Can I haul this with a 2000 F250 4X4 7.3 short bed?

[Just Duke]

Can I haul this with a F250 7.3 short bed? I have no clue to the weight limits of this truck
360 bales per load 21,000 pounds hay weight.
TIA,
Duke
We do have a F350 7.3 Dually Crew Cab 4X4 but this will be a one way trip and it will be hauling a 6 horse trailer.
Reason? We need to bounce back and fourth between two different states. Summer-Winter

[Ickisrulz]

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/default.asp

[paul h]

That's way too much for even a 1 ton.

The F550 is rated for ~24,000 pounds pulling a 5th wheel, and even at that I'd think a trailer that can handle 21,000 pounds of heigh must weigh at least 4000#'s.

Looks like if you want to safely and legally haul such a trailer you're looking at something alont the lines of a semi based pickup.

http://sportchassis.com/images/stories/3.0modelimages/RHA106.png

[Goatwhiskers]

Will it move the load? Without a doubt. Stopping? A wide open question, have to be very, very careful. IMHO, a 250 is simply not enough truck overall. I've been around a few moons and have seen an awful lot of people moving very heavy loads just because the engine would roll the wheels. Personally I wouldn't move that load with anything less than a one ton, maybe bigger if I could get it. Here endeth the epistle. Goatwhiskers the Elder

[geargnasher]

Duke, it'll pull it until the tranny finally burns up, but you ain't gonna stop it, that's for sure.

Also, you'll have a hard time finding rear tires with enough capacity single-loaded to handle the weight. Loads like that are pulled around here all the time with 3/4-ton diesel pickups, but VERY carefully, and VERY short distances, like from one field to the one 1/2 mile to the road. Loads like that being pulled more than a couple miles need a rig like Paul H. posted, with air brakes on truck and trailer.

Gear

[Just Duke]

Thanks guys. Looks like neither truck will handle the weight.
The bales are 60 pounds each so........

[geargnasher]

Unload half of it and make two trips. Or hire a Hotshot driver with the proper vehicle (and insurance) to do it for you.

Gear

[OneSkinnyMass]

+1 on what Gear said

Skinny

[garym1a2]

Not a chance, my 2001 Dodge 3500 is only rate for 21000 GWVR and that includes the weight of the truck. At best you are rated to tow about 12000 lbs. If you try to tow that much starting is ok, stopping will be hard and tranny may burn burn. That assume when lowering the weight onto the truck the payload does not collaspe your shocks and springs.




Can I haul this with a F250 7.3 short bed? I have no clue to the weight limits of this truck
360 bales per load 21,000 pounds hay weight.
TIA,
Duke
We do have a F350 7.0 Dually Crew Cab 4X4 but this will be a one way trip and it will be hauling a 6 horse trailer.
Reason? We need to bounce back and fourth between two different states. Summer-Winter

[sureroof]

Duke
Check, I think you will need a CDL to pull a 21,000 lb load.
Pete

[Just Duke]

Unload half of it and make two trips.

Gear



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[waksupi]

You may want to check if you can take the hay across the state line. Some states will only allow certified weed free hay.

[winchester85]

i pull my 25 foot gooseneck (tandem dual), with my skidsteer and an attachment or two. my skidsteer weighs 13,200 with no attachment. my total load NOT including the trailer is around 15,000. that is about as much as i would haul any distance. the load in the picture? no way.

[375RUGER]

How far do you have to go?
I did 350 miles once with a 1 ton Duramax, total weight 28,000#. I wouldn't make a habit of doing that though.
From the looks of your trailer you will be pushing 33,000# with a 1 ton truck.
You need a Class A CDL to even drive a truck with that trailer, load or no load. The combined weight rating for a 1 ton truck and that trailer is about 34,000#.
Most states don't mess with the farmers and ranchers though.

[olaf455]

No way with an F250. The dually, maby. However, if your uncomfortable with the idea, don't do it...

[Plate plinker]

How far do you need to go is the first question?

375ruger is on the right idea.

[Longwood]

You may want to check if you can take the hay across the state line. Some states will only allow certified weed free hay.

And for good reason.
Monsanto has forced mother nature into making some new weeds that you can't kill with a axe.


