Is there a Mould like the Hornady .458 350gr RN?

[no34570]

Hi to all
I was wondering does any one know if there is a mould or mould maker that has a mould in the same profile and length of the Hornady .458 350 gr RN?[smilie=1:

As I have had good results with this J.......Bullet in my Ruger #3 45/70 and would love a mould that would throw this bullet out in lead for me.
Might be a custom job me thinks,NEI's .458 405 RNGC is about the closest,but heavier and I've just ordered that bullet:roll:
There are plenty of 350gr moulds out there but they are flatnose and I would like a true RN like the Hornady and/or the NEI's .458-405-RNGC.
Any help would be appreciated
Cheers
:drinks:
no34570
:castmine:

[wiljen]

Lyman 457196 at approx 300gr is a little light
Lyman 457483 or 457124 at approx 380gr are a little heavier but similar profiles

NEI #338 and #339 are RN-FP so close but no cigar

Most of the true round nose cast boolits for the 45-70 are heavier than 350gr.

[no34570]

Lyman 457196 at approx 300gr is a little light
Lyman 457483 or 457124 at approx 380gr are a little heavier but similar profiles

NEI #338 and #339 are RN-FP so close but no cigar

Most of the true round nose cast boolits for the 45-70 are heavier than 350gr.
Wiljen
I checked out the Lyman site just a few moments ago and the 457124 is probably the closest,does not have to be a true 350gr,380gr ain't bad.
Like you said most RN are heavier than 350gr,which I have come to realize,Bugger:???:
Thanks for your time
no34570
:drinks:

[Scrounger]

I consider myself lucky in having a Lyman 457122 Hollow Point 330 grainer purchased from a member here. The thought has occurred to me that it would be possible for Buckshot or one of the other lathe artists here to make me a round nose plug to replace the hollow point plug, giving me a round (or maybe flat) nosed bullet of about 350 grains.

[no34570]

I consider myself lucky in having a Lyman 457122 Hollow Point 330 grainer purchased from a member here. The thought has occurred to me that it would be possible for Buckshot or one of the other lathe artists here to make me a round nose plug to replace the hollow point plug, giving me a round (or maybe flat) nosed bullet of about 350 grains.

Hey Scrounger
You just made me remember a mate of a mate of mine told me his dad has a Lyman 457122 the Gould hollow point mould that he said he would sell to me for his old man don't want it no more,had to hand his gun license in.
I'm going to contact the old bloke and see what he wants for it,thanks for reminding me about it:-D
Cheers mate:drinks:
no34570

[Dr. A]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=8604

This one has behaved remarkably similar.

[no34570]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=8604

This one has behaved remarkably similar.

Dr A
Thanks for the link to the thread,it's not a bad looking boolit,I should of looked at Ranch dogs website and I do remember seeing this boolit on his threads in the group buy.
Might be interested in that one also,hell I'm goingto have a few molds if I get my way:-D and that ain't a bad thing,is it?
Cheers mate
:drinks:
no34570
:castmine:

[hs45/70]

The Gould 330 gr HP Pbase was the first mold I bought with my new #3 Ruger in 1978 and if you can get the one from your mate you probably won't regret it.
I mostly shoot it with a "BB" dropped in the hole with the pin removed for a 350 grain weight with WC Wwts.....expansion on impact is impressive also..
Here's some loads that worked well in my #3 as a 350 gr with BB in nose...

These were fired with and without cotton filler and filler loads were more accurate.

15.0 gr. Unique..1272..1269..1260 fps 3 shots/100 yards/ 1.10 inch
28.0 gr Imr4227.1424..1445..1459 fps 1.50 inch
28.0 gr A2400....1591..1601..1615 fps 1.60 inch
32.0 gr A2400....1801..1783..1791 fps 1.50 inch

No fillers used...
45.7 gr. Reloder 7... 1752..1739..1758.. 100 yds/ 0.80 inch
48.0 gr Imr4198 no chrony data ."Lyman "gives about 2050 fps
3 shots/100 yds/ 1.30 inch

All bullets use "teflon/plumbers tape" for lube...all loads over 1400 fps have a reversed gas check under boolit base.

