Whatcha taking

[btroj]

What are you using for deer season this year? I would certainly ope you are all using a proper projectile, something naked!

I will be using a CZ 550 in 375 H&H with a 270 gr cast over 27 gr p 2400. At 1700 fps it shoots right to the iron sights on the rifle at 50 yards. Should be perfect for where I hunt.

Back up is same as always- Marlin 1894 CB in 45 colt. 300 gr GB over 10.5 gr of surplus 105 powder. Right at 1100 fps and it shoots great with a receiver sight.

[DIRT Farmer]

One of two, 50 flinter with pure lead 495 round ball, 60 grns of ffg Goex ticking patch lubed with deer tallow, and 28 ga trade gun, flinter, 530 lead round ball, 70 grns of ffg Goex, ticking patch lubed with deer tallow.

Never tried those funny shiney copper colored things.

[richhodg66]

Our muzzle loader season is done with and I didn't get one (rare when I can get some time in the woods, not sure what happenned).

This year's season in about three weeks will see me carrying a Savage 99 in .308 with the Ranchdog bullet and IMR4895. I also have a 340 and possibly a 170 pump in .30-30 ready to go with the ideal 31141.

Back up will be a sporterized Swedish Mauser using jacketed stuff. I hope it doesn't coem down to that.

[smoked turkey]

I am planning on using a double rifle in .357 mag with a NOE 36-180 over 6.1 gr Herco. I am 3" high at 70 yards using the lower sight blade. I am expecting range to be 40-60 yards where I hunt. My back up for longer range later in the season will be a 35 Whelen with an Accurate 36-270 FN.

[clintsfolly]

My Zastasa mod 70 LH 9.3x62 load NOE 368-280 cast of lyman#2 over 45 Varget . Sighted 2"high at 100 and hits 5" low at 200yds. Clint

[RU shooter]

Model 600 in 35 rem with a 190 RD on top of 38 grs. of 4895 . A rope, knife and coffee and a relaxing day in the woods.

[digger44]

This.
308 and 30-30 170 RNFP
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff162/spokkandsequoia/DSC03107.jpg

[bowfishn]

I will be using my 9.5" SRH 44 mag with 300 gr HPGC Boolits @ +1500 fps with Scope for my main hunting weapon and my 6" GP100 357 mag with 180 gr HPGC Boolits @ +1400 fps with Williams Firesights
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=796&pictureid=5919[url]http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=796&pictureid=5920

[Wolfer]

My primary gun is a Ruger new Vaq 7-1/2" in 45 colt. This year I'm shooting the 452-424 HP ahead of 10 gr of unique. Gets me something under 1100 fps.
In case a wall hanger comes thru out aways I also will carry my Rem 760 30-06 shooting the 311041 HP ahead of 21 gr of 2400 for under 1800 fps.
Erik HPed both of these molds and I haven't got a chance to try them on meat yet. Well not exactly true I did shoot a coyote with the 45 but I hit a limb first and the boolit hit the dog sideways. Large entrance hole with 45 cal exit hole. Not a good test but still a dead dog!

[6.5 mike]

325b stevens, lee 170gr fp over 748 from the back porch. If I need more, ain't got to go far.

[**oneshot**]

General firearms season will be Ruger 41mag, 215gr saeco SWC, bac blended lube over AA#9. If they wont come close enough for a shot with that, there is my 308win loaded with NOE 165gc flat point also bac blended lube, thats loaded with sr4759.
Other than that its 50cal flintlock with 350gr slug, button, over 3F.

If I get one early, I will break out Dad's 357mag 3screws blackhawk. That is loaded with NOE 160gr RFN using HS6.

I have 3 tags to one of them will go hungry this year.

[jethunter]

Husqvarna M46 9.3x57 with the NOE 280 gr boolit cast from WW sweetened with a bit of tin.

[curiousgeorge]

Early 60's model H & R single shot in .30-30. Lyman 311041 at 181 grains over 28 grs IMR-4895. Rifle is scoped and will put 5 shots in an inch at 50 yds.

Back up rifle is a Marlin .357 lever action shooting the 358156 at 164 grs over 14.5 grains of H110. Again, rifle is scoped and will put 3 shots in 1-1/2" at 50 yards, but the best I can get in 5 shots is around 2 - 2-1/2". Not as accurate as the .30-30 but should be fine for short range deer sized targets.

