Alternative for imr4350?

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
I am down to my last lb. of IMR4350.
I have been using it with wonderful results in the 7MM/06 (145GR. SPEER &162GR, SST HORNADY) & the 7MM MAG.(162gr. SST HORNADY) 3/4" groups consistently.
The 145gr.SPBT in the 7MM/06 matches the velocity of the 162 gr. SST out of the 7MM MAG. so the drop is almost the same out past 500yds.

Also getting good results in the 220 Swift.

But after a few yrs. of loading WC860 &WC820 I find I would rather use a ball powder ( and surplus if possible because of cost). So much easier (consistent) to use & safer (no powder bridging).

Looking at my SPEER #10 & LYMAN 45TH ED. manuals, & other powder sources it looks like the only ball powders that come close are :
145 gr, in 7MM/06
H 380
H450
WW785
162GR in the 7MM MAG.
H870
MRP
WW 780BR
H450

Does anyone have any suggestions , especially in a surplus ball powder that might be a close match velocity wise. You see I like to shoot A LOT!:Fire::Fire:

[9.3X62AL]

WW-760 might work for you. I've used it with 75 grain J-words in 243 Win and gotten SUPERB accuracy and very respectable velocities (3425-3450 FPS).

[Lloyd Smale]

H414 is real close to 4350.

[Reload3006]

+1 H414 is almost identical to IMR4350 in burn and performance characteristics.

[Larry Gibson]

You might want to try AA4350. It is a much shorter kernaled extruded powder than the IMR.......kind of like H4831SC compared to original 4831. I use
AA4350 a lot and it is very consistent from my 55 Lyman powder throwers and absolutely no bridging problems. It also ignites easily and has given me some very consistent ballistcs with cast an jacketed bullets. Accuracy in every cartridge I've used it in has been excellent to outstanding. Doubt I'll ever buy another lb of IMR4350........

Larry Gibson

[fishnbob]

I have used Accurate 3100 in conjunction with 4350 in my .270 for years and I don't see any visable difference in accuracy or pressure. I have not chronied it, I just haven't seen the need to yet. I often interchange the different loads and they all go in the same cluster. Of course my ol' .270 shoots everything in the same cloverleaf at 100 yds, from Hornady 110 gr JHP to 135 gr. Nosler Partitions using 4350 or 3100.

[357Mag]

BB -

Howdy !

Surplus " D85 " is ball powder which seems to basically be " ball 4530 "; from what my testing showed ( 6mm and J-words ).

Seems to burn pretty clean, too.

Regards,
357Mag

[telebasher]

Isn't H414 and W760 the same powder?

[9.3X62AL]

Isn't H414 and W760 the same powder?

That seems to be the consensus opinion. The two fuels are real close, at minimum.

[Rico1950]

"Isn't H414 and W760 the same powder?"

Thay are the same, except for the lot to lot variations associated with all powders.

[flounderman]

I have been using wc 852 for almost everything, for years. this lot was supposed to be close to h 414, I believe.

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
THANKS GUYS!
I am about to make a 4 jug powder buy.
Probably 2 jugs of Russian Unique or something comparable (WHAT?) & 1 jug of something replace my IMR4350, & a jug to load the 220 SWIFT (62 gr. J-bullets) with.
Any other guidance you can offer is appreciated.:Fire::Fire:

[frnkeore]

I would suggest WC852, most of it is about IMR 4831 speed. Mine said to use H414 data but was much slower, somewhere between IMR 4831 and H450. Check the primer with a H414 load and work up. See if they have WC852F also. I have both. The WC852F is very close to H380 speed.

Frank

[Lloyd Smale]

where are you guys finding 852, i havent seen any for sale for years.

[frnkeore]

where are you guys finding 852, i havent seen any for sale for years.

I bought mine 10 years ago. I still have a lot and haven't looked lately :(

Frank

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Hodgdon Hybrid 100 V
is very similar to IMR4350,
Like IMR4350 the Hybrid 100 V is extruded, but has rounded edges
and meters much better.
I now use it instead of IMR4350 in 257 Rob for Heavy (120gr.) J-words.
of course it's not a surplus, so it isn't inexpensive.
Jon

[crowbeaner]

For the OP, try H414/WW760. Same powder, same plant, different jugs. I've had very good results for a number (large) of years in several calibers including 7mm/08. They are my go-to powders of choice, and they will load even the WSM calibers.

[geargnasher]

Try the H414/760 in the 7mm/08, but I think you'll find the Hybrid 100V to be much more versatile. Like the difference between Unique and Universal: Similar powders, but the Unique works better in a more diverse range of applications.

Gear

[Hardcast416taylor]

You might want to try AA4350. It is a much shorter kernaled extruded powder than the IMR.......kind of like H4831SC compared to original 4831. I use
AA4350 a lot and it is very consistent from my 55 Lyman powder throwers and absolutely no bridging problems. It also ignites easily and has given me some very consistent ballistcs with cast an jacketed bullets. Accuracy in every cartridge I've used it in has been excellent to outstanding. Doubt I'll ever buy another lb of IMR4350........

Larry Gibson



Having used a "few" 8# totes of each of these powders, I might have an insight or 2 about the using of each. You can`t use same charge weights irregardless what people tell you that they are inter-changable. They have a slightly different burn rate, just as H4350 is another different duck as to burn rate that can`t be inter-changed. I recall working up a "J" load in a `06 using Nosler BT bullets. The IMR powder resulted in a 3 shot 1 hole target with little trial work. The best I could derive with AA powder was an "Irish 3 leaf clover" group using the same componets - but a different amount of powder. Consult an AA powder manual for charge weights then consult another manual for IMR and you`ll see the difference. There is a use for each powder, just not an inter-changable likeness.Robert

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
Right now I am getting real good accuracy, w/ 3 different rifles, w/ 4 different bullets.
With VERY HIGH velocities, & my deer rifle's trajectory matches my elk rifle out to the farthest I would likely ever shoot.
This was achieved after much experimentation, but all with the IMR type log powders.
I had avoided the ball powders due to comments by gun writers that they caused greater bore erosion due to higher burn temp.
I have come to question that statement as ball powders are still here & more popular than ever. Also the military seems to have no problem with ball powders.
I have little experience with ball powders , except WC820 & WC 860 . Both I am VERY pleased with. They are a dream to work with. Just wish I could get better vel. out of WC860 in the '06 case whale maintaining accuracy.
Thus the search .
Would love the powder to be a surplus powder for economy reasons.:Fire::Fire:

[Beau Cassidy]

I am in the process of converting all of my IMR powder use to Hodgdon. Right now I am in the process of working up .30/06 loads and have gotten fabulous results with H4350. My particular lot seems to be about a half a grain slower than the IMR version using similar loads.

Another 2 powders flying under the radar are Ramshot Big Game and Hunter. I bought some of each when I bought a Cooper a few months ago. If you aren't trying these powders you don't know what you are missing. I just ordered 16 lbs of Big Game. It is THAT good. BY FAR the highest velocity and nearly the best groups of anything else in a 150 grain bullet.

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
Is d 85 a surplus powder?
Where can I get it?
Where can I get WC852?:Fire::Fire: