Looking for input on silencer how-to books

[Marlin Junky]

Nevermind

[rockrat]

Whatever you do, don't run afoul of BATFE and risk a vacation with Bubba at Club Fed. Register your tube first, before you start making internals.

[omgb]

I hesitate to even reply to this because in this political climate, one can never be too sure to whom one is speaking, even more so over the net. Making silencers without registering them is a felony; and a pretty big one at that. So, what I'm saying is, if you really want to know, few wise people are going to be willing to assist you out in the open. Sorry about that.

[JeffinNZ]

Firstly you should refer to them as "suppressors".

We use them all the time over here in New Zealand. All prefectly legal here. I have one on my Rem 700 .223 that cuts the noise of full house loads down the rimfire level. Also have one on a .32-20 with a fast twist barrel. Shooting heavy subsonic in this is VERY quiet.

The best designs are the ones I use and sleeve down over the barrel and have an internal muzzle break that diverts most of the blast backwards into the containment can around the barrel and the balance of the blast is caught out front by the baffles as per traditional designs.

Be care o'there though!!!!!

[Larry Gibson]

They are also legal in 30+ states here if the transfer tax is approved and paid. The subject is not taboo as long as it is just a discussion and you don't take a constructive step toward making one without the transfer stamp. What did you want to know about "how to books"?

[redneckdan]

Most of the "how to" books on the market are the "backyard mechanic specials", the kinda people make that are unregistered and end up getting in trouble for. Most people would be best off paying the tax and buying a comercially made one, tolerances are tight and yer talkin class 3A/B fit for thread attachments. Baffles strikes are usually pretty destructive to the can and firearm.

[44man]

I had an article long ago to quiet a shotgun. It was a barrel extension that made the barrel very long. It is perfectly legal. The premise was that all the powder was burned up and the pressure dropped before reaching the end of the barrel. The picture showed a barrel that could knock down birds without firing the gun.
The reason they are not legal is because the liberals think more about a criminals rights then they do about the victims. Americans have no rights until they commit a crime.
If you are rich then you can have some rights after you pay.
If they hung the criminals from every lamp post, then we would not need such stupid laws and one billion lawyers.

[Johnch]

44MAN
Hastings (http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=POEEXEIINQV14CWQNWQSCNQK0BW0EI WE?id=0005577224961a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&QueryText=metro+&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=metro+&noImage=0) makes a barrel extention for shotguns that threads inplace of the choke tube
It reduces the noise a LOT
But it add 1.1 lb to the end of the barrel
I tryed 1 a freingd bought , it would take some getting used to .

Johnch

[Lee]

Usta be a tree just outside the town I grew up in. Legend had it was the town "hanging tree". Never went past there w/o a shiver. Memories of that have mostly kept me out of trouble since then. (speeding tickets not included[smilie=1: )

Sorry, not to hijack the thread, but the "lamp-posts" quote jogged some old memory cells.

Cabelas has the shotgun extension I believe. About $100 if I remember correctly...................Lee:wink:

[Jim]

Several years ago, I checked into the legality/availability of manufactured "signature suppressors". There are quite a few companies that not only manufacture them, they'll thread your rifle barrel and install it for you, guaranteeing accuracy not affected. Prices at the time were running from a few hunnerd to "you're crazy!" levels.
Furthermore, I found out for $200 and a ton of paperwork, you can get a federal permit to own and use one. Your record has to be clean as a pin and your reason for wanting one has to be reasonable and justifyable. E.G., target/recreational shooting on private property adjacent to neigbors.
The "suppressor" will be registered to a given firearm and "shall not" be used or installed on any other firearm. If you want to suppress another firearm, ya' gotta go this process again. Mr. "jackboot" WILL come have a cup of coffee with you and verify your story. They don't issue too many of these permits and they check out all applicants very carefully.
If you think all this is the down side, ask a lawyer or a BATF agent what it'll cost you if you make one and they catch you. Can you say "20 years"?

Please, friend, accept my encouragement to do this right or just forget about it. It ain't worth it.