Edit:
I guess I should change that to anything BUT an axe.

[Longwood]

Go for it,,,,
Watch the Mexicans at Home Depot. If they can drive off with a ton and a half on a half ton,,,,.
:popcorn:
They not only can,,, I have seen it with my own eyes.:shock:[smilie=s:

[OneSkinnyMass]

just b'cus a truck's tow limit says it can be done doesn't mean "yeah, go for it".
if it's a flat shot from point A to B then maybe get close to ya limit but if you are going thru mountainous terrain you'd be better off making 3 successful trips than 1 unsuccessful one.
just age speaking

Skinny

[Just Duke]

Hay! thanks guys. ;)

[Superfly]

Not legally and your plain stupid for doing it if you did better have a medical card with a CDL class A and a tow truck handy becuse you will be busted the first scale you pull into.

So we know you aint stupid, So hire it out and come out ahead.

[Longwood]

just b'cus a truck's tow limit says it can be done doesn't mean "yeah, go for it".
if it's a flat shot from point A to B then maybe get close to ya limit but if you are going thru mountainous terrain you'd be better off making 3 successful trips than 1 unsuccessful one.
just age speaking

Skinny

I used to haul hay over mountain passes in Oregon in a 1933 Chevy ton and a half with mechanical brakes.
Talk about a long slow grind up the hills.
Down hill,,, slowing down was more of a "Try".

[Beau Cassidy]

You will most certainly get stopped by the dept. of transportation or whoever it is that inspects 18-wheelers. That stop will be very expensive as your load is certainly double the load capacity of the truck. Also, your non-commercial license will not cover you for that weight.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

we had some fellas come to town hauling to much with a pick up and trailer , they come down the hill not even that steep a mile outside town , they didn't make the curve at the entrance to town where the speed drops from 55 to 35 , they didn't make it home either they died when the hole thing rolled over ,next day all you could see where the skid marks going strait off the road and big scorch mark from the fire.

funny stretch of road , looks fairly strait , 2 lane state hwy wide shoulders passing lanes on the hill, some hills not real steep a few curves but nothing sharp , but it sure kills a lot of people death toll as already at 4 for the year , was the same last year same 10 mile stretch of road same mile gets half of them strait as can be but the hill changes grade 3-4 times and if some one is in your lane at the change in grade you can't see them till they are on top of you

[waksupi]

I believe I would sell the hay, and buy local at the new location

[Just Duke]

I believe I would sell the hay, and buy local at the new location

The new location has no hay. Hence, the hauling.

[leadman]

Some of the 250s have a single roller bearing for a rear axle bearing, some have dual tapered roller bearings. I have seen overloaded single bearing axles shear off. Just smile when your rear wheel passes you!
IIRC the CDL weight is 26,001 pounds. I turned in my CDL in 2007 after I retired.

[Bret4207]

States vary in licensing requirements. Grandpa Greyhair is perfectly fine driving a 30K GVWR super motor home on his class D in some states, while towing the Caddy and the boat behind it too. In other states that would require a Class B or higher and an Endorsement for Doubles, if it were legal at all. Whether this rig would require a CDL A depends on exactly what the hay is for- if there is any possibility of compensation involved, winning a horse back shooting event for instance, then this would be a part of supporting a commercial enterprise. That's when DOT rules for CMVs come into play. In most states for general driving purposes the Class B comes in when you ahve a single power unbit with a GVWR exceeding 26K. THe A comes in when the trailed unit has a GVWR over 10K and the Combined GVWR exceeds 26K. Mind you that NOT registered weight, that's CGVWR. We have seen people try to get around licensing requirements by registering their KW for 9500 lbs. Doesn't fly.

As far as the rig itself- no, no, a thousand times no!

