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41mag
09-17-2012, 05:48 PM
Well it rained for most of the weekend and having to work late in the evening on Friday, then again for a bit on Saturday morning, I didn't make it up to our place in the country until around mid day on Saturday.

That said I had the itch to try out one of my MP 640 LG HP's up against several of the top brands and recommended self defense rounds out of my 45 ACP. What I had on hand were some factory loaded 230gr Gold Dot's, some 230gr Federal Hydra Shoks,and a handloaded Star 185gr which for all practical purposes resembles the old Speer Lawman 200gr Flyin Ashtray. My boolit weighed in at 255grs and was cast from about 2# of Iso Core alloy with about 3" of 95/5 solder thrown in. I loaded them atop of 5grs even of Salut. Can't say what the velocity was, as I didn't have time between showers to set up my chrony. Just a WAG based on the Laser Cast Manual load data I used, it was somewhere in the 725-750'ish FPS range.

I set up the same bucket of sandy loam which I had shot into the last trip up, and backed up 5 good steps, or about 5yds. Figuring this might be close to an indoor encounter at the house with a bad guy, I wanted to see how my cast HP stacked up against the so called best on the market.

I fired each shot into a separate area of the bucket so as to not have any collisions or to have softer dirt on one shot verses the other. The bucket was tamped down before shooting, by raising by the handle and dropping on it's bottom from about 6-8", so the dirt was slightly packed.

After firing all four rounds I set the bucket gently on the tailgate where the grandsons and I slowly removed the dirt using a wide paint scraper so as to be able to keep the surface of the remaining dirt as flat as possible to measure the depth of penetration.

The first we came to was my cast HP which had an overall depth of 8.5", followed closely by the factory loaded Gold Dot which attained an depth of 8.75"

We gently scraped until we came to the next which was the handloaded 185gr Star JHP which had reached a depth of 9.25", and was exceeded only slightly by the Federal Hydra Shok at 9.75"

So the Hydra Shok won in the penetration dept by 1.25" over my own cast HP, and only slightly edged out the others. What surprised me however, was that none, of the jacketed HP expanded over their original diameter. In every one of them the nose was plugged with the plastic lid material, including the cast, however the cast DID expand to .710" from the initial nose diameter of around .325".

So while my boolit might not have bested the best in penetration, it surely did in expansion even WITH a big chunk of bucket lid squashed squarely into the middle of it. While I would SO VERY MUCH HATE to ever have to do so, I do feel that after this, plus other very similar test, if I were faced with the situation of having to use that particular handgun for defense of my life, I can rest assured that the cast load I shot this past weekend would surely dissuade any BG from wanting to pursue further intentions upon myself or my family.

I will try and get up a few pic's shortly, but for now I have to go get some dishes done that the sweetie asked me to take care of. I feel it's only right, she allows me to have a lifetime kitchen pass, so I might as well pitch in when asked to.

lwknight
09-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Bhuughhahaha!!
That's one reason that I started working with paper patching and soft lead. I figured that if it were push to shove I could match the hoity toity bullets. I think I'm pretty close too.

41mag
09-19-2012, 07:23 PM
Well I know it has been a while since I promised pictures but I have had a LOT going on. That said on to the pic's,

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f285/41nag/Shooting/Cast%20Boolit%20Loading%20and%20Shooting/Alloy%20Testing/P1010017_zpsca81fec9.jpg

( L-R; 230gr Gold Dot, 230gr Hydra Shok, 185gr Star JHP, 255gr MP 452 640 LGHP )
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f285/41nag/Shooting/Cast%20Boolit%20Loading%20and%20Shooting/Alloy%20Testing/P1010018_zps7ed53667.jpg

As I mentioned above, if you believe the advertising, these are the most recommended factory loads. I have no doubt that their history shows they ARE reliable, as I have used the GD for years with no issues in my 10mm in the 180gr version. The Hydra Shok is used by plenty of LE in their carry weapons for a good reason, they DO usually work, and work well. While my boolit surely doesn't qualify as anything near perfect I do believe that I will look into having at least a couple in the clip from now on.

This said, I have found that on numerous occasions the same results as above while testing one against something else. The media as well as the initial material contacted has a great deal to do with how they respond. I simply did not figure on the dismal results I got when shooting them up against my own cast when it did what I had hoped they all would do.

lwknight
09-19-2012, 08:08 PM
Wow! I hope its a media thing. The results look more like dismal failure for the commercial bullets. Now I wonder if your lead boolit were shot into a medium that the commercial bullets worked right in, would hold together.
I think that your cast boolits should perform very well but you can't know till you get a proper test.

As I said many times , two percent tin with no appreciable antimony makes for a superb handgun bullet but, I never tested it in a low velocity cartridge like t he 45ACP.

1Shirt
09-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Good pics! Good results so far!
1Shirt!:coffeecom

NSP64
09-19-2012, 09:11 PM
Your boolit only lost in penetration because it won in expansion:drinks:


You cast a beautiful boolit.

fcvan
09-19-2012, 10:33 PM
I need to do some media testing with my hollow points. I have been making a 200gr RN HP with a plain based gas check. I made a nose punch which is actually designed to open the hollow point of the boolit to about the size of the hydrosock bullet. I mainly opened the HP to accept a 6mm air soft pellet to aid in expansion. I plan on using neon lime green air soft pellets, green boolit lube, and plain based checks made from mountain dew cans - home brew zombie boolits. When I get done, there will be pictures :) Frank

41mag
09-20-2012, 04:51 AM
Well I might give the line of gallon zip bags full of water a try next. They might be a bit more forgiving in the plugged nose dept. I have actually seen similar result with the J-words however, shooting into straight bank sand, but I have also seen textbook expansion as well.

With shooting into the buckets, I haven't noticed ANY of the cast which did not expand, in fact with the initial testing of the straight LG Core alloy most of them blew the noses off and the shanks continued on to the bottom. I found complete rings, and partial rings of lead within the first 3' of the same dirt.

I have been trying to be as consistent with the buckets and dirt through out my testing of different alloys. It's pretty easily done since I recover 99+% of it every time. It is all sifted through a 1/8" SS screen and then poured back into the bucket each time getting slightly packed by picking up and dropping it to do so. Each time so far has been roughly a two week interval between shooting and when done I add in about 1/4 of a 16oz bottled water to keep it freshened up. By the time I get back it has usually had plenty of time to stabilize and is all only slightly damp. Having it sit out in the sun with the lid screwed on I figure just keeps it peculating like a terrarium.

The great thing about the buckets is I have a nearly inexhaustible supply of them and the lids. That said unless I blow a shot ad rip out the side, I usually only have to replace the lid. Even with those however it usually only takes a quick wipe with a damp rag on a previously used one and then I can stick a new target over the holes or duct tape over them to keep the dirt in.

rintinglen
09-20-2012, 06:31 PM
It comes as no shock to me that a soft lead cast HP would out-expand similar Jacketed bullts.

I found that the 45 ACP just doesn't have the velocity to get reliable expansion unless +p loads are used when shooting jacketed bullets. I used H&G 68 boolits in my privately purchased Sig Sauer P220 because I did not feel confident in any commercially made hollowpoints expanding and they made little holes in a target compared to the SWC.

mpmarty
09-20-2012, 07:40 PM
That's why I like my solid copper Barnes in 45acp. 185gr flyin ash tray comes out of my 3" pistol at a tad over 1000fps.