[Poygan]

Jim,

Some time ago a dealer at a gun show had a Walther P22 with a suppressor. According to him, the suppressor was the registered part and could be attached to another firearm.
I have periodicaly entertained the idea of getting one that could be used on a Ruger Mark I bull bbl and and also a 10-22 with a bull bbl. You said it couldn't be used on another gun....Hmmm. Not that I doubt you but that would kill my idea as to multiple use.

[Larry Gibson]

Jim

"The "suppressor" will be registered to a given firearm and "shall not" be used or installed on any other firearm."

Not quite the case. If the suppressor is detachable and is registered as a suppressor it may be put on any firearm. However if the gun and suppressor are integral and the suppressor is not detachable then it is the gun/suppressor unit (one serial number) that is registered.

Larry Gibson

[Jim]

Larry,
Yeah, like I said, it's been several years since I looked into this. I guess I got my facts wrong since then. Sorry about the incorrect post.

[Larry Gibson]

Jim

That's not a problem. Suppressors is a topic that there is much missinformation bantied about, sometimes it's hard to keep the facts straight. Most often we hear about them being "illegal" and big brother is watching so if we even think about them we are going to prison for 10 years and pay a $10,000 fine. Not so as I mentioned they ar legal in 30+ states. The hard part in many is getting a local sheriff or police chief to sign off on the transfer tax form. In some jurisdictions it is easy (if you have a clean record) but is some it is close to impossible. There are some interesting studies done on suppressors but most "new" information is close hold by the manufacturers.

Larry Gibson

[Sig556r]

Form 1 includes DIY suppressors & handy if you are a machinist or a serious hobbyist.
NFA efiles were turning 2-3weeks according to my SOT when I filed my SBR form 1 before the shutdown. 1.5 months later, still waiting.
My form 4s however were filed Aug/Sep last year so no light at the tunnel end for me.

[Omega]

There are many suppliers of parts to make a great Form 1 silencer (the proper terminology as per Maxim), many of these can rival and beat commercially available ones. Since I refuse to do the "Tax", I stay away from them. But I do have a 55gl foam lined barrel I shoot through to reduce the noise where I shoot.

Pic from the net. Legal because it does not attach to a weapon.
234542

[M-Tecs]

There are many suppliers of parts to make a great Form 1 silencer (the proper terminology as per Maxim), many of these can rival and beat commercially available ones. Since I refuse to do the "Tax", I stay away from them. But I do have a 55gl foam lined barrel I shoot through to reduce the noise where I shoot.

Pic from the net. Legal because it does not attach to a weapon.
234542

Thanks for the picture

[lefty o]

absolutely nothing wrong with discussing silencer design. just make sure your tax stamp is in your hands before you start making chips. https://youtu.be/trzL_5aDsuI

[BigEyeBob]

I had an article long ago to quiet a shotgun. It was a barrel extension that made the barrel very long. It is perfectly legal. The premise was that all the powder was burned up and the pressure dropped before reaching the end of the barrel. The picture showed a barrel that could knock down birds without firing the gun.
The reason they are not legal is because the liberals think more about a criminals rights then they do about the victims. Americans have no rights until they commit a crime.
If you are rich then you can have some rights after you pay.
If they hung the criminals from every lamp post, then we would not need such stupid laws and one billion lawyers.

Sounds very much like Australia .If they hung the crims here there would be no politicians Suppressors are totally outlawed here .You can apply for a permit to buy one but very rarely get approval .

[BigEyeBob]

Nevermind

The book I know of "Silencers ,Snipers and Assassins , J.David Truby
ISBN 0-87364-012-8 .Paladin Press
Reasonably informative ,lots of drawings ,of different types of designs .

[jmorris]

I have made a number of them. I filed form 1’s on a trust because I didn’t have to ask permission from local LEO but the laws changed a few years ago. That took out the trust route but made it easier to get an approval back as an individual. The “silencer”, at the NFA branch calls it, is the “Type of firearm to be built” per 4. b., on your approved form 1 and as long as you didn’t make it permanently attached to a barrel you can move it from one gun to another.

I don’t know of any good books or what tools you have at your disposal. The way I made them calls for a lathe, mill and TIG welder but there are easier methods for sure.

You may poke around http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/index.php.

[shortlegs]

AndyB1, what brand are the last 2 stocks?