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

$$$$$

[Dan Cash]

Put the horse trailer on the 250 and pull the goose neck with the 350. That will give you an allowable Gross Vehicle Weight of about 30,000 pounds assuming 10,000 for the truck and 20,000 for the trailer. Within those parameters, you can haul and stop your outfit just fine. Be aware of Commercial Driver License regs and hay certification if it applies.
Dan

[runfiverun]

How far do you have to go?
I did 350 miles once with a 1 ton Duramax, total weight 28,000#. I wouldn't make a habit of doing that though.
From the looks of your trailer you will be pushing 33,000# with a 1 ton truck.
You need a Class A CDL to even drive a truck with that trailer, load or no load. The combined weight rating for a 1 ton truck and that trailer is about 34,000#.
Most states don't mess with the farmers and ranchers though.

i was getting about 34,000 lbs also.
26k is going to be a hit the port deal [and a cdl required]
agriculture usually get's a break [exemptions] here also, but across state lines [interstate] the rules change.
unless it's a local haul and arrangements are made at the port ahead of time.
certification of the hay will be required in at least half [or more now] of the states.
your best bet would be to buy [by the ton] from near where you want to put it.

[Just Duke]

certification of the hay will be required in at least half.
Neither states required it. But thanks
The new location has no hay. Hence, the hauling.

[runfiverun]

i'd do half loads then.
it will just be plain easier on the equipment.
i know,, the price of fuel and all.
but time and tires,axle repairs,transmissions,that stuff ain't cheap.
or possibly rent a haul vehicle.

[Down South]

Hire a hot shot or find a buddy that has a much larger truck.

Even at half load I'd be worried. The F-250 depending on year model, the transmission is the weak link. Do you have an extra tranny cooler and a real tranny temp gauge?
The past two trucks I had were both F-250's. I took extra precautions with both by adding extra coolers and gauges. This time of the year is a scorcher with the ambient temps. Flat open highway ain't bad. It's the little towns or cities and hill country that will get ya. The stop and go driving when the torque converter is not locked generates a lot of heat.

This info is if you have an auto transmission. If you have a standard, then that is a different story.

[garym1a2]

Its better to just hire a real trucker to pull the load.

[Duckiller]

Duke you can haul that load with a 3/4 ton truck. Just keep your speed under 10 mph and give yourself plenty of stopping room. Having someone with a semi tractor haul that load will probably let you sleep a lot easier.

[Bret4207]

i was getting about 34,000 lbs also.
26k is going to be a hit the port deal [and a cdl required]
agriculture usually get's a break [exemptions] here also, but across state lines [interstate] the rules change.
unless it's a local haul and arrangements are made at the port ahead of time.
certification of the hay will be required in at least half [or more now] of the states.
your best bet would be to buy [by the ton] from near where you want to put it.

Check the FMCSA regs, it's distance, not state lines that come into play with the exemptions. IIRC farmers get 150 mile exemption,. but it's been 3 years since I retired.

[bob208]

hook to it pull it around your place see how it does. i know you can pull it stopping would be my worry. many times i have hauled 1 to 1 1/2 ton on a half ton chevy pickup.

[pmer]

I tow 11,000 LBS of pulling tractors on a goose neck with a 3/4 ton diesel. One time in construction traffic I had to stop fast. I didn't hit anything but it was past my comfort zone. Even with the electric trailer brakes it would be too iffy for me.

I have since picked up a F450 and it is like night and day for stopping. I would say do it in two trips if you can't swap trucks.

Hitting something, you would be working with the insurance companies for 2 years before it would be all done. Don't ask how I know. LOL

[largom]

The F350 diesel will handle the load and if you have good brakes on the trailer it will stop it. I hauled a trailer load from Maryland to Montana that grossed 27000 lbs. with a 350 Ford diesel. I would not ever do that again, my hiney hole is still puckered after 10 yrs. I would lighten the load or make two trips.

Larry

[TexRebel]

Not legally and your plain stupid for doing it if you did better have a medical card with a CDL class A and a tow truck handy becuse you will be busted the first scale you pull into.

So we know you aint stupid, So hire it out and come out ahead.

Hire Superfly and get it done safe and legal the 1at try

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

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[Just Duke]

We found a second trailer so we will split it up and thank guys. :)

[Just Duke]

What truck would we need to buy to haul this. I'm pretty much a Ford guy so... :drinks:

[Bret4207]

Something that will likely require a CDL.

[pmer]

In my area the max GVW is 26,000 with no CDL. My truck and trailer empty is 14,140 LBS.

