*Pics* 44 Mag. At the range yesterday

[gray wolf]

Had the 44 Mag. bisly Hunter at the range for a little test drive,
and I must say It has potential.
The Pistol has .432 cylinder throats and a .4295 barrel.
The trigger was worked by ruger to 3.5 pounds and has a creep free break.
With one leg off the trigger spring it's about 2 pounds.
Ruger also took out the barrel choke and polished the forcing cone,
replaced the hammer, trigger and Paul. I was happy with there free warranty work, and they were very nice to deal with.
Anyway, One of our great members lent me an old Ideal mold #429421
It drops at about .434--.4345 so I have plenty of latitude for sizing.
So I sized to the throats, .432 the fit is not super tight but it's snug.
The cases I have, all 125 of them are all mixed brass, with many different head stamps. Some go through the sizer tight and some not so tight.
I don't think any off them are the same length.
The primers were Win. LP as for the powder, I used the last bit
of tite group that I had, so I had to settle for loads that were about 900
to 950 FPS out of the 7.5" barrel.
The Lead was a/c ww with about 40% PB so they were not all that hard.
I felt good driving to the range, it was a nice sunny day about 75*
I put a target frame out at 15 yards with some little 1" stickers on it
and said " Sam this is the last of the powder so don't screw up "
Well with the pistol on the sand bag I fired at one of the targets and saw 3 rounds all nestled together, Well I had three left so I thought what the hey, let em fly. As the PIC. shows it's a 1/2" hole for the 6 shots.
The other targets show about the same results.
I think I am on my way to making this pistol shoot. I hope to work up some loads with some 2400 or H110 in the future perhaps a little HS6
I think the tin can paper loads are all worked out.

Pistol--Ruger 44 mag. bisly hunter
Powder-- 6 grains of Tite group
Cases-- all mixed, mostly range brass, UN trimmed
bullet-- AC/WW 40% PB #429421 sized .432 light crimp.

[Hickory]

Isn't it wonderful when you get "the gun" you wish they all were?

[runfiverun]

6 grs.
that's my 45 colt [250 gr boolit] 14k load.
good shootin there sam.
that is really close to the alloy of the boolits i sent you [3 ww's to one soft]

[captaint]

Great shootin Sam. Great feeling when it all comes together and works !! Did you get that Ruger work for free ??. If so, you did good. enjoy Mike

[Thumbcocker]

Luv them Bisley .44's

[GP100man]

gray wolf

Looks as if it all came together nicely for ya !!!

& not in a bad way !!!

6grs of Titegroup ,Hmmm I have some I mite have to try it on some bigger boolits ! as them little 358 dia. boolits seems not to like it at all .

[gray wolf]

A big thanks to you Rich,
Also all the other folks that have helped me get this thing going.
I can talk the talk and do the walk with autos, but revolvers are a new thing to me.
If it were not for cast bullets I would still be far behind the curve.
I have a long way to go but I am more confident now than a month ago.
Also I had fun, and hope to have more fun. At my age I will take all the fun
I can get.
So many folks here, have so much to add, It's like having a whole library of info.
It makes me happy to see so many new people coming on board.

[kenjuudo]

Sam,
Lost your address, PM it to me and I'll get some new trimmed starline brass your way.

jim

[PacMan]

Looks good from here.

[Floydster]

Humm, cast bullets and tightgroup has never worked for me--- very odd.
I use Unique or 4227 with excellent results in my Bisley .44 mag.

[gray wolf]

floydster
Tite group would not have been my first choice but it's what I had. That and a little long shot. Hodgons web site shows you can use it so I tried it.
I don't think I would use it for hotter loads but target and mid range it worked well for me.
I think Unique, 2400, HS6, and H110 are better choices for hotter loads.
It's been said the 4227 can be a little Temp. sensitive, Don't no as I haven't tried it.
Do you have to load max loads with the 4227 ? like the H110 and 296
I might have an old can of I M R 4227 or part of a can. But I think it's about 10 years old. It's like me--old but I think still good Ha,Ha,
Tite group has worked just fine for me in the 45 ACP, 40S&W (light loads)
and the 32 ACP. That's why I had some it.

[Thumbcocker]

Sam, 22 grns of 4227 with a standard primer has been very good to me. Boolit was acww. Never shot long strings in hot weather and had no issues. There is data for higher charge weights but that one is where I stopped. Standard disclaimer .

[Floydster]

Sam, Very nice shooting, one of my favorite loads for the Bisley is 21.5 grs.of 4227 pushing a Lee 240 gr. SWC.
Am also working up a load using Red Dot, with cast bullets----looks promising:)

[44man]

Sam, 22 grns of 4227 with a standard primer has been very good to me. Boolit was acww. Never shot long strings in hot weather and had no issues. There is data for higher charge weights but that one is where I stopped. Standard disclaimer .
Yes it is strange in the .44 when the gun gets hot. I tried it too much at IHMSA.
I shot the most accurate 200 meter groups with them, IMR and Hodgdon but they fell apart with heat.
It was my powder of choice in the .357 max. Crazy accurate and no heat problems.
Just something about it in the .44. Many used it but the cussing on the range was something else.
296 cured my problems.

[725]

gray wolf -

That is just inspirational. Good going!

[gray wolf]

Well my bullets are 250 grains so I guess I can use the 240 L S W loads.
21 to 22 grains look like they are all over 1,200 F P S -- that should smack an animal pretty good EH. I wonder what the Minimum load for that powder is.
Don't know if my thinking is correct on this--but-- I like to use the slowest powder that will get me the most Vel. and only use the fast powders to about midway of there high end potential.
I guess what I am saying is this, if tite group will go to 1200 I would stop at 1000
and then go to something like Unique to bump up a little--then perhaps HS6
then the 2400 0r the H110 or the 296. Does that sound about right ?

[RobS]

I guess what I am saying is this, if tite group will go to 1200 I would stop at 1000
and then go to something like Unique to bump up a little--then perhaps HS6
then the 2400 0r the H110 or the 296. Does that sound about right ?



Yep, load quicker powders for plinkers or lower velocities; it's easier on a boolit's entrance into the forcing cone and throat. Then the medium powders for the middle of the line velocities followed by the slower powders for the middle to upper end velocities. All the way around an easier launch into the barrel is typically a better route for cast boolits. I use H110/Win 296 for max or near max loads and 2400, #9, and Enforcer work nice for the middle and up; they are more versatile powders. I started to work with Enforcer (same as Accurate 4100 powder) and it's a pretty darn good powder so far.

[ColColt]

Great groups, Sam... you done good. I think you'll like HS-6. I've gotten my best groups to date with it. You might try about 10 gr behind the 245 gr boolit. I use that much with a 260 gr RNFP and it gives superb accuracy in my M29-3. That and 2400 have been good for me in the 44 Magnum.

[Stephen Cohen]

Come on mate where is the pic of the Bisley. I will take a chance of the police raid for pistol Porn. God bless America the socialists screwed Australia.

[GP100man]

Not a Bisely, but this one has been many miles with me & is responsible for scatterin many Lbs. of lead !!!

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/100_1007.jpg

[Shiloh]

NICE!!

Shiloh