Steve

[ammohead]

Already took a mule deer doe with a Savage 99 in 284 win and 140 gr barnes XBT. I was backing up my girlfriend so wasn't carrying a cast boolit gun. But I have a cow elk tag for south of Ely NV in Dec and my choices are many. I have narrowed it down to a old marlin in 35 rem with rcbs 250 gr sillywet boolit, model 94 legacy in 38-55 with lee 250 gr, marlin cowboy in 45-70 with hollow point gould boolit or husky in 9.3x62 with noe 280 gr. I will put them all in the truck and they will tell me which one to grab when I get there. Choices are good!

The cowboy and the legacy have tang sights while the other two have 4 power scopes. The hunting should be close and fast but the scopes may come in handy if I have to thread the needle through the junipers. Wish me luck.

[429421Cowboy]

Have already broken out the 7mm with, ahem, Bergers on an antelope, hopefully also an elk will fall to that load this season.

Tomorrow i will be using an Austin Haleck .50 with 70gr of Pyro and a patched .490 RB for one of my does, then the Ruger SBH will hopefully make meat with 9.5 gr of flaming dirt (Unique) spurrin' a 240 RCBS Keith on another doe. The Blue Tongue hit our buck population pretty hard here, i don't think i will shoot a buck if i can help it this year.

Good luck or God bless, whichever you believe in, this season to my cast boolit buddies.

[another gunslinger]

My first choice is my Glock 20 with a six inch Lone Wolf barrel. 175 grain Lee TC bullet on top of a few grains of blue dot (i like the flash :grin:). I'm in on a MP 10mm group buy, but no way that will land in time to work up a load for the opening day on Saturday.

Anything over 40 yards gets my Savage 99 in .308. Using a 150 Sierra GameKing on top of Varget.

glad to see a few 99s make the list!!!!!

Shoot straight!

[white eagle]

am going to be using two depending on what stand I am in
my custom RSBH or my Ruger #1 45/70
the 44 will have either 265 gr or 300 gr MP hp like above and the 45 will be slinging a 440 gr Hoch

[pmer]

My pre 64 Winchester 94 in 32 win. spl. and a Ruger BH 4 5/8 45 Colt with a 300 grain RF. I think I'm to try some of these 300 RF with sabots in the Knight 50 cal in line and see how they hit.

Got one with the 94 and had good performance with a air cooled COWW 32-170A.

[5.7 MAN]

First day:

John Ross 5" 500 Smith with 375 grain Lyman swc over 13 grains of Unique.

[Boz330]

Our season opens Saturday. I'll be carrying a Swede rolling block that was built from parts left over from other builds. It is in 40-65 Winchester. The load is 43gr of homemade black powder topped with a 325gr 40-1 boolit with a 75% meplat.

Bob

[Bullshop]

Our season opens Saturday. I'll be carrying a Swede rolling block that was built from parts left over from other builds. It is in 40-65 Winchester. The load is 43gr of homemade black powder topped with a 325gr 40-1 boolit with a 75% meplat.

Bob
Home made rifle shooting home made powder pushing home made boolits!
I like it, I like it alot!!!
And a handsome hunting rifle it is too.

[RevGeo]

Taking my old sporterized single-shot 98 Mauser in 30-40AI. No cast bullets for this one. I'm using 180gr Hornady Interlocks over 50gr of H380. My backup is an old FIE .36 Navy copy with round balls and FFF.

[OnHoPr]

pmer,

Your signature suggest that you are an equal opportunity harvester.:)

[pmer]

pmer,

Your signature suggest that you are an equal opportunity harvester.:)

That's me, jack of all trades - master of none... :cbpour:

[rush1886]

TC 'Tender-12" 357 Max, Burris 2x glass, NOE 36-180 over 22.5grs IMR 4227. Not chronied yet, but 1 1/4" 5 shot groups, benched, 1 1/2" high @ 100 yds. Sweet!

[wch]

Model 1894 Winchester in38-55 caliber with 25 gr 3031 and 265 gr FN lead bullet

[19112TAP]

I will be packing a Ruger Bisley Hunter 44 mag with 300gr GC HP, also a Marlin 1894 in 32-20 with 31133HP, and maybe my 71 .348.