I see that trailer has 3, (7000 lb ? axles) the trailer is likely close to 7000 - 7500 lbs. 21000 load plus 7500 trailer =28500 minus 21000 gvw of trailer would equal 7500 lbs on the goose neck ball.

So your truck would need that capacity. Maybe a CDL guy could chime in and clean this up for me. I think a single axle 5 th wheel commercial truck with a goose neck on it would work.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

long.

[Bret4207]

According to the OP he wants to haul 21K of hay. I'm pretty sure he's going to need at least something like an F350, if not a 450, to do that and that that truck will have a GVWR in excess of 10K, more likely in the 14K area based on trucks I've seen hauling trailers like that.. Theres no way you can have a CGVWR under 26K with the truck and trailer and the trailer HAS to have a GVWR over 21K to haul 21 K. I don't see much chance of avoiding a Class A in this situation if he wants to haul 21K of product.

[Just Duke]

The F350 diesel will handle the load and if you have good brakes on the trailer it will stop it. I hauled a trailer load from Maryland to Montana that grossed 27000 lbs. with a 350 Ford diesel. I would not ever do that again, my hiney hole is still puckered after 10 yrs. I would lighten the load or make two trips.

Larry


UPDATE:
The wifes back to work and were selling the F250 and getting a second and maybe a third F350 Diesel Dually Crew Cab. Looks like the third is is almost for sure.
Also 2 to 3 triple axle trailers and smaller loads.

[possom813]

http://www.driverside.com/specs/ford-super_duty_f550_drw-2013-169938-422203-0


http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/specifications/exterior/


Solve all your towing issues :mrgreen:

[Just Duke]

The F350 diesel will handle the load and if you have good brakes on the trailer it will stop it. I hauled a trailer load from Maryland to Montana that grossed 27000 lbs. with a 350 Ford diesel. I would not ever do that again, my hiney hole is still puckered after 10 yrs. I would lighten the load or make two trips.

Larry

Any used trailer we would get would get all new brake parts and wiring from http://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Accessories_and_Parts-sf-Trailer_Brakes.aspx

[Just Duke]

http://www.driverside.com/specs/ford-super_duty_f550_drw-2013-169938-422203-0


http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/specifications/exterior/


Solve all your towing issues :mrgreen:

That's a nice truck but it would sit 9 months out of the year.

[possom813]

That's a nice truck but it would sit 9 months out of the year.

But it would sit in style [smilie=1:

[Just Duke]

But it would sit in style [smilie=1:

Sure would if you bought it for me. lol

[possom813]

Right on, if they'll take a rubber check, or my rugged good looks as payment :mrgreen:

[ffg]

We want pictures of the rig pulling the load . FYI , some states eased load limits in drought areas for hay hauling so you might check .

[elkhuntfever]

Duke, I'll throw this in the mix. Worked for a fellow that pulled backhoes with his pickup on gooseneck trailers. His final set up was a 450 Ford diesel with hydrolic trailer brakes. He had a hydrolic pump installed on the truck. It impressed the state police.

[Just Duke]

Duke, I'll throw this in the mix. Worked for a fellow that pulled backhoes with his pickup on gooseneck trailers. His final set up was a 450 Ford diesel with hydrolic trailer brakes. He had a hydrolic pump installed on the truck. It impressed the state police.

Looks like we should be OK hauling half of what we intended.

[1bluehorse]

That is quite a load..tall too, I keep my hay haulin to about 15,000 gross (5-6 ton hay) my trailer weighs in just over 5klb with a 16,000 gross. 02' Dodge 3/4, cummins, 6sp, jake brake..normally not hauling more than 150 miles tops, usually half that. Which two states??? I see you have Ore, Wa, and Nev for locations, heck, we're probably neighbors...my WAG....Wa rain belt to Bullhead City, Nv....:-D

[Just Duke]

That is quite a load..tall too, I keep my hay haulin to about 15,000 gross (5-6 ton hay) my trailer weighs in just over 5klb with a 16,000 gross. 02' Dodge 3/4, cummins, 6sp, jake brake..normally not hauling more than 150 miles tops, usually half that. Which two states??? I see you have Ore, Wa, and Nev for locations, heck, we're probably neighbors...my WAG....Wa rain belt to Bullhead City, Nv....:-D

Are you up in Sequim or Port Angelas? I'm in Vancouver.

