will the bomb squad come to your house

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

an unfortunate incident suspected suicide lead to a story that makes me wonder what this guy could have possibly had , or if it was really necessary to do anything more than spread on the lawn and turn on the sprinkler

i am going to assume most of what they found was black powder

18 pounds does not seem like very much powder

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/crime_and_courts/rock-county-death-investigation-leads-to-cache-of-explosive-powder/article_f1d254c8-aa54-11e1-b9ec-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/news/wisconsin/stateline-area-news-in-brief/article_089a96b8-aa67-11e1-bfe7-0019bb2963f4.html

i heard the story on the local new this morning, if the bomb squad said it needed to be done , i won't question them , but i wonder if it was more for training i have known a few people in public service that have made things into perhaps more than they were so they got to play.

how many of you have well more than 18 pounds , perhaps we should let our families know what to do with all that powder should we pass , like call Fred chuck , and tom and tell them to come pick it up and have fun shooting it up.

[frkelly74]

Makes me want to shoot more and quit buying for a while. Why should they have all the fun?

[bob208]

it was a training excersize. along with making them seem important more money in the budget.

[RP]

Well I notice they set six charges to explode 18 lbs of very dangerous material that was to dangerous to transport far. I wonder how loud it would have been if they set six charges to blow up a 18 lbs of lets say flour.

[Hamish]

"or if it was really necessary to do anything more than spread on the lawn and turn on the sprinkler"

How many people who have'nt spent a little time on CB have actually even *heard* of using powder for fertilizer?

Plus, the idea that they would do *anything* other than "by the book"? Don't think so. How many of the cops have even handled components?

[cheese1566]

Being in the LE profession for over 10 years and handling gunpowder for over 25 years...I would have probably done the same thing, call technicians in.

NONE of us were there to cast judgment on what was actually found. The article states it was for the manufacturer of commercial style fireworks in his basement.
Were the explosives homemade or commercially bought (which i doubt)?

I don't think we are talking about off the shelf blackpowder and gunpowder that we use for reloading.

Can you blame them for being cautious and wanting to go home to their families at the end of the day?

Plus, I have had the honor of watching the EOD guys from Ellsworth AFB come up to our department to destroy items we had in our PD armory from the 50's and 60's. Other occassions, they destroyed pipe bombs and possible hand grenades that Officers came across in patrol. The EOD guys used plenty of C4 to make sure it went boom and didn't have to do it twice.

I highly respect any person that is willing to suit up and risk his hands, arms, and legs that would make most men pee their pants.

[waksupi]

If he had a few pounds of something like potassium chlorate, ya, I'd let someone else move it, too!

[firefly1957]

IF it was chlorates per chlorates and powdered Al. it was a good move that stuff will kill a lawn seems a while ago in Kaliforia them burned a whole house over something similar.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

i said i won't question them

there may have been other nasties , besides just black powder , i get following procedure when anything is in question

but i know a few volunteer firemen who have found a reason to play with the equipment or turn something mole hill-ish into a good training exercise. it depends how slow the day is.

and for Milton township that's probably the most interesting thing going to happen all year

as a cop acquaintance who carries the keys to most every business in the small town he cops for , puts it he will have the key half in the door lock to open it and the fire boys will kick it in any way
to which the firemen acquaintances explained that was half the fun.

[SciFiJim]

I have already told my wife that when I die she is to destroy my smelting pot and muffin tin ingot pans to keep them from being used for food again. I guess I need to write an instruction sheet for the powder and components as well. I have well over 18 lbs of powder and a sizable store of primers.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

they always think it's funny until you cap one...

Firemen are some of the biggest ******** extant. They are on duty here for 24 hours, and off 48.
Four of them got a week off for taking a fire truck to a local grocery store about six miles from the station to get some Chicken Tenders and Jo-Jo's about four hours after they came on duty. The mayor drove by and found them in the parking lot. Their union grievance was based on the notion that once they arrived they could not leave to shop. The city asked them why they did not grocery shop on the way to work. Their response: "we don't get paid to shop on the way to work, and we get tired of our own cooking."

