PDA

View Full Version : American Old West Gunman/Pistoleer



Gibson
05-28-2012, 12:18 AM
Hey guys, I keep up with this place consistently and thought maybe you guys may be interested in this thread. It is my thread and, of course deals with the topic you see in the title.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=149212

missionary5155
05-28-2012, 03:57 AM
Good morning
A sad commentary on the lives of numerous men who obviously could have served their country well or at least a community.
Mike in Peru

1Shirt
05-28-2012, 08:59 AM
History is what history is! Can't change it, but hopefully learn from it.
1Shirt!

Gibson
05-28-2012, 11:54 AM
Good morning
A sad commentary on the lives of numerous men who obviously could have served their country well or at least a community.
Mike in Peru

Did you actually read the through the thread? The theme is to dispel some of the **** that has been shoveled on the old time gunman.

Did you read about Commodore Perry Owens? FAMOUS Arizona Sheriff. . .

I actually find humanity in the toughness they displayed not the vessel overall but the trait per se. Never mind.

God bless
Jay in Hardin

MtGun44
05-28-2012, 08:46 PM
I used to work with a Younger, he was a grand nephew or great grandnephew of Cole.
Acknowledged the family link but said he didn't know much about him. IIRC, Cole
reformed in prison, ran a prison newspaper and lived a normal life after getting out,
staying inside the law.

Have you heard about the Dalton gang and the Coffeville raid? The three Dalton brothers
and some more men in their gang decided to rob two banks in Coffeeville, KS at
the same time. Both banks open onto the same square (all the buildings are
just as they were then). The one bank was triangular and narrowed to the
front that was on the square, and had big picture windows. From across the
street, at a hardware store on one corner of the square, somebody noticed
the holdup going on because they could see through the windows. They hardware
store manager started handing out Winchesters and a box of cartridges to
customers. One man took a .38-55 Win 94 upstairs and found a spot at a
window. He, and others, shot them down when they came out. I have been there
for a reinactment, in the exact locations and it was sure easy pickings for the
guy in the window with a rifle. Maybe 35 yds, little cover running along the
side of the bank towards their horses tied in the alley in back. One
Dalton brother (Bob IIRC, this is all from memory) survived, shot to pieces,
went to prison and when he came out, moved to Califonia and be came
a real estate agent, LOL!

You can visit Coffeeville and see the re-enactment each year - or at least they
were doing it some years ago. Neat to see the actual same buildings and see
how it all went down. The Dalton brothers were skilled riflemen themselves and
killed a few citizens in the fight, they were carrying Winchesters, too. IIRC
Grat had an 1886 Win. when he was cut down against that bank wall.

Bill

Gibson
05-28-2012, 09:43 PM
I used to work with a Younger, he was a grand nephew or great grandnephew of Cole.
Acknowledged the family link but said he didn't know much about him. IIRC, Cole
reformed in prison, ran a prison newspaper and lived a normal life after getting out,
staying inside the law.

Have you heard about the Dalton gang and the Coffeville raid? The three Dalton brothers
and some more men in their gang decided to rob two banks in Coffeeville, KS at
the same time. Both banks open onto the same square (all the buildings are
just as they were then). The one bank was triangular and narrowed to the
front that was on the square, and had big picture windows. From across the
street, at a hardware store on one corner of the square, somebody noticed
the holdup going on because they could see through the windows. They hardware
store manager started handing out Winchesters and a box of cartridges to
customers. One man took a .38-55 Win 94 upstairs and found a spot at a
window. He, and others, shot them down when they came out. I have been there
for a reinactment, in the exact locations and it was sure easy pickings for the
guy in the window with a rifle. Maybe 35 yds, little cover running along the
side of the bank towards their horses tied in the alley in back. One
Dalton brother (Bob IIRC, this is all from memory) survived, shot to pieces,
went to prison and when he came out, moved to Califonia and be came
a real estate agent, LOL!

You can visit Coffeeville and see the re-enactment each year - or at least they
were doing it some years ago. Neat to see the actual same buildings and see
how it all went down. The Dalton brothers were skilled riflemen themselves and
killed a few citizens in the fight, they were carrying Winchesters, too. IIRC
Grat had an 1886 Win. when he was cut down against that bank wall.

Bill

MtGun44:

Thanks for the reply. You know, my uncle went to Coffeyville and visited/toured, he might have even been there for a re-enactment. I have not personally been there but I was just telling the wife we should go, last evening. The reason I mentioned it is because I just put a sketch of the Daltons at Coffeyville last night. Take a look on page 8, a Colt collector reports that it's really like that Bob outfitted the entire gang with new Colt's revolvers (a pair, each) and a new Winchester, each.

Interesting about the townsman wielding a .38-55! I did not know that. Thank you. It was Emmett who survived after taking multiple wounds. Bob killed at least three of the townsmen by himself.

Got interrupted while typing this kids came and got me to kill a copperhead. Yikes!

Best Regards

canyon-ghost
05-28-2012, 09:52 PM
Gibson, have you seen anything on Cap Arrington of the Texas Rangers? Interesting article in the TSRA newletter. There are really some good old stories out there!

Gibson
05-28-2012, 10:07 PM
Gibson, have you seen anything on Cap Arrington of the Texas Rangers? Interesting article in the TSRA newletter. There are really some good old stories out there!

Tough as nails!

I was thinking doing a brief sketch on the King Fisher/Ben Thompson assassination.

But I'm really intrigued by Deacon Jim, want to find all I can on him. Talk about mean! That man seems to have been "as mean as an acre of snakes!

leftiye
05-29-2012, 03:19 PM
I could go for a "gunslingers and lawmens" forum!

waksupi
05-29-2012, 05:44 PM
I bet if you did a Google, you would find one.

MtGun44
05-29-2012, 09:08 PM
Reading that piece on pg. 8 about the Coffeeville raid, jogged my memory. I'm pretty sure
that Kloehr was the man I was thinking about, from the second story window of the store
with the Win 38-55. They had the rifle on the wall in the little museum in town, which is
how I know what caliber it was. Brand new looking, might have retired it after killing several
of the gang members.

Bill

Gibson
05-29-2012, 11:01 PM
Great info! A picture of it would make for nice addition to the sketch.

Tonight it's Ed O'Kelley. Slayer of Bob Ford.

bbs70
05-30-2012, 12:53 PM
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-gunfighters.html

OUTLAWS
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-outlawindex.html


LAWMEN
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-lawmenindex-a.html

Gibson
05-31-2012, 03:31 AM
For anyone interested, there is one on the last night of King Fisher and Thompson up.