[shdwlkr]

Duke
Do you and Barbie like they way you look right now? If so get a least a F450 for even half that load and watch your cvcw also.
If you feel that you need to haul half that load on one trailer then you are looking at an F650 with at least 22 inch wheels so you have some good sized brakes.
What most forget it is not the get moving that is an issue it is stopping in a safe distance when you need or want too.
I am in the same boat looking for a truck and if you look you can find an F650 for about the same money as a F450 or F550 and you have much more truck to stop with. If you find one with double duals have one set removed, air lines remove them and put not for hire on the doors.

I have a F250 crew 20 inch tires and am looking at a goose neck trailer with singles and gross weight of 14,000 with the truck grossing at 10,000 that keeps me under the 26,000 number and so no CDL needed. I have checked with my DMV and they agree that is the biggest that is not going to get me in trouble with a F250. Talked to a ISP officer and he agreed that would be max to be safe in all areas, driving , stopping and LEO questions. Also scales might be visited but as long as it is my stuff no issues.

Back to your original OP that would require in my book a Class 8 tractor to pull safely and I really like being able to stop where and when I want with a load. If I need a CDL to pull a load then I will hire someone that has one to make the move just simpler and easier on the wallet and insurance bills.
I grew up working on a neighbors farm and we used trucks to haul our hay we would put that much on a truck and off we would go. sometimes you had to pay really good attention to the road though, Think rain here and the tires on most farm trucks. You could slide real good real easy, how do I know that, hmmmmmmmm. Never lost a load but others did they were just in to much of a hurry to get from point A to point B and didn't factor in the little old lady that was just going to the store because she could .

[Just Duke]

I just got off the phone with the lady that sells the hay. She regularly hauls state wide including out of state, 8 ton loads with a 1 ton Dodge and a 32 foot trailer all the time. Does this sound cool?

I do know that in 2000 Teton use to make a 22,000 lb. fifth wheel travel trailer that could be towed by a 1 ton Doge truck. I new a fella that used to pick up and deliver them.

[Baja_Traveler]

You are looking at the wrong trucks - Toyota says it is perfectly possible since they towed the space shuttle with a little Tundra... :roll:

[Just Duke]

No problem, The lady with the hay is going to deliver it.
Thanks all for the help.

[Idaho Mule]

I was gonna suggest the Toyota Tundra too, pulling the space shuttle and all they gotta be pretty tough. Question tho DUKE, where in the heck in WA are you moving that you can't get local hay?? That part don't make sense to me. Seriously, don't try to haul that for long distance or over state lines without a bigger (as in real) truck. JW

[Just Duke]

I was gonna suggest the Toyota Tundra too, pulling the space shuttle and all they gotta be pretty tough. Question tho DUKE, where in the heck in WA are you moving that you can't get local hay?? That part don't make sense to me. Seriously, don't try to haul that for long distance or over state lines without a bigger (as in real) truck. JW

The Tundra pulling the space shuttle would have been done with CGI.
I'm trying to move out of WA, OR and NV. Salem OR is where the heck the hay is.

[NVScouter]

I never thought I'd see a hay hauling thread.............ever.

This is what happens when City boys make money and move to the country. I know that sounds bad but there is more to it then getting a big hat, boots and a ranchette. Don't take that as a personal attack, take it as a future guide from somebody being honest with you. I grew up hauling hay and its bulky, blows all over, and needs a real hauling rig to move in that quantity. A big part of the price is moving it from A-B with the rest being mostly water cost. Add in what cut it is, "certified weed free", and a pitance to the rancher.

Now your 21,000lb trailer with a 1 ton isnt safe but people do unsafe stuff all the time. Doesnt make it right or legal, your average Highway Patrol officer wont be able to eyeball a 12K load from a 16K load so they get by. A reputable business will have a CDLs and 450-650 Vehicles. Its the braking, axles, tires, suspension, and frame strength. I've hauled lots of **** loads to include water, hay, steel, livestock and its not like hauling your camp trailer. It takes a good rig and a good driver to do it saftely.

