Need help on selecting a 45-70

[41 mag fan]

Hopefully can get some advice on selecting a 45-70. I seen a Browning 45-70 at the gunshow over the weekend, and fell in love with it. octagon barrel and it was an and NIB. Only problem was the $1400 bottom dollar it would sell for.

Is there a Marlin or similar style lever action 45-70 out there on the market thats like the Brownings?
I'm really wanting the octagon barrel, but sadly at this time $1400 is out of my price range till I get back to work and off medical leave.

Thanks for any help.

[ammohead]

Marlin has made since mid nineties a 26" octagon barreled 45-70 called the cowboy model 1895CB. Not sure with all the changes marlin is going through the last couple of years if they still manufacture the cowboy but used ones are out there. It is quite a bit lighter than the brownings at just a tad less than 8 lbs empty. This means that they can be a bit punishing at the velocities so popular today. But if loads are kept reasonable they are comfortable to shoot, point well and are quite accurate. I paid a bit over $500 for mine new back in 1998 but they go closer to $700 now when you find them. Try gunbroker.com

[ReloaderFred]

I have a standard 1895 Marlin, and an 1895CB, and I can recommend both of them. The moose I got with my standard 1895 went down to one shot, while all the other hunters in camp with their .300 Win. Magnums all put at least 3 to 4 rounds into their moose, losing a lot of meat in the process.

The used rifles are out there, just don't get in a big hurry. Wait for the one you want to come along. I just passed on another 1895CB last month for $650.00, in almost new condition.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[41 mag fan]

Thanks Fred and ammohead. I'm in no big hurry... Wednesday morning i'll be in surgery and laid up for better part of Jan till i'll be able to get around, maybe Feb if my surgery don't go well like last yrs. So I wont be in a big hurry, thats for sure.
I'm just trying to get a feel about whats out there, haven't really thought of a lever action, till I seen that Browning saturday......now i'm lovestruck till i can get one similar to it!!

[TXGunNut]

I'm a big fan of the Guide Gun, a shorter version of the 1895. Odd thing about these 1895's in any configuration is that they tend to shoot nearly as well as a bolt gun. You don't need to push a 45-70 very hard to get the job done but the 1895 will handle all but the most extreme loads, lots more than I want to subject myself to. If you can find a used GG with the integral muzzle brake I'd go for it but bear in mind it's very loud for anyone to the side of you.
The Browning is a pretty gun but the Marlin gets it done for me. Still want a Browning or a Winchester but I won't trade my Marlin for one.

[nhrifle]

Personally, my vote goes for a Sharps or Highwall since I am such a history buff, but that's just me. Give me that and some paper patched rounds loaded with black powder and I am in heaven. As far as the lever gun, I'd go with a Marlin as well. Superbly accurate, reliable, and one of the strongest and silky smooth actions I know of.

[superior]

I'm a big fan of the Guide Gun, a shorter version of the 1895. Odd thing about these 1895's in any configuration is that they tend to shoot nearly as well as a bolt gun. You don't need to push a 45-70 very hard to get the job done but the 1895 will handle all but the most extreme loads, lots more than I want to subject myself to. If you can find a used GG with the integral muzzle brake I'd go for it but bear in mind it's very loud for anyone to the side of you.
The Browning is a pretty gun but the Marlin gets it done for me. Still want a Browning or a Winchester but I won't trade my Marlin for one.

another vote for the guide gun.. short, light, handy and more accurate than you can hold, it provides versatility from roundball loads to elephant smashers.

[EDG]

I will admit to having more than 1 45-70.
If an octagon barrel is a requirement probably the least expensive one around is one of the 20 to 30 year old used Pedersoli rolling blocks. Some of them go for about $500.
Next up would be a used Pedersoli Sharps or a standard model Browning 1885 Highwall. They can be found for $700 to $900. I don't know where you are located but you can probably find a 45-70 looney with 8 or 10 different rifles that you can try out.

One thing to think about though.
The 45-70 is really about 3 or 4 different cartridges depending on how it is loaded and the rifle it is chambered in. You might think of how you want to load it. The lever action guns are limited to the length of the loaded round so many of the heavier bullets will not function unless you feed one round into the chamber by hand.

I mostly shoot heavy bullets in a single shot at low pressures
Many also shoot them with black powder
Then there are heavy bullet loads with high pressures shot in strong single shots.

There are also light weight low velocity plinking loads with jacketed or cast bullets.
Then there are also light weight loads at high pressure and velocity.
The strong single shots will work for all of these.
The lever guns have some limitations.
Black powder also has it's own special requirements and you might talk to the charcoal burners if you want to shoot these loads.

[41 mag fan]

Thanks for the info and advice everyone. I'd say today i'm gonna head to whittakers and take a look around today.

The 45-70's i've shot was a Browning, but that was 20 yrs ago. I'm just enamored right now by that Browning at the gunshow, and somehow I'll find one to make me happy. The Sharps and all is something at this time and date i'm not wanting, but that can always change in time.

[Nobade]

I have a 1895CB, shoot it quite a bit and it's fine once I got the bad factory barrel replaced and firelapped the current one. But the Browning 1886 is 10 times the rifle the Marlin will ever be, and with Marlin prices steadily going up the Brownings are really looking like a deal. It's hard to find a Marlin cowboy or LTD model for less than $700 and not hard to find a Browning used for $1100. If I had it to do again I would save up the extra bucks and get the Browning. Plus the 1886 is quite a bit heavier and way nicer on the shoulder to shoot all day.

[btroj]

I have a std 1895 and I like it. I dislike the short barrel on the guide gun and a 26 in barrels CB wasn't what I wanted either.

In the end you need to decide what you want. Will is be used for? A heavy, long barreled rifle is great over sand bags or at the range but gets heavy to carry in the field. The short guide gun is nice to carry but not as fun at the range due to lighter weight.

Decide what you want and never look back.

[Aje]

Hi 41 mag fan
Another one you may like to look at is the Chiappa 1886. While chiappa's reputation isn't the best most of the one's I've had personael experiance with have been very good to excellent.
I have an 1892 in 44-40 & an 1887 shotgun a freind has an 1886 45/70 & two 1892's in 44-40 all of these have very good fit & finish & cycle very well. The 1887 doesn't like cheap shells to much but it still cycles them just have to be a bit firmer. The only bad one's I've had anything to do with were .357 1892's that were brought into Australia by a different distributor. I think they may have bought a heap of seconds & sold them off cheap, but that is just speculation.
I would be a little nervous buying one sight unseen but I could say that about most manufacturers these days
The Bowning/Miroku 1886 is a good bet a close freind has one & it is very well built. I think if it's the browning you really want you should be patient save up, sell a kidney or whatever & get one.

Aje

[41 mag fan]

Nobade and btroj.... basically this will be just for paper shooting. More than likely it'll be like all my other rifles (bolt actions), paper shooter due to where I live, but if i ever go back to big game hunting there'd be an opportunity to use it.





Hi 41 mag fan
Another one you may like to look at is the Chiappa 1886. While chiappa's reputation isn't the best most of the one's I've had personael experiance with have been very good to excellent.
I have an 1892 in 44-40 & an 1887 shotgun a freind has an 1886 45/70 & two 1892's in 44-40 all of these have very good fit & finish & cycle very well. The 1887 doesn't like cheap shells to much but it still cycles them just have to be a bit firmer. The only bad one's I've had anything to do with were .357 1892's that were brought into Australia by a different distributor. I think they may have bought a heap of seconds & sold them off cheap, but that is just speculation.
I would be a little nervous buying one sight unseen but I could say that about most manufacturers these days
The Bowning/Miroku 1886 is a good bet a close freind has one & it is very well built. I think if it's the browning you really want you should be patient save up, sell a kidney or whatever & get one.

Aje

Aje, I've thought about the Chiappas, I'm heading to Whittakers here in a few minutes to take a looksie around. They I bet will have a few there. My local gunshop I think if i seen it correctly but it didn't dawn on me till yesterday morning, has a NIB Marlin 45/70 priced at $450....I think they might of made a mistake on pricing or I looked at it wrong.
Saving up for a Browning up till this month wasn't a biggie, 2 saturdays work and I had it. But right now with surgery Wednesday, it'll be 3 months before I get back.
Need to keep the kidneys....but i got an evil eyed wife I might sell!!

[Lunarphase]

Get the Marlin 1895CB, you will love it.
I've never had an issue with mine, and I do hunt it. I've never notice the weight that I hear people complaining about, and the center of gravity lays right on the forearm stock, not the reciever, like I think all rifles should. I also have Marlin 1895's in all the other bbl lenghts offered, but the 26" is my favorate.

[Just Duke]

Get the Browning. I have one and really like it.

[41 mag fan]

Just got back from Whittakers.They didnt have didly squat in 45-70's. But the guns were flying off the racks. I bet of the 200 AR's they normally have on sale/display, there wasn't 50 there.
In the pistol section, theres a counter where they do the paper work thats 10' long. It was shoulder to shoulder and 4-5 people deep.
Even the local gunshop a few miles away from me, i had to park in another parking lot. I bet there was 50 ppl in it, Whittakers I bet there was 2-300.


How good is the Rossis? What I thought at my local shop was a Marlin in 45-70 was a Rossi.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I vote for the Marlin. With a little work they can be made into great guns. I have an 1895CB and it weighs 7lb 2oz and with heavier loads it would beat me to death. I plan on adding 2 lbs of lead to the stock to make it more friendly. You wouldn't have to do this with the Winchester, as they are over 9lbs to begin with.

I refinished the stocks on those guns as well as doing action jobs which are very easy to do, and make a night and day difference.

There is a substantial difference in pricing like 2X between the Marlin and the Winchester. For what you want the Marlin is a better way to go.

Here's a pic. The one with the sling is an 1894 CB in .44 Mag. It weighs 8oz more than the .45-70! Go figure.

Randy

[Kansas Ed]

Browning 1886 would be my first choice. Uberti 1885 Hi-Wall falls right in there too. Cimarron Arms carries the 1885 as does Buffalo Arms. I much prefer the Cimarron repop over the Browning Hi-Wall. The Cimarron takes a little trigger work to break clean, but if you have a diamond stone and a little patience you can slick them up pretty good.

Of course a Shiloh Sharps would be if I had the 2K laying around...but then I don't.... :)

Ed

[dgslyr]

Get the 1886.I wouldn't take 3 Marlins for mine.Especially the short ones.My 86 recoils considerably less then my silhoutete shooting friends Marlin Cowboy's.After 40 rounds of 300 gr bullets at 1400 fps the Marlins beat you up.Especially the short ones.

[btroj]

Marlins are far easier to clean from the breech. I like that. Easier to scope too if that is ever a need or desire.

I like the simplicity of the Marlin action. They are also pretty darn easy to make shoot quite well.

[41 mag fan]

I vote for the Marlin. With a little work they can be made into great guns. I have an 1895CB and it weighs 7lb 2oz and with heavier loads it would beat me to death. I plan on adding 2 lbs of lead to the stock to make it more friendly. You wouldn't have to do this with the Winchester, as they are over 9lbs to begin with.

I refinished the stocks on those guns as well as doing action jobs which are very easy to do, and make a night and day difference.

There is a substantial difference in pricing like 2X between the Marlin and the Winchester. For what you want the Marlin is a better way to go.

Here's a pic. The one with the sling is an 1894 CB in .44 Mag. It weighs 8oz more than the .45-70! Go figure.

Randy

Randy, them are some nice looking guns!
Before its all said and done, I'm liable to have more than one, on my quest to find the one i like.....need to get back to work. Only 3 more months to be released from med leave.....

[41 mag fan]

Go to a big gun show. Buy American. Look at used & antiques. You just might find one in your budget.