[no34570]

The Gould 330 gr HP Pbase was the first mold I bought with my new #3 Ruger in 1978 and if you can get the one from your mate you probably won't regret it.
I mostly shoot it with a "BB" dropped in the hole with the pin removed for a 350 grain weight with WC Wwts.....expansion on impact is impressive also..
Here's some loads that worked well in my #3 as a 350 gr with BB in nose...

These were fired with and without cotton filler and filler loads were more accurate.

15.0 gr. Unique..1272..1269..1260 fps 3 shots/100 yards/ 1.10 inch
28.0 gr Imr4227.1424..1445..1459 fps 1.50 inch
28.0 gr A2400....1591..1601..1615 fps 1.60 inch
32.0 gr A2400....1801..1783..1791 fps 1.50 inch

No fillers used...
45.7 gr. Reloder 7... 1752..1739..1758.. 100 yds/ 0.80 inch
48.0 gr Imr4198 no chrony data ."Lyman "gives about 2050 fps
3 shots/100 yds/ 1.30 inch

All bullets use "teflon/plumbers tape" for lube...all loads over 1400 fps have a reversed gas check under boolit base.
hs45/70
Thanks for the loads mate,what a ripper......just a question what size is a BB[smilie=1:
Never had one or seen one,sorry:(
Waiting for the reply to the old bloke that has the Lyman Gould Hollow Point mould was not home so left a message on his answering machine asking what he wanted for it.
Cheers
no34570

[JeffinNZ]

Hey no34570: I have a feeling that Jim Allison at CBE in NSW does a Gould mould copy.

www.castbulletengineering.bigpondhosting.com

[no34570]

Hey no34570: I have a feeling that Jim Allison at CBE in NSW does a Gould mould copy.

www.castbulletengineering.bigpondhosting.com

JeffinNZ
Thanks mate,I've just got off his web site after looking around and he had plenty there and I remember seeing the copy of the gould,if I don't get the Lyman Gould mould off this old bloke that my mate knows,I will get it off Jim,i get alot of moulds off him,does beautiful work and the boolits come out nice purty[smilie=1:
Cheers mate:drinks:
no34570

[ktw]

457122-HP is still a Lyman catalog mould and you can order a new one up from the usual places (miday, midsouth, etc).

-ktw

[TedH]

I consider myself lucky in having a Lyman 457122 Hollow Point 330 grainer purchased from a member here. The thought has occurred to me that it would be possible for Buckshot or one of the other lathe artists here to make me a round nose plug to replace the hollow point plug, giving me a round (or maybe flat) nosed bullet of about 350 grains.

I made a flat nose plug that attaches to the bottom of my Gould HP mold. Works great and speeds up casting not having to fiddle with the plug.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f157/TedH/000_0001-4.jpg

[hs45/70]

A "B B" is the .18 inch ( 4.57 mm ) diameter copper plated steel round ball kids shoot out of their air rifles in North America...just slightly larger than the .177 lead pellets every one uses internationally for their air rifles/pistols. Cost is about $8 cdn for 1000.
When you open the 330 gr mold sprue plate just drop the BB in the bottom to plug the hole left by removal of the hollow pt. pin ..the alloy surrounds the 1/2 of the BB trapped in the hole and when the boolit drops out ,1/2 of the BB is exposed outwardly.....not reccomended for tube fed 45/70's except one in the barrel and one in the mag.

They are an exact fit and no leakage occurrs nor can they come out of the bullet unless you pry/dig them out of the alloy.
Whether you use straight W Wts. or lead, the BB will provide impressive expansion on/in any test media you shoot. Where I live , our deer are small and no recoverys ever on broadside shots.

If BBs are not available to you PM me your address and I'll send you a 1000 pack.

cheers......

[no34570]

A "B B" is the .18 inch ( 4.57 mm ) diameter copper plated steel round ball kids shoot out of their air rifles in North America...just slightly larger than the .177 lead pellets every one uses internationally for their air rifles/pistols. Cost is about $8 cdn for 1000.
When you open the 330 gr mold sprue plate just drop the BB in the bottom to plug the hole left by removal of the hollow pt. pin ..the alloy surrounds the 1/2 of the BB trapped in the hole and when the boolit drops out ,1/2 of the BB is exposed outwardly.....not reccomended for tube fed 45/70's except one in the barrel and one in the mag.