The city issued a new ordnance outlawing the practice the following week.

The city contract was up three years ago, fire and police. The policemen agreed to a 3% pay cut. It was either that or lay four officers off. The fireman, faced with the same offer, voted to let four of their fellow firemen get laid off instead. The brotherhood in action...

Rich

[Bret4207]

Once again, the broad brush strikes. Maybe folks could start wording things a bit different instead of painting an entire profession (and the volunteers) as nasty people.

BTW- obscenities or masked obscenities are not allowed on this forum.

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

our volunteer firemen are great , some of them are friends of mine , not nasty at all , well some are a bit crude in the humor department but that really had nothing to do with their profession.

will they make a training situation out of your car after they have you out of it and on the way to the hospital , that is possible.

will they kick in your door while the cop stand there with the key , possibly

but they will remain your best choice to get the fire out , get you to safety , or help you out.

and i completely understand calling in the specialists rather than being wrong

our volunteer department doesn't sleep at the fire station their pagers go of and they drive to the station , when their pagers go off so does the siren in town letting everyone know fire and to look out for the firemen driving to the fire station with their hazards and red lights on

in Madison and Fitchburg , the firemen shop on duty all the time they take a command vehicle and the fire truck park in the fire lane right in front of the store and everyone waits in the truck while 2 people go in and shop if they get a call , the shoppers push the cart up to the service counter on their way out the door the store employee puts the cart in the cooler. and the 2 shoppers hop on and go.

i have even watched the Madison fire department guys set up the ladder truck in the grocery parking lot while waiting for their groceries and do training on the set up of the booms and raising and lowering the ladder


if they are already on the truck and the store is in their fire district i see no reason why not shop , their job is a lot of hurry up and wait.

[blackthorn]

If I lived in a town that elected officials did that to police or firefighters I would go to the next council meeting and ask what kind of perks those officials got on the taxpayers dime! I would also keep an eye on them and if I saw one of them using city resources (i.e. city vechical) in off hours etc. it would generate a pointed 'letter to the editor' of the local rag.

In terms of the pay cut--did your city fathers cut their pay? If not--why not?

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

i intended this thread as a way to stir thought about having a plan to get your powder and components and as Scifijim pointed out your pot and tins into safe hands , rather than see the bomb squad blow your stash of powder when no one know what it is or how to deal with it


i was a was a recipient of a pound of black, 3fg Goex that my grand father had held onto for 15 years after my uncles passing in a motorcycle accident back in 1991 , I was the first person who knew what to do with it even if it was just to safely dispose of it , he knew to keep it sealed and he kept it in his basement near the paint cans for all those years when I started shooting black he went and got the can and gave it to me.

some of you have friends that reload , that can help your family divide up and get a fair price for your components and equipment , but if you haven't got that some simple instructions may save your family a lot of worry and hassle.

like pour the powder on the lawn water well. Remember me fondly when your mowing the lawn 3 times a week.

the point is , as my wife pointed out to one of the kids last night when he suggested a cruel fate to a rifle of mine , that right after her and them , it was my guns , and that put the guns higher on my list than the dog most days
we spend our lives collecting , caring for , enjoying , loading for , and shooting our guns . we know things about them , quirks , loads , and such that no one else knows.
I know they are inanimate objects , but if our care of them or at least to limit the stress on our families we should have a plan for when we are gone

it will be sad enough that our work product will be lost , our collection needent be also


maybe it is just me but i get a sick feeling any time years and years of a persons work is flushed needlessly - working in I.T. I regularly see security conscious I.T. departments delete a persons hard drive the day they are fired , laid of , or leave for another job , it is sad enough that that person probably never got to train anyone else on what they did , but to destroy their notes , schedules , test routines , and application configuration. it generates many hours of work in most cases trying to re create what was already done guessing many times when the information could have been easily recovered form that hard drive had they not deleted it in haste.

