Ebay qgain

[ron brooks]

Here is another mold going for what I think is a high price. There must be quite a collectors market for these.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320094180209&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=011

Ron

[PatMarlin]

Ebay is fickle.

I've had molds not sell, then sell for big bucks. The secrete is to hold out and relist it. There is no ryme or reason, just got to get the right dood on there... :roll:

[dale clawson]

I agree Pat, I've had items not reach my reserve, then bring far more when relisted. Dale

[floodgate]

A couple of us DID enter the bidding on this mould; in our defense, I have to say that - as collectors as well as casters - it was a chance to obtain one of the few "Armory" gang moulds (originally introduced around 1893 by Ideal's founder, John Barlow as part of a set of tools for military and National Guard use) made after Lyman's acquisition of the Ideal line in the mid-1920s: and - to boot - in a useful caliber (the Loverin 311467) and in near-perfect condition. We both placed bids in the mid-$200's based on our respective carefully-calculated evaluations of its value to us; in my case, I have to admit that - fired up by an infusion of disposable bucks from the IRS Savings Bank - I made one last grab at it as it passed $300, a good example of the "bidding fever" that can take hold of any of us however rationally we try to behave. It ended up at $405. I would have regretted it even more, though, if I had not at least made a try at it. Thanks, Bruce B, for cueing me about it.

floodgate

[PatMarlin]

Is any 8 holer Ideal a "Collectalble Gang Mold"?

I knew where one was in a hawk shop. May still be there.

[onceabull]

Doug: I can't say that it was great surprise to see that particular mould break over $400.. maybe that price will bring a few more to market !! --- Pat M: If I knew of an 8c Lyman in a hock shop,I'd already be there, but I'd guess that most of those found will NOT BE any of the Mr.Loverins designs.:) All: Isn't the new e-Bay "hide the shills" plan a treat !! :twisted: Onceabull

[ron brooks]

Hey, I bid on it too, early on, then I went bac a day ago and thought, noooo way, too much more I would rather spend that much money on.

Ron

[klw]

Here is another mold going for what I think is a high price. There must be quite a collectors market for these.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320094180209&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=011

Ron

My maximum bid on this was $400.01. So I came in second. But there was a reason for that bid. There is nothing rare or unusual about Ideal Armory moulds. Normally I would not bid over $200. BUT this was in near perfect condition. All the years I've been watching Ideal Armory moulds on e-bay I've never seen one this good before. So it was worth the money IF you collect mould blocks. It was, in my opinion, not worth the money if you just wanted a gang mould.

There have been two moulds on e-bay that I made serious bids on, this one and a ten cavity SAECO. Never knew that SAECO ever made a 10-cavity mould but this one was definitely real. Wish I had bid higher on that thing.

And if a nine cavity Ideal Armory mould ever comes up I'll bid even high.

Other rare moulds would be any of the larger Cramers (I have samples of all of those) or a ten cavity Hall. Was high bidder on the only one of those I ever saw on e-bay but the guy was in alaska and didn't package it properly. When it arrived it was all broken up.

There are not many mould block collectors but I've been one for decades. This particular Ideal Armory mould was worth the money. And I seriously considered going up to $500.

[ron brooks]

klw,

fair enough. What something is worth is what you are willing to pay for it. Heck, I didn't even know that it was all that rare, and honestly my first thought was, "I'll bet that mold would get heavy fast". :-)

Ron

[onceabull]

klw: Was the 10c Saeco you saw put together like the 10c Cramers were ??? Onceabull

[Buckshot]

klw,

Heck, I didn't even know that it was all that rare, and honestly my first thought was, "I'll bet that mold would get heavy fast". :-)

Ron

...............And you would have been right!

.............Buckshot

[klw]

klw: Was the 10c Saeco you saw put together like the 10c Cramers were ??? Onceabull

No. Only the 10-cavity Cramers and the 10-cavity Halls were made in three pieces. This 10-cavity SAECO was like their now discontinued 8-cavity moulds.

[quasi]

klw , can I call you Ken? I have always enjoyed your writings in Gun Digest and Handloaders Digest. Have you stopped writing?

[klw]

klw , can I call you Ken? I have always enjoyed your writings in Gun Digest and Handloaders Digest. Have you stopped writing?

Never really intended to stop but most of my stuff was based on small experiments that I did. In 1986 I started a project that just grew without limit. Never really noticed that I was sinking so much effort into that that I stopped writing. I'm still working on that, an encyclopedia of bullet casting rates. To date I've got data on well over 500 moulds and four alloys. Coming up on having cast 10 tons of bullets, 572776 bullets so far.

When I retired 10 years ago now I started writing again but not with anything like the previous volume. Decades ago 40 articles a year was my maximum production. Now I've done four articles in 10 years. Retirement has just been such unlimited fun that I don't get around to it much.

Then too most of the topics I loved are not popular anymore, progressive reloader history and bullet casting. Neither has the following that it use to.

Of course most people confuse me with Ken Waters as we both wrote for the same magazines at the same time. I'll never get out of his shadow.

Ken

[montana_charlie]

A couple of us DID enter the bidding on this mould; in our defense, I have to say that -
When I get to wanting anything...from a tractor cab to a wristwatch...I look at eBay first. Sometimes, I don't need to go further.
I find it sad that anyone would feel a need to 'defend' his decision (before this membership) to bid on an eBay item.
CM

[hivoltfl]

I didnt bid on it, but ya gotta admit that was one fine looking mold.