[M-Tecs]

AndyB1, what brand are the last 2 stocks?

https://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-old-models/t3-sporter

[Kuffar]

There are many suppliers of parts to make a great Form 1 silencer (the proper terminology as per Maxim), many of these can rival and beat commercially available ones. Since I refuse to do the "Tax", I stay away from them. But I do have a 55gl foam lined barrel I shoot through to reduce the noise where I shoot.

Pic from the net. Legal because it does not attach to a weapon.
234542

I saw a guy, on YouTube, that was shooting through some tires, that he had standing up, and banded, like your diagram. It suppressed quite a bit of the noise, especially with pistols. It got interesting when he started shooting larger rifles though. The tires had some standing water, in the bottom, and I think he was shooting a .50. He took a bath.

[Texas by God]

Remember the 2 liter Coke bottle threaded 1911 bushings?

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[Omega]

I saw a guy, on YouTube, that was shooting through some tires, that he had standing up, and banded, like your diagram. It suppressed quite a bit of the noise, especially with pistols. It got interesting when he started shooting larger rifles though. The tires had some standing water, in the bottom, and I think he was shooting a .50. He took a bath.Same principle, but it would work better if you filled the dead space with foam or other materials to help absorb the report. I used the barrel so I can close it back up to keep the critters and weather out. The plastic barrels with the removable lids work best, metal ones work but heavier to position.

[leebuilder]

Barrels lined with foam mattresse materials works, the tires works the best. Longer the better, smaller the exit hole the better, when you use tires drill big holes in the bottom to let the water drain out, cool effect if you dont, like washing your face in a hurricane.
Be safe

[M-Tecs]

If you use foam be aware of the fire hazard. A buddy caught his on fire and just about lost his shop. We think unburnt powder built up and ignited.

[leebuilder]

Some stuff is as flammable as kindling. I should of said test it.

[M-Tecs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=MA2OO5yld28

[Kuffar]

I was talking to a buddy, the other day. He told me, and I haven't corroborated this story, that that Occasio-Cortez nightmare, may actually have one good idea. She has threatened to vote FOR, the law, allowing suppressors. It's good for people's ears.
If that would pass, you could legally own one, without the $200.00 government brib...er...tax stamp.

[Moonie]

The OP hasn't been on the website since 2015...

[Traffer]

I just wanted to throw my two cents about silencers being regulated. WHY do we put up with this? We should all write our congressmen, put pressure on the NRA etc.
When I was a kid before Kennedy was shot. We made all kinds of silencers. STUPID EASY.
For a 22 rimfire...Cut a piece of hose that fits over the barrel and jam it on there. That's how easy it is. If you want to get fancy. Drill a bunch of holes in a piece of plastic or rubber tubing that will slip fit tight on the barrel, Lightly wrap some fiberglass insulation around it and wrap duck tape around that to hold it on there. Much of the gas goes into the holes and into the insulation. You might think this is hick stupid but if you try it you will see...works very well.
Silencers are so simple you don't need any formal designs ..no books etc. Just capture as much gas as you can (or can handle) and vent it into some fire proof insulation or a chamber that will allow the gas to accumulate expand and gradually (compared to the blast of the gun) let the gas back out.
So I can go to jail for sticking a piece of garden hose on the end of a 22 barrel? These laws so aggravate me.
...Now where did I put that plutonium...?

[jmorris]

The OP hasn't been on the website since 2015...

Well, I guess we can’t say Sig doesn’t know how to use the search function, 12 years +/-...

[Wansingct]

The best resources I found when I was making my form 1 suppressors was silencertalk.com and form1suppressors.boards.net. Very good folks and we’ll worth checking out. If you’re the “build my own stuff just because” kind of guy or have your own metal working machines, it’s well worth checking out.

For the process, figure your plans, FILE YOUR FORMS, and THEN build and you’re fine. It’s not hard and really you can buy everything but the hole-punched baffles which you’ll need a drill press, x-y press vise and the right bits for, but it’s not hard.

I’ve got a second form 1 I’ve had approved for over two years just hanging out until I’m ready to build my .223 can. Wanted to make sure I had the paperwork approved in case Hillary got elected.