[ammohead]

Boz, nice looking outfit.

[Boz330]

Boz, nice looking outfit.

Thanks, it will be fun to hunt with. I really like the old single shots and black powder, that is all I have hunted with for the last 10 years or so.

Bob

[nickE10mm]

Will have my Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter with a cylinder full of 240gr LSWC over 14g of Blue Dot (~est 1250fps). I also have some really good shooting 300gr WFNGC's at 1300fps but will probably use the lighter load.

Saturday can't come soon enough!

[jed]

Ruger Hawkeye 3006 with 31141 loaded to 1950 fps.

[JSH]

I am going to give it a go with the Ruger Buckeye blackhawk convertible 32-20/32 mag. Using the 32-20 cylinder of course. Load is a large dose of 2400 and a GB lee mould that 452.1 designed a few years back. FYI it was the 30 PB as I described, 6C. The man could have designed it no better if I were leaning over his shoulder. Another gent took over the GB as time didn't allow me to do a good job of it at the time.
This bullet has worked even better than planned in a lot of 30's as mine drops at .314.
It is stepping out there pretty fast at 1400 and change from the 6 1/2" BH (crono'd).
If that fails I amstill working on a couple of projects for CB's. The marlin ballard rifle is throwing me a fit when digesting cast. I have change the glass I use on it for load testing hoping that is the problem.
jeff

[marshall623]

Muzzle Loader- T/C system 1 2 777 pellets & 370 Maxi I cast and HP'd on my case trimmer
T/C Renagade 90 gr. FF & same Maxi

Rifle Rem. 700 308 Win. 165 Game kings over 42.5 gr IMR 4064


T/C Contenders 14" 7-30 Waters 130 lee cast 50/50 over 10.5 gr. unique a nice light load for my 10 year old daughter
10 3/4" custom shop 30 Herrett 150 pro hunters over 24.5 gr. of IMR 4198 still working on a cast load for that one

[TXGunNut]

I'll probably take a couple of Marlins, a 336 in 35 Rem and a Guide Gun in 45-70. Each will be stoked w/ RD boolits. Will have a RBH in 45 Colt stoked w/ Keith boolits if the opportunity/need arises. For bad weather I have a stainless/synthetic M77 Ruger in 30-06 and for difficult situations I have a new Super Grade M70, also in 30-06. Both my 30-06's are fed Hornady J-word bullets :shock: but they probably won't get out much this year. Good chance I'll have a black rifle along for more intensive varmint/hog population control or social purposes.
If it's my turn to cook the cast iron, food, ice and rifles make my poor old pickup squat pretty good. :bigsmyl2:
I recently acquired a 336 in 30-30 that I hope to take hunting (w/ boolits!) some year soon. I dream of taking a BPCR or even a frontstuffer hunting some year as well.

[OnHoPr]

Taking a number of loads for my thunder sticks. I hunt pretty hard hunted public land so hunter pressure dictates how the deer will move. I've scouted for the sign most of my life and have only seen one buck and one doe come to a scrape. I still like to hunt near buck sign though. For the win 94 30-30, a lee 180 gr 89/8/3 Pb/Sn/Sb behind 33 gr of 4007ssc and a 170 gr sierra flat pt behind 34.5 gr of 4007ssc. I got the jwords at GM on sale spring of 2011 and thought they could be a decent with they're higher BC (been looking at them for 20 yrs). I still need more experience with the cast boolits to be more confident with them. For the Encore 300 win mag, 165 gr speer BT's with 81 gr of Mag pro or 67 gr of 4007ssc. Depending on if I hunt a clear cut, power line, hill top, hard tracking ground, or close knit property lines. Also the Encore will have a 209 barrel with lee .429 240 gr RN/sabots (75 Pb/25 COWW), maxi-balls, and a PRB won't be to far away. The Mossy 835 will have sabot slugs, possibly Lee drive key ( i'd really like to shoot a deer with one of those), and my home brew of lee .311's WDWW at .314 buckshot. I hunt in both rifle and shotgun zones.

[Junior1942]

I'm using my 10" Contender 7mmTCU with a NOE 150 Hunter @ 1654 fps. We've only had one light frost here so far, so the thickets fit their name--thick. I won't take a less-than-sure shot, so it's been frustrating.

