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water bug
06-11-2012, 07:15 PM
I have a Mauser Model 71/84 which takes 11.15 X 60R cartridges. I do know I will have to slug the bore for an accurate reading of my particular rifle's bore diameter, but would like those who know to tell me what to expect for a "usual" diameter of a rifle in good condition. I plan to shoot with BP ONLY. ( is ti 11.15 mm dia. ? ) Thanks Water Bug.

JMtoolman
06-11-2012, 07:29 PM
Both of mine take a .477 diameter bullet. I shoot paper patch bullets in mine, and size them to .447 in a push through sizer that I made. The toolman.

water bug
06-12-2012, 07:06 AM
Tool man, Please confirm that you mean .447 not .477. Do you size them after paper patcheing? Interesting that my as cast boolits are .446" and that 11.15 mm is .439" WB.

StrawHat
06-12-2012, 07:11 AM
Here's a link to an article I recommend for reloading the 43 Mauser.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=750&magid=56

Beekeeper
06-12-2012, 09:31 AM
Waterbug,
I shoot several 71/84's in various configurations.
My bores (all of them) slug 446 lan, and 449 Groove.
I shoot BP and smokeless as the rifle is designed to do both.Only one I know of that is but I only shoot Mausers!
I shoot P/P as well as GG and do reaonably well. I do not shoot match so it is just for the fun of shooting.
I like the P/P boolits for smokeless and GG for BP
GG I use the Lyman 446110 boolit sized to .446 and do quite well.
P/P I use the Lyman 439186 boolit and P/P to .449 and it to shoots quite well with smokeless.

Hope it helps some as what I post is more often taken as junk than usefull!!

beekeeper

water bug
06-12-2012, 09:59 AM
Beekeeper and others : Thank you for the useful information. I REALLY Want to buy a model 71 Mauser, in good shoot able condition. Does anyone have one for sale or ideas? none on Gun broker. WB

Chicken Thief
06-12-2012, 12:24 PM
Waterbug,
I shoot several 71/84's in various configurations.
My bores (all of them) slug 446 lan, and 449 Groove.
I shoot BP and smokeless as the rifle is designed to do both.Only one I know of that is but I only shoot Mausers!
I shoot P/P as well as GG and do reaonably well. I do not shoot match so it is just for the fun of shooting.
I like the P/P boolits for smokeless and GG for BP
GG I use the Lyman 446110 boolit sized to .446 and do quite well.
P/P I use the Lyman 439186 boolit and P/P to .449 and it to shoots quite well with smokeless.

Hope it helps some as what I post is more often taken as junk than usefull!!

beekeeper

Care to elaborate?
The rifle was "given" in design from the government and only the action was "designed" by the Mausers. The first 30000 barrels was from French Chassepot needlefire rifles captured in the French-Preusian war of 69-70.
The 71/84 is nothing but a 71 with a Kropatchek elevator and a tube magazine.

The first army in the world to use a smokeless was the French with the 8mm Lebel in 1886.
The germans caught up and designed the 88 commision rifle for smokeless.

In 84 smokeless use was but a wet dream. It existed but controlling burn rate was not achieved yet, so it was only good for blowing stuff up.

looseprojectile
06-12-2012, 03:01 PM
I will chime in here to further confuse the issue of cartridges for the 71/84 and the 1871 rifles.
I shoot the 71/84 with the RCBS .446" boolit. This boolit has a flat point so it can be loaded into the tube magazine of the 71/84 without danger of detonation of the cartridges in the magazine.
I don't have any 1871 single shot rifles but I understand that they use an entirely different cartridge than the 71/84 repeater. I do however have some of the original 1871 cartridges with round noses.
I have the RCBS 43 Spanish boolit mould and I patch it up to .446" from its as cast diameter of .439" to fit the groove dimension of the 71/84. This boolit is also a flat point. I do get somewhat better accuracy with the paper patched boolits than I do with the .446" greasers.
If you intend to load for both guns you will have to use different expander plugs and maybe even different sizing dies.
I have some boxes of Canadian Dominion/CIL ammunition that are marked for 43 Mauser and 43 Spanish guns. How does that work? These shoot rather well in my gun.
The original cartridges for the model 71 I have are plain lead with a round nose and the original cartridges for the 71/84 are paper patched with flat points.

