Sr4759

[JeffinNZ]

Hi all.

No IMR/Dupont powder is imported to NZ at this time so it is not availabe. HOWEVER I have been offered 3 sealed cans of SR4759 from when it was sold here.

Question is:

I have successfully worked up loads using H4227 in .223, .303, .32-20 so is it worth getting these 3 cans when I can not replace them once used? I guess they would last a long time in view of the smallish charges used with this power EG: 400-500 loads per can.

What say you?

[joeb33050]

I want to use powder (etc.) that is consistently the same and that I can buy in the future. I don't want to use "Unobtainable #25" to work up a load, then not be able to get it or the same it. Hence, I do not use any surplus powders, for this and other reasons.
My experience with 32/20 and 223 is that SR4759 will not be a very good powder. In 303 it will work well, but not the best. My results suggest that SR4759 works most accurately in calibers >30, with it being my first choice for maximum accuracy in 45/70, and a very good choice in 38/55, 40 X 1 7/8, and others.
So, it is probably not reasonable for you to buy the SR4759, for the reasons stated above.
However, if I was in your shoes, I'd buy it and experiment, because this whole business isn't about reasonable.
joe brennan

[felix]

Jeff, there are two valid schools of thought: 1) buy cheap, make adjustments, shoot often; 2) buy consistency, no adjustments, shoot seldom with no experimentation. You must pick one rule per gun, and follow through using that rule with that gun without qualms. ... felix

[sundog]

Jeff, if 4227 is working well for you, use your resources to continue on that path. I heard somewhere though that H4227 was being discontinued. If that is true your source for that would also dry up. Can you replace that burn rate with one of the ADI powders? Is H4227 actually a repackage ADI powder? Or, can you hoard a bunch of it, so as to have a multi year supply?

N120 and 5744 are good replacements for 4227.

[wiljen]

Is H4227 actually a repackage ADI powder?

Yep it is. It is AR2205

Here's the rest of the list of ADI/Hodgdon powders in case anyone has an interest.

ADI | Hodgdon Equivalent

AS30N Clays
AP50N (no match)
AS50N International
AP70N Universal
AP100 (no match)
AR2205 H4227
AR2207 H4198
Bench Mark1 (no match)
AR2219 H322
Bench Mark2 BenchMark
AR2206 (no match)
AR2206H H4895
AR2208 Varget
AR2209 H4350
AR2213 (discontinued)
AR2213SC H4831sc
AR2217 H1000
AR2225 Retumbo
AR2218 H50BMG

[RayinNH]

Jeff, if it was offered to me and the price was right I'd take it. You may not be able to find the ultimate load with only that amount of powder, however you may find a very good plinking load with little trouble. I know there are times I go to the range just to bust dirt clods or clay pigeons that are set on the berm. Superb accuracy is not needed for this...Ray

[Buckshot]

................I'd grab it and use it till you ran out of it. It's an extremely good powder for cast lead. It's a very bulky powder. It's burn rate is about like 4227. I'f I could only use powders that I KNEW I could buy again, I'd be dumping about 120lbs of surplus powder now on hand :-). If it's offered I'll use it till it runs out.

..............Buckshot

[Shiloh]

I've been using the SR4759 clone surplus (SR7641) with very good results in '03 Springfield and .30-40 Krag with excellent results around 20 gr in each with a Lyman 314299 sized at .311 Going to try it in a .30-30 now with a Lyman 311041

A shooting buddy bought some with me to use in his .30 cal as well as his .303 British variant.

I am under the assumption that these unopened 'cans' are one pounders. at 20 gr
you'll get 350 rounds per can, a fair amount of shooting. Buy it, use it, enjoy it while you can and then use whats around. :)

Shiloh :castmine:

[Larry Gibson]

................I'd grab it and use it till you ran out of it. It's an extremely good powder for cast lead. It's a very bulky powder. It's burn rate is about like 4227. I'f I could only use powders that I KNEW I could buy again, I'd be dumping about 120lbs of surplus powder now on hand :-). If it's offered I'll use it till it runs out.

..............Buckshot

I agree with Buckshot.... A good load could be worked up in each of your cartridges in 20 rounds each or less with lots of good shooting to be had after. Now IF buckshot would only change his mind I'd sure take that 120 lbs of useless powder............

Larry Gibson

[44man]

O'boy, would I jump on that too. I love that powder.

[JeffinNZ]

Thanks guys.