[MT Trapper]

I am using a Shiloh Sharps 1874 chambered in the 45-110. Shooting a 565 grain pp bullet out of a Brooks mould. Woke up to 17 degrees and 3" of fresh snow this morning should be a great weekend for hunting once the snow lets up a little. Almost blizzard conditions right now. Good luck everyone!

Trapper

[nickE10mm]

Ruger SBH Bisley Hunter with a HiViz front sight and a cylinder full of handloaded 255gr Cast Performance WFNPB (.430") over 19.0gr 2400, est. ~1300fps. I can put all six in a cloverleaf at 25y with open sights. I'm hungry for venison and boy do I miss the woods!!!

[wch]

Ruger 77 rebarreled in 6.5 Grendel, Hornady factory j-words.

[Djones]

For long shots a 35 rem with jwords. Can't wait to get my mihec group buy 220 grain.
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt124/duckwhackercmon/0275F6F2-1A6C-4C55-9307-900689CF8070-3055-000000533661B758.jpg
For medium range a 45-70 457-643 405grain at 1500.
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt124/duckwhackercmon/3ECB0C5A-50BC-4B6E-8422-5F58C70EFC50-1375-0000002255487DBD.jpg
For short range a 44 mag 265 grain noe ranchdog mold.
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt124/duckwhackercmon/378EB216-FACA-4100-9795-D211891F81ED-15954-0000080C062E7F55_zps6221946f.jpg

All marlins. Open sight except 35 rem wears a scout scope.

I'm sitting in a tree now with my stick flinger watching the sun come up.

[bikerbeans]

Gun Season,

H&R Ultra Slug LITE 12ga, with 600g fullbore hard cast hollow base slug over a bunch of Blue Dot, 3-holes touching at 60 yards from a rest. One in the freezer, doe, so far. Backup is a custom H&R 410 fully rifled slug gun that launches a 270g hard cast gas checked HP around 2,000 fps.

MZ seasons

Missed the early MZ season, so late MZ season will be an H&R 45-70, converted to 45 smokeless MZ, shooting a 279g LFN (405 win bullet squeezed through a lee .401 sizer), bhn 12.5, in a 40/45 Harvester crush rib sabot on top of 55 grains of Benchmark. MOA @ 100 yards for a 3 shot group.

Good luck hunting to all.

BB

[irishtoo]

a goldenage flintlock built from TOW. 90 gr 3f goex, halfinch fiber wad, linen patching .013, 50/50 beeswax and olive oil lube, .526 cast ball. dropped a doe last night with it! irishtoo

[Tdart]

My primary will be a 1909 Peruvian Mauser in 458 american (458X2"). 350 gr Honrady flat point at 2225 fps.

Backup is a 257 roberts ruger m77 ultralight. Still working on a load for it, but we've got almost a month until season opens up.

[Pb2au]

62 caliber trade musket! Just got it this year, fell in love with it. I've got loads sorted out for both shot (for fall turkey) and round ball.
Unfortunately, the great state of Ohio does not allow the use of center fire rifles for deer hunting, for whatever reason. Now if you are shooting woodchucks, skunks, foxes, pigs, you can carry what ever you want. Because that makes perfect sense,,,,,,,

[Digital Dan]

Dunno yet.

[irishtoo]

but your not using a center fire. my county doesnt allow center fire either, but muzzleloader are ok. they are compared to a shotgun. i that what you meant?

[legend]

I will be hunting with an xp-100 in 7br. the load will be lees 130 gr 7mm(122grains with my alloy at .285) water dropped wheel weights. it will be sparked with remington 7 1/2 primers.a healthy charge of 3031 will spit it out at 2240 fps and it is very accurate. i cheat a bit with a 6-18 leupold vx-2, but my 65 year old eyes love it ! Bullshops excelent low tac speed green keeps it from leading.

[TXGunNut]

Probably same as last year. Have a few project guns that may go on the later hunt but they aren't quite ready for prime time yet. May take that new thutty-thutty w/ the red dot scope when we make the rounds before hunting, could also give it a try on some after-sundown hogs.

[Pb2au]

but your not using a center fire. my county doesnt allow center fire either, but muzzleloader are ok. they are compared to a shotgun. i that what you meant?
Correct, in Ohio shotgun with slug, muzzleloader, or handgun with a straight wall case .357 caliber or larger is legal to take deer. (archery too)
In my case, I plan to use my trade musket with shot for turkey, and round ball for deer.
what country are you located in? Also welcome to the family!