Life is good

Beekeeper
06-12-2012, 04:12 PM
Like I said Water Bug,
Not much I say here carries any water.
Excess 650,
I have 2 (two) 43 71/84 mausers I built from scratch and 2 (two) Martini Mausers in 43 Mauser that I built from scratch.
The barrel diameters are as stated above.
.446 Lan
.449 Groove.
Sorry if your does not meet the specs that mine do but that is what they are.

Chicken Thief,
The only thing I know about 43 Mausers is what I have read in an article in the rifleman mag.
So I will bow to your more in depth knowledge of them.
I do know that I shoot one of mine with smokeless and the other with BP . That is all I know on the subject.
So as usual I have offended everyone so I will stop.



beekeeper

water bug
06-12-2012, 06:05 PM
Thank you all , and particularly Bee Keeper for your posts and information. It is all educational.
Beekeeper, I would be very interested in more details about the .43 Mauser rifles you built. Can I E-Mail you directly for that discussion? I have an itch to build a rifle for the .43 Mauser cartridge. Fi OK with you, How can I E-Mail you directly. I am in NY State.

Beekeeper
06-12-2012, 06:45 PM
I Think not Water Bug.
As you have seen I know nothing about them so maybe you should "Ask The Experts" there seems to be plenty of them.


beekeeper

leadman
06-12-2012, 08:56 PM
I have a 71 Mauser that I use two boolits in. One is the .446" Lyman and the other is the Lee 300gr. 45 caliber pistol boolit. I gas check it and size to .450". My bore is a little large with the throat larger. I can seat an 1/8" of the Lyman boolit in the 43 Mauser case and it does not touch the rifling.
I usually use 20grs of 2400 with 3grs. of polyfil as a filler. The Lee boolit usually shoots 2 to 3" groups at 100 yards.
The Lee die set for the 43 Mauser is not designed very well. The shoulder is in the wrong spot and there is no neck expander. It comes with an expander like one would use for say a 30-06 with jacketed bullets. I had a custom plug made for the Lee universal flaring tool so now I can expand the case mouths to the proper size.

I also had to build up the front sight blade with JB Weld so I could hit a 100 yard bull.

Beekeeper
06-12-2012, 09:12 PM
They are 100% original. Took me 2 years to find the parts and another 2 years to make them.


beekeeper

JMtoolman
06-12-2012, 09:28 PM
Sorry for the typo, both of mine take .447 diameter bullets. I have found that if you can thumb seat a paper patched bullet in the mouth of the cases, no sizeing is needed. Although you do have to crimp the bullets in the neck to keep them from being pushed into the case by the magazine spring. The toolman.

water bug
06-13-2012, 06:38 AM
Bee Keeper, I respect your not wanting to E-Mail directly. I am Sure you know a LOT more than I do. Would you be willing to tell me a few sources of the Mauser 71/84 parts you accumulated, so I can try to do the same, and build a rifle or two? Other than Gun broker and auction arms. Also what did you have to do to MAKE them? WB

water bug
06-13-2012, 08:39 AM
Looseprojectile or any one else that can say, Does the model 71 Mauser take an entirely different cartridge than the 71/84.... can any one confirm ? I thought the 71 and 71/84 used the same 11.15 X 60R cartridge also known as .43 Mauser? Can any one clarify this? WB

Beekeeper
06-13-2012, 10:18 AM
Contact Old Western Scrounger (their on the web) and give them the part numbers ( use the Numrich drawing numbers).
They had all the parts I wanted and are reasonably priced ( or were).
They are the only supplier of 71/84 parts I know of other than someone in North Dakota but they are phone only no internet ( Jack First I think it is)


beekeeper

Chicken Thief
06-13-2012, 04:07 PM
@Beekeeper
Dont be a curmudgeon mate!
The cartridge can be loaded with smokeless, but as i stated it was not developed for it.
Your experince is by far more practical than mine (only BP) so please do share your results.
Just because i'm an idiot it dont mean you have to act like one?

water bug
06-13-2012, 07:18 PM
Bee keeper,

The Old western scrounger does have some of a 17/84. What did you do to find a bolt? YOU ARE A VERY BIG HELP> THANKS> WB

Beekeeper
06-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Contact them via e-mail as they do not always list all of the parts they have on hand.
Better yet call them.I did and got great service.

Bolts may no longer be available as it has been 3 or more years since I went hunting for parts and they were getting scarce then.


beekeeper

water bug
06-14-2012, 07:14 AM
Beekeeper, Thanks. I did not see your answer. I did send them a message. Will see if they have any bolts. WB