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Elkins45
10-02-2012, 12:33 PM
Experimenting with plain based boolets in the 300 AAC has led me down the path that slower burning powders that gently accelerate the projectile are more conducive to accuracy that fast burners that WHACK the boolet out of the case and into the leade.

So that gets me to thinking about my new fun rifle cartridge, the 358 Winchester. I have access to a good quantity of IMR 4831, which is generally regarded as being too slow for a 30 caliber or larger boolet in a 308-sized case. There's plenty of load data for it in 243, but not its brethren with bigger mouths. My understanding is that there wouldn't be a SAFETY issue with such a use, just the fact that velocities would be lower than could otherwise be realized from faster burning powders.

But let's just say that maximum velocity isn't my goal---slowly accelerating a lead boolet for maximum accuracy is. Is there any pressing safety reason not to fill a few 358 cases with 4831 up to the base of the neck and send a few downrange?

Larry Gibson
10-02-2012, 12:41 PM
No reason you shouldn't try it unless you're using too heavy a bullet for case capacity with a particular cartridge. Might try "working up" though. Try some at 80 - 100 % load density with 5% load density between them might provide more information as to whether it is a workable powder, a fast powder is needed or even that a slower powder like RL22 may work.

Larry Gibson

GLynn41
10-02-2012, 12:46 PM
google it, as it is out there some where

runfiverun
10-02-2012, 05:07 PM
my 358 load is 48.5 grs of rl-19,and the saeco #248 sized to 358.
i have taken it up to 50.0 grs and the accuracy is still there but it's closer to 1-1/2" consistently and the 48.5 is a 1"er.
i can live with that.
the 4831 is similar in burn rate.

williamwaco
10-02-2012, 08:52 PM
Many years ago, I bought a 50 pound drum of 4831 from Hodgdon for around 25 or 50 cents a pound.

Best deal I ever made. I am sure the burning rate today is not identical to that old WWII military surplus so I will not quote loads. That said, I wore out one .270 and two .243s with that drum. You will be quite pleased with it in the .358.


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GLynn41
10-02-2012, 11:09 PM
reloader nest has two loads// one is for a 250 gr Sliver tip -- and it is 47 grains at1980 bing it or google