[bikerbeans]

the great state of Ohio does not allow the use of center fire rifles for deer hunting, for whatever reason. Now if you are shooting woodchucks, skunks, foxes, pigs, you can carry what ever you want. Because that makes perfect sense,,,,,,,


Pb2su,

I am a Buckeye as well, and I keep thinking I ought to go to the state forest down the road and hunt fox squirrels with my 416 Rigby. The ranger station is fairly close to the forest so I bet I would have a green pickup truck or two waiting for me when I left the woods.:shock:


BB

[roverboy]

Bikerbeans, the H&R converted .45-70 muzzleloader sounds pretty sweet. Was the conversion a little tough to do? Did you machine your own breechplug? Anyway sounds like a great project.

[marshall623]

For 2013 season
Muzzleloaders-- T/C System one / Renagade both will be 90 gr FF BP 370 maxi Ball
Center fire == Savage Striker 7-08 - 40.5 gr 4064 & 140 sierra pro hunter
T/C contender 30 Herrett 24.5 gr IMR 4198 & 150 sierra pro hunter

[bikerbeans]

rover,


My friend and I have converted the 45-70s to smokeless MZ with a couple of different BPs. The cheap and quick method is to machine a steel or brass BP with the exterior dimensions of 45-70 fired brass. We then bore out most of the plug, bore a primer pocket for a "o" ring & 209 primer and then drill a flash hole, approx. .035". I then remove the ejector/extractor system from the barrel and epoxy the plug in place. The first gun with the glued BP has many hundreds of rounds down the tube and glue is holding up fine. We also use a reamer to open up the muzzle a little (a .458 throating reamer works great) to allow easy starting of the sabot. Also, cut a 3/8 dove tail on the bottom of the barrel for the ramrod thimble.

THe other method is to remove the extractor/ejector and bore and tap the chamber to fit a Savage 10ml BP. IMO, a lathe is required to do this work. The only issue here is to make sure you correctly "headspace" the screw in Savage BP so that the 209 primer is in correct alignment with the gun closed.

The Savage plug has replaceable vent liners so if the flash hole gets too large then you just replace it. The first plug I described would have to be removed and replaced if the flash hole erodes too much. FWIW, I made one of my BPs with a .060" flash hole and it works fine, you just get primer flattening at a lower pressure than a BP with .035" flash hole.


BB

[Rimfire]

I'll be using a Taylor 56-50 Spencer or a Uberti Win. 73 in 44wcf, both with black powder loads.

[roverboy]

rover,


My friend and I have converted the 45-70s to smokeless MZ with a couple of different BPs. The cheap and quick method is to machine a steel or brass BP with the exterior dimensions of 45-70 fired brass. We then bore out most of the plug, bore a primer pocket for a "o" ring & 209 primer and then drill a flash hole, approx. .035". I then remove the ejector/extractor system from the barrel and epoxy the plug in place. The first gun with the glued BP has many hundreds of rounds down the tube and glue is holding up fine. We also use a reamer to open up the muzzle a little (a .458 throating reamer works great) to allow easy starting of the sabot. Also, cut a 3/8 dove tail on the bottom of the barrel for the ramrod thimble.

THe other method is to remove the extractor/ejector and bore and tap the chamber to fit a Savage 10ml BP. IMO, a lathe is required to do this work. The only issue here is to make sure you correctly "headspace" the screw in Savage BP so that the 209 primer is in correct alignment with the gun closed.

The Savage plug has replaceable vent liners so if the flash hole gets too large then you just replace it. The first plug I described would have to be removed and replaced if the flash hole erodes too much. FWIW, I made one of my BPs with a .060" flash hole and it works fine, you just get primer flattening at a lower pressure than a BP with .035" flash hole.


BB

That sounds like a great setup. And you built it yourself.

[Garyshome]

Boring old lever 30/30!

[bikerbeans]

Boring old lever 30/30!

I would love to hunt deer with my Win 94AE 30-30 but Ohio will not let me!

BB

[roverboy]

ML season I'm hunting with my H&R Huntsman .58 with roundballs and 90 gr. 2f Goex. Gun season I'm not sure yet.