[Just Duke]

I never thought I'd see a hay hauling thread.............ever.

This is what happens when City boys make money and move to the country. I know that sounds bad but there is more to it then getting a big hat, boots and a ranchette. Don't take that as a personal attack, take it as a future guide from somebody being honest with you. I grew up hauling hay and its bulky, blows all over, and needs a real hauling rig to move in that quantity. A big part of the price is moving it from A-B with the rest being mostly water cost. Add in what cut it is, "certified weed free", and a pitance to the rancher.

Now your 21,000lb trailer with a 1 ton isnt safe but people do unsafe stuff all the time. Doesnt make it right or legal, your average Highway Patrol officer wont be able to eyeball a 12K load from a 16K load so they get by. A reputable business will have a CDLs and 450-650 Vehicles. Its the braking, axles, tires, suspension, and frame strength. I've hauled lots of **** loads to include water, hay, steel, livestock and its not like hauling your camp trailer. It takes a good rig and a good driver to do it saftely.

This is what happens when my wife has climate related health issues and needs to move to an area that's more conducive to knee and hip join problems.
North of Sacramento CA offers climate that she could reside in only Sacramento lacks the annual rain fall to provide substantial hay production for cattle and horses.
The "big hat, boots and a ranchette" might apply to some you have met just not us. Myself as a youth grew up noodling which is pretty much a redneck term. I to this day remember the look on my parents face when they walked in and saw my younger brother on his horse in my parents living room.
As far as trucking goes just because one knows how to do it does not mean someone else can't learn as you did. It's also not rocket science for sure.
I watched a youtube video of a 19 year old girl driving a HET with a M1 Abrams in tow. Something similar HERE (http://www.blackanthem.com/News/U_S_Military_19/Sisters_support_each_other4775.shtml) We used to shoot with a fella that is now a HET driver in the Guard who I am really surprised if he can open a candy wrapper without reading the instructions and he was the smarter of the lot.
Also 19 year old girls delivered P-51 Mustang from the factory assembly lines during WWII HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots)
ANYWAY As posted the decision had already been solved.
The deal breaker for moving there is the oppressive firearms laws.
We have since gone back to our midwest searches.
At least some like ourselves are stepping up to the plate to potentially provide livestock to a collapsing farm/ranch industry with per the GOV website stating 75 percent of the farmers are 55 years old plus the other 25 percent are 70 years old plus.
We also see this pretty much across the US. example: Bert and Gertrude have passed and Biff and Buffy inherited the farm/ranch and want absolutely NOTHING to do with it other than sell it and retire driving their Volvo Station Wagon to happy hour or pick up at Domino's pizza.
So if you want to keep having your steak and eggs at the local truck stop someone like myself needs to do it.
Just think.... In 10 years our population will double.
If a person does not have the confidence to learn something new they have already defeated themselves.

On a side note why don't I give up the idea of casting my own bullets and just leave it to the professionals by buying jacketed ones.

[shdwlkr]

Duke
I am in that old age group you are talking about, looking to get back into cattle raising just not a dairy operation never never again.
I prefer to die out on my land doing what I like and yes I will have some country smell about me, but you know something I hate city life, don't like close neighbors and most of all hope to be able to get back to the land before I die and just fertilize the ground.

I am still looking for a place that fits me, have gone from a a few acres to looking at a few thousand and back to a few acres can't make up my mind which would be more fun.
As to moving loads of hay I have seen good ideas, bad ideas, stupid ideas and I can't believe that worked ideas. Yes you can learn how to do it all but it helps when someone who has been there kind of steers you in the right direction. Me I grew up working on neighbors farm and we used trucks to move our hay no hay wagons like so many use. Learned real fast the size of the brakes, axles and frame make a real big difference in what you can and can't do safely. I have always liked the idea of being able to stop in the shortest distance needed to do it safely and that isn't always what you get.

I have arthritis in all my joints, broken back, shattered patellas and broken ankle and yes one day I will have my spot in the country and farm again. Will it hurt sure it will but you have to realize I live in God's country and he will give me the strength, endurance and will to do what I need to do until it is time to go home.