They are an exact fit and no leakage occurrs nor can they come out of the bullet unless you pry/dig them out of the alloy.
Whether you use straight W Wts. or lead, the BB will provide impressive expansion on/in any test media you shoot. Where I live , our deer are small and no recoverys ever on broadside shots.

If BBs are not available to you PM me your address and I'll send you a 1000 pack.

cheers......
hs45/70
Ahhh....Now I know what they are:roll:
All the gunshops around here(there is only 2:roll: ) don't have them,they have the lead pellets.
Thats kind of you to offer to send them to me,if I cannot get them I'll let you know and we'll work out a price and postage here to the land of OZ.
Don't know if I would be able to get them in the Country now I think of it,ammo?
Anyway I just got back from seeing the old bloke about the Lyman Gould Mould and bought it for $30 and he chucked in about 50kgs of WW not bad hey!:-D
He just wanted to get rid of it all and take off from his ex wife,so I cannot complain.
The markings on the mould can you tell me about
one side has the number 32 near the Lyman name
Then it has 456122,but with a 7 stamped over the 6 and under that it has the number 894
What are they?,I know 456122 is the mould number,is that right?
Thanks mate
no34570:castmine:
Heres a photo not good but best I can do at this time.

[floodgate]

No34570:

Congrats on an excellent deal! The "894" should appear on both blocks, and is a "match number" to keep the pair together after cutting, through finishing, assembly and packaging. The "7" should be matched by a tiny number stamped on the side of the HP pin shank, for the same purpose. The #456... "size-to" prefix does not imply a significant difference from the current #457122 design; it just reflects changes in bullet vs. groove sizing fashions over the years (many of our present #311...'s started life as #308...'s, and - conversely - #360...'s evolved into #358...'s). The change in number occurs in the period 1955 (Ideal Handbook No. 40) - 1957 (HB #41).

Bullet No. 456122 was designed by the Ideal Manufacturing Company's founder, John Barlow, around 1895 or so, and named in honor of A. C. Gould, editor of the NRA magazine "Shooting and Fishing" (predecessor of the "American Rifleman") and a main actor in the revival of shooting for sport and target in those years. It is a true "classic amongst classics", and has been in wide use over the past 110+ years, having even outlived the Winchester 94.

floodgate

[hs45/70]

If you can't get BBs over there by ordering from your gunshops let me know I'll send you 1000 ball bearings -type copper clad -type .180 inch..( free.)....these are ball bearings and not powder, primers nor munitions. If this violates your import laws and could cause you problems let me know and I won't send them ...otherwise, send your particulars via PM and I'll send them this week.....

cheers

[no34570]

Hi ya fella's
TedH:What size is your hollow point stem?
Cheers
floodgate:
Thanks for that,I'm pretty stoked at the deal,plus the lead too,what a ripper

I cast a few out of the mold and the hole looks bigger than what TedH has,way bigger and I don't have my calipers here at the moment,the hole takes up most of the nose.
And to hs45/70 I've pm'ed you
When I get home next week,I will measure every nook and crannie of the mold and post it,as I said the hole in my boolit is enormous compared to TedH sample.
I quickly rang the old fella up I got the mold from and asked if he modifyed it and he reckons no he did not and what do you want your money back ,blah,blah.
What a cranky old so and so,I told him nah,it's a ripper,theen what are you on about blah blah and he hung up sheeez!
Any way mates talk to you all next week
no34570

[TedH]

Hi ya fella's
TedH:What size is your hollow point stem?



The hollow point stem is .128".

[leftiye]

34570, Saeco makes a 350 grain RNFPGC, FWIW. If you were to decide that you wanted to, You could turn the HP pin down to the size that you want to. I've always thought that the original HP hole was too deep, and too narrow. A conical hole maybe half as deep, and twice as wide tickles me mo better.

[JFE]

I recently had Jim at CBE make up his version of a Gould mould for me but havent had a chance to try it out yet. Just got back to Melb with a laundry list of things to do around the house...

