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292
07-30-2012, 09:20 PM
I crashed and burned with Lee 358-125-RF. I'm thinking about Lee TL356-124-TC.

MtGun44
07-30-2012, 09:31 PM
Avoid the TL, use the 356-120-TC, pan lube with NRA 50-50 lube, shoot at .357 or .358
diam.

Have read this: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=121737

Might help.

Bill

GREENCOUNTYPETE
07-30-2012, 10:22 PM
what went wrong with the 358-125RF

i also use the lee 356-120 TC with standard lube groove but i use alox on them, but i don't push them very hard

sbeatty1983
07-30-2012, 10:27 PM
the .356-120 TC works well for me too I can load them as cast at .358 or size to .356 and both shoot well with minimal leading. I also have a .356 125-RN but it contacts the rifling in my 9mm barrel and jams the pistol. It works very well in my 38 super barrel though.

292
07-31-2012, 05:56 AM
Boolit contacts the barrel throat. I'm ordering a 356-120-TC mould.

sig2009
07-31-2012, 11:07 AM
Boolit contacts the barrel throat. I'm ordering a 356-120-TC mould.

Good luck. My mold would not size larger than .356 no matter what alloy I used.

Cherokee
07-31-2012, 07:22 PM
I use the Lee 356-120TC lube groove boolits sized .356 in my 9mm and 38 Super guns. Runs great, accurate and no leading even with top loads. I use Lars CR lube. BTW, my boolits do drop at .357-.358 using WW plus tin.

.5mv^2
07-31-2012, 09:42 PM
Not sure about what you are shooting for but why My solution was to set it deeper. Here is what my Lee 105's look like.
http://veloliner.com/loading/1059mm.JPG
They shoot great in a number of guns, even a Keltec with almost no leed. A round nose should be easy to set back in.

rintinglen
07-31-2012, 09:43 PM
I like the 356-402 and the 358-242 heavy weight 122 grainers. The later is the best boolit I have found for my general plimking use, while my 1938 Mauser P08 likes the TC of the former. Steer clear of the 9mm Lee TL molds, though, IME they don't work as well as conventional boolits do.

MtGun44
08-01-2012, 12:25 AM
Lee 105s are real good, too. Sort of an H&G 68 for 9mms.

I think you will do well with the 356-120-TC and NRA 50-50, sized to .357 or .358 and
TC'd enough to make sure the round will drop into the chamber fully.

Bill

292
08-01-2012, 06:21 AM
I think I'm not seating deep enough. My info says 1.125 minimum OAL. I haven't gone much shorter than that.

sbeatty1983
08-01-2012, 08:06 AM
I wouldnt go much shorter than that. you may start running into some pressure issues.

.5mv^2
08-01-2012, 09:44 AM
I would agree you have to show concern for pressure. Considering the smaller volume for powder, trying something like 380 data is a good place to start. The OAL is less than an inch.

I started with w231 and Unique but now use WSF.

H.Callahan
08-01-2012, 09:55 AM
Lee 105s are real good, too. Sort of an H&G 68 for 9mms.
I just got one of those for my 38/357s and after looking at it was thinking the same thing. Are there any published loads for this in 9mm? I couldn't find any for the 38/357s, so I am kinda having to wing it.

.5mv^2
08-01-2012, 11:35 AM
I load the 105swc in 380, 38spl, 9mm and 357mag too. Is it ideal, probably not, but it does make nice round holes and decent groups.

http://veloliner.com/loading/380938357.JPG

Sorry for the picture distortion.

Tag
08-01-2012, 11:46 AM
I use the accurate 147gr. sized at .357 not sure what number it is( I'm at work or I would look) but its the rcbs knockoff with two lube grooves, I can get up around 900fps. without any leading in my Glock 17 with lone wolf barrel, shoots great

fcvan
08-02-2012, 01:44 AM
I must admit, I haven't used the Lee 358-105 SWC in .357, but sure have used it in the .380, 9mm, and .38SP. It has shot well in every 9mm I've owned, I just haven't shot more than a couple thousand. I got stuck in a rut of using the Lee 356-125 RN and more recently the 356-120 TC. I'm waiting on a plain base gas check punch from Pat and plan on checking the little 105 as well as some other boolits for .357 Mag. I haven't needed checks in the 9mm but will likely check some of those to see how she does in my pistols and Camp Carbine. FRank

.5mv^2
08-02-2012, 06:37 AM
Frank, I worked up a load of 5744 in 357 that sends my 105's zinging at over 1500 in a 4" 357 handgun. I felt the slower powder helps keep the bullets from leading. 5744 has about the same loading density as black powder. I have tried it rimless rounds and it is pretty pathetic. But I like it in 357 and 44mag

Adding something to stay on topic. I size all of my 105swc's to .358". I have modified the 9mm expander die to expand deeper than original. I use the seating die to taper crimp the brass. I seat them just off the lands of my Keltec barrel which is the tightest of my 9mm guns. I think the seating die shapes my bullets as I seat them by tapering the wad cutter section. I think you can see some of it on the photo that I posted.

reloader28
08-02-2012, 02:42 PM
I really like the 358-125.
Personally, I would just back down the powder a couple tenths and seat the boolit deeper. If its like my dads gun, you wont have to go much deeper anyways.
It makes a nice usable boolit with the flat nose and you already have the mold.

Seating depth aint an exact follow the book thing anyways. Most guys adjust to fit their gun the best. I rarely follow the published measurements for auto pistols (unless it works) and never have for rifles.

fcvan
08-02-2012, 06:17 PM
.5mv^2, Thanks for the tips on the powder. I've pushed pretty fast without leading with the Lee 358-105 SWC as well as other boolits. I'm just looking forward to using the plain base checks once the check maker arrives. I think there might be a measurable accuracy increase and it will be fun testing things out.

The .380 and 9mm loads look mighty fine, I'm assuming they are tumble lubed. Heck, all of those cartridges look great! I've loaded them further out and further in. They shot well in the autos and always shoot well in the revolver. They print pretty holes on paper, and tin cans are kilt dead. Can't ask for more than that. Frank

Balta
08-02-2012, 06:42 PM
I try a couple of 9 mm molds..Lee 358 125 RF is great boolit but i didn't get result i was lucking for loading for IPSC.To light.Also try Lee TL 358 124 RF but tumble lubing didnt work for me.
Also have and cast from lyman 9 mm 147 grain FPBB but boolit was to hevy-152 grain with lyman #2 aloy (90-5-5 formula).Great boolit but just to heavy for 9 mm.
Recently bought MP Mold 359 147 FPBB,six banger .Litle expensive but high quality mold.Great boolit.drops at 143 grain and i will add more lead in the alloy to increase weight to 145-147 grain.Casts about 1500 bolits and its my favorite..Use N320 ,thats al i have:=(
I know its not so common for target shooting to cast 9 mm more than 125 grain but...like i said,cast for IPSC shooting and my CZ 75SP01..Size at .357 ,no problems!http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=754&pictureid=5605

sbeatty1983
08-02-2012, 07:16 PM
Also have and cast from lyman 9 mm 147 grain FPBB but boolit was to hevy-152 grain with lyman #2 aloy (90-5-5 formula).Great boolit but just to heavy for 9 mm.
Recently bought

good to know as I am looking for a heavy boolit for 38 super.