I did find the one I wanted...he came down from $1800 to $1400 on it. I was just $1350 short at that time. Gun shows come around every month when I'm broke here!

[Just Duke]

This help? ;) I'll get you a pic of my Browning 1886 today. I prefer it to the Winchester lawyer safety.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1886/L63-1.jpg

They all need to sent off for some color though like this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1886/_KJE4383.jpg

[Just Duke]

Here you go. Browning 1886
The gunbelts each hold 36 rounds of 45-70 pending which load i want to carry that day.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1886/1886B1.png

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/1886/1886B2.png

[41 mag fan]

Duke....thats just not right...putting gun porn on a family oriented website!!!
And getting me all lathered up and shaking!!! :bigsmyl2:

it's been a looong time since I had a gun make me do a double take just from the looks. Last one was a Rem 700 Boone and Crocket in 300 Win Mag....I love to shoot it, and get alot of comments on it at the local range when I take it out.

20 some odd years ago, dad brought home a 45/70 I think was an original Winchester?? Had the brass butt plate..and was absolutley gorgeous. I fell in love with that rifle, even as it was putting bruises on my shoulder from the hot loads I was shooting thru it. I'd have to ask him again what it was.

That Browning you got is gorgeous...that one at the show has been there same vendor same table for months now. I think it's time to look at next month figuring out a way to buy it.....it's going to haunt me till i do

[Just Duke]

Duke....thats just not right...putting gun porn on a family oriented website!!!
And getting me all lathered up and shaking!!!

it's been a looong time since I had a gun make me do a double take just from the looks. Last one was a Rem 700 Boone and Crocket in 300 Win Mag....I love to shoot it, and get alot of comments on it at the local range when I take it out.

20 some odd years ago, dad brought home a 45/70 I think was an original Winchester?? Had the brass butt plate..and was absolutley gorgeous. I fell in love with that rifle, even as it was putting bruises on my shoulder from the hot loads I was shooting thru it. I'd have to ask him again what it was.

That Browning you got is gorgeous...that one at the show has been there same vendor same table for months now. I think it's time to look at next month figuring out a way to buy it.....it's going to haunt me till i do

Give me a jingle I'm up. :bigsmyl2:

[Just Duke]

SAECO 300 GRAIN @ 100 yards
28 Grain of Hodgden 4198.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/S1/DSC_0003-3.jpg


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/S1/GU5.jpg?t=1324599401

[Aje]

Hi 41 mag fan.
Good luck selling the wife. When I was younger I tried wife swapping but all I could get was a clapped out push mower.
Sounds like you've got your heart set on a Browning 86 & I think you'll be very happy with it.
The only Rossi I've had anything to do with was handed to me as a box of gun by a member of a pistol club I'm in after he tried to do some home gunsmithing with a Dremel so I don't really know what it was like from the factory.
The JM stamped Marlins are good & I wouldn't sell my guide gun for the world. As a hunting rifle there very hard to go past & if they made there cowboy model more like the original with a square bolt, case hardend frame & a cresent butt plate I'd be all over it.
Good luck with the surgery on Wendsday & the recuperation hope it all goes well for you.
Just thought of another rifle you could consider if you want to push the boat out a bit (maybe sell some other family members) Turnbulls does some nice 86's either restored originals or modern repros.

Aje

[Just Duke]

When you need to reach out and say hello. MVA Vernier Sight.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/MVA18861.jpg

[Aje]

hey Duke thats a fine lookin rifle you've got there.

[Just Duke]

Duke....thats just not right...putting gun porn on a family oriented website!!!
And getting me all lathered up and shaking!!! :bigsmyl2:

it's been a looong time since I had a gun make me do a double take just from the looks. Last one was a Rem 700 Boone and Crocket in 300 Win Mag....I love to shoot it, and get alot of comments on it at the local range when I take it out.

20 some odd years ago, dad brought home a 45/70 I think was an original Winchester?? Had the brass butt plate..and was absolutley gorgeous. I fell in love with that rifle, even as it was putting bruises on my shoulder from the hot loads I was shooting thru it. I'd have to ask him again what it was.