I'll see what he wants for it. I think consistency of supply is a major factor but if I can get 3 pounds cheap and burn them 20gr at the time at least will last goodly while in the .303 British. Might go in the .303 Pygmy too.

Actually I am buring AR2205 by ADI which is H4227 as pointed out (good spotting Sundog!). I wasn't sure if you northern hemisphere folk knew of ADI and the Hodgdon connection.

Believe it or not there remain folk down here who INSIST on buying Hodgdon powders at 25-40% more even though the powder is EXACTLY the same as the ADI at a lower price. None so blind as those that won't see ah?

[Steelbanger]

The regular size cans of SR 4759 only contain 8 ounces. You're looking to buy 1 1/2 pounds and factor that into the cost.

[grumpy one]

As Steelbanger points out, SR4759 is very bulky and it takes two conventional one pound cans to hold a pound of it - be careful you know how much you are buying here. My experience suggests that SR4759 has some advantages over either brand of 4227: its greater bulk, and what seems to be a lesser sensitivity to pressure. So far in my 30-30 I've always ended up with greater variability when I use 4227 compared with 4759. On the other hand, I am rather doubtful that you can fit enough 4759 into a 223 case to get the job done, but this does not apply to 4227.

I'm currently getting toward the end of my supply of 4759 and don't expect to be able to get any more at a sensible price. In your situation, if the deal really is 3 pounds of 4759 at a good price, I'd grab it.

[BudRow]

I'd buy it in a heartbeat! It is one of my favorite powders and I like it's bulk. The old cans were 1/2 lb. but the latest I've bought in the plastic bottle came as 1 lb. (Hodgdon).

[Char-Gar]

4759 is a great cast bullet powder. Three pounds of powder will pitch allot of lead down range. Why not get it.. I don't see any reasons not to. I don't think there is anyone on this board who has only used one powder in a given rifle since day one. 4759, 4227 and 2400 has similiar characteristics and applications. While you can't interchange data willy nilly, it is not much of a problem to go from one to other and makes adjustments.

[sundog]

If it's 8-oz cans, forget it. Just about the time you get something working good, you'll run out. One pounders is enough to do something with. Sorta. I was thinking 8-ouncers when I posted ealier. I remember one time I was in a shop and gonna get soem and it was priced as one pound. I pointed it out and was summarily dismissed as a gripey customer. I didn't buy, and didn't go back! Years ago I used to buy the 8-oz cans in TG&Y for about 3 clams.

[Freightman]

Sundog you are reveling your age "TG&Y" wow I haven't thought of them in years, wish times were as simple now!

[sundog]

Freightman, yes, simpler times. I doubt if any 5 and 10 cent store would even carry such stuff any more....

So, what are you saying? That I'm an old Fart? Only someone who's old enough to remember would know. Har! Har!

[Shiloh]

If it's 8-oz cans, forget it. Just about the time you get something working good, you'll run out. One pounders is enough to do something with. Sorta. I was thinking 8-ouncers when I posted ealier. I remember one time I was in a shop and gonna get soem and it was priced as one pound. I pointed it out and was summarily dismissed as a gripey customer. I didn't buy, and didn't go back! Years ago I used to buy the 8-oz cans in TG&Y for about 3 clams.

TG&Y !! Haven't seen one in years. 3 bucks!!

I used up can of Hercules Bullseye a while back that had a 6.49 price sticker on it.

Shiloh :castmine:

[Freightman]

I voted for the first time at 21 when Nixon and Kennedy ran so I recon that quilifies me a a seasoned veteren. Bought my first gun at a Military surplus store at 7th and Gergia. He had a barrel of Mausers for $5 your choice and $1 for all the ammo you could grab with both hands, and I have very large hands. I was still in high school would have been kicked out now for even talking about guns to the wrong people.

[PineTreeGreen]

Late 60's early 70"s had a .458X2" and it loved Hi-Vel#2. That was built on an FN action that I was holding for a $7.00 cab ride and never picked up. After I started making my own boolit,used SR4759.. I don't have a .458X2" any more,but still have about 6 lbs. of 4759[smilie=1:

[chasw]

I still have some SR 4759 and try it out now and then. It makes up a dandy load with the .44 mag, a full case under a 250 grain gas check flat nose. I get about 1350 fps out of my M-1894 Marlin carbine.

An even better powder for a wide variety of cast bullet loads, both pistol and rifle, is SR 4756. Its a bit faster than its Sporting Rifle brother and smaller grained and more dense, so it fits into little .25 caliber case mouths. - CW