mold on my hot plate on 3,preheated the mold perfectly.The hot plate temp was running a 560 F. Then I could restock the pot and cast bullets with ease.

bigted
10-20-2013, 01:33 PM
I have one. Red pad version but i mounted a limbsaver to ease the felt recoil a bit.

81889

//Kristoffer

nice Moose. looks like the Sveeden moose like to be courted with the #1 as well as the Alaskan variety. I also like your cartridge extra's ... did you buy that or build it? I second the "limbsaver" it sure makes my shooting a lot better and less painful.

Kristoffer
10-20-2013, 01:50 PM
nice Moose. looks like the Sveeden moose like to be courted with the #1 as well as the Alaskan variety. I also like your cartridge extra's ... did you buy that or build it? I second the "limbsaver" it sure makes my shooting a lot better and less painful.

Yes it works like a charm over here too :-P

The cartridge holder is bought over here by a leathershop. Itīs attached with velcro and i think itīs a good placement if a quick follow-up shot is needed.

//Kristoffer

bigted
10-20-2013, 02:04 PM
cool ... thanks

Shooter6br
10-20-2013, 02:41 PM
I use 4759 23 g with Ranchdog(boy do I miss him) 350 g I also use 12.5 g Unique for target loads. H322 for hunting load

Shooter6br
10-20-2013, 02:45 PM
My Ruger No. 1 S/S laminate84835

Clay M
10-20-2013, 06:59 PM
I like hunting with a #1 but it is no different for me than any other gun. I always make every shot count,and I won't take a shot that I am unsure of.Too bad they no longer make any of the #1's in Stainless Steel.Maybe this is temporary because of the run on semiautomatic guns.The #1 has finally reached a price point that will only be attractive to the few.I have always had good luck with the #1 in .45/70 They seem to shoot really well.

slam45
02-02-2014, 10:39 AM
recoil problems in the No.1S 45-70 are nearly eliminated by getting rid of Ruger's lame solid rubber stock end grain protector and replacing it with a real recoil pad, and adjust the length of pull so it correct for the shooter.... once this is taken care of the are a joy to shoot....