That Browning you got is gorgeous...that one at the show has been there same vendor same table for months now. I think it's time to look at next month figuring out a way to buy it.....it's going to haunt me till i do

If Barbie catches me putting guns on her Elvis furniture I'm gonna need to move into your garage.

[Just Duke]

hey Duke thats a fine lookin rifle you've got there.

Thanks. ;)

[Just Duke]

I did find the one I wanted...he came down from $1800 to $1400 on it. I was just $1350 short at that time. Gun shows come around every month when I'm broke here!

1300 for the Browning is the correct price. They show up on the sass wire every other month for 1000.

[Just Duke]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/NewMexicoOutfitter/BillWeddlemuledeer1881Marlin12Nov07.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/NewMexicoOutfitter/45-701881Marlinbulletfromdeer12Nov0.jpg

1881 Marlin 45-70 with double set triggers shoots 1.5 MOA with open iron sights with Hercules 2400 smokeless powder, 330 gr Lyman Gould boolit at 1500 FPS, rear Smith Enterprises folding ladder sight good out to 800 yards


Hey Bill that's that basket case you posted on Marlin Owners that was completely rebuilt with fajen stocks.
Have you seen this one? HERE (http://50caliberforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=marlin1881rifles&action=display&thread=2234)

[41 mag fan]

If Barbie catches me putting guns on her Elvis furniture I'm gonna need to move into your garage.

Bring those Brownings, heck i'll let you have my king size bed!!!

[41 mag fan]

Hi 41 mag fan.
Good luck selling the wife. When I was younger I tried wife swapping but all I could get was a clapped out push mower.
Sounds like you've got your heart set on a Browning 86 & I think you'll be very happy with it.
The only Rossi I've had anything to do with was handed to me as a box of gun by a member of a pistol club I'm in after he tried to do some home gunsmithing with a Dremel so I don't really know what it was like from the factory.
The JM stamped Marlins are good & I wouldn't sell my guide gun for the world. As a hunting rifle there very hard to go past & if they made there cowboy model more like the original with a square bolt, case hardend frame & a cresent butt plate I'd be all over it.
Good luck with the surgery on Wendsday & the recuperation hope it all goes well for you.
Just thought of another rifle you could consider if you want to push the boat out a bit (maybe sell some other family members) Turnbulls does some nice 86's either restored originals or modern repros.

Aje

Thanks Aje for the surgery thoughts, I go in tomorrow morning at 6:30 am get my left knee fixed. bet when the ortho gets in there he'll find several more tears on my meniscus and a tear in my ACL....
That Turnbull is nice...but the more I think (bad thing to do) the more I got that Browning in my thoughts. I bet if I get my way...i'll have one next month or not long after...I got an ace in the pocket you'll see in the next text below to Duke!
P.S. i tried the selling family thing a long time ago, Ebay's not letting you sell kids on it is due to me!! :kidding:


When you need to reach out and say hello. MVA Vernier Sight.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/MVA18861.jpg


Duke, That is one beautiful gun, it ought to be illegal on the beauty wise!!
well i think i got my Browning ok!!! since i'm not working right now......wife seen this one you posted and i seen her do a double take on looking at it. I just got my excuse to buy one!! She said thats one pretty rifle.....when she says that, she wont say anything when i got one in my hands!!
She asked how, i told her i got enough spare change laying around here, that i've been keeping to buy one.....she told me to go for it!! that'd be a late christmas gift from her, since i only gave her a $50 limit!! PO's her every yr i spend 5x's on her what she does on me....
Whats the web addy to that sass wire you mentioned?

[Just Duke]

http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showforum=14

[Just Duke]

Here are the new stocks. A Lyman Globe front sight also installed. Here's the stock swap thread. HERE (http://50caliberforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thewinchester1886forum&action=display&thread=1449)
Rebounding hammer was disengaged.
Also a Marbles Rear Sight Filler.