Rick

[georgewxxx]

That one went cheap compared to this .22 mould.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marlin-Ideal-22-Express-mold-90-years-old-but-NIB_W0QQitemZ160097683307QQcategoryZ71118QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

[klw]

That one went cheap compared to this .22 mould.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marlin-Ideal-22-Express-mold-90-years-old-but-NIB_W0QQitemZ160097683307QQcategoryZ71118QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

I know why the Ideal Armory gang mould was worth money but I have no idea why this one was.

Of course there are at least two things that drive up the price. Occasionally, rarely I think, you have two mould block collectors both of whom want a mould. That can get expensive. But more likely you have someone who just doesn't know what something is worth and who is willing to spend a lot. Finally I think that rarely there is someone with a vintage rifle that wants matching vintage accessories.

Ken

[madcaster]

And of course you can see the seller's pictures of the Cramer mould I have donated to the site benifit auction here at EBay Item #130067036662.

[klw]

And of course you can see the seller's pictures of the Cramer mould I have donated to the site benifit auction here at EBay Item #130067036662.

Wonder how I missed that. Surprised at how low the winning price was. That was one in good condition for a Cramer and they usually top $200 easily. 16H?

Ken

[madcaster]

Either a 146 or 148 grain wadcutter...Reference is CastPics.net

[Nueces]

Ken,

I always enjoyed your stuff, too. Well researched and written, and scientific. Certainly, no one else addressed your subjects, other than in passing, not even Ken Waters. (Is his eminence the reason for your using your middle initial? :mrgreen: )

I do hope you like hanging out on this board, because I think a lot of us will greatly enjoy hearing your thoughts.

Welcome! From another frabjously-tickled-to-be-retired booliteer,

Mark

Never really intended to stop but most of my stuff was based on small experiments that I did. In 1986 I started a project that just grew without limit. Never really noticed that I was sinking so much effort into that that I stopped writing. I'm still working on that, an encyclopedia of bullet casting rates. To date I've got data on well over 500 moulds and four alloys. Coming up on having cast 10 tons of bullets, 572776 bullets so far.

When I retired 10 years ago now I started writing again but not with anything like the previous volume. Decades ago 40 articles a year was my maximum production. Now I've done four articles in 10 years. Retirement has just been such unlimited fun that I don't get around to it much.

Then too most of the topics I loved are not popular anymore, progressive reloader history and bullet casting. Neither has the following that it use to.

Of course most people confuse me with Ken Waters as we both wrote for the same magazines at the same time. I'll never get out of his shadow.

Ken

[klw]

Ken,

I always enjoyed your stuff, too. Well researched and written, and scientific. Certainly, no one else addressed your subjects, other than in passing, not even Ken Waters. (Is his eminence the reason for your using your middle initial? :mrgreen: )

I do hope you like hanging out on this board, because I think a lot of us will greatly enjoy hearing your thoughts.

Welcome! From another frabjously-tickled-to-be-retired booliteer,

Mark

Way back in grade school (which was a VERY long time ago for me) they made a very big point of always using a very formal version of your name. Lord knows why but that point stuck. I've have always signed my name Kenneth L. Walters. I guess you can teach a little kid anything.

When I started writing, the more famous writer signed his name Kenneth Waters, if I remember correctly. When we were both popular with the same publishers the similarity in names confused most readers and, I think, frustrated Waters. He never said that to me in so many words but I'm pretty sure it annoyed him and I can well see why it might. Anyway he changed his name to minimize the confusion. He went from Kenneth Waters to Ken Waters. He is, of course, the far more important of the two of us. And he deserves to be. I've met him. Seemed like a nice fellow.

Kind of wonder if he is still around. I'm getting old and he was much older than I am. Hope he is alive, healthy and enjoying life.

[PatMarlin]

I know how that goes.

I worked in the music business for years as Pat Green, but then in recent years the "Pat Green" country western dood who toured with Wille Nelson came along, and all of my engineering credits, and playing credits on records I worked on, listed with internet companies like CD Now, etc. listed him.

I guess Wille had more pull.. :mrgreen:

[omgb]

Ken, are you the Walters guy who cranks out all of those veggie wads for BPCR? Or, are you the nice gentleman whith whom I've corresponded over on the Star members site? Or, none of the above?

[klw]

Ken, are you the Walters guy who cranks out all of those veggie wads for BPCR? Or, are you the nice gentleman whith whom I've corresponded over on the Star members site? Or, none of the above?

Star site guy.

[Chargar]

Being a fan of 311467, I was going to take a run at that mold. I was going to pull out all stops and pay whatever it took. I was willing to go to $200.00. Heck,I had never paid more than $90.00 for a mold in my life. I thought I was a lead pipe cinch to get it at $200.00. Yea..right.. dream on fool!

Ebay prices have taken a sharp rise in the last few month. It is not just molds, but other things items as well. Today, I noticed an older long slide Lyman 48 for the Springfield reaching close to $300.00.

It would seem the days of getting bargins on Ebay are just about over. Oh well I made hay while the sun shined. Now to wait a couple of years and start selling.

[MT Gianni]

[QUOTE=Chargar
It would seem the days of getting bargins on Ebay are just about over. Oh well I made hay while the sun shined. Now to wait a couple of years and start selling.[/QUOTE]

I bought a 2 cavity 429421 in good shape last week just because it was under $20. I watched a 358439 with handles go for under $50 in March. Deals are still out there especially for people who don't know how to package what they have or what they have. See the ones like "someone defaced this mold by drilling a hole in the middle." Gianni.