The cartridge ID game, everybody can win!

[429421Cowboy]

Helped my girlfriend of two years move to a new house last night and after we finished we were sitting on the couch enjoying some Chinese takeout when she said "I have something I have never shown you that you might be interested in".
Hmmm... She brought out a big cardboard box and put it in my lap and i was supprised by how heavy it was. Turns out her uncle collected headstamps as his hobby when he grew older, and left his collection to K when he passed away, and she continued his hobby for many years when she was younger. I knew she had a shell collection she had told me about before but had no idea this is what she meant!He had an interest in metric military rounds, so the collection consists of alot of very hard to identify metric rounds,but i got most of them worked out. He would write to any gunwriter he could get the address to and ask them for a case with a unique headstamp so alot of the shells have letters or notes with them.
Some of the headstamps i wrote down;
UMC .38-70
.223 plastic ball lead free 40 gr frangible (dated '74, how true that is i have no idea)
A .30 Herret, with a Sierra bullet and the handload recipe, sent by an unnamed gunwriter
.32 rimfire shotshell, headstamp U
.500 S&W with the Barnes all copper bullet, those ain't cheap!
Several Hoffman .300 Magnum rounds
.50 Beowolf
9mm Longbow frangible
Browning headstamped .270, 9mm, .32 ACP, .308 and .458 win mag,
and these ones, that i put before you as a quiz! The monster on top is a detached retna, i mean a .416 Weatherby mag, have at the others!

[Doc_Stihl]

The ones on the right in the clip are likely to be 8x50r or 8x56r Hungarian.

They headstamps I've seen often have swastikas as most ammo available in clips was nazi surplus.

[429421Cowboy]

A winner already! 8x56R, 1939 with the eagle waffen stamp on box and on the clip, she has several boxes of those. As i understand it the clips are worth more than the actual ammo.

[Harter66]

That would have been my guess. The 8mm that is .

The middle single looks like a CCI 38/357 shot shell ,next to a 5,7 FN. Since I'm thinking of changing my handle to oftenwrong I my be completely out in the woods.....

[texassako]

The one on the left looks to be a 7.62x25 Tokarev.

[429421Cowboy]

No and no, sorry guys!

[oneokie]

Left one is 30 Luger.

[DSL1138]

I'm guessing the middle one is a 7.62x38mmR.

[Stonecrusher]

I think the middle one is a plastic cased round that was reloadable. USAC or some such. They also sold plated heel type bullets for loading these with a plastic hand held loader. Looks to be .38 Special. Don't remember if they had other calibers. And no, I never tried them!

[244H&H]

Is the top one a 460 wm

[frkelly74]

30 Rook

[oneokie]

Is the top one a 460 wm
uhh, the op identified the top one.


The monster on top is a detached retna, i mean a .416 Weatherby mag, have at the others!

[nvbirdman]

Is the middle one a .351win ?

[429421Cowboy]

I think the middle one is a plastic cased round that was reloadable. USAC or some such. They also sold plated heel type bullets for loading these with a plastic hand held loader. Looks to be .38 Special. Don't remember if they had other calibers. And no, I never tried them!

Winner winner chicken dinner!
It is a 158 gr copper plated rn .38 Spl, USAC aluminum head and plastic case. Some of the history i dug up states that they sold for $4-6/box cheaper than their brass counterparts, as you already stated they were loaded with a palm type plastic loader and only could be loaded with heeled bullets of their manufacture. Couldn't find any loads and don't know anybody that used them, if somebody came up with a mold i bet they could use home cast:-P

You guys are thinking waaayy too big on the far left round, OAL is quite similar to a .22 lr round, didn't have my calipers to give any numbers though.

[SciFiJim]

The one on the left is a 7.63 Mauser or 30 Mauser.

[Doc_Stihl]

The stripper clips to the 8x56 ammo are usually ~$3-6 each. The last time I needed stripper clips for my 8x50r I bought 8x56r boxes of ammo for $10 that had 4 stripper clips within and on the same table the guy had stripper clips for $5 each. Go figure.

[WILCO]

The one on the left is a 7.63 Mauser or 30 Mauser.

That's my guess too! :grin:

[texassako]

Well since the left is not .30 Mauser or 7.62 Tokarev, then how about 7mm Nambu.

[429421Cowboy]

We are talking much smaller than .30/7.62 here, but still centerfire. It was designed for a small pistol and can penetrate soft body armor which seems to be the only possible usefulness of the round...

[Silvercreek Farmer]

7n31?

[Hardcast416taylor]

Winner winner chicken dinner!
It is a 158 gr copper plated rn .38 Spl, USAC aluminum head and plastic case. Some of the history i dug up states that they sold for $4-6/box cheaper than their brass counterparts, as you already stated they were loaded with a palm type plastic loader and only could be loaded with heeled bullets of their manufacture. Couldn't find any loads and don't know anybody that used them, if somebody came up with a mold i bet they could use home cast:-P

You guys are thinking waaayy too big on the far left round, OAL is quite similar to a .22 lr round, didn't have my calipers to give any numbers though.


I have about 1K of this type of .38 spcl ammo, cases and loose bullets, in 1 of my loading cabinets. I don`t know any load data for them either and so they just sit there.Robert

[Silvercreek Farmer]

5.45x18?

[Silvercreek Farmer]

.22 Scamp?

[Silver Eagle]

The one on the left is a 22 TCM developed by Armscor. Shortened and necked down .223.

Silver Eagle

[Silvercreek Farmer]

The one on the left is a 22 TCM developed by Armscor. Shortened and necked down .223.

Silver Eagle

The shoulder does not seem to match the 22 TCM

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w92/mlindsay527/22-TCM.jpg

[429421Cowboy]

5.45x18?

Correct! Seems like an awfully thin line to hang your life from, no matter how easy the PCM was to conceal! Few made it to the states so ammo is rather hard to come by, some of the stuff on the internet was selling for as high as $10-12 a round! She has an original box with the Russian printing and all the rounds in it unfired.
Thank you all for playing!

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Correct! Seems like an awfully thin line to hang your life from, no matter how easy the PCM was to conceal! Few made it to the states so ammo is rather hard to come by, some of the stuff on the internet was selling for as high as $10-12 a round! She has an original box with the Russian printing and all the rounds in it unfired.
Thank you all for playing!

If nothing else, I am pretty handy with Google! Never would have figured it out without your clues.

Check out this guy's collection:

http://pistolsmith.com/ammunition/22091-specialty-ap-pistol-ammo.html

[frkelly74]

5.7 FN I thought it looked too short for that round. never mind