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/151-1.jpg



http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/152OR.jpg



http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/152-2.jpg

[Just Duke]

That's right Duke. Nice Marlin. Some don't know that the 1881 Marlin was the first lever action repeater to handle the 45-70.

Three 1881's will be in my collection soon.

[41 mag fan]

Here are the new stocks. A Lyman Globe front sight also installed. Here's the stock swap thread. HERE (http://50caliberforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thewinchester1886forum&action=display&thread=1449)
Rebounding hammer was disengaged.
Also a Marbles Rear Sight Filler.


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/151-1.jpg



http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/152OR.jpg



http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/EBRSOPMODS/LEVER%20ACTION%20SHOOTERS%20SOCIETY/152-2.jpg

Gun porn again!!!

Wifes gonna get tired of the extra laundry to do because of me drooling on my shirts!
.

[Sgt Red Leg]

Today, good actions on Marlins are a "gun by gun" issue. Don't buy one you cannot try out/handle the action! For several years now Marlins have lacked the final fit and finish as they have had in the past.
My 27 year old Daughter's G.G. shot "patterns", not groups at 50 yards supported so bad was the trigger! Cannot blame the shooter either. She is deadly w/the Browning/Miroku 1886 up to 150 yards off hand, iron sights. She is very good out to 400 yards w/the Sharps 1874, supported, iron sights.
The B/M is built like a tank and finished like a Cadillac. Very good trigger/actions. They are heavy . . . but w/that crescent butt plate you will want the weight. BOTH of ours (his & hers) shoot 405 gr Boolits very well w/5744. We shoot our rifles in SASS side matches and they serve us well! The new Winchester/Miroku 1886 rifle is not as good. (they usually cost around 999.99 new all day) They have the tang mounted safety and rebounding hammer. That hammer system has been blamed for light hammer strikes and resulting failure to fire. Not cool.
Lastly, don't throw me under the bus as a Marlin hatter! I own eight (8) Marlin lever guns ranging from .22LR to .45 Colt. We sold the G.G.. I say again, newer Marlins . . . . not so good. Older Marlins probably a better choice regardless of caliber. The key here is to try it first! !
Good luck w/surgery ! ! Hope you are up soon putting lead on target! Don't know diddly about the Rossi s.

[ammohead]

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss189/brucerfrechette/GEDC0011_zps697987d5.jpg

My 1895 Marlin Cowboy with Lyman #2 rear and globe front sight..

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss189/brucerfrechette/GEDC0012_zps0cfcc639.jpg

Lyman Gould boolit HP 330 gr.

[41 mag fan]

Good info Sgt Red leg...I'll keep that in mind when i go shopping. Surgery went good, better than my 1st one actually. or it could be i'm still liquored up on pain killers??!!

Ammohead, thats a nice rifle also!!

[Just Duke]

Good info Sgt Red leg...I'll keep that in mind when i go shopping. Surgery went good, better than my 1st one actually. or it could be i'm still liquored up on pain killers??!!

Ammohead, thats a nice rifle also!!

Glad your OK. This calls for a gun purchase celebration right?

[41 mag fan]

Glad your OK. This calls for a gun purchase celebration right?

Why I believe you are right!!! come pick me up and we'll go a shopping!! the wifes gone preetty much for the week and i'm all alone!!

[smkummer]

Don't forget about the repro H&R officers model trapdoors. While it is probably wise to stop at trapdoor pressures with this gun, it still gets the job done shooting as well as a Marlin. The mild steel buttplate kicks so putting on a leather pad makes it sweet.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Duke: just signed up over at LASS. Found out you're in LV. Hope to see you at SHOT in a couple of weeks.

Since I don't know what you look like, I'll just have to find the guy wearing the nicest leather.

Randy

[Just Duke]

Duke: just signed up over at LASS. Found out you're in LV. Hope to see you at SHOT in a couple of weeks.

Since I don't know what you look like, I'll just have to find the guy wearing the nicest leather.

Randy

Give us a jingle when you get here.