When I ordered the mould I specified it to include a GC shank and a spare plug so that I could make HP or solid flat nose. It was not a cheap, but it is a classy piece of engineering and more sophisticated than other HP designs I'd seen before. I'm sure he could make a plug for a roundnose too if that is what you wanted.

Joe

[no34570]

Ok Chaps
Went to measure my boolits with the calipers and the battery was dead:roll:
Anyway I tried to put a 6mm(.243) 60gr HP in the hole where the plug goes and it just falls out through the bottom,tried putting the same .243 bullet in the hole of the boolit and it won't fit but a .224 V-max does with room to spare:???:
So I don't know I might have to get the pin lathed down so it's not as a bloody big hole,but will try it out first on game got a pig hunt coming up soon:-D
Have a look at the pics and see what ya reckon?
I have not altered the mould at all and the old bloke I got it from reckons he didn't either.
But it's a bloody big hole:)

Paul Matthews in his book Forty years with the 45/70 says the early moulds of 457122/456122 you could put a blank .22 in the hole and make an explosive bullet,hmmm?[smilie=1:
I might get Jim Allison from CBE to make a plug up for me and/or lethe down the pin as well.
I think the hollow point is about .247-.250 thats what I could see with the flashing numbers on the calipers.
Cheers
no34570:castmine:

[no34570]

I recently had Jim at CBE make up his version of a Gould mould for me but havent had a chance to try it out yet. Just got back to Melb with a laundry list of things to do around the house...

When I ordered the mould I specified it to include a GC shank and a spare plug so that I could make HP or solid flat nose. It was not a cheap, but it is a classy piece of engineering and more sophisticated than other HP designs I'd seen before. I'm sure he could make a plug for a roundnose too if that is what you wanted.

Joe

Joe
I've just sent him an email asking just what you said mate:-D
Cheers
no34570

[no34570]

I made a flat nose plug that attaches to the bottom of my Gould HP mold. Works great and speeds up casting not having to fiddle with the plug.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f157/TedH/000_0001-4.jpg

TedH
Hi mate,is that a Lyman mold that the bullet you got pictured come out of?
What length is the pin that makes the hollow point?
they sure look purty:-D
:drinks:
cheers
no34570

[no34570]

I recently had Jim at CBE make up his version of a Gould mould for me but havent had a chance to try it out yet. Just got back to Melb with a laundry list of things to do around the house...

When I ordered the mould I specified it to include a GC shank and a spare plug so that I could make HP or solid flat nose. It was not a cheap, but it is a classy piece of engineering and more sophisticated than other HP designs I'd seen before. I'm sure he could make a plug for a roundnose too if that is what you wanted.

Joe

Joe
Thanks,now I've gone and ordered a mould off Jim the same as you,after talking to him,we both(Jim & me)agree the gould boolit is a ripper and we both like having the PB version and the GC version.[smilie=1:
Yes and not cheap,but I know it'll be top quality work and a beauty to boot:-D
Cheers
no34570
:castmine:

[Bass Ackward]

Paul Matthews in his book Forty years with the 45/70 says the early moulds of 457122/456122 you could put a blank .22 in the hole and make an explosive bullet,hmmm?[smilie=1: no34570:castmine:


Another goodie is a shotgun primer. Very similar effect.

[no34570]

Another goodie is a shotgun primer. Very similar effect.

Bugger me dead
Never would of thought of that,wow
Thanks mate
no34570
:castmine:

[44 WCF]

My Marlin 1895 CB shoots the Saeco 350gr GC to near exact same as the Hornady 350 RN if that helps.

[no34570]

My Marlin 1895 CB shoots the Saeco 350gr GC to near exact same as the Hornady 350 RN if that helps.

44 WCF
That's handy to know mate,I've seen them here in Australia,the only one of Saeco molds I've got is a 502 2 cavity Maxi ball for a .50 cal muzzeloader that I'm thinking of selling,so will have a mold to sell never used cost me nearly $100 and that was over 10 years ago.
Is it it a RN? the Saeco?:)
Thanks mate
no34570