[garbear]

Glad to see those that slam volunteer fire fighters. I volunteer for my local fire department. I make all training offered through out the year besides training at the fire house twice a month. I made 90% of our fires last year. Many of those fires require me to leave work thus cutting short my shift taking money out of our check or stay up all night to get to work in time to pull my 12 hour shift.

We have a Christmas party at the local Lions Club bulding we do pot luck and we get a t-shirt and a sweat shirt for our pay. I'll say this I do everything to make sure I get home to my wife and 7 children.

Garbear

[garym1a2]

Having a brother that's been a paid firefighter for over 15 years a volunteer for many years before that I think he earns his pay when hes went into a house on fire and only recover bodies, or worked an industral explosion or when on resue work many nights hauling people to the hospitial just cause they have no insurance. They pay for their own meals when on duty and if the call goes in during dinners its back to work. Being a firefighter in a high crime city is not a cake walk.
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Glad to see those that slam volunteer fire fighters. I volunteer for my local fire department. I make all training offered through out the year besides training at the fire house twice a month. I made 90% of our fires last year. Many of those fires require me to leave work thus cutting short my shift taking money out of our check or stay up all night to get to work in time to pull my 12 hour shift.

We have a Christmas party at the local Lions Club bulding we do pot luck and we get a t-shirt and a sweat shirt for our pay. I'll say this I do everything to make sure I get home to my wife and 7 children.

Garbear

[Gibson]

BTW- obscenities or masked obscenities are not allowed on this forum.

Which one is this? :p

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/images_acps/misc/vbulletin3_logo_acps.gif

[Lloyd Smale]

Most of the fire depts up here are voluntary units. Even with the ones that do it for a living i cant imagine someone jumping down there throat for going shopping while on duty. there just as available with a truck in the parking lot of a store and a radio on there belt as they are at the firehouse.

[Brasso]

I was an Army EOD Tech for over 13 years. We responded to civilian PD for everything from IED's to Grampa's WW1 souveneir grenade. Police "usually" know absolutely zilch about milirary ordnance and commercial explosives. I would rather get up at 2:00 AM and drive 50 miles than to have some officer maimed or killed because of trying to handle the situation himself. Secure the area and call the "experts". Everyone goes home in one piece.

Sam

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

which one is this? :p

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/images_acps/misc/vbulletin3_logo_acps.gif

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[Gibson]

My post was asking in which category the picture I cited best fit.

"obscenities" or "masked obscenities"

Just a joke,amigo. It was to make folks think about it.

[Reload3006]

I doubt that the Bomb squad could beat my kids and step kids to my reloading supply. But for those who haven't thought about it. I think it would be a good idea to talk to your family and see who would use it and tell everyone how to dispose of it.

[firefly1957]

Smokeless powder is not to be put on the lawn it will not break down when watered it all has Nitrocellulose which is the base for older automotive paint. If you doubt this put a little smokeless powder in a container cover with water shake stir and sit to dry in the sun when dry light it and watch how it burns.

Now I have bought reloading equipment at yard/estate sales and have seen powders mixed to make a can full this as we know is very very bad. I took one can it was free with a Mec 400 shot shell loader the can was filled to the top AL-7 can there were AL powders and red dot and green dot all mixed and more . I poured the contents on the ground and put a sting of masking tape to it a stood back. I knew it would flare up but was shocked at the energy release . It started slow then went poof sending a burning ball of fire in the air the blast of heat killed the grass in a circle over 8 feet across!

[TCLouis]

Don't think one will find a person with any knowledge using volatile and powder in the same sentence.

Set 6 charges, and they could be heard nearby, no wonder detonation charges alone would produce a lot of noise.

Fireworks production, NOT reloading jumps off the page for me.