[irishtoo]

northern Allegheny county. i hunt small property's, we are thick with deer, but alot of property owners wont allow you on their land. then they complain about the deer eating their plants and landscaping. i am not comfortable with archery. deer have to drop or their lost on land i cant get on. i dont take questionable shots. all my shots have been well within 60yds and most have either dropped or traveled 20 yds or less. that .54 cal ball is impressive. irishtoo

[Boyscout]

H&R Handi-rifle 44 Remington Mag. Loaded with Lyman 250 HP, WW+2% Tin, 22.5 gn of Win 296and zeroed in 1" high at 50 yds.

[roverboy]

I'll be using a Taylor 56-50 Spencer or a Uberti Win. 73 in 44wcf, both with black powder loads.

Wow, a Spencer. Where do you get 56-50 Rimfire ammo?

[Rimfire]

It's a Taylor replica 1865 carbine chambered in 56-50 centerfire. Reload for it, so ammo is no problem.

[Win94ae]

S&W 686 8" barrel using Hornady 180gr HP-XTP. Backup will be a Traditions Pursuit UL .50 muzzle-loader, 360gr mini-ball; getting the load together still. The backup for that will be a Remington improved choke 12ga pump shotgun using Remington Express Magnum slugs.

[randy_68]

Well lets see-A Henry Big Boy .44 mag with RD432-265 , a Marlin 1894 .357 with 360-180 and/or a Ruger Super Black Hawk Bisley Hunter .44 also with RD432-265.
Oh yea maybe my CVA Apex with .357 Max barrel or .50 ML barrel.
decisions, decisions

[1Shirt]

7x57 jacketed for first deer, 375 H&H cast for second!
1Shirt!

[Doc_Stihl]

Ruger m77 lightweight in 30-06 with 230gr Cast at 1550 fps
Rossi 44 Lever carbine with 310gr WFN @1400 fps
Marlin 1895 (made in 1905) in 45/70 with 535gr WFN @1250 fps
Ruger redhawk in 41 with a 260gr WFN @1100 fps

One of these depending on where I'm hunting. I was sick most of archery season so I may be hauling the bow and pistol at some point.

[geargnasher]

.45 Colt sumthinoruther, might even be with a revolver.

Gear

[kevmc]

85746
S & W 629-4 Master Hunter from the PC
429640 HP's @ 1200 fps

[nekshot]

kevmc, nice outfit and shooting to match! I will be using my poor mans double rifle ( really got that thing singing) in the thick stuff and along the fields I will be using a 7mm remmag with 168rcbs. Will have a jacketed cartridge along in case something appears on the horizon! Hope to get released from surgeon today then I can act normal again!

nekshot

[1bluehorse]

For deer, 243 winchester shooting 90gr. Hornadys....for elk it'll be either an 06' with 180's or a 308 experss with factory 160's. We don't seem to have the choices a lot of you fella's have in your state..ONE deer, (in my county where I hunt it has to be 3pt or better {thats a 6pt to a lot of you}) and for elk the same....so I use what I think works the best for the type hunting we have...and thats a quality jacketed bullet...

[MT Trapper]

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I made a commitment to myself to take all my game this year with my Sharps chambered in 45-2 7/8. Shooting a 565 grain paper patch boolit cast out of pure lead.
Trapper

[nickE10mm]

My first choice is my Glock 20 with a six inch Lone Wolf barrel. 175 grain Lee TC bullet on top of a few grains of blue dot (i like the flash :grin:). I'm in on a MP 10mm group buy, but no way that will land in time to work up a load for the opening day on Saturday.

Anything over 40 yards gets my Savage 99 in .308. Using a 150 Sierra GameKing on top of Varget.

glad to see a few 99s make the list!!!!!

Shoot straight!

I'll either have my 10mm longslide 1911 hunter or my Ruger SBHH, both with open FO sights.

Can't wait!!

[FergusonTO35]

This year's modern gun season will be my Marlin 1895 .45-70 with a 300 grain boolit over 40 grains IMR 4895. For our second muzzleloader season it'll be my NEF Huntsman with a 250 grain Lee REAL and 70 grains Pyro. Took the Marlin out today. Off the shooting sticks at 60 yards it was certainly capable of minute of deer accuracy. Probably do even better on the benchrest and without the 40 pound trigger pull.

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