Yes big ranches are in trouble but here in Idaho you might wonder about that when you start traveling around the back roads. Yes people like steaks and eggs but if the cost gets to high they will find something else to eat so raising beef sounds good as long as there is a market and no it doesn't have to be stateside even.

At my age which is old by most standards I would not want a place bigger than 3000 acres to tend but then again if one of my really young kids wanted to come and help who knows how big we would go. I still may end up with just a 30-50 acre place and be real happy just haven't found the ground that speaks to me yet.

My real issue is the cost of getting back into playing(working) on the land, but boys will be boys no matter the age only difference is the size and cost of what excites them.

[cbrick]

I'm late to this party but it was wise to sell the 3/4 ton and even wiser to not use it for this trailer.

Gear nailed it early on in this thread. With that load and your 3/4 ton the breaks wouldn't have lasted till you got out of town. Out on the road with even a slight down hill grade if there is slower traffic ahead of you just plan on heading into the ditch, you wouldn't stop even with the trailer breaks. Trailer breaks? What type of breaks does that trailer have?, if air breaks you couldn't even hook them up. Electric breaks, better but still.

In many states by the number of axles (5 in this case) alone a CDL is needed. There are motor home exemptions to that but that ain't no motor home.

Don't buy the nonsense of the Toyota pulling the shuttle, that was 110% an advertising stunt. You have no way of knowing if that truck was even remotely stock (doubtful) and even if it was it did 2 miles an hour on completely level surface with a very balanced trailer, little to no tongue weight. That was nothing but a stunt so that people that don't know any better will say . . . look at that, I'm buying a Toyota.

Rick

[Just Duke]

Here's where were going. I will though need a JD and a haybine along with a few other PTO implements..
Midwest grasslands pics.

http://www.nature.org/idc/groups/webcontent/@web/@missouri/documents/media/prd_018434.jpg

[shdwlkr]

Duke
is this a picture of your new backyard? ha ha
looks like you need to mow the yard!

[Just Duke]

Duke
is this a picture of your new backyard? ha ha
looks like you need to mow the yard!

Pretty close.
These are the lawn mowers wifey wants.
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[NVScouter]

[QUOTE=DUKE NUKEM;2009908]As far as trucking goes just because one knows how to do it does not mean someone else can't learn as you did. It's also not rocket science for sure.
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I kinda knew you would take it personal. But your right its not rocket science. Truck and hitch tow rating minus GVW =What you can haul. Toyota can haul the spaceshuttle all it wants on TV and Scions can fly too not that is matters. I've had 19 year old drive my M1A1HC on a HET and if you had a HET then your load could be hauled safely, not that it has anything to do with your F350 or hay. It all goes back to vehicle design.

Fact is that yahoos that dont secure thier loads or overload thier vehicle kill people every day. So it may not be rocket science but aparently some folks cant do simple math.

Why the plug about health and "At least some like ourselves are stepping up to the plate to potentially provide livestock to a collapsing farm/ranch industry"? I fail to see how that or the "quit casting" comment add anything other than hurt feelings.

[Just Duke]

[QUOTE=DUKE NUKEM;2009908]As far as trucking goes just because one knows how to do it does not mean someone else can't learn as you did. It's also not rocket science for sure.
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I kinda knew you would take it personal. But your right its not rocket science. Truck and hitch tow rating minus GVW =What you can haul. Toyota can haul the spaceshuttle all it wants on TV and Scions can fly too not that is matters. I've had 19 year old drive my M1A1HC on a HET and if you had a HET then your load could be hauled safely, not that it has anything to do with your F350 or hay. It all goes back to vehicle design.

Fact is that yahoos that dont secure thier loads or overload thier vehicle kill people every day. So it may not be rocket science but aparently some folks cant do simple math.

Why the plug about health and "At least some like ourselves are stepping up to the plate to potentially provide livestock to a collapsing farm/ranch industry"? I fail to see how that or the "quit casting" comment add anything other than hurt feelings.

Were good. ;)

[shdwlkr]

Duke
100 of those would be nice as long as your are on a horse would not want to be on the ground about those critters. Never worked with them but worked with the old Holstein animals that went 1200 pounds for our cows to 